Watch the 'Unleashed' Apple Special Event here

Here's how you can watch the October 18 Apple Special Event.

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It was only a month ago that Apple revealed the iPhone 13 as well as a host of other products at its September showcase, but the tech company isn’t done just yet. Today, Tim Cook and other leads at Apple will take the stage once again, to talk about more of the company’s products and services that weren’t featured at September’s event. With devices like the MacBook Pro and Generation 3 AirPods hitting the rumor mill it’s surely one you won’t want to miss. Let’s look at how you can watch the “Unleashed” Apple Special Event.

Watch the ‘Unleashed’ Apple Special Event here

Today’s Apple Event, nicknamed “Unleashed,” will take place today at 10 a.m. PT/1 p.m. ET. The event will be streamed live on Apple’s website, as well as on the company’s YouTube channel. If you’re interested in seeing the showcase, make sure you’re there at the beginning, as Apple usually doesn’t offer ways to scrub back until the broadcast has concluded.

We have no confirmation on what products and services will be shown during the event, as Apple likes to keep that information under wraps until the showcase begins. That said, some rumors, as well as past patterns from the company do give us a hint as to what to expect from the Apple Special Event. Many believe that we’ll see the newest iteration of the MacBook Pro, possibly with a fancy new chip as well. It’s also a likely bet that we may hear about the Generation 3 AirPods, as those are about due for an upgrade.

That’s how you can watch the “Unleashed” Apple Special Event, which is taking place today. If you aren’t able to catch the stream, no worries, as we’ll be covering all of its news over on our topic page dedicated to Apple.

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    October 18, 2021 4:00 AM

    Donovan Erskine posted a new article, Watch the 'Unleashed' Apple Special Event here

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      October 18, 2021 4:12 AM

      I'm horned up for new Macbooks and new Airpods.

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      October 18, 2021 5:23 AM

      plz2b announcing my new work laptop

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      October 18, 2021 5:33 AM

      Top notch event! sorry

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      October 18, 2021 7:56 AM

      Apple Unleashed Event n{Thread}n of e{Doom}e

      The hype cycle is finally over as of 2hrs from now. Apple's Unleashed event is rumoured to deput their new line of M1X Macbook Pros. There is a lot riding on these machines and the expectations are running pretty high!

      Latest rumours include Mini LED displays, 120hz refresh rate, No FaceID, and OMG a bloody NOTCH on the display. Yep you heard me.

      http://wheniskeynote.com/
      https://www.apple.com/

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        October 18, 2021 7:57 AM

        I knew I couldn't pull off those shacktags :(

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        October 18, 2021 8:19 AM

        https://imgur.com/a/VnnOi8o

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        October 18, 2021 8:32 AM

        not sure how I feel about the notch rumor. on one hand, it can be worked in to macOS the same way its done with iOS and make a really sexy edge-to-edge display. on the other hand... having a small bezel at the top of a laptop screen to house a camera is the least of my concern

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        October 18, 2021 8:44 AM

        LOL when the notch began on the iphones I predicted it would come to laptops and everyone on the interwebs (not here, but on reddit) kept saying “notch will never go to laptops cause it’s not ‘needed’” lol

        the more things change, the more they stay the same.

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          October 18, 2021 8:52 AM

          Hah yep, when the rumors started to emerge over the weekend I was convinced it was some last minute trolling, but I’m pretty convinced at this point.

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        October 18, 2021 8:52 AM

        I would be totally fine with a notch on a macbook, honestly. If it's the size of the menu bar and means we get closer to 3:2 aspect ratio displays, yes please.

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          October 18, 2021 9:00 AM

          My only thing is the occasional app that has so many menus at the top that it would cause conflicts. I mean they can just made the OS code such that anything that would be under the notch’s area just goes to the other side but then you’re running into cramping the system tray icons.

          But we’ll see. Maybe that’s enough of an edge case that it won’t be an issue.

          Really curious what it does for full screen games. Probably just doesn’t let full screen games use those 74 pixels unless asked for with the right system call.

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            October 18, 2021 9:03 AM

            That already happens with applications that have a lot of menu items and people who have a lot of items in the system tray side. Maybe they'll introduce some collapsing or scrolling or "more" overflow stuff which they don't have right now anyway. Right now if you overrun it you're just fucked.

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            October 18, 2021 9:04 AM

            Yeah it seems like an odd call that with Big Sur they added so much padding around the system tray icons, and now that space os potentially limited. That padding still looks weird to me.

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          October 18, 2021 9:02 AM

          It would suck for apps in full screen as the menu bar would be partially obscured by the notch

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            October 18, 2021 9:04 AM

            Surely they'd have to build a system level toggle that let the user (or the application) tell the application to not use that area of the screen

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              October 18, 2021 9:18 AM

              Yeah like when they make changes to the iPhone like adding more screen size (4 -> 5) or the notch (* ~> X) they made it to where the apps that hadn’t been compiled with the latest SDKs didn’t take up the full screen so it wouldn’t screw them up.

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                October 18, 2021 9:20 AM

                Yep, should be pretty easy to deal with. I *really* want 3:2 AR displays. It's the thing I miss most about the Surface devices. Second would be front facing speakers.

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        October 18, 2021 10:00 AM

        Here we go mofos!

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        October 18, 2021 10:01 AM

        is that Lord Farquad's son?

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          October 18, 2021 10:02 AM

          Who wants to be Loop Daddy when he grows up

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        October 18, 2021 10:04 AM

        Lol Zane!

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      October 18, 2021 10:02 AM

      New startup orchestration confirmed, we get a concert at every power up!

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        October 18, 2021 10:11 AM

        I just realized it’s only a matter of time before lookitzpancakes opens up an apple event. The dude in this opener kinda looked like him already.

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      October 18, 2021 10:05 AM

      wtf voice plan

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      October 18, 2021 10:07 AM

      so, a cheaper music plan where they choose a playlist for you?

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        October 18, 2021 10:08 AM

        Yeah, seems like Pandora or the free tier of Spotify (except without ads).

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        October 18, 2021 10:10 AM

        For a second there I thought it was going to be an extra $5 a month but instead it’s basically the iPod shuffle of Apple Music.

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      October 18, 2021 10:09 AM

      Wow…colored speakers 🙄

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      October 18, 2021 10:09 AM

      I want to know if this giant fake house is just something permanently installed at Apple Park.

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      October 18, 2021 10:10 AM

      So Homepod continues to lag behind the competition, but with colors.

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        October 18, 2021 10:11 AM

        um hello - they just invented COLORS!

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      October 18, 2021 10:11 AM

      lol, Doja Cat shout out

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      October 18, 2021 10:16 AM

      Tim needs to mow that lawn

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        October 18, 2021 10:19 AM

        The only thing around here that's Unleashed is the service contract with the landscapers, am I right

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      October 18, 2021 10:16 AM

      Hahahaha, no one got the chip name right.

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      October 18, 2021 10:18 AM

      32GB of RAM! Wooo!

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        October 18, 2021 10:21 AM

        If this Max version fits in a laptop....64gb time!

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          October 18, 2021 10:23 AM

          Sure seems like it will, they're talking about it in laptop context. This is pretty f'n crazy

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            October 18, 2021 10:26 AM

            These gpu slides are super suspect to me without any actual reference data. That last slide with 'here is us vs the best gpu laptop would could find!' and it was nearly at parity? mmmmhmm

            But whatever, I'm very excited to get a new laptop with maximum efficiency:power and it's not like I plan on gaming on it. If they can gpu assist creative apps I'm there.

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              October 18, 2021 10:28 AM

              Bottom corner listed the model. It was some Razer system.

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              October 18, 2021 10:28 AM

              Yeah, no one's going to be gaming on this shit and those graphs are probably not gaming related. Surely they're hand picked productivity benchmarks but they were pretty spot-on with the original M1 claims they made.

              Seems like pretty much no matter what, these things are going to scream

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      October 18, 2021 10:20 AM

      Lol. M1 Pro and M1 Max. Ok, let's do this Apple, they're gonna crush Intel. Pretty insane

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      October 18, 2021 10:21 AM

      Damn these new M1 chips FUCK

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      October 18, 2021 10:24 AM

      Awwww yeaaaaaaah!!!! Unf unf unf. Get me this new Silicon.

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      October 18, 2021 10:28 AM

      Such a bummer that VMWare won't support these CPUs for virtualization with Workstation. Also, no ability to upgrade the ram. 32 gigs is great for a laptop if you aren't doing virtualization. But I'd want 64 if I was going to do some crazy stuff with VMs.

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        October 18, 2021 10:30 AM

        There's going to be 64GB too.

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        October 18, 2021 10:34 AM

        That body style is the old late aughts style MacBook Pro/PowerBook!

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      October 18, 2021 10:30 AM

      God I want to read the Anandtech article on these CPUs so bad.

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      October 18, 2021 10:31 AM

      At last, creatives can FINALLY get back to being creative!

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        October 18, 2021 10:31 AM

        Also, apparently the original Enterprise was filled with classrooms? wtf

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      October 18, 2021 10:31 AM

      Magsafe is back baby!

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      October 18, 2021 10:31 AM

      ports BABY

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      October 18, 2021 10:32 AM

      Hell yes MagSafe!

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        October 18, 2021 10:32 AM

        Lol this thing reminds me of the old 12" PowerBook G4

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          October 18, 2021 10:33 AM

          yesss fuck off touch bar

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          October 18, 2021 10:36 AM

          You mean the coolest laptop they ever made? Yes plz.

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            October 18, 2021 10:37 AM

            Spoken like somebody who didn't have to service the fuckers, lol

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              October 18, 2021 10:38 AM

              I said it was the coolest, not the most convenient! I did indeed have to service them.

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                October 18, 2021 10:39 AM

                I still have PTSD from the cable routing over the heatsink assembly, and how balls deep you had to go to get the HD out

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        October 18, 2021 10:34 AM

        MagSafe OR USB, now that's a miracle.

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      October 18, 2021 10:32 AM

      Notch is confirmed. I am on board with this 100%. Ordering ASAP

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      October 18, 2021 10:32 AM

      and there's the notch

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      October 18, 2021 10:33 AM

      Hell yes. Die touchbar, die.

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      October 18, 2021 10:34 AM

      Adding ports?! No more touch bar?! WTF IS HAPPENING?!?!?!

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        October 18, 2021 10:34 AM

        Not even a single USB seems dumb :(

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        October 18, 2021 10:34 AM

        THEY LISTENED!! Instead of telling us what we want.

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        October 18, 2021 10:34 AM

        magsafe AND usb-c power charging. where are we!?

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          October 18, 2021 10:36 AM

          We've gone from the worst timeline to the best timeline.

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      October 18, 2021 10:34 AM

      bye bye touch bar, welcome back ports + magsafe

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      October 18, 2021 10:35 AM

      These things look chonky and I don't like the curve on the bottom but still, these things are going to be beasts. I wonder what pricing is going to be like...

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      October 18, 2021 10:36 AM

      They giveth and taketh away. Now the laptop has the fucking notch. How is it that my Dell XPS has thinner bezels and no notch but the $4k Apple laptop does?

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        October 18, 2021 10:37 AM

        quite brave

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        October 18, 2021 10:38 AM

        I like that the top bar sinks into it. I just think if I was gaming I would NEVER want to fill the screen up to that notch.

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      October 18, 2021 10:36 AM

      120hz baby!

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      October 18, 2021 10:38 AM

      This damn thing is going to cost $7,000 isn’t it?

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        October 18, 2021 10:40 AM

        Fingers crossed for under $2k for the base 14"

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        October 18, 2021 10:40 AM

        It's going to be so expensive but that's okay I don't need all my kidneys.

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        October 18, 2021 11:24 AM

        OK so if you max out storage it comes to $6,099 but a maxed out 16" with 1TB is $3899 which is about what I spent on my maxed out MBP with 1TB space in 2014, so... I guess that's competitively priced.

        Mostly I was seeing their "liquid crystal xdr display" or whatever they put in the monitor that's $5,000 with no stand and I figured uh oh this is going to be painful, isn't it?

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      October 18, 2021 10:38 AM

      wtf is a nit and how much is 1,000 of them going to cost me

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      October 18, 2021 10:38 AM

      I want the 14" but am not going to pay the 4k the damn thing is gonna cost

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        October 18, 2021 10:40 AM

        Just made it back, did they announce the price? I was ready to drop 2k€ on the 13" but that’s where I draw the line.

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      October 18, 2021 10:40 AM

      I wonder is all the presenters need to take a class on how to use their hands and speak in AMMP (Apple Marketing Magic Phrasing). lol

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      October 18, 2021 10:43 AM

      I think the m1 pro is irrelevant product.

      People should either go with the regular m1 (which is already fast and great) or the m1 max

      Skip the middle tier. It's not as appealing as the product on the upper or lower end.

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        October 18, 2021 10:46 AM

        I have a feeling it won't be irrelevant to your pocketbook.

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          October 18, 2021 10:53 AM

          Actually the most irrelevant mac in their lineup is the 13 inch MacBook pro, whivh is still in their store... Lol that one is not going to sell except for chumps

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            October 18, 2021 11:21 AM

            Yeah if going plain M1 the Air is the better buy at that price point if it’s just a daily driver. The regular MacBook Pro with M1 is only handy because of the fans for slightly more intensive tasks.

            My guess is we’ll see a refresh early next year on the airs and base MacBook Pros and probably see some more compelling reasons for that model over the air.

            Then probably mid summer introduction of high end iMacs and mac minis completing the transition except for the Mac Pro which will probably be around this time next year.

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          October 18, 2021 10:54 AM

          Difference is 500$ fr the Apple store in Canadian dollars....

          That's small enough of a difference that I would recommend m1 max every single time.

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        October 18, 2021 10:46 AM

        If money is no object, sure. But I think the price delta between Pro and Max is about to shock people...

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          October 18, 2021 10:47 AM

          Well, if money is object, go with the existing m1 16g machine.

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            October 18, 2021 10:49 AM

            And before you say that you "have to" get the new macbook to be a pro, remember that a few months ago people were saying that the MacBook Air M1is "perfectly fine" for extreme intensive computations and pro compiling and web dev workflows. And you can find people saying it's fine for music production, movie editing, pro res, etc.

            It's super funny how modern day computation is not fact based but marketing based.


            The m1 is still fast.

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              October 18, 2021 10:56 AM

              I completely agree. The base M1 Macbook is fantastic, but the additional ports could be a prime reason to go Pro. I was merely addressing your assertion that the "m1 pro is irrelevant product."

              Some people want/need the most performance they can wring out of a specific budget. Having a middle tier will be valuable.

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                October 18, 2021 10:59 AM

                It's irrelevant because the difference in pricing is so low while the order is permanent, there will be no upgrading once you buy it.

                Go with lower end or the upper end max it out. Exactly what people have recommended for all macs since they went to all in one, nonupgradeable parts.

                It's like buying an i5 in Intel world. Either go with the i9 or the lower end model...

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                  October 18, 2021 11:07 AM

                  Sorry, $500 is not "so low." I understand that it's not much when amortized over the life of the device, but it's a large difference at initial buy-in. $500 per system is the difference between your purchase request getting approved or rejected.

                  It's the difference between a tech refresh for your team, or forcing them to get by for another year on Intel systems with the jank-ass butterfly keyboard.

                  No, I'm not bitter.

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      October 18, 2021 10:43 AM

      They've name-dropped Lightroom Classic a couple times already. I presume this is the version photographers prefer?

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      October 18, 2021 10:45 AM

      That battery life is freaking bonkers

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      October 18, 2021 10:48 AM

      14" starts at $1999

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      October 18, 2021 10:48 AM

      $1999 for the 14", not bad

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        October 18, 2021 10:49 AM

        Seems fairly reasonable. I wonder what the storage/ram is like on that. If it's 16GB/256GB that seems pretty good

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          October 18, 2021 10:50 AM

          Yeah I'm curious how the model breakdown will look.

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          October 18, 2021 12:28 PM

          Eeek, that just seems super pricey to me, I guess Apple is thinking they'll fill their old $1000 laptop customer space with tablet owners, can't say I blame them but it's a bummer for me.

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            October 18, 2021 1:30 PM

            They still have the M1 MacBook Air for the $1000 price point and the $999 MBA is a fucking beast. It's what I use daily right now and it's mostly fine for me. I'm really only upgrading for more RAM while doing development stuff.

            For the vast majority of users, the base level MacBook Air is more computer than they need. And the battery life is amazing.

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      October 18, 2021 10:49 AM

      Why is Tim Cook standing in a field?

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      October 18, 2021 10:49 AM

      Really wondering what the price hit for the M1 Max is going to be on the 16

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      October 18, 2021 10:49 AM

      What the fuck is wrong with his god damn legs?

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      October 18, 2021 10:49 AM

      lol they put feet on it. That seem so anti-Apple design.

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        October 18, 2021 10:51 AM

        pretty sure all of their laptops have had feet

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        October 18, 2021 10:52 AM

        They are noticeably strange looking.

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        October 18, 2021 10:52 AM

        It’s the style of the old late generation PowerBooks and First generation MacBooks and MacBook pros. The whole body style screams that design and is obviously what they are trying to evoke here.

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        October 18, 2021 10:54 AM

        Every single Apple laptop has feet, dude.

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        October 18, 2021 10:56 AM

        You've never used a mac laptop? They all have feet....

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        October 18, 2021 1:07 PM

        You want $999 laptop wheels?

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      October 18, 2021 10:50 AM

      No new AirPods :(

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        October 18, 2021 10:51 AM

        Uh, yes there are. Third gen base model AirPods were announced.

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          October 18, 2021 10:51 AM

          oh shit, I missed the beginning of the video and didn't see anyone say anything about them in the thread

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        October 18, 2021 10:51 AM

        Yes there were.

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          October 18, 2021 10:55 AM

          But not Airpod Pro...buyer beware. The third gens don't have noise cancelling!

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        October 18, 2021 11:04 AM

        Looks like they just turned the Pros into the regular SKU.

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      October 18, 2021 10:51 AM

      Apple Store is updated: high end 16 inch is $3500

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      October 18, 2021 10:52 AM

      So do we think the $2000 14-inch will be 32gb or 16gb? Or will all Mac Pro chips be 32gb and up?

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        October 18, 2021 10:53 AM

        Spoke too soon, store is already up! 16gb is the answer.

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      October 18, 2021 10:52 AM

      They're up on the store. $2k gets you 16GB/512GB. $500 premium for the Max.

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        October 18, 2021 10:53 AM

        Hehe, the maxed out lol 16" with 64GB of RAM and 8 TB SSD is $6100.

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      October 18, 2021 10:52 AM

      Stores up....wow those laptops get expensive quick lol

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      October 18, 2021 10:54 AM

      Lol max starts at $3500 (16")

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        October 18, 2021 10:56 AM

        oh nevermind, you can upgrade from lower tiers if you need max. woo!

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      October 18, 2021 10:54 AM

      Site is getting hammered lol

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      October 18, 2021 10:56 AM

      2.249,00 € on the base 14" is a "no thx"

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        October 18, 2021 10:58 AM

        This is why they have the Air and 13" still available.

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        October 18, 2021 10:58 AM

        That’s $2610.57 us or 8000 Canadian moosebucks or something.

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          October 18, 2021 11:18 AM

          $2499CDN. i have a feeling work is gonna deny my request :/

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      October 18, 2021 10:58 AM

      In for the 14" base model. It will be the first mac I've ever owned.

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        October 18, 2021 11:00 AM

        Trying to order, site is fucked

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          October 18, 2021 11:02 AM

          Tried the site first and couldn't get in. Switched to the apple store app on my phone and had no issues.

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      October 18, 2021 11:03 AM

      Interesting spec matrix requirements. Looks like if you want a Max chip you have to also get 32GB min ram. So price points start at $2900/$3100 (14/16).

      At least it seems all models come with the mini-led screen?

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        October 18, 2021 11:07 AM

        Yeah I was worried about them tying the new display to the Max chip, but it's standard all the way down to the base model 14"

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        October 18, 2021 11:09 AM

        Correct. Also unlike previous generations the only difference between 14 and 16 inch models is screen size and how much battery the thing packs. You have all options available for either size.

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          October 18, 2021 11:12 AM

          Hopefully we get some hands on previews soon showing the size compared to the current line up. The price jump between models when equal specs is pretty decent for bigger battery/bigger screen. Just need to figure out if I want to go smaller or bigger than my current 2016 15".

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      October 18, 2021 11:10 AM

      It's interesting to me that the newest Apple designs are really falling back to some of their best selling products. The latest iPhones all take strong ques from the design language of the 4. Now these new laptops are pulling from the OG unibody from 2008.

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        October 18, 2021 11:12 AM

        Yeah. They aren't outright admitting that eliminating the physical function keys and ports were a mistake, but clearly they were based on the new designs.

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          October 18, 2021 11:39 AM

          I’d guess the Touchbar and no ports happened at the peak of Ive’s power at Apple and he kind of disappeared up his own ass.

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      October 18, 2021 11:13 AM

      Delivery of 10-Core 14" is Nov 3-5. Bye bye $2300. Knocked a chunk off with previoius trade-in balance but still, ouch.

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        October 18, 2021 11:16 AM

        Only reason I'm upgrading is because trade in value of old model. Makes a painful purchase a tiiiiny bit easier to endure.

        Did you go max?

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          October 18, 2021 11:19 AM

          Nah, won't be gaming on it. Don't need the extra GPU. Really I just want more RAM and a little bit extra CPU will be a nice step up from the M1/8GB MBA I have right now.

          Honestly, if my MBA had 16GB of RAM I *probably* wouldn't be getting this.

          Promotion HDR is really nice, but the M1 MBA is a fucking powerhouse in itself.

          I'm really only upgrading because I got the MBA as a work anniversary gift. I'll give it to my wife to replace the old ass Surface Pro 4 she's been using.

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        October 18, 2021 11:27 AM

        I got a 16" with 64gb coming next week. -3,899 pre-tax. Pain. PAIN.

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          October 18, 2021 11:29 AM

          Damn, that's intense. What are you going to use all that ram for?

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            October 18, 2021 11:30 AM

            Honestly, it'll probably get sucked up by development VMs. Luckily it's a big tax write off

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              October 18, 2021 11:31 AM

              What VMs are you running since there's nothing that'll run x86/64 on M1, right?

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                October 18, 2021 11:36 AM

                I should maybe say emulation to be more specific. Stuff like QEMU still works fine. This is also a machine that I will keep for the better part of a decade, so need to shoot out into the future. There's also some video editing work (IDK why youtube people insist on 8K workflows) i've had to do recently that can leverage the RAM, etc.

                If using computers my entire life has taught me anything it's that I will find a way to use all the RAM inside the machine, heh.

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                  October 18, 2021 11:42 AM

                  Haha, yeah. 32GB seems to be the sweet spot for me for the foreseeable future for me but I couldn't convince myself to pay the extra $400 to make that happen. Hopefully by the time 16GB becomes a problem, there'll still be trade-in value for it and I'll just apply that $400 plus interest to an upgrade, heh.

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                    October 18, 2021 11:44 AM

                    The premium is way too steep for sure. I would have gone with 32 if there was an upgrade path available, but sadly that's not the path the m1 stuff took. Macs generally hold resale extremely well, I don't think you'll have any issue turning it around in a few years if that's what you want to do.

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                      October 18, 2021 11:47 AM

                      Just a few months ago I traded in my 2012 Macbook Pro with a slightly swelling battery and i5 in it for like $250. I think they just dropped support for it in the latest macOS, too. I figured it was totally worthless.

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                        October 18, 2021 11:56 AM

                        The secondary market is generally pretty good. I'm not the type of person who flips my old machines (they go to family), but everyone I know who does has decent success offloading them. Especially the ones that upgrade every 2-3 years. Something from 2015 that has had supported dropped for it is probably a different story though.

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                    October 18, 2021 11:48 AM

                    I had the same thought too. Do I need 64Gb? No. Do I want? yes. Then saw the price and realized I only kinda sorta push 16Gb on my 2017 MBP, so 32Gb shared arch will likely be just fine. Couldn't quite justify the epeen.

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                October 18, 2021 12:03 PM

                I’m planning to leave windows 10 running in the background 24/7, give parallels 32gb ram and let it do its thing.

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                  October 18, 2021 12:18 PM

                  i'm curious what you do with Windows ARM. i have it installed in parallels but i haven't booted it up since installing it

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                    October 18, 2021 12:24 PM

                    I'm planning to use it to work with PowerBi, primarily. I'm assuming that will work on the arm version.... I guess I should check

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                      October 18, 2021 12:25 PM

                      probably will have to run it under the x64 emulation

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                        October 18, 2021 12:30 PM

                        I would be ok with that, presumably it would be about as performant as it was on my 2019 MBP at my last job, and that wasn't too bad.

                        I need to figure out if I want the 14" or 16", the hardware is identical with both, right? Only the screen is different?

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                          October 18, 2021 12:50 PM

                          Oh damn just noticed the Max is only with the 16", nevermind!

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                            October 18, 2021 12:55 PM

                            You can upgrade the 14's with max configs too. Click into the buy area and then it lets you bump specs.

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                              October 18, 2021 12:58 PM

                              Ooooh, nice!

                              Back to square one, hah. I don't really want a massive screen, so the 14" is more tempting. If all else is equal, I'll probably go that route.

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                                October 18, 2021 1:03 PM

                                I'm trying to slow roll my purchase so I can just go in an see them side by side as well as hopefully get some reviews on actual performance differences in real world use. But yeah I'm leaning 14" at this point as well. Just feels weird to downgrade from the 15" formfactor that I've been using since...2003?

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      October 18, 2021 11:14 AM

      Apple should adopt Disney's release model by taking popular features away from their lineup for 4-5 years then bring them back in a new format.

      The touch bar has been added to the Apple vault so that MagSafe can make a return. We'll see the reinvented touch bar come back in 2025 when they run out of ideas.

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        October 18, 2021 11:20 AM

        I mean the touch bar was always a bad feature and a terrible tradeoff vs. not having a function row.

        I haven't used a MBP since the ~2015 model, but if I needed a new dev laptop this looks darn good. Likely the best screen available, a badass CPU and what looks like a good keyboard.

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          October 18, 2021 2:37 PM

          I use the Touch Bar to accidentally mute meetings while trying to erase something in my notes and the miss something important.

          I haven’t found any other uses.

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          October 18, 2021 2:49 PM

          The one and only cool use of the touchbar I found: if doing a screen recording with Quicktime Player, it would display how long you've been recording and the file size, along with a Stop Recording button.

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      October 18, 2021 11:30 AM

      And in case anyone is interested I got a signed and notarized build of QUAKE II for Intel/M1 here

      https://www.shacknews.com/chatty?id=40914000#item_40914000

      So that's now all three Quakes I've done.

      Also I'm secretly kinda glad they didn't announce new Mac minis, I still think the one I bought would be the right one to have but at least now I'm not wondering if I should have waited a month.

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      October 18, 2021 11:34 AM

      Huh, just noticed this in the tech specs: 3.5 mm headphone jack with advanced support for high-impedance headphones

      I've been running HD650's on my 2020 Intel MBP without an amp and they actually sound great already. Curious about specifics on the improvement.

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        October 18, 2021 11:38 AM

        Yeah it was an interesting quick throwaway comment, would like to know more like if it has a gain option. I can drive my planars decently but I could very much use more power. Also wonder if that's them leaning into providing an improved option for their lossless music catalog.

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      October 18, 2021 11:45 AM

      Just dropped over 5k on two laptops. Fuck these are pricey. Fuck me these look unfuckingbelievably amazing. Parting (with my money) is such sweet sorrow.

      Upgrading wife's 2013 MBP to a base 14" and upgrading my 2017 MBP to a 14" low end Max with 32Gb ram and 512 ssd.

      Hers shows up next week. Mine is slated for early Nov. Much excite.

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      October 18, 2021 12:25 PM

      Got everything in the cart, ready to place the order on a 16 M1 Max for delivery next week. Internet goes down and by the time I'm back up and running the delivery window is Nov 3-10. Bleh.

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      October 18, 2021 12:26 PM

      Anyone else waiting for reviews and impressions from the tech community before solidifying their decision? I guess best bang for your buck doesn't matter so much when it's a corporate expense.

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      October 18, 2021 12:26 PM

      Man, I told my IT guy months ago I was waiting for these to upgrade. And he ends up being out of office today haha. Not getting one until like 2022 at this rate.

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      October 18, 2021 12:33 PM

      In 2022 they are going to double down and make the macbook notch even larger

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      October 18, 2021 12:51 PM

      all that graphical power but no games, right? or do macs have games now?

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        October 18, 2021 12:58 PM

        I'm going as fast as I can!

        https://www.shacknews.com/chatty?id=40850295#item_40850295
        https://www.shacknews.com/chatty?id=40888860#item_40888860
        https://www.shacknews.com/chatty?id=40914000#item_40914000

        Seriously though, it has x86 emulation so anything that runs on a 64-bit Intel Mac should work on an M1* Mac. The hurdles are that a whole bunch of games got cut off in the 32-bitpocalypse and Macs were underpowered 3D wise for a bit but Apple Silicon should help that. So we'll see.

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          October 18, 2021 12:59 PM

          Also the OpenGL support.

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            October 18, 2021 1:26 PM

            Yeah I'm curious what effect that has long term.

            OpenGL is still in macOS, even Monterey, just not getting implemented past OpenGL 4.1.

            I really thought their deprecation of OpenGL was in preparation for it to be removed from the OS once they switched to ARM but no, it's still there. One rumor I've read said they've wound up keeping it around because a number of things use WebGL and essentially still require it but who knows. Right now it's implemented as a driver/layer on top of Metal.

            Developers are used to having to implement various graphics APIs for the different vendors (Sony, Nintendo, etc.) but those are platforms where games actually sell. We may be a weird chicken and egg pattern with Apple but since Metal is the same on iOS/iPadOS/tvOS/macOS (as I follow it) and developers are seeing their mobile offerings as valid gaming platforms (with some iPads even having the same M1 as the Mac) it won't be so much a matter of technology as it is just market forces.

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              October 18, 2021 1:28 PM

              It's not that weird for them; it's the sort of choice they've been making since at least the Doom 3 port if the stuff Carmack says is anything to go by.

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        October 18, 2021 12:59 PM

        Eve online just released a native M1 Mac client lol. But no nothing major game wise right now. Apple could do crazy things with games given the horsepower on all their devices and their cloud infrastructure, but hasn’t touched it.

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        October 18, 2021 1:01 PM

        GPU compute. Rendering, encoding, its the main reason you'd use a beefy Radeon with other Macs

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        October 18, 2021 1:04 PM

        It only supports an old version of OpenGL, doesn't have Vulkan natively but needs an additional layer that translates it to their native api and apple hates games and people who play them unless they use their phones. All that wasn't even the worst thing about it last time I tried, it's the baked in godawful mouse acceleration which persisted despite various software hacks supposed to fix it. I have no idea if they do raw/1:1 input now. Some emulation works apparently. Devs like the m1 but nobody is going out of their way to support shit on osx.

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          October 18, 2021 1:25 PM

          Steelseries has a terrific mouse acceleration tool. I haven't dealt with that in well over a decade

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            October 18, 2021 1:30 PM

            The first Mac I bought in 2009 with Snow Leopard (10.6) the mouse acceleration made me literally nauseous. It was like the one thing I wasn't prepared for. I'd used Linux and it was like using Windows with different stuff on the screen. I went so far as to install weird software to try and fix it.

            I haven't noticed mouse acceleration in years and I don't know if that's because it's gone or just less bad now or if I've just become immune to noticing it.

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        October 18, 2021 1:27 PM

        It's not there for gaming, it's there for productivity

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        October 18, 2021 2:31 PM

        still useful for certain workloads

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        October 18, 2021 4:17 PM

        Maching learning uses the hell out of GPUs, I imagine these things might be great portable dev machines for that kind of work.

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          October 18, 2021 4:21 PM

          Preliminary Geekbench scores are putting the M1 Max CPU performance on par with the 12 core Xeon W-3235: https://www.macrumors.com/2021/10/18/first-m1-max-geekbench-score-surfaces/

          Might as well be a desktop for some pro users, kind of nuts

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            October 18, 2021 4:23 PM

            I want one for Pro Tools/Luna so bad but I just can't justify the 3.5k for a hobby. My current 32GB rig gets along fine but I sure would like the overhead for plugins and stacking other cpu intensive shit.

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              October 18, 2021 4:35 PM

              Skimming the video now and apparently its more capable than their 28 core Xeon desktops with the Afterburner card when it comes to playing back multiple 4k and 8k streams.

              I'm so curious to see what they do with their pro desktops. Do they beat Threadripper on render times?

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      October 18, 2021 1:06 PM

      Probably going to wait until we see practical benchmarks between the different SoC configurations. Its clear what the bump would be from 16 GPU cores to 32 but I'd love to know price:performance for the 24 core config

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        October 18, 2021 1:47 PM

        Yeah reviewers should get their hands on it soon. There is already a geekbench score out for the M1 Max out there that is showing multicore performance on par with the 12 core Xeon W-3235 that was included with the 2019 Mac Pro tower.

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          October 18, 2021 1:51 PM

          wtf is Mac Pro performance going to be like? I assume that on top of whatever performance improvements there are that they'd also be able to shrink it

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            October 18, 2021 4:32 PM

            Never mind, they're clearly going to aim at AMD Threadripper, beating those on render times is the final boss

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        October 18, 2021 5:32 PM

        I went base 16, but upgraded the hdd to 1TB. Honestly the current M1 Macs are plenty for me power wise. I really wanted a 16 again. the 13inch I've been using feels so cramped. Plus all the other great improvements. Very excited for these.

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          October 18, 2021 6:37 PM

          I ended up going with a 16 Max with an early November ETA. I can always cancel/return and swap it for something else after I see benchmarks. A big part of me wants to go with the 14" since I dislike carrying around a 15"-16". Problem is that the price difference with equivalent internal specs is only $200 and I much prefer actually using a 15"-16" once I'm all set up.

          I may change things up, at least the order is secured before things push out into December or 2022

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            October 18, 2021 7:07 PM

            Man that Max was tempting, but then you gotta go to 32gb of Ram too. I would have loved to do it, but I just couldn’t justify it. It’s already way more computer than I need.

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      October 18, 2021 1:22 PM

      Full size function keys would never ever have happened if Jobs was still alive. I did a double take when I saw those and still couldn't believe it

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      October 18, 2021 2:44 PM

      Only HDMI 2.0?! So how do you get an external high rez monitor to match the 120hz laptop screen?

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        October 18, 2021 2:47 PM

        I have a feeling they still won't be able to drive 120hz external monitors

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        October 18, 2021 3:04 PM

        Damn, really? That’s pretty shitty.

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          October 18, 2021 4:14 PM

          Supposedly. It’s almost obscene to go through the whole USB C / HDMI hoopla with the flagship laptops and then just kneecap it with an outdated standard on a brand new design.

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            October 18, 2021 4:18 PM

            These laptops can drive three 6k displays, not sure who's going to be mad at it

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        October 18, 2021 3:23 PM

        use the thunderbolt ports. they'll do both DP Alt Mode and thunderbolt video. get an adapter/dock for DP screens or get a screen with a USB-C connector

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          October 18, 2021 4:07 PM

          Apple still really dropped the ball. HDMI is sometimes the only option. And even when DP is available you are still playing dongle management, which is just one more fickle and tedious thing to do.

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            October 18, 2021 4:42 PM

            If you’re plugging in to multiple displays you’d be using a dock of some kind be it windows or Mac. Thunderbolt works great as a dock connection standard.

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            October 18, 2021 5:48 PM

            What kind of 120hz display doesn't have USB-C?

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      October 18, 2021 3:11 PM

      Look a little bit harder and the 14” specs for battery life start to suck a bit more https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-14-and-16/specs/

      Up to 17 hours Apple TV app movie playback
      Up to 11 hours wireless web


      So if you’re using it to watch 24fps pre-downloaded video on low screen brightness without HDR you might get 17 hours out of it. For regular use, a lot less than that.

      Contrast that with the M1 MBA which is 18/15 or the M1 MBP which is 21/17 and those extra cores/GPU and FPS are really gonna hit hard on the battery.

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      October 18, 2021 4:32 PM

      They are going to gain so much market share with these m1 laptops. They stand out so much.

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        October 18, 2021 4:33 PM

        *I have a first gen m1 and am not trading in because it's just fast as balls and so good, but I'm glad the line is moving this way. Makes me confident I'm going to stay with m1 and that the popularity will lead to developers making native m1 compatibility a priority.

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        October 18, 2021 4:43 PM

        They will do well I’m sure. But I really want to see them open up the architecture.

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          October 18, 2021 5:21 PM

          Never. Going. To. Happen.

          Apple will keep m1 Private

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          October 18, 2021 6:10 PM

          That’s never going to happen for lots of reasons one of them being that a huge reason it’s so good is because the hardware and the OS are so tightly coupled. If they opened it up and other people put shitty software on top of it, it would tarnish the hardware brand. They won’t let that happen.

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        October 18, 2021 4:43 PM

        Yeah it's the first real big leap in arch that I find interesting and seems to really make a difference. People are going to see that these things stand apart from the rest, even more than just the look.

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        October 18, 2021 5:20 PM

        That I totally agree. Now is the best time to buy apple stock instead of the MacBook pro

        They are going to make so much money.

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        October 18, 2021 5:28 PM

        M1 switch or riot

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          October 18, 2021 5:30 PM

          My god that would be the ultimate team up.

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            October 18, 2021 5:47 PM

            I don't care if it's $1000 pls tim

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            October 18, 2021 5:54 PM

            Would also be a weird flex against Microsoft and Sony.

            Be a hell of a way to get people to use Metal instead of Vulkan or OpenGL though.

            Be even better if they did like they did with the Pippin and there were all these weird signs you were using macOS under the hood like the cursor would show up and turn into a beach ball sometimes.

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              October 18, 2021 6:38 PM

              Also a big load off of Nvidia's shoulders. They can't even keep up with demand for their own GPUs, let alone an update for tens of millions of Switches

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      October 18, 2021 5:27 PM

      Still no airpods in black. Fuck me.

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      October 18, 2021 5:31 PM

      The "skin sensor" sounds cool. I have some gen 2 airpods and a lot of times i have to take them in and out a couple times to get them to detect that theyre in, its annoying

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      October 18, 2021 6:19 PM

      Jesus. A 16" M Max or whatever with 64 gb ram and a 4TB SSD is like $7000 CAD with apple care, and doesn't deliver until mid December. wtf.

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        October 18, 2021 6:20 PM

        sell a kidney, you poor.

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          October 18, 2021 6:29 PM

          Eh my research account pays for it. I'm more concerned about the timing! I'm still on a freaking 13" 2013 Macbook Pro!

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        October 18, 2021 6:26 PM

        I went with the 14” max. November 10 delivery!

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          October 18, 2021 6:56 PM

          Really? I don't even see that option in the Canadian store. 14" are only the M1 Pro! Only the 16" has the M1 Max option.

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            October 18, 2021 7:02 PM

            Its an upgrade option. Both sizes can be maxed out in the same ways (SoC/SSD/RAM) with the only difference being $200 between the 14 and 16

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            October 18, 2021 8:32 PM

            You don't see the options to add the Max processor versions to the 14?

            https://imgur.com/a/OmkEx76

            I'm in the US but I think I was browsing / working in the Canadian store and the Max processor options were at the bottom of the list just like the 16inch version.

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      October 18, 2021 7:18 PM

      So tempted to see my 2015 13" Pro, wonder what I could get for it. Really though the Air is probably all I need since I only use it for web browsing but the new Pro looks like a beast.

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        October 18, 2021 8:13 PM

        The Air or the M1 MBP (Not M1 Pro/Max) are *really* good machines with *really* good battery life. If you’re just web browsing, don’t bother with the Pro/Max. It’s entirely not worth it. M1 is incredibly capable.

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          October 19, 2021 2:37 AM

          That's what I figured but all them ports! Hopefully they update the Air next year with a few but that doesn't seem very likely. At least adding magsafe would be good.

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            October 19, 2021 6:57 AM

            At the very least probably wait till they update that dogshit camera lmao

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      October 18, 2021 7:43 PM

      Just ordered a 16" Max, November 10 delivery. Traded in a 2018 15" i9 which brought the total down to around $2300 which I did Apple Card 0% installments on. I guess I hope it lives up to the hype. Regardless, that keyboard will be an upgrade.

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      October 18, 2021 7:48 PM

      not gunna lie, "Donovan Erskine" still initially parses into "Dovakine" in my mind every time I see a post like this. I guess I played a lot of skyrim. and can't read good.

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      October 18, 2021 9:19 PM

      Up at Best Buy now for ordering.

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        October 18, 2021 9:22 PM

        Snagged a 14in 1tb model for those extra cores.

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        October 18, 2021 9:37 PM

        Also 24 month and 36 month 0% APR with a Best Buy card and shipping 2 weeks sooner. Done.

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          October 18, 2021 9:39 PM

          Cancelling Apple order, thanks for the heads up!

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          October 18, 2021 9:46 PM

          Bingo

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            October 18, 2021 9:47 PM

            I hadn't seen 36 month financing from them before btw, looks like this is only for Macbooks, iPad Pros, and AppleCare until January 2nd

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              October 18, 2021 9:54 PM

              Yeah that made it a super easy choice for me. I was tempted by the 16 maxs they have. But I prefer the 14 form factor and I just won’t use all of those resources right now. I also don’t future proof. I know In 3-4 years I’ll be handing this off to my wife or mom and getting a new one.

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