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PUBG Momentarily Tops CS:GO in Concurrent Players on Steam

PLAYERUNKNOWN'S BATTLEGROUNDS, the runaway Early Access hit, is nipping at the heels of some PC gaming juggernauts. 

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You sit in the distressed cargo plane waiting for the right moment. To your left, a copper-haired lady in a Where’s Waldo? shirt and steampunk glasses sits motionless. Across the aisle, you spot a twenty-something guy in nothing but his underwear and some blue high tops. It’s you and 99 other weirdos on this plane, all waiting to dive out onto a remote island and murder each other for a plate of chicken. You land on the island and feel helplessly alone against the swarms of folks waiting to take you out. There is no need to feel like you are alone, though, because 230,000 other people are taking the same plane ride as you in this exact moment.

In a tweet from PlayerUnknown himself early Sunday morning, it has been revealed that 230,000+ concurrent players were on the island of death. For a short time, the concurrent player count of PlayerUnknown’s Battlegrounds (PUBG) eclipsed that of Counter-Strike: Global Offensive. In case you’ve been in a coma since seeing Armageddon in theaters, Counter-Strike (in its various incarnations) has been one of the most played PC games of all time. After Valve’s other gargantuan hit, Dota 2, CS:GO is typically the most played game on Steam. According to Steam Spy, CS:GO has sold around 30 million copies. It is also one of the biggest eSports in the world. For a game like PUBG to achieve a milestone of this magnitude so soon after launching onto Steam Early Access back in March is very impressive.

PlayerUnknown’s Battlegrounds is unquestionably the runaway hit of early 2017 and is consistently one of the most watched games on Twitch. A simple premise, exciting gameplay, and a seemingly infinite number of amazing moments has made PUBG one of the most watchable PC games ever made. The rapid rise of PUBG has raised many eyes around the industry. At this year’s E3 show in June, Microsoft revealed that PUBG would be coming exclusively to the Xbox One consoles. As popular as it already is on PCs, expect the concurrent player count to continue rising once PUBG releases on Microsoft’s console.

 

Contributing Tech Editor

From The Chatty

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    July 10, 2017 8:45 AM

    Chris Jarrard posted a new article, PUBG Momentarily Tops CS:GO in Concurrent Players on Steam

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      July 10, 2017 8:51 AM

      That's impressive

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      July 10, 2017 8:56 AM

      Three of the top 10 are survival genre. Meh.

      What I worry about are how decent games seem to have trouble keeping sizeable enough populations lately...and don't seem to have a good solution for it.

      Took me forever to find a Frontlines server in BF1 yesterday, that game is peaking around 24k and down to 9k after Europe goes to bed. The DLC is barely playable in the U.S. because of this. This from a game that Shack, among others, was raving about on release.

      The lifespan of game populations seems to be getting shorter and shorter. I no more neither by PUBG's popularity than I was by Pokeman' GO's. It does make me wonder about the health of MP gaming on PC, but we have probably always been controlled by these popularity swings. It just didn't look so drastic because there were fewer gamers and fewer games.

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        July 10, 2017 8:58 AM

        *no more impressed

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        July 10, 2017 9:13 AM

        ....what?

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          July 10, 2017 9:19 AM

          Yeah lots of typos. Fundamental point, and I have been piled on this bringing it up for many games, is that the shifting popularity trends don't seem to be able to support PC multiplayer games adequately unless they are in the uppermost tier or F2P. I think this is a problem.

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            July 10, 2017 9:37 AM

            People constantly shift what they play, because thats the nature of things. People get tired of playing the same shit so they try what is new and good. Then they might go back to the old shit if it's still good and has updates and doesn't fragment it's player base ..like CSGO.

            Also didn't you make some kind of prediction a few months ago that PUBG would start dying out by now?

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              July 10, 2017 9:42 AM

              No. I don't think so. I called it a fad and that pissed people off. But, BF1 was clearly a fad around here too.

              People need to stop being insulted by that. Rocket League is a stronger fad that has only lost about 30k of its player base. CS:GO was a fad during 2016, I assume that was during the height of the gambling stuff that made it a streamer craze?

              These things come and go. People need to stop seeing it as an assessment of a game's quality.

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                July 10, 2017 9:43 AM

                haha csgo was a fad in 2016??????

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                  July 10, 2017 9:45 AM

                  If you are calling csgo a fad then I guess mario brothers is a fad too

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                    July 10, 2017 9:48 AM

                    Which Mario Brothers? Certainly it was.

                    Fad - a practice or interest followed for a time with exaggerated zeal

                    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fad

                    Even if it was quality, did it deserve a movie? Probably not. It was a temporary craze, like most cultural media things.

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                      July 10, 2017 9:53 AM

                      Every game in the main Mario series has been absurdly successful. You have absolutely no clue what a fad is.

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                        July 10, 2017 9:55 AM

                        http://nintendo.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Mario_games

                        Successful, but not on the same levels as their peers.

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                          July 10, 2017 9:57 AM

                          as a franchise, mario brothers is not a fad. cmon man.

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                            July 10, 2017 9:58 AM

                            you're just being a contrarian to be a contrarian

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                            July 10, 2017 10:00 AM

                            I said game, not franchise. It is like saying Star Wars was never a fad because it is a lasting IP.

                            We all know that's not true because it drove a temprorary craze. It has been revived several times, but it is a fad.

                            Stop obsessing over this word. It just means a temporary surge in popularity.

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                              July 10, 2017 10:02 AM

                              game or franchise either way neither is a fad when it comes to mario brothers. same with counter-strike. they have a large fan base consistently buying the games when they come out, and they keep playing.

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                              July 10, 2017 10:11 AM

                              Oh wow, I was kidding below but you actually believe Star Wars is a fad.

                              These are evergreen properties. You are trying to twist the English language to suit your limited argument and you are embarrassing yourself.

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                              July 10, 2017 12:45 PM

                              Dude.

                              Fad:

                              an intense and widely shared enthusiasm for something, especially one that is short-lived and without basis in the object's qualities; a craze.


                              Star Wars has had, not only a vociferous following for over 40 fucking years (not short lived at all), but also the love for the franchise is based directly in the quality of the story. Now you can argue the story wasn't as awesome as some feel it is. By all means. But to try and shoehorn SW into "fad"? That's just flat out disingenuous.

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                                July 10, 2017 12:50 PM

                                When every kid in school had a star wars lunchbox. That's the fad time. I don't dispute its staying power over 40 years and they way they have transformed it. That being said, it stayed strong despite a lack of quality in notable places.

                                The Christmas special, the Ewok adventures, etc. There were some attempts to cash in on the initial fad that misfired.

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                                  July 10, 2017 12:52 PM

                                  I think you are trying to redifine "Fad". And it's making you look less than unbiased.

                                  That's like saying Minecraft is just a fad.

                                  Give your head a shake. Surges in popularity is not a fad, if the whatever in question has the staying power that Star Wars, Star Trek, Minecraft, WoW etc all have.

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                                    July 10, 2017 12:55 PM

                                    There are moments for all those things when they became cultural giants, then tapered off immensely.

                                    WoW was so huge that there was a time you could basically assume any gamer you were talking to played. You cannot do that today even if it is still the biggest MMO population. It brought about the MMO fad.

                                    I think you guys narrow fad too much. You seem to think that unless it completely fades to nothing a really popular cultural moment can't be a fad.

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                                      July 10, 2017 12:59 PM

                                      But... It's the litteral fucking definition. I just fucking posted it for you too.

                                      SHORT LIVED.

                                      Star Wars, Mario, WoW are all in the DECADES of popularity. That becomes a cultural reality and is no longer anything even close to resembling a "Fad". It's a narrow definition, ergo we see the word fad and it means shortlived super popular. But the things you keep bringing up are the counter to the definition.


                                      In short, you are using the wrong term, and as such OF COURSE we all take umbrage.

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                                        July 10, 2017 1:02 PM

                                        The enthusiasm is short lived. That's what your definition is saying, not that the interest is short lived.

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                                        July 10, 2017 1:02 PM

                                        I posted two definitions without short lived.

                                        https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fad

                                        "for a time"

                                        http://www.dictionary.com/browse/fad

                                        "temporary"

                                        http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/fad

                                        "usually does not stay popular for very long"

                                        https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/fad

                                        "An intense and widely shared enthusiasm for something, especially one that is short-lived; a craze."

                                        You guys seem to think that last one that says "especially" is the only definition. It says especially, not exclusively.

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                                          July 10, 2017 1:06 PM

                                          But EVERY definition has that. Sure the phrasing is different, but even you must see "for a time", "temporary" blah blah all mean that the popularity is a small time thing. Star Wars is still after 40 years very popular. Go to any comic con and argue different. You can't.

                                          The same for WoW, Minecraft, Star Trek et al. They have maintained a base level of huge popularity with massive surges every so often.

                                          I reject your stance re:Fad. And no amount of bickering back and forth will change either of our minds onviously.

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                                            July 10, 2017 1:08 PM

                                            You just shifted the context. Fad among comic con goers is not a mainstream fad, which is the context in which I used it.

                                            Also, I will direct you here.

                                            http://www.shacknews.com/chatty?id=36502474

                                            I don't actually care about the word fad. It really triggers people here. Does it hurt everyone's street cred too much to admit they were ever part of a fad?

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                                          July 10, 2017 1:29 PM

                                          Ask anyone here for a canonical example of a fad as a kid. You'll get things like Pogs and Tomagachi. Things that had a sudden rush of popularity and then disappeared almost entirely. No one uses fad to describe the apex of an otherwise immensely popular thing with long running success. This is one of your more ridiculous angles of attack on popular games.

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                                            July 10, 2017 4:17 PM

                                            The genuine fads of my youth:

                                            Hypercolor shirts
                                            Reebok Pumps
                                            Slap bracelets
                                            Pogo Balls and Skip-Its
                                            Yo-yos (that one always comes back in cycles tho)

                                            POGs and Tamogochis were after me, I did see younger siblings of some friends all into that shit tho.

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                                            July 10, 2017 5:34 PM

                                            Or the macarena.

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                          July 10, 2017 10:00 AM

                          The three games after the first were recent and came out way after the movie. A Nintendo theme park is currently being built. Again, you're making up some super specific definition of the word after being called out on whatever bullshit opinion you're trying to make, like you do in all of these threads.

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                            July 10, 2017 10:05 AM

                            Okay, one dictionary was not good enough.

                            Maybe you'll like this one better.

                            a style or activity that suddenly becomes popular but which usually does not stay popular for very long.

                            http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/fad

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                              July 10, 2017 10:09 AM

                              Star Wars is a fad.

                              So is Disney.

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                                July 10, 2017 10:16 AM

                                Disney is quite a non-sequitur there isn't it?

                                I said Star Wars was a fad. Not the IP, but it clearly had a couple huge moments when it became a cultural phenomena. Those subsided. Star Wars never went away, but the fad moments of explosive popularity did.

                                Then it did it again. And it had little to do with quality right? Or did the cultural takeover for the prequels exist because of the quality?

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                                  July 10, 2017 10:18 AM

                                  I was being sarcastic, missed the post where you said and actually meant it.

                                  These are evergreen properties, they go beyond being a flash in the pan fad.

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                                    July 10, 2017 10:19 AM

                                    Fine. I'll agree with you there.

                                    Is PUBG an evergreen property?

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                                      July 10, 2017 10:37 AM

                                      Way too soon to tell but I believe it'll be here to stay, like Rocket League, Warframe, Dota 2, CSGO, etc. We'll see.

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                                        July 10, 2017 10:41 AM

                                        Eh. I don't know if DOTA 2 is here to stay. I guess it is because it is a valve property and even when TF2 isn't popular it still has crazy numbers.

                                        I think MOBA is a bit of a craze that will fade like MMO, RTS, arena FPS, etc. All still exist obviously, but the player counts and titles in the genre are pretty declined.

                                        For example, Starcraft would meet what you are describing as "evergreen property", but I don't think anyone expected it to hit it as big culturally and in market share with Starcraft 2 as it did with Starcraft. Starcraft and its sequels definitely had a huge moment in RTS gaming which is much less popular now.

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                                          July 10, 2017 10:42 AM

                                          dota 2 was a fad when it left beta for a month in 2014

                                          am i doing this right

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                                    July 10, 2017 10:55 AM

                                    What do you mean by evergreen? I've never heard that word used before and I'm not 100% sure based on urban dictionary.

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                                      July 10, 2017 11:05 AM

                                      "Evergreen" refers to a game or series that maintains consistent sales and popularity for very long periods of time beyond the standard initial release spike. The same goes for things like classic Disney films, Star Wars, etc.

                                      Super Mario Bros, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, and Pokemon are the most evergreen of the evergreen properties, 18-30+ years for them and sales that go for years per individual title (ie - Mario Kart 7 continued to sell millions of copies per year even after it had already been out for four years).

                                      Modern evergreens are games like CSGO, Rocket League, Dota 2, Diablo 3, Witcher 3, Grand Theft Auto V, Skyrim (coming to a smartphone near you in 2023), etc.

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                                        July 10, 2017 11:07 AM

                                        Interesting. It just seems like a term that became popular in the last six months so it caught me off guard. Thanks!

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                          July 10, 2017 5:36 PM

                          High five! You Google something again!

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                July 10, 2017 9:44 AM

                Are there any popular videogames that aren't fads in your eye?

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                  July 10, 2017 9:46 AM

                  Depends when we are talking about. CS:GO is not a fad now, CS:GO was a fad in 2016 when it was peaking.

                  Is there anything about the quality of CS:GO that makes it not worthy of 850k players now compared to April 2016?

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                    July 10, 2017 9:55 AM

                    http://steamcharts.com/app/730#All

                    Those stats don't suggest that CS:GO was a "fad". It slowly gained popularity over the course of 3 years until it reached it's peak before going on the decline. It's not like the player base shot up 200% over the period of a few weeks.

                    The DOTA2 player base is also on a bit of a decline. I would never say that game was a fad simply because there was a small peak in player base compared to other months/years.

                    Not every game is a fad simply because the population doesn't increase year over year until the end of time. Some players will keep playing the same game for years on end while the vast majority will get burnt out at some point and move on to another game.

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                      July 10, 2017 9:56 AM

                      Emh. We're just arguing over the word fad here.

                      How about "experienced a brief surge in popularity not commensurate with any quality difference"?

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                        July 10, 2017 9:57 AM

                        what do you mean by a lack of "quality difference" and how are you quantifying that?

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                          July 10, 2017 10:06 AM

                          Well, did CS:GO get worse in the last year? As in, did it get less "fun" the Jarrard standard from the article or have less quality content? Did it changes its game mechanics?

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                            July 10, 2017 10:45 AM

                            The fact you are asking this question means you have no knowledge yourself and thus no basis for your claims. Continuing to spout out uneducated nonsense like that is why you get jumped on. Not because are using triggering words like "fad."

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                              July 10, 2017 10:48 AM

                              THEN EDUCATE ME

                              I asked. You have no logical high ground here. It is a forum. Discuss things.

                              I know Shack's specialty is actually driving people away and reducing the number of posts so it can stew in its elitism and parenting threads, but if you want to discuss gaming then maybe you should start actually discussing it.

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                                July 10, 2017 10:50 AM

                                lol no. If you are going to start a discussion then back it up with evidence. Don't toss some bullshit out there and then hide behind the defense of placing the burden on others to disprove it. It's your mo and to goddamn obnoxious.

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                                July 10, 2017 10:50 AM

                                Education is a fad.

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                                  July 10, 2017 10:52 AM

                                  Also mario brothers will soon be an extinct fad because Nintendo won't be able to keep up with the cheaters, and changes to meta, and also the lack of twitch streamers.

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                                    July 10, 2017 10:54 AM

                                    However Battleborne and Titanfall 1 will both see their player counts sky rocket thanks to a sudden surge in paid twitch streamers.

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                                July 10, 2017 10:50 AM

                                Maybe this forum isn't for you.

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                                  July 10, 2017 10:51 AM

                                  Hey look. Captain civility himself.

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                                    July 10, 2017 10:52 AM

                                    This civility thing doesn't work out like you think it does. You are the least civil person in these threads.

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                                      July 10, 2017 10:56 AM

                                      Who said it works? It isn't for you. It is for me. I got into trouble getting into shouting matches.

                                      Now when you and others show up to troll me, I have something I say instead.

                                      As long as Shack keeps tolerating people who only show up to insult in a thread like you just did, I will keep my civility response.

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                                        July 10, 2017 10:58 AM

                                        http://replygif.net/i/101.gif

                                        Yea. We're trolling you. You got it. Not a single person agrees with you, but we're trolling you. The mental gymnastics at work here is so good I can't help myself to respond because I want to see it in action. It's truly a work of art. Bravo sir. Bravo.

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                                        July 10, 2017 11:03 AM

                                        Part of civility is admitting you are wrong which you seem incapable of. Instead you showed up in this thread trying to call it a fad even though all evidence is to the contrary. We are frustrated by this.

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                                          July 10, 2017 11:06 AM

                                          All evidence isn't to the contrary. And I admitted I was wrong about a couple things in the thread (namely Rocket League being a poor example and me misinterpreting those numbers). I conceded points to Serpico as well just for the sake of argument.

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                                            July 10, 2017 11:09 AM

                                            The main thing you aren't admitting is that PUBG isn't a fad in the sense that other games are generally called fads (no mans sky' ,brink, hellgate london, fallout shelter, Pokémon GO maybe)

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                                              July 10, 2017 11:12 AM

                                              Brink wasn't a fad because I don't think it ever did well enough to be popular.

                                              You are putting games that failed because they didn't live up to their hype in the fad category. That doesn't line up with fads. As I argued, there has to be a critical mass of quality reached.

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                                                July 10, 2017 11:14 AM

                                                Brink was all people talked about around here for a while, then it died out within a couple months. That is a textbook fad.

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                                                  July 10, 2017 11:16 AM

                                                  So if that is a fad, then PUBG is definitely not that. You're going to have to use a different term. I would suggest terms like "great game", "exciting", "well supported", "unique", and "better than titanfall"

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                                                  July 10, 2017 11:17 AM

                                                  I wasn't around Shack then much so yeah that sounds like a Shack fad. I didn’t see that much attention to it in the general gaming world.

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                                                    July 10, 2017 11:20 AM

                                                    The general PC gaming world was paying attention to it too.

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                                                        July 10, 2017 11:35 AM

                                                        Show me the PC only charts for that month it was released

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                                                          July 10, 2017 11:40 AM

                                                          http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2011/06/la-noire-and-brink-top-may-video-game-sales/1#.WWPJn4jyvDc

                                                          But you are seriously reducing it to a month. It released outside the normal window too so I guess you got your 6 month fad because it 6 months before anything good launched?

                                                          Also, I think arguing that it had a larger gaming culture presence than Portal 2 may be a bit off.

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                                                            July 10, 2017 11:41 AM

                                                            You forgot to admit you're wrong

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                                                              July 10, 2017 11:43 AM

                                                              Where is the wrong part? You asked for information. I provided it without makinng a huge fuss like the people I asked to tell me about their CS:GO experience.

                                                              The information did not show it was a fad. At best it showed it was decently successful in sales during a relatively quite period in the game release cycle. Not really evidence of a fad.

                                                              Feel free to actually argue your point if you want me to concede more than I already have: that it was a fad on shacknews.

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                                                                July 10, 2017 11:55 AM

                                                                You said "not really" when I said people were paying attention to it in the general gaming world, and provided some skewed evidence that included Wii games.

                                                                Then you saw the data showing it was #2 than month, without conceding that your "not really" statement was wrong,

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                                                                  July 10, 2017 11:58 AM

                                                                  The stats I provided still had Wii titles.

                                                                  But let's talk about that fad that was Lego Pirates of the Caribbean: The Video Game.

                                                                  People just wouldn't shut up about that game. That's all they would play.

                                                                  And LA Noire? People were like, fine I'll stop playing this when BF3 comes out, but NO SOONER.

                                                                  /s

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                                                                    July 10, 2017 12:20 PM

                                                                    Regardless it was #2 that month! How is that NOT being paid attention to?

                                                                    You were wrong

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                        July 10, 2017 10:04 AM

                        a fad is when a game is popular for an extremely brief period of time for any reason whatsoever, and then dies out quickly. so an example would be no mans sky, or brink, or hellgate london.

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                          July 10, 2017 10:57 AM

                          To be fair the actual definition of fad gives it significant leeway to be just about anything popular for a period of time.

                          However, I agree with you that when someone is generally referring to a fad they mean something was very popular for whatever reason for a short period of time.

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                        July 10, 2017 10:08 AM

                        Are you aware of the changes Valve made to CS:GO over the past 4 years? If not then you have no idea if there was a difference in the quality of gameplay.

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                          July 10, 2017 10:13 AM

                          Then tell me. I asked. Did it get worse?

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                            July 10, 2017 10:30 AM

                            It's had it's ups and downs over the years but I'm not going to bother doing an analysis on each patch and how they may or may not have affected the player base.

                            Either way you're incorrectly using the word 'fad' in an attempt to denigrate a game that you don't think deserves its success.

                            This is Overwatch all over again. For some reason you really get pissy when a game you don't think you'd like becomes wildly successful.

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                              July 10, 2017 10:35 AM

                              Read how I used it. I called BF1 a fad as well.

                              http://www.shacknews.com/chatty?id=36502413

                              It is apparently a trigger word for some shackers.

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                                July 10, 2017 10:49 AM

                                In either event, you're ignoring my comment about how you try to downplay a video game's success if it doesn't interest you. I have no interest in buying PUBG or Overwatch but you don't see me redefining words in an attempt to shit on them.

                                Not every game that becomes popular is going to interest you. Trying to come up with excuses for why these games shouldn't be as popular as they are is a giant waste of time.

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                                  July 10, 2017 10:53 AM

                                  What is this thread then? Just a marketing fluff piece?

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                                    July 10, 2017 10:56 AM

                                    Keep ignoring my point. Why do you care if this game is popular or not? Why do you get irritated when you see people enjoying something you don't like?

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                                      July 10, 2017 10:58 AM

                                      The whole point of this discussion is its popularity. That is the OP.

                                      I am not getting irritated with people enjoying something. I get irritated with them marketing it and buying the fallacy that it is so popular because it is so much better than everything.

                                      Can you imagine how annoyed people would be with articles pointing out tht DOTA 2 has once again topped all the Steam charts and is clearly the best game out there?

                                      It isn't. We all know that.

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                                        July 10, 2017 11:00 AM

                                        I really hate that I can't enjoy my second favorite restaurant because it's not the best.

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                                        July 10, 2017 11:01 AM

                                        No one is buying into thinking it's better than "everything".. so you're wrong here.

                                        we do know from *personal experience* that the game is better than *alot* of other multiplayer games... and that is not a fallacy.

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                                          July 10, 2017 11:04 AM

                                          Right, but that is the crux of my position. DOTA 2 may be better than a lot of MP experiences. But, I have no played LoL or HotS. I never played HoN or DOTA 1. I have literally never played another MOBA.

                                          I play this one because I liked watching Ti3 and some of my friends played it. That's it. That doesn't actually speak to quality, but a lot of things on the periphery.

                                          Quality is part of it certainly, but I won't be making any arguments about DOTA being good or bad based on its position in the charts.

                                          Starting to see why it doesn't matter if I played it?

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                                            July 10, 2017 11:07 AM

                                            You keep playing it because it's fun, not only because it's new or others are doing it. Hence it's not a fad. The same is true for PUBG. Do you understand now?

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                                              July 10, 2017 11:10 AM

                                              I have over 1000 hours in DOTA over several years. I don't always play because it is fun. I played an extra two hours yesterday because my buddy wanted to even though I was pretty miserable from my games.

                                              Not really a good example.

                                              PUBG may eventually be that way. We shall see. I doubt it. I still think DOTA will be coming down in popularity soon enough too.

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                                                July 10, 2017 11:12 AM

                                                1000 hours in the game and you still think it's a fad? Ok we are done? What is your threshold? 50,000 hours?

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                                                  July 10, 2017 11:16 AM

                                                  What matters is if it maintains the level of popularity it has now.

                                                  That can be deceptive too. Battlefield as a franchise may not be a fad, but the success it enjoyed from BC2-BF4 may be tied to a modern military FPS fad. Not tht those games were qualitatively better than the other MP shooters at the time or DICE's other games outside that theme.

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                                                    July 10, 2017 11:18 AM

                                                    if a steam game stays near the top of charts more than 6 months and maintains it's numbers during that period with no signs of major slowdown, it's not a fad. That's my definition and the one the rest of the world agrees with. And looking at PUBG it has shown no signs of slowdown it's only increasing.

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                                                    July 10, 2017 11:20 AM

                                                    since a game's object is to be played, by definition, a game that is played consistently more, and by more people, and over a longer period of time, is a better game.

                                                    BF2 and BF3 weren't fads, they were played for a long time. they were better than other games out there.

                                                    bf1 was played for a couple of months. it was not as good as it needed to be to compete. same with battleborn or Evolve. Quality is not measured in a vacuum, or based on some forum sperglord's weird bulletpoints. Quality is relative to the market, to other available games.

                                                    if 250k people consistently decide to play a game every day, the game's good. your opinion (and mine) are irrelevant.

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                                                      July 10, 2017 11:22 AM

                                                      The DOTA 2 is the best game on Steam by your argument.

                                                      That seems silly.

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                                                        July 10, 2017 11:41 AM

                                                        of all the games on steam who want to be played by everyone, daily, forever, yes.

                                                        it's dwarfed by LoL or Minecraft though.

                                                        everything is relative. every game has a different goal. some games are one and done. that's fine too.

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                                            July 10, 2017 11:17 AM

                                            you gotta stop talking like game quality, production execution and everything is projected onto the game by some sort of collective desire for a game to have success.

                                            Some games are better, or do something specifically right, or hit some nerve, and compel people to play hem over and over again. This is upon the game itself, nto some sort of mass hysteria voodoo.

                                            If it were all only about HYPE, no one would still be playing ARK or PAYDAY 2, yet they are consistently in the steam top 10 most played games. Those games might not speak to you personally (or to me, that is) but you just gotta stop talking like no game has ever any merit, this shit's annoying.

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                                              July 10, 2017 11:20 AM

                                              There are differences. But don't you see how it is insulting to insinuate those are the only differences?

                                              http://steamcharts.com/app/361420

                                              Go ahead. Apply the popularity meritocracy argument. I don't think that is fair at all to the game. Most developers would love to have their game reach fad status, but it can still be really high quality even if it doesn't.

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                                                July 10, 2017 11:23 AM

                                                insulting?

                                                astroneer's good. it probably would want to be played by 250k people daily. it doesn't tap in something popular enough to reach that massive audience. That's fine!

                                                Good news, not every game NEEDS to hit that crazy milestone. Most game studios can survive on middling success, and that's good.

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                                                  July 10, 2017 11:25 AM

                                                  But that detaches it from "quality."

                                                  As you just said "tap into something popular enough."

                                                  That's what I am arguing. Tapping into something popular enough isn't a quality thing, so stop arguing like it is. It is interesting what is popular enough. Games that do that should be examined.

                                                  But, stopping the analysis at because it is more fun than other games or because it is better than other games is misleading and just part of the marketing really.

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                                                    July 10, 2017 11:31 AM

                                                    PUBG isn't a fad

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                                                    July 10, 2017 11:39 AM

                                                    pubg is an online competitive military shooter. How more mainstream can you get? Easy to discover. But a new military shooter has to be even BETTER to stay significant.

                                                    And there’s no question that in this market of military shooter milieu it's standing out, and it's been standing out since early march, I think. Which is hard to do.

                                                    You're the one who's fighting literally everyone on some weird internet troll logic and definition of quality about some game you never played....

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                  July 10, 2017 5:25 PM

                  BattleBorn!

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                July 10, 2017 9:49 AM

                http://www.shacknews.com/chatty?id=36278876#item_36278876
                http://www.shacknews.com/chatty?id=36278759#item_36278759

                you said you would check after summer and/or in 6 months to see how its numbers are doing. i can assure you its numbers will be fine.

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                  July 10, 2017 9:53 AM

                  Okay. Not exactly predicting it would be failing, but down from its peak numbers.

                  I would say 20-30% drop off would be expected, just guessing. It seems unlikely to fall off as fast as Fallout 4 (shed 50% in a month around the holidays).

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                    July 10, 2017 9:55 AM

                    you made some other ridiculous claims as well
                    "No. It is another DayZ.

                    Flash in the pan that won't survive when the hackers and bugs take over. When the meta game outstrips the game and they can't catch up with it.
                    "

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                      July 10, 2017 9:58 AM

                      Could still happen.

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                        July 10, 2017 10:00 AM

                        if it was flash in the pan then it would have died out 1 month after being released. flash in the pan can not be used to describe this game

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                          July 10, 2017 10:03 AM

                          "The Earth blows up, killing all players of PUBG"

                          TraptNSuit: "See, people only played it for 6 billion years but they don't anymore. A flash in the pan."

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                            July 10, 2017 10:07 AM

                            i think we need to dig up a video of a literal flash in a pan so that he can have a frame of reference.

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                              July 10, 2017 10:09 AM

                              here TraptNSuit: https://youtu.be/G2vcHyuJlPM?t=1m44s

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                                July 10, 2017 10:41 AM

                                this flame sure went out quickly!

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                                  July 10, 2017 10:45 AM

                                  it didn't have enough twitch streamers

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                                    July 10, 2017 11:03 AM

                                    but twitch streamers just stream this flame because twitch streamers stream this flame! there are no intrinsic qualities to this flame. quality is the projection of our desires for the flame to be streamed unto that same flame.

                                    fad.

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                    July 10, 2017 9:55 AM

                    ... Fallout 4? what?

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                      July 10, 2017 1:40 PM

                      classic traptnsuit smoke bomb

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                          July 10, 2017 1:47 PM

                          woah weird a singleplayer game where the playerbase drops off after release. Almost like it by design has a limited set of content with limited replayability.

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                            July 10, 2017 1:50 PM

                            It's the third top concurrent player stat on Steam.

                            So if you are going to make an argument about those numbers = quality you should probably be able to address it and why it is so much higher than so many others.

                            Otherwise, this OP story is pretty meaningless without context to what those numbers mean. It implies that the higher the number the higher the quality.

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                              July 10, 2017 1:57 PM

                              no it quite literally doesn't doesn't imply anything, it states a straightforward fact that PUGB was the top played game on Steam for a period, dethroning the previous most popular game. This is an interesting data point about what people enjoy.

                              The only person attempting to derive the implied formula for quality from sales over time per person per pixel by server count modulo monthly drop off minus sales price plus post count is you.

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                                July 10, 2017 1:59 PM

                                Hmmm. It did. Rereading it there seems to be a sentence missing that I had responded too about it being "fun."

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                                  July 10, 2017 2:02 PM

                                  Obviously hundreds of thousands of people aren't playing a game for months on end because it's fun. Obviously it's a fad. Poor sheeple. Show them the light. If you just post enough eventually you'll get through to them and they'll realize how stupid they are for not being able to realize they're actually horrifically bored of these games and succumbing entirely to hype and PR in an endless campaign of advertising from influencers. Thankfully you have the intellect to rise above it and teach the plebians the errors of their ways and how to cut through the hype find the truly good games.

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                                    July 10, 2017 2:04 PM

                                    Never said anything like that in this thread. What kicked off all of this was me noting how the hype had been around BF1 shortly before (I bought it due to the hype) and now it is troubling trying to find games of that.

                                    People are deeply offended that I may have derided their precious game by suggesting it was something other that its pure fun inducing qualities that make them play it over the last game they raved about.

                                    I am not even talking about a game I champion. Just one that I followed the previous herd mentality on and bought despite my reservations.

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                                      July 10, 2017 2:07 PM

                                      What kicked the thread off was you starting your usual crusade about hype and quality vs popularity.

                                      Yes people find it extremely condescending when you continually show up to tell them they're too stupid to realize they're actually just playing a game due to hype instead of their own ability to evaluate whether they're having more or less fun than something else they could be doing. I said these same words to you in the last PUBG thread you went on this crusade too.

                                      That everyone keeps giving you the same feedback on this crusade should clue you into something. Either everyone is stupid and wrong or you are. Which is more likely?

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                                        July 10, 2017 2:09 PM

                                        That's what the OP is about. Were people just supposed to gush in it about how amazing steam stats are and how PUBG is our gaming messiah?

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                                          July 10, 2017 2:12 PM

                                          your logic skills are reading comprehension are as high as your mmr

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                                          July 10, 2017 2:15 PM

                                          no that's not what the OP was about at all, which is why you're the only one making this dumb argument (again) and everyone else is telling you that this is some stupid shit (again)

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                                            July 10, 2017 2:18 PM

                                            Right, the OP was reposting a developer's social media remark about how incredibly popular their game is.

                                            So it is just marketing not worth discussing then?

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                                              July 10, 2017 2:19 PM

                                              that you think the only possible point of discussion from this was 'look at all these stupid people who don't understand what's truly fun' says everything about why we're here

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                                                July 10, 2017 2:22 PM

                                                Sorry. Back to, how do we pronounce PUBG then? No discussion of the steam numbers.

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                                                  July 10, 2017 2:24 PM

                                                  We could have a discussion about what has made the game so popular. What elements of its design are so good that it's dethroned something like Counterstrike? But instead you wanted to have a discussion about how all its players are stupid (again). Turns out they weren't too interested in that discussion with you. The why should be obvious.

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                July 10, 2017 10:05 AM

                rocket league seems an odd one to single out - the steam-centric stats i can google up mostly have it around 40-60k for the last two years straight.

                it never really hit top of the charts, but it hasn't really fallen off either.

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                  July 10, 2017 10:10 AM

                  I will admit a free weekend threw me off on that one. Rocket League is surprsingly steady, it has still dropped around 20%, but it would seem to be a good counter argument.

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                July 10, 2017 12:48 PM

                Rocket League consistently opens itself up to more platforms, and right now there are almost 300,000 people on RL. The game continues to grow. Steam is far from the majority of its playerbase and it isn't a neutral measurement, so going from Steam data alone is going to really skew a measure of interest in it.

                I'd bet RL's dip in February 2016, for instance, is largely due to people moving from Steam to Xbox to play with friends who just got the game rather than the game actually losing players.

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                  July 10, 2017 12:51 PM

                  Fair enough. That was a poor pick. With its competitive scene actually taking hold it probably has legs too.

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                July 10, 2017 1:46 PM

                Pubg has been a fad since Arma2. Easily a 5 or 6 year fad.

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            July 10, 2017 9:38 AM

            No, your fundamental point is a game that you don't like, and have never played, is doing really really well.

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              July 10, 2017 9:49 AM

              Seriously. Every time PUBG is mentioned, he shows up to shit on it despite it having both financial and critical success.

              But for some reason he shows up anyway to complain about the game because Twitch is apparently the only reason it's successful and it doesn't actually deserve any of it.

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              July 10, 2017 9:50 AM

              It really really isn't.

              People need to stop getting upset because they think I am putting down their game.

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                July 10, 2017 10:30 AM

                It really really is. Your post indicated you are not a fan of "survival" games. You responded with "meh"

                You then started going on again about popularity swings in games... implicitly grouping PUBG in that discussion... which means you still think of it being a temporary fad... which has now been proven 100% false and wrong yet you won't admit how wrong you are.

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                  July 10, 2017 10:34 AM

                  which has now been proven 100% false and wrong

                  Hold your hawses.

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamagotchi

                  Was a fad, sold more, lasted longer.

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                    July 10, 2017 10:43 AM

                    I think we have to establish the period of time that we are referring to when calling something a fad

                    I think the example you just posted the Tamagotchi being called a fad ,whenever it's been popular for many years (5 or so?) ,which might seem like a small period but onlywhen looking back over several decades in the past...


                    but whenever were talking about present games.... over the span of maybe a year or two...which is what we typically assume the period of time is when discussing the performance of a game on this website ....then I think a fad would be something that is popular for probably around six months or less ...however battlegrounds is clearly on a trajectory to be popular for more than six months.

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                      July 10, 2017 10:50 AM

                      six months or less ..

                      Which comes to my point of social media crazes compressing the time frames of popularity. You are agreeing with me there.

                      That being said, we don't have a threshold for what qualifies as being popular enough to have entered fad territory. Pogs existed in the 1920s, they were a fad in the 1990s.

                      If all we are doing is fighting over the definition of this word though, I think we need to move on. You and I coming up with arbitrary thresholds is pretty irrelevant.

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                        July 10, 2017 10:57 AM

                        Stop talking about tamagotchis and pogs. We are talking about modern video games

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                  July 10, 2017 10:35 AM

                  Youre so desperate to avoid appearing wrong you are now acting like you don't know what the word fan means. Is English your second language?

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        July 10, 2017 9:15 AM

        Well, you're consistent, at least, I'll give you that.

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        July 10, 2017 9:27 AM

        BF1 was never gonna keep a huge player population because most of the early playerbase knew that the impending DLC would split the community in half, just like the previous 2 BF games. I had a blast with the first few weeks of BF1, but I knew what was coming. The publishers are doing this to themselves.

        You should be impressed by PUBG's rise. Unlike BF1, it's playerbase continues to rise because it provides players something they aren't getting from other shooters. It is much easier for Twitch viewers to follow than most other competitive FPS games. Unlike BF1, you can jump into PUBG and be sure that you won't be stuck having a miserable 45-minute match because you were unlucky enough to be stuck on a bad team.

        The upswing in popularity for PUBG is because it is simply more fun. It doesn't have the multi-million dollar advertising push and a huge launch to drum up hype among players. Word of mouth and visibility on Youtube and Twitch are attracting the new players. The quality of the experience is what is keeping players engaged.

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          July 10, 2017 9:32 AM

          Unlike BF1, you can jump into PUBG and be sure that you won't be stuck having a miserable 45-minute match because you were unlucky enough to be stuck on a bad team.

          You could play BF1 Deathmatch then. Same concept. Stop making an effort in team games because your team will suck. Of course none of that applies to DOTA which is smacking all of these games around with population.

          Twitch is multimillion dollar marketing. It may not be centralized, but it is millions of dollars dedicated to getting gamers to see a game. PUBG may have found a way to get more streamers to play its game and make it go viral, but that doesn't mean it is beyond marketing. It just found a likely cheaper way to do it. That means we will see even more craven marketing practices trying to get streamers to play games so they don't die like Titanfall 2.

          "It's more fun" isn't analysis. If anything this article is just another ad for PUBG. Shack has a reason to report on things, but you turned a tweet from a developer into a "article" that put quite a spin on numbers without contextualizing the comparison. Instead, you repeated a comparison from the developer on social media.

          Why spend millions on marketing when the gaming media will do it for you?

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            July 10, 2017 9:37 AM

            The overall idea here is that once you reach critical mass, social media (twitch), gaming media, word of mouth, etc. will perpetuate the popularity of the game by doing your marketing for you. The trick is reaching that critical mass in the first place. Games seem to be really struggling with that, fads are hard to pin down for why they were in the right place at the right time.

            All that aside, even if this is a good mechanism and we have no trouble with it, the scope and effect of mass marketing due to social media appears to push population up in to such a small number of titles that high quality fun titles on pc have unsustainable populations.

            Due to how fast this mechanism works, we should expect to see this repeat within a year probably.

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              July 10, 2017 9:51 AM

              look at no mans sky. that had tons of media, word of mouth. and it definitely reached critical mass. but the core game wasnt good so it died out. that is a fad.

              PUBG is a good game at its core, and that is the reason why it has not died out and why its not a fad.

              i think you have been dodging the core argument which is whether this is a good game or not.

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                July 10, 2017 9:54 AM

                in other words you need to play it for yourself and then you will see that is a good game, and then you will know the true reason why its popular (because its good) and why it will continue to be popular (because its good).

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            July 10, 2017 9:42 AM

            Are you saying you think twitch streamers are more than 25% of the reason why PUBG is popular? Because it's not.. it's mostly word of mouth. Look at all the shackers here they play it because of people just talking about it. Also seeing people on your steam list playing it, and the fact that it has been top of the sales charts on steam.

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              July 10, 2017 9:44 AM

              The upswing in popularity for PUBG is because it is simply more fun. It doesn't have the multi-million dollar advertising push and a huge launch to drum up hype among players. Word of mouth and visibility on Youtube and Twitch are attracting the new players. The quality of the experience is what is keeping players engaged.

              Just because it is word of mouth doesn't make it more pure or something. I guess that means you are still a band that hasn't sold out or something, but this is the era of social media. Word of mouth can apply to a twitter post. Meh. It is self-perpetuating internet marketing after reaching critical mass.

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            July 10, 2017 9:47 AM

            Indeed. Who is this "Chris Jarrard" and how many dollars has bluehole paid him to produce this marketing "article" paraded before us as "gaming news"

            RESIST

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              July 10, 2017 9:49 AM

              I was not suggesting corruption.

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                July 10, 2017 9:51 AM

                I was. How else do you explain the meteoric rise of such an uninspired "game" without paying off game journos and twitch streamers?

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                  July 10, 2017 9:59 AM

                  The same way memes and narratives propagate across populations. It isn't nefarious. It is social species dynamics.

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                    July 10, 2017 10:25 AM

                    Are you suggesting memes can't be propagated nefariously?

                    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/a7/57/b8/a757b8c0569be3aef354923c717b1f99.jpg

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                      July 10, 2017 10:30 AM

                      They certainly can be. Doesn't mean they have to be or that the mechanism is nefarious.

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                        July 10, 2017 10:52 AM

                        Sure, they don't have to be, but in this case it's blatantly obvious.

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                          July 10, 2017 10:56 AM

                          I mean, I have kept a front page story at the top of chatty for a bit now. Clearly I am on the take. That just doesn't happen around here.

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                            July 10, 2017 11:09 AM

                            It doesn't have to be exclusively either or. The article can exist because of promotional considerations and you can be chiefly responsible for it's success/popularity organically without being "in on the take".

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                              July 10, 2017 11:14 AM

                              True, but the logical inferene saying the article must exist for those reasons is lacking.

                              It is just as plausible that the author really likes this game, noticed tweet, wrote up an article on it, ran it by the editors who thought it was sufficiently gaming news, and now it is here. It is free marketing, but innocently enough if that is how it happened.

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                                July 10, 2017 11:17 AM

                                It is just as plausible that the author really likes this game

                                I would argue that your explanation is far less plausible that someone really likes this steaming pile of garbage without being paid to say so.

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        July 10, 2017 9:59 AM

        The BF1 DLC is unplayable because EA insists on splitting the playerbase like they have since 1942. Battlefield is also bad and tired, has been for a very long time.

        You insist on referring to evergreen games (or what are going to be evergreen games, as I believe PUBG will be) as flash in the pan fads. Its weird.

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          July 10, 2017 10:03 AM

          The BF1 DLC is unplayable because EA insists on splitting the playerbase like they have since 1942.

          It is unplayable, like every game in the series for a decade and a half.

          What?

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            July 10, 2017 10:04 AM

            whats your question

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              July 10, 2017 10:10 AM

              Doesn't matter. Battlefield itself doesn't matter. People trying to find quality differences are making shit up because TF2 had all free DLC and that non-segmented base is smaller than just that on BF1 DLC right now.

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                July 10, 2017 10:16 AM

                Titanfall is not a popular franchise. You are conflating completely different things. Like, Battleborn is never going to catch on even if all content is free for perpetuity. People need to get on board with the game first.

                Battlefield is a popular franchise that segments its community and bleeds users over time due to how its DLC works. They start from a position of strength and popularity, something the Titanfall series never had.

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                  July 10, 2017 10:18 AM

                  Okay. Assuming that's true. Why is BF1 struggling more than BF3 or BF4 in that regard on PC if it is simply a matter of how it is segmented?

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                    July 10, 2017 10:27 AM

                    Because it is year 5 or 6 of what is essentially the same game (BF3 > BF4 > BF1) at $110 for the full experience each time. As good as the games are, fatigue sets in, especially for those who buy the full package.

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                      July 10, 2017 10:29 AM

                      I agree. But, that goes to show that it is not just quality that determines popularity. This shouldn't be a contentious issue. It is rather self evident.

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                        July 10, 2017 10:55 AM

                        Quality is one of the most important factors, but it has diminishing returns if it doesn't stay fresh.

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                          July 10, 2017 11:07 AM

                          Agree. I think that's basically the Activision business model. DICE has been guilty of it too lately.

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            July 10, 2017 10:08 AM

            Yes, absolutely. None of the expansions reached a significant number of players and only served to annoy groups where not everyone could participate. Its a consistent problem and an odd thing to compare about.

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          July 10, 2017 10:55 AM

          Their handling of DLC in BF1 is atrocious considering the times. It is finally with Battlefront 2 that they seem to get a handle on what the community is willing to tolerate.

          That said, I think the shooty gameplay in BF1 is really a class of its own, especially for DICE. It's just solid and there aren't that many shooters that have that level of quality, feedback and reliability to them. You can get a better, more unfiltered view on the gameplay by switching to TDM instead of the bigger 40-64 Conquest servers which favor randomness.

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        July 10, 2017 10:02 AM

        would you be worried if 3/10 were competitive mp shooters?

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          July 10, 2017 10:09 AM

          Maybe if they were all military shooters or something in the same theme. Like when zombie things were everything.

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            July 10, 2017 10:58 AM

            The odds of there being 3/10 of any given genre at any given time in the top ten in popularity is extremely high. It doesn't mean that other genres are dead or can't compete or anything. It just means that a type of game is occupying the zeitgeist. In this case it's a new genre that is exciting people. I can't imagine why that would be worrying.

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        July 10, 2017 10:11 AM

        oh yay this again

        don't you have better things to do in your life?

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          July 10, 2017 10:50 AM

          Apparently not.

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          July 10, 2017 10:59 AM

          People aren't playing the games he likes and it stresses him out for some reason. I don't think I've ever looked at or cared about population numbers for a game, and I've never noticed a difference.

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          July 10, 2017 2:33 PM

          Like doing lawyer work?

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        July 10, 2017 11:16 AM

        Don't you get tired of making up ways to try to convince people games aren't as good as everyone thinks?

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        July 10, 2017 11:32 AM

        I remember being all concerned that Counterstrike was going to ruin PC gaming by taking all the players (literally all of them, it felt like in 1999). I enjoyed CS for a few months but then wanted to move onto other mods and games, but it was hard cuz everyone was playing Counterstrike all day.

        And I was right, PC gaming was indeed ruined by Counterstrike almost 20 years ago.

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          July 10, 2017 11:41 AM

          Can we blame you for not stopping it?

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            July 10, 2017 11:42 AM

            Nope!

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              July 10, 2017 11:49 AM

              Out of curiosity. Was it that no one was playing other games as in you had trouble finding populated servers for games (if so, what games?) Or that your friends were all playing CS instead?

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                July 10, 2017 12:17 PM

                Populated servers for damn near anything else we're tough to find. You could still find a Team Fortress or Action Quake 2 game, but that was about it. In 1998 damn near any stupid game or mod would have players all day, and something featured on a major gaming website would be hopping, even if it was just for a week or two. Back then, gaming news was all about what's going on right now, like here's a link to the thing you're gonna do tonight. Not like now where it's always about some fame you won't get to play for months.

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                  July 10, 2017 12:23 PM

                  I had a time during undergrad, I wanna say around 2006 when I was really into HL2 mods and would play any of them for a couple night and could always find one or two servers. Of course that was all on the back of the valve mp browser and being in the U.S., but I feel like 1 server for a lot of mods is asking a lot in today's very crowded market. Matchmaking and AI like what Verdun does seems like the only option for the small guys.

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                    July 10, 2017 12:27 PM

                    The thing is, before Counterstrike, little mods like that would routinely have a dozen or two populated servers (and often a hundred or more empty ones).

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                      July 10, 2017 12:36 PM

                      People were always talking about what would be "the next counterstrike." I drank the kool-aid for a while. I thought it would be Dystopia Mod (I was hopelessly naïve then).

                      Many people think DayZ and I guess PUBG now are successors to the mod into industry dominating game. I think the market is too fickle for it to ever happen on that level again. DOTA 2 is the next CS. It was mod picked up by Valve and monetized by them the way no one else monetizes the game. That is what I think we see there. The Valve franchise effect, not anything about the games themselves. Blizzard does it too, they just stick to their own IP creation or reuse a lot.

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                        July 10, 2017 12:46 PM

                        Indeed. Counterstrike moved PC gaming in the direction of a winner take all system of player attention. The indie game thing helped pull it back some. ounterstrike more or less led directly to online consoles, and they were born with a winner take all additude (fully realized with the dominance of Modern Warfare).

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                          July 10, 2017 12:52 PM

                          Ironically, because of the size of the console player base, you have a better chance finding games of much forgotten titles if you are an Xbox or PS player.

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        July 10, 2017 1:36 PM

        Nothing has changed except that there are a lot more games than ever before. Only so many of them can have thriving online populations. The games of old that you're thinking of had far less competition.

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          July 10, 2017 1:40 PM

          Very true. I guess the number of games climbed faster than the number of PC gamers though.

          It is somewhat notable that PC gamers don't disperse into lots of little niche corners though, but crowd into the most popular games.

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            July 10, 2017 1:56 PM

            There are definitely niche corners, but those tend to be for niche games you can't get anywhere else. Military Shooter #62 isn't going to spawn its own sub-community, because the people who like that game get new and better games to play multiple times per year.

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              July 10, 2017 2:00 PM

              I guess, but you see things like Monday Night Combat die and that wasn't really competing with anything. (Although I guess people thought it was competing with TF2).

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                July 10, 2017 2:03 PM

                clearly it was competing with something as its former players decided to play something else over time instead

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                  July 10, 2017 2:06 PM

                  Then "something you can’t get anywhere else" doesn't have the necessary appeal right? Since you can be competing against something very dissimilar?

                  That's kind of my point. PC gaming has a couple huge blackholes at any moment.

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                    July 10, 2017 2:09 PM

                    you extrapolate a lot of nonsense from standard consumer behavior. People get tired of things. No amount of uniqueness buys you infinite attention over time, especially as your uniqueness is copied.

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                      July 10, 2017 2:10 PM

                      So this might be a temporary burst of popularity then that goes beyond a baseline consideration of quality? If only we had a word for that.

                      I am sure someone will think of something.

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                        July 10, 2017 2:14 PM

                        indeed people have all sorts of words for this, like burst and surge. Fad is not one as you can see by literally everyone else in this thread telling you your assessment of the situation and use of English is wrong. There's not a single person on your side here. You can choose to insist you're right and continue to fail to communicate with other human beings or you can step back and realize what all this implies about you and your argument here.

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                            July 10, 2017 2:18 PM

                            if you aren't able to recognize from this thread and the umpteen others where you went down this rabbit hole alone that for all intents and purposes no one agrees with you on this subject then I don't know what else to say

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                              July 10, 2017 2:26 PM

                              A good, we went from "no one" to "for all intents and purposes." As kn1fe likes to point out, you never admitted you were wrong.

                              Supposedly a trait unique to me.

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                                July 10, 2017 2:37 PM

                                no one is jumping to your defense in any of these threads because no one is aligned with your point of view here. And yet you persist in this belief that you have discovered a core truth that no one else can see rather than consider that maybe you're just completely wrong and off base.

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                                July 10, 2017 2:58 PM

                                I had wiped this thread from my memory and now you summon me again. What cruel torture is this?

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          July 10, 2017 2:22 PM

          Exactly. It's the sheer number that's splitting the audiences.

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        July 10, 2017 5:07 PM

        just saying hi :)

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        July 10, 2017 6:07 PM

        MODS were what kept games alive for a long lifespan. All of that is locked away now which is a shame. We would have never had Desert Combat for BF1 which really lead to BF2 if it wasn't for allowing mods. I blame EA for locking games down and preventing a mod community.

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          July 10, 2017 6:25 PM

          This and dedicated only servers have killed every game.

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        July 10, 2017 6:25 PM

        Get rid of dedicated only servers and the problems with low populations go away.

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        July 10, 2017 11:21 PM

        The answer is consoles if you want a server population that lasts..

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      July 10, 2017 9:02 AM

      I want to see PUBG become a major eSport were they put 100 people on a giant stage and when you are killed you drop through a hole in the floor.

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        July 10, 2017 6:48 PM

        That was actually the creator's plan, minis the going in a hole if you die

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      July 10, 2017 9:05 AM

      Also important context to the story.

      CS:GO peaked at 850k in April of 2016. It was hitting the kinds of numbers PUBG is right now back in 2014.

      http://steamcharts.com/app/730#All

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      July 10, 2017 9:05 AM

      Was this due to everyone watching the Major?

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      July 10, 2017 9:38 AM

      It's insane how popular it is, last I heard 4 million sales in 3 months. Crazy. They fill 100 person lobbies pretty much instantly 24/7.

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      July 10, 2017 9:50 AM

      What PUBG does really well is get rid of the teammates as a problem. I can play a few rounds of solo PUBG and not get aggravated by teammates trolling or whatever. You don't have to listen to fuckboys whine about your loadout, and if the game ends fast you can get into another very quickly.

      It's nice not having to hear anyone once I jump out of the fucking airplane. It's fun shooting everyone you see and not having to think about it. It's stressful but can be relaxing at the same time. Nice change of pace from games like Overwatch or Destiny that are constantly trying to get you to make new friends and play with them.

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        July 10, 2017 10:46 AM

        Press ctrl-T and you never have to hear anyone.

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          July 10, 2017 10:51 AM

          But then you miss overhearing the guys in the house next to you explain their entire plan for flushing you out of your own house.

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            July 10, 2017 10:51 AM

            Haha yea I generally turn it on once I've jumped just for the small chance something like this happens.

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            July 10, 2017 1:54 PM

            HILARIOUS PUBG story time:

            A few days ago I was playing a solo and I was inside a house. I knew there was a dude outside waiting for me to come out, so I was playing the waiting game with him so I could hear his footsteps.

            I flick off the mute button, and I hear the dude breathing into his microphone. REALLY heavy breathing, like he was out of breath. I was laughing so hard, I finally broadcast to him:

            Me: "Hey dude, I can hear you right outside - you're breathing so hard into your mic"
            Dude: "Wha...what? Really? Are you serious? Fucking headset! I thought it was Push to Talk!"
            Me: "Hahaha...no man, I can hear you loud and clear. Fix your headset!"
            Dude: "Oh man...well, thanks for letting me know. That's super helpful."
            Me: "No worries man, listen - I'm going to come outside and head East. Why don't you not follow me, and we'll go our separate ways?"
            Dude: "Sounds good man, have a good one. Thanks again!!!"

            And we went our own ways. I ended up with a Chicken Dinner that match! I couldn't believe it.

            I LOVE THIS GAME SO MUCH AALAKJFLKSJ@)*$&@(&$@)*$)@*$@)*($@$

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      July 10, 2017 10:24 AM

      I personally love the mechanic of forcing everyone together but starting on an enormous map. I've never played any other survival/royale game before so I don't know if that's unique or not.

      But I know I'm building a new rig specifically to play this game.

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      July 10, 2017 11:39 AM

      what is happening here

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      July 10, 2017 11:47 AM

      Crabs, first sentence, last paragraph or -> of.

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      July 10, 2017 11:50 AM

      ITT I realize people still interact with trapnsuit and I have no idea why

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        July 10, 2017 11:54 AM

        I was all excited about article thread engagement, then I saw why there were over 100 posts...

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          July 10, 2017 11:57 AM

          After this thread I will be "engaged" with a bottle of whiskey

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          July 10, 2017 11:59 AM

          I can just ignore the front page now if that makes you happier.

          https://shackstats.com/#dataset=totalPosts

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            July 10, 2017 12:00 PM

            Nope, please engaging, Steve Gibso... I mean TraptNSuit! ;)

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              July 10, 2017 10:08 PM

              Wwwwwwait, what? Nooooo.

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            July 10, 2017 12:11 PM

            lol what a smug little shit of a post

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            July 10, 2017 12:45 PM

            I'm not sure if it's worse to be unaware of your own meme, or to be fully aware and persist anyway.

            Either way what a colossal waste of time.

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            July 10, 2017 12:49 PM

            LOL

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            July 10, 2017 1:32 PM

            Did you think that would come across super witty or something?

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            July 10, 2017 1:33 PM

            Man...you have no semblance of self awareness do you?

            ITS NOT US ITS YOUUUUUUUUUUUUU

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              July 10, 2017 1:34 PM

              Civility.

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                July 10, 2017 1:35 PM

                I feel like I missed something re: civility. Did I?

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                  July 10, 2017 1:37 PM

                  last time i got into it with him about his continual way of starting these baseless arguments he stopped responding with anything other than the word "civility"

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                    July 10, 2017 4:48 PM

                    CIVILITY NOW CIVILITY NOW CIVILITY NOW!!

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                  July 10, 2017 1:37 PM

                  omg dude it's basically the other half of the joke you keep using!

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                    July 10, 2017 1:38 PM

                    I haven’t interacted with him since the last PUBG thread a week or two ago!

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                      July 10, 2017 1:40 PM

                      lol I just looked and he was doing it then too

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                  July 10, 2017 1:38 PM

                  He made the claim that dognose told him he'd be perma'ed if he didn't stop cursing people, so instead of cursing at people he argues with he responds with just "Civility."

                  The irony being that it's just his way of saying fuck you without getting banned. Civility indeed.

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                    July 10, 2017 1:59 PM

                    He was never threatened with a perma, just a ban

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                  July 10, 2017 1:38 PM

                  You didn't. Dognose sent me an sm threatening to ban me so using expletives in reply to people. I decided to say "civility" instead.

                  It isn't a shack meme, no matter how insecure they are about it.

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                    July 10, 2017 1:43 PM

                    Would you consider it a fad?

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                      July 10, 2017 1:44 PM

                      No. It isn't popular in the least. If you guys feel like making it one, go for it. Maybe someday a CS:GO player will type it in chat and I can feel validated.

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                    July 10, 2017 1:43 PM

                    "it isn't a shack meme"

                    ok meme boy

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                    July 10, 2017 1:46 PM

                    Oh, I think it is now.

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                    July 10, 2017 1:50 PM

                    Oh, it's a shackmeme alright.

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                    July 10, 2017 1:55 PM

                    you're a shackmeme

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                    July 10, 2017 1:59 PM

                    Holy shit this is like third grade logic right here. "Mom said she would wash my mouth out with soap if I swear, so I will use code instead. She will never crack it!"

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                      July 10, 2017 2:02 PM

                      Was anyone offended? No. They just thought I was insane. So what effect did it have on anyone? Nothing. It prevented me from escalating threads. Seems I never should have explained it as it has just become yet another reason for a pile.

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                        July 10, 2017 2:06 PM

                        Not commenting on the rest of the thread, but holy shit how do you have this much time to respond? lol

                        One day of this would make me unemployed.

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                          July 10, 2017 2:08 PM

                          I had a seriously slow day at work. And yeah, shack is a horrible habit and seems anxious for me to be gone. I should just take the hint.

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                        July 10, 2017 2:11 PM

                        Fair enough, but it seems like you could just leave out the comment altogether.

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                          July 10, 2017 2:12 PM

                          Yeah I know. It is the classic. Don't respond to the people attacking you rule of forums. I use civility when I am not doing well enough with that.

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                            July 10, 2017 2:19 PM

                            The problem you have is you take any disagreement as a form of attack.

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                              July 10, 2017 2:21 PM

                              No. I take attack as attack. You should learn how to disagree without talking about the person you are disagreeing with. Don't play innocent. The first thing you did in this thread was post about me.

                              http://www.shacknews.com/chatty?id=36502758

                              The fact that you manage to convince people that you are not the shitposter is beyond belief to me.

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                                July 10, 2017 2:22 PM

                                That wasn't an attack and I mean it. Have you stopped to consider that maybe this forum isn't for you?

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                                  July 10, 2017 2:23 PM

                                  I'm sure we all have time to time. please refrain from making this an unwelcome place, twifosp. you aren't the perfect arguer either. not by a long shot.

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                                  July 10, 2017 2:23 PM

                                  Lol. You seriously think interrupting a discussion to ask a person is they considered never talking to anyone there again isn't personal?

                                  This place.

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                                  July 10, 2017 9:38 PM

                                  That's definitely an attack man given the context. You're implicitly saying he's unwelcome.

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                          July 10, 2017 2:19 PM

                          I'm going for the non commenting thing after this. Finishing out this thread then considering asking for a ban a la pgharavi. Not really worth trying to talk to people on this site lately.

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                            July 10, 2017 2:23 PM

                            honestly Trapt : I actually like you and find your input valuable time to time. I bet many others feel the same.
                            you are horrible to argue interminably with, though.

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                              July 10, 2017 2:26 PM

                              I honestly have been trying to find a way to say that I enjoy some of my discussions with him, but at other times he can be absolutely horrible to try to talk to. After a certain point you make the call to stop responding or end up with....this.

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                              July 10, 2017 2:59 PM

                              agreed

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                              July 10, 2017 3:50 PM

                              Yeah trapts alright in my books.

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                            July 10, 2017 2:37 PM

                            Don't conflate everyone who replies with the whole site, bro! Nothing wrong with your ideas or posts. It's just really exhausting when you engage others in a ticky-tacky language game while simultaneously insisting that you're not doing it.

                            This whole thread is mostly just people just reading the word "fad" in different ways. That's a boring conversation. Sure, words often have different meanings at the point of delivery and at the point of reception, this isn't a revolutionary concept.

                            Somewhere in there, there are also some interesting points about how the popularity of games is often cyclical, how new players regularly come into gaming, etc. That's a potentially interesting conversation and one that is totally relevant to what Crabs wrote.

                            Now, the onus for dropping conversation A is on both you and the people replying to you, and for some reason something about your style of argument just makes it impossible for some others to drop it. You can do it, too! But it requires making some admissions sometimes or clarifying statements, and not clarifying about words/definitions etc. but a narrative statement about what you actually think is important in what you are saying. I'm not the post police, though! You do you, my man.

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                            July 10, 2017 2:43 PM

                            Keep posting, bro. I'd rather deal with you in threads than not. Don't worry about all those others who keep putting you down.

                            Haters gonna hate.

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                            July 10, 2017 2:55 PM

                            NO NO NOOOOOO!!!!!

                            It's not "I'm taking my ball and going home" with you man, it's "Everyone is playing with a red ball and I need to tell them over and over again that red balls are lame and nobody likes them and they should play with a blue ball instead"

                            Over. And over. And over.

                            Really, you engage really well with this crowd and you don't get all uppity like most people. But seriously, you have a few things you do where there is LITERALLY ZERO CHANCE that you're not trolling.

                            STOP TROLLING EVERYONE. Intentionally or unintentionally.

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                            July 10, 2017 4:26 PM

                            just don't post negative opinions. stick with positivity.

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                              July 10, 2017 7:32 PM

                              That sounds like a stupid gay horrible opinion to me

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                            July 10, 2017 10:13 PM

                            You literally wasted 6 billable hours as a lawyer to whine about a game you haven't even played. On a monday. You cost your law firm at least $1000. What is wrong with you?

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                            July 10, 2017 10:33 PM

                            It was kind of weird how you shit on the game and said it was a fad. Then said that you didn't say those things. (or imply them) It was pretty clear. I don't own the game and it seemed obvious, even to me, that you had an opinion about the game.

                            Which is ok. The weird part is the back-tracking.

                            I don't think you should get so upset that you thanks.txt over it. You are a good poster and I appreciate your lawyerly contributions.

                            Everyone is giving you shit right now. That happens. You might actually look back on it with less defensiveness and realize: Yeah, I never said the game was a piece of shit. But my posts sounded like I thought that.

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                        July 10, 2017 2:20 PM

                        Dude it is sooooo easy to avoid these piles. It's 100% your doing.

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                    July 10, 2017 2:11 PM

                    haha child logic. love it.

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            July 10, 2017 6:09 PM

            Does this mean you'll get a perma now?

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          July 10, 2017 12:03 PM

          A front page guest will click on the comments thinking, hey, neat they are discussing pubg, maybe I should sign up for this chatty.
          2 minutes later:
          http://i.imgur.com/666hiqM.gif

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            July 10, 2017 12:44 PM

            I think having an active, if somewhat off-topic, discussion is better than having no discussion. At least some new people might get sucked into the topic.

            Nobody gets sucked in by no discussion.

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              July 10, 2017 12:50 PM

              It's better to get sucked that not get sucked.

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              July 10, 2017 1:34 PM

              Yeah, as a visitor, I would find some trainwreck derail to be pretty hilarious and might consider joining.

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              July 10, 2017 1:50 PM

              I would agree with that if the off-topic discussion wasn't a heaping pile of trash

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          July 10, 2017 3:22 PM

          Well look at it this way. It is a TYPE of "discussion"

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      July 10, 2017 12:19 PM

      Real talk though do you guys say "Pub-jee" or "pee you bee jee" or "pubguh" ???

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        July 10, 2017 12:25 PM

        I say "battlegrounds". I'm guessing that's what they wanted to call it but they added PU to the front to dodge stupid (but inevitable) trademark challenges. Or perhaps to have something to trademark themselves.

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        July 10, 2017 12:26 PM

        pub-jee

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        July 10, 2017 12:28 PM

        Pubguh is proper. The abbreviation is as janky as the game itself.

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        July 10, 2017 12:32 PM

        I say BVD Battlebois

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        July 10, 2017 12:36 PM

        I intentionally misread it as Pugb or Pug Battlegrounds

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        July 10, 2017 12:54 PM

        Pew Bee Gee

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        July 10, 2017 1:18 PM

        Civility

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        July 10, 2017 1:35 PM

        They really could have used a better name.

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        July 10, 2017 1:36 PM

        I jokingly say "pibigeh" all fast and weird now.

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        July 10, 2017 1:54 PM

        Pub-jee and Pub-guh, depending on how high I am.

        I also called it a Fuck Boi Shack the other day playing with some non-shackers, and it was a little awkward.

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          July 10, 2017 1:58 PM

          Fuck Boi Shack is the community term for them so you shouldn't feel bad there. I've heard it on pretty much every stream I've watched of the game.

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            July 10, 2017 2:00 PM

            I see!

            fuck boy cabins lololol

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        July 10, 2017 2:29 PM

        I say hot drops or battlebois

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        July 10, 2017 3:03 PM

        Plunkbat.

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          July 10, 2017 3:40 PM

          stop


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            July 10, 2017 4:01 PM

            I can't. It's just so much more fun to say. PUBG is for boring old men.

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            July 10, 2017 6:50 PM

            Civility.

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        July 10, 2017 3:15 PM

        None. Just Battlegrounds.

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        July 10, 2017 3:38 PM

        Murder Island

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        July 10, 2017 3:41 PM

        FAD.

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        July 10, 2017 3:44 PM

        As someone who has never actually played it, Plunkbat.

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        July 10, 2017 3:54 PM

        I usually call it bullshit or piece of shit.

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        July 10, 2017 4:06 PM

        PUBiG.

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        July 10, 2017 4:28 PM

        Pub jee but sometimes pub guh.

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        July 10, 2017 6:00 PM

        I say Battlegrounds since the game is called Battlegrounds.

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        July 10, 2017 7:05 PM

        Punjabi

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        July 11, 2017 12:00 AM

        Well my friends all call it Pew badge... ie: to rhyme with pubes.. they are adults.

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        July 11, 2017 12:19 AM

        Pub-Gee! wtf! its not PlayerUnknown BattleJounds!

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      July 10, 2017 12:22 PM

      I should have ignored this thread when I saw the post count. Trap gonna trap

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        July 10, 2017 12:22 PM

        Mario brothers is a fad

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        July 10, 2017 1:46 PM

        It's impressive. He can ensnare people into these insanely long arguments over nothing.

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      July 10, 2017 12:23 PM

      My god Crabs; I had no clue you could write...congrats on the article! Please plug the teamspeak server when you can thanks!

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      July 10, 2017 1:41 PM

      Damn I've been scrolling past this thread all day not knowing its true potential

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        July 10, 2017 1:43 PM

        It has really blossomed.

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        July 10, 2017 2:20 PM

        I'm debating if my time is better spent jerking off or catching up on this thread. I can't decide.

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          July 10, 2017 2:28 PM

          Why not both!?

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            July 10, 2017 3:02 PM

            Time is precious sweetie

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              July 10, 2017 3:13 PM

              Can someone TL;DR the drama for me? It just sounds like Trapt thinks the game is a flash in the pan and everyone is shack pilling him?

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                July 10, 2017 3:30 PM

                Well that and he thinks Star Wars and Mario Bros are fads and thinks literally no one else here understands what the word means.

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                  July 10, 2017 3:35 PM

                  Those two IPs have been popular for decades, so we know he's wrong there.

                  But I need to lol on anyone trying to predict the future of any new IP. Sure, PUBG can easily become a fad, or not. Only time will tell.

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                    July 10, 2017 3:36 PM

                    But I do think fundamentally the design of PUBG isn't a fad and we will see a whole new genre of games rise up from it.

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                    July 10, 2017 10:17 PM

                    Pubg has been around since at least 2013.

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      July 10, 2017 1:44 PM

      Really great traptnsuit sub-thread today guys. Looked eerily similar to them all.

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      July 10, 2017 2:30 PM

      Oh hey, a news article with tons of comments. Let's take a look...

      http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/nvrmnd.gif

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      July 10, 2017 3:42 PM

      This is quite the milestone.

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        July 10, 2017 5:05 PM

        I'm making a note here, huge success.

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      July 10, 2017 5:29 PM

      Trapt, what kind of shitty lawyer are you that you have 4 hours to make these shitty threads?

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        July 10, 2017 5:31 PM

        And do your employers look at these threads and somehow believe that your terrible arguments make you qualified to retain your job?

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        July 10, 2017 5:40 PM

        Also, pubg has been around since 2013, at least, in one incarnation or another.

        Get over battleborn already.

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        July 10, 2017 11:41 PM

        Patent troll.

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      July 10, 2017 6:30 PM

      Guy always shits up threads and people keep falling for it. Hijacks yet another potentially decent discussion that could have evolved, but its been derailed into useless matter once again.

      "community"

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        July 10, 2017 6:46 PM

        If you notice, it's the same people as last time, mostly. We know it's empty rethoric, but it's fun.

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        July 10, 2017 8:32 PM

        It's just like the "Phantom" comic. Xiang Jang client died so the next in line had to step up to replace him.

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      July 10, 2017 6:32 PM

      dis thread gud

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      July 10, 2017 7:16 PM

      Wow would you look at this thread.

      Crabs has engagement tuned to over 9000

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      July 10, 2017 9:14 PM

      Just ban the guy and be done with it.

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        July 10, 2017 9:46 PM

        Ban him for what? Being stubborn and posting a lot?

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          July 10, 2017 10:22 PM

          He's an office lawyer. Ban him during work hours so he actually earns his paycheck.

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        July 10, 2017 10:17 PM

        But I think Crabs Jarrard is doing a great job with these articles.

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        July 10, 2017 10:33 PM

        Why what happened did someone post some steamed egg plant

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          July 10, 2017 11:42 PM

          I think someone found out most Americans don't have egg cups?

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        July 10, 2017 11:20 PM

        Wtf...

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      July 10, 2017 11:58 PM

      Christ wtf

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      July 11, 2017 12:23 AM

      Based on the GS:GO graphs, I can confidently say from 300k current users that PUBG will have three strong years of being the most popular online shooter.

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      July 11, 2017 1:21 AM

      You know an article is good when it results in a one sided, two person, 250+ post debate over semasiology.

      Amazing. Just amazing.

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      July 11, 2017 2:05 AM

      Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?

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      July 9, 2018 5:32 PM

      This thread was pregnant af.