Apple's iPhone 6 takes on the Amazon Fire Phone

Apple’s brand new iPhone is larger, beefier, and looks to be a stronger contender in the market than ever before. But just how well does it stand against Amazon’s underdog, the Fire Phone?

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The world of mobile gaming is ever-evolving, and with those changes comes a demand for new devices that are able to handle the updates that are rolling out. Apple more-or-less created the demand for smartphones when it introduced the first iPhone in 2007, and Amazon decided to up the ante in function and design with the release of the Fire Phone last July. But how well can this device stand up to one of the longest running contenders of the smartphone universe?

Screen Size, Weight, and Resolution

We’ll start off with the underdog. The Amazon Fire Phone has a 4.7-inch display with a resolution of 720 x 1280 pixels or 315 pixels per inch. The iPhone 6 shares its screen size with the Fire Phone, however, its resolution is set in at 750 x 1334 or 326 pixels per inch, giving it a slightly crisper image. Finally the iPhone 6 Plus comes in with a whopping 5.5-inch screen situated just a resolution of 1080 x 1920, or 401 pixels per inch.

Another factor to take into account when looking for the perfect mobile gaming hotspot, is the actual weight of the device. The fire phone weighs in at 5.64 ounces (or about 160 grams). The iPhone 6 is about 4.55 ounces (129 grams), and the 6 Plus weighs the most at 6.07 ounces (or 172 grams). It's sometimes easy to forget that weight matters, but the last thing you want is to be knee-deep in slaughtering enemies and end up with your arms ready to fall off.

The Winner: iPhone 6 Plus -The iPhone 6 and Fire Phone fall short of the massive screen size and powerful 1080P resolution offered by the iPhone 6 Plus. 720P, and slightly higher just isn’t enough when you’re looking for the crispest mobile gaming experience out there, but there is a drawback, as the iPhone 6 Plus does weigh in at a hefty 6.07 ounces. This means you'll have the best gaming graphics, but you might need to take more frequent breaks to keep your arms from tiring out.

Internals: Processor, Ram and GPU

It’s no secret that the internals of a phone can make or break it when it comes to multitasking and gaming performance. So what do each of these devices hold? And which one is going to provide the smoothest experience?

Sadly, the Amazon Fire Phone sports last year’s tech, boasting a 2.2GHz Quad Core Snapdragon 800 CPU, with an Adreno 330 GPU, and 2GB of Ram. While it isn’t a huge step behind the new tech coming out, it is worth mentioning that Qualcomm already features faster and better processors in flagship smartphones, like the Samsung Galaxy Note 4. This isn’t a deal-breaker, but compared to the new A8 processing unit dropping in the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus, it could very well be the final strike down. We don’t have any solid stats on the A8 yet, but we do know it is said to be 25 percent faster, and 50 percent more efficient than the previous A7 released in Apple devices last year. For the purpose of this argument it should be noted that the A7 was a dual core processor, running at 1.29GHz. It has also been stated that the A8 is also a dual core CPU.

The Winner: Fire Phone - It’s really hard to decide without getting hands on, but if we had to choose just from stats, the clear winner here is the Amazon Fire Phone. Not only is the processor faster (despite being last year’s tech), it also features a dedicated graphics system, meaning that less strain will be pressed onto the CPU. But don’t completely rule out the iPhone just yet, we’ll be sure to keep you update once we have proper stats and benchmarking.

Applications

Of course without proper applications to make use of all the goodness packed into a smartphone... well what would be the point?

The Amazon Fire Phone comes loaded with a suite of built in tools, like email and other Android apps. But what does it have to offer when it comes to gaming? Other than having their own app store which features free apps of the day, Amazon has also gone out of its way to hire a development team to build games and applications from the ground up, specialized just for the Fire Phone. Apple took a different route, instead deferring their application and game making needs to a long list of third party developers, including large publishers such as EA. Sadly there isn't a laundry list of titles that actually support Dynamic Perspective, but we know for sure that Saber's Edge and Lili and Snow Spin are two of those titles. 

The Winner: TIE - Even with the differences in application and game development, iPhones still feature a much larger application gallery than is currently available on the Fire Phone, making this choice a bit tougher than the others we’ve made so far. If you’re looking to get your hands on quality built applications, then we suggest checking out the Fire Phone. Amazon has always been pretty good with their services, and the fact that they have a dedicated team who specializes in their device will make a difference in the applications and games we see dropping for the Fire Phone as it develops. But if you need applications and games now, we suggest picking up one of the new iPhones as the market has a ton more to offer going into the holiday season.

Price Points and Carrier Options

It’s a well-known fact that iPhones aren't exactly cheap. Apple is proud of its device lineup, and Cupertino is famous for its high quality but pricey hardware. But is the Fire Phone similarly worth the asking price?

The Fire Phone starts at just $0.99 right now (normally priced at $199), with a two year contract. The price is incredible, even if you're not necessarily going to use it primarily for gaming, but there is one catch. The Fire Phone can only be used on AT&T cellular service plans, which means you aren’t going to want to pick it up if AT&T doesn’t offer good coverage in your area.

The iPhone isn’t quite so limited, offering availability on every major carrier out there, from AT&T to Verizon. If you’re looking to pick up one of these bad boys though, you should expect to pay a pretty penny for it. With a 2 year contract the iPhone 6 starts out at just $199 for the 16GB version, spiraling upwards to $299 for a 64GB variation, and ending with $399 for the 128GB edition. The iPhone 6 Plus sports the same options for memory, at just $100 more for each option, making it $299, $399, and $499 respectively.

The Winner: TIE – If you’re looking for cheap then the best way to go is the Amazon Fire Phone, but be sure to check whether your area is covered by AT&T service as you will be limited to their network. If money isn’t a big issue, and you need to grab service with another major carrier, then we suggest picking up one of the new iPhones once they release.

*Prices are pulled straight from the Amazon and Apple Websites to provide the clearest information possible.

 But what about the gimmicks?

The iPhone 6 Plus has a nice, large display, but that doesn't mean that the Fire Phone doesn't have tricks of its own. We have to mention this one big feature that may sway you toward one phone or the other. Do you like 3D stuff? If you said yes, then it might be worth looking into the Amazon Fire Phone, as it features 4 low-power cameras built into the front, which track where you are looking at the phone from. Icons, games and applications shift accordingly, in a defining feature dubbed “Dynamic Perspective.” This isn’t something that will be for everyone, and it’s too early into the phone’s life cycle to tell if it’s more of a hindrance or a help, but there's is a ton of potential for a phone that works almost like a hologram emitter. 

Overall there are a lot of ties and tie breakers between these three devices. If we had to choose any single device though, we'd have to go with the iPhone 6 Plus as our mobile gaming go to. With a larger screen, a higher resolution, and the option of multiple different carriers, we just can't settle for anything less. It may be heavier, and the processor may not look as fast as the Fire Phone on paper, but those things are trivial when it comes to the quality and control we'll have on the iPhone 6 Plus.

Guides Editor

Joshua holds a Bachelor of Fine Arts in Creative Writing and has been exploring the world of video games for as long as he can remember. He enjoys everything from large-scale RPGs to small, bite-size indie gems and everything in between.

From The Chatty
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    September 10, 2014 2:30 PM

    Josh Hawkins posted a new article, Apple's iPhone 6 takes on the Amazon Fire Phone.

    Apple’s brand new iPhone is larger, beefier, and looks to be a stronger contender in the market than ever before. But just how well does it stand against Amazon’s underdog, the Fire Phone?

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      September 10, 2014 2:41 PM

      The Amazon phone is slower than the iPhone 5s, how does it win the "internals" section? The iPhone 6 should be 1.25x faster for CPU limited apps and 1.5x faster for GPU limited apps.

      "Not only is the processor faster (despite being last year’s tech), it also features a dedicated graphics system, meaning that less strain will be pressed onto the CPU. "

      What? Both devices have a dedicated GPU.

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        September 10, 2014 3:19 PM

        Yeah I was coming here to post this. iPhone's have always had a dedicated GPU. And they have been improving with each model far faster than the CPU.

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      September 10, 2014 2:58 PM

      What the christ is going on with this site lately and these articles?

      The iPhone 6 smokes the Amazon Fire phone
      http://www.macrumors.com/2014/09/09/iphone-6-geekbench-1-4-ghz-dual-core-a8-1gb-ram/
      http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/763447

      The internals thing is also insane and also the Apps being Tie.

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        September 10, 2014 2:59 PM

        The Winner: Fire Phone - It’s really hard to decide without getting hands on, but if we had to choose just from stats, the clear winner here is the Amazon Fire Phone.

        You don't even have either of the phones. How did this article get published?

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          September 10, 2014 5:23 PM

          Lol this is getting silly

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          September 10, 2014 8:09 PM

          Bahahahahha wtf IS this site?!

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          September 10, 2014 10:36 PM

          hahaha holy shit lol

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          September 11, 2014 7:28 AM

          There seems to be a lot of good stuff coming out lately, but at the same time, we're getting some really strange stuff.

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          September 11, 2014 7:29 AM

          Omg hahah I thought you were joking.

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      September 10, 2014 2:59 PM

      the fire phone? really? the showdown nobody was asking for.

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      September 10, 2014 3:00 PM

      This article is pretty close to meaningless. Why was it even written? Why even compare the iPhone to the Fire Phone when everyone agrees that the Fire Phone is a failure and carriers are unloading it for free with contracts?

      How can you review "size" and "weight" as being important for comfort without ever holding any of them in your hand, which is basically the defining characteristic of whether or not it's comfortable? Then you go on to compare processors by the gigahertz speed and the number of cores, as if that is a meaningful comparison when comparing chips from different vendors? And you completely miss the fact that Apple has integrated PowerVR GPU technology directly on chip with their processor? What about the fact that Apple iOS 8 will feature a faster graphics API called Metal which developers claim is better for performance than OpenGL?

      And then you have a section named Gimmicks that talks about the Fire Phone's parallax support and mentions literally nothing else about either phone, like, oh, the brand new Apple Pay / Touch ID system *that is one of the defining characteristics of the iPhone 6*.

      Also, I lost track of the typos and misspellings after I saw the weights listed as "oucnes", "oucnes", and "ounches". Come on, Shack, try harder :\

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        September 10, 2014 3:15 PM

        Meh, much better phones out there than the iPhone 6. Some of the features (like NFC payments) are pointless. I would rather they redesign the UI to be more usable like Windows Phone or Android. It's still just a freaking app launcher of a phone.

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          September 10, 2014 5:29 PM

          You make so many well reasoned and interesting points!

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            September 10, 2014 5:40 PM

            I could list plenty but it wouldn't matter. Apple has nothing like Google Now or Cortana. Their phone experience is static and boring in my opinion.

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              September 11, 2014 2:06 AM

              Your sounding like a classic Android fan here.

              And my phone is a Nexus

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                September 11, 2014 2:16 AM

                Yeah, classic Android fan talking about Cortana. I'm not wrong, so it doesn't really matter.

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                  September 11, 2014 7:25 AM

                  what exactly are you looking for your phone to do for you?

                  as it is mine called people, sent messages and mailed, could take pictures, surf the internet, record video and run apps.

                  how does it get more dynamic with android vs iOS vs windows?

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                    September 11, 2014 7:41 AM

                    Google Now, Cortana. Both dynamically feed you news stories, travel time, weather, air travel info, etc. It requires no configuration, it parses through emails, searches, GPS location, and so on. If you used an android or Windows phone for a few weeks I'm sure you would see the benefits.

                    For example, tomorrow I'm traveling to Korea and it has all of my flight information in a Google card on my home screen and I did nothing for that to happen. I've had Google now update me on gate changes before it even shows up on Expedia or the airlines website.

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      September 10, 2014 3:28 PM

      Click bait?

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        September 10, 2014 3:56 PM

        If it helps to keep the shack afloat by having a few articles designed to attract new visitors then so be it. I can live with it.

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          September 10, 2014 4:11 PM

          Shacknews: You're go-to source for gaming news, and the occasional poorly crafted article that hits a bunch of recent search keywords.

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          September 10, 2014 4:19 PM

          So be mediocre at a lot of things instead of awesome at having a more narrow focus, got it.

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            September 10, 2014 4:56 PM

            Sometimes i feel like a lot of you guys are too critical of the shack's attempts to grow, branch out, and change. Sure there will be growing pains but very rarely is something done with elegance and free of flaws the first hundred times.

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      September 10, 2014 3:30 PM

      Stick to gaming, please.

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        September 10, 2014 3:46 PM

        ^^^^^^

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        September 10, 2014 3:58 PM

        IAWTP8

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        September 10, 2014 4:11 PM

        I dunno. Phones are a gaming platform.

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          September 10, 2014 4:19 PM

          But this article is not talking about mobile games.

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            September 10, 2014 11:31 PM

            True. It required a much more thought out angle.

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        September 10, 2014 4:21 PM

        Amen. These articles do not belong here.

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        September 10, 2014 4:21 PM

        Hate to agree but yeah, this is not their forte.

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        September 10, 2014 4:39 PM

        Screw y'all, phones are a big deal in gaming now.

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        September 10, 2014 5:24 PM

        HAHA, that is what I was thinking.

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        September 11, 2014 5:54 AM

        Oh yes, I'm drunk enough to post tonight, TLDR: who gives a shit? Why are you whining? Who fucking cares? You've got a fucking lightning bolt on your name for fucks sake - who GIVES A FUCK what's on the front page? If they get hits, make money and keep the chatty going who cares? Jesus fuck.


        Fuck that, post about phones, dicks, CPU's, 4x4 tires, maddogs mom, who gives a fuck? Frontpagers.
        Stop whining, sorry many.

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      September 10, 2014 3:31 PM

      Next headline: "How does the Apple iPhone 6 stack up against a shoebox?"

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      September 10, 2014 3:36 PM

      The only thing I know about the fire phone is tested.com hated it. They returned it as soon as they were done with it and had nothing positive to say about it (at least in the podcasts).

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      September 10, 2014 3:44 PM

      Market leader takes on piece of shit no one bought

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      September 10, 2014 3:54 PM

      Slow news day?

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        September 10, 2014 4:19 PM

        It's kinda funny, I was scrolling around, and passed about 5-6 actual game news articles with almost zero comments on them, yet this one has a bunch haha. I get WHY this has a bunch, negative or not, but it just struck me as funny that people say stick to gaming and then don't comment on any of those stories really.

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      September 10, 2014 4:01 PM

      wth is a toard ?

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      September 10, 2014 4:03 PM

      I guess it's clear now that Shacknews is looking to move beyond just the gaming niche and expand more into a Technology / Gaming site?

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        September 10, 2014 4:04 PM

        I'm wondering if this is the case. Of course, they're welcome to do so, but based on recent articles, they have a long way to go to become a credible site in that regard.

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          September 10, 2014 5:34 PM

          It doesn't look like they are interested in that. Looks like they want to create click bate with a bunch of fake articles.

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        September 10, 2014 7:01 PM

        If that's true they have a lot of work to do. Fire phone vs iPhone, seriously?

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        September 11, 2014 7:34 AM

        i think the iphone 6 coverage over the last couple of days has been pretty relevant considering the amount of threads the past few days and the amount of replies. i don't think they can compete with the big tech sites for coverage but mentioning a summary of everything for people that don't want to read huge posts is a good idea.

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      September 10, 2014 4:10 PM

      I can maybe hear the argument that this is relevant because it is definitely a device that can be used for games.

      But when I see comma errors like "The iPhone 6 Plus has a nice, large display, but that doesn't mean that the Fire Phone doesn't have tricks of its own." and misspellings like "toard", it makes me think you may not be worth reading.

      :(

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      September 10, 2014 4:14 PM

      "The iPhone 6 and Fire Phone fall short of the massive screen size and powerful 1080P resolution offered by the iPhone 6 Plus. 720P, and slightly higher just isn’t enough when you’re looking for the crispest mobile gaming experience out there..."

      What? WHAT? How is a resolution powerful, since when is "crisp" a benchmark and since when do games run better when they have to push more pixels than less?

      "...the clear winner here is the Amazon Fire Phone. Not only is the processor faster (despite being last year’s tech), it also features a dedicated graphics system, meaning that less strain will be pressed onto the CPU."

      You couldn't be more wrong. Didn't you do any research at all? What is this shit?

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        September 10, 2014 5:12 PM

        Yeah, the PPI on the two displays is virtually identical and it's the 6 Plus that's slightly *less* Han the 6.

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        September 10, 2014 7:05 PM

        iPhone always have bleeding edge game performance, not to mention the vast library. This has to be a joke.

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      September 10, 2014 4:16 PM

      Giving a pity LOL here.

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      September 10, 2014 4:17 PM

      I'm so confused

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      September 10, 2014 4:17 PM

      Allllllrighty then.

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      September 10, 2014 4:20 PM

      the only reason this is on shack is that it's satire like an article from the onion.

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      September 10, 2014 4:30 PM

      Next article, Shacknews takes on AnandTech: 2 players enter...

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      September 10, 2014 4:32 PM

      I think I figured out what happened here. Amazon shopped around to find someone - anyone - that would paint the Fire Phone in a reasonable light next to an iPhone.

      Shacknews did it for a bag of cheetos and a five hour energy. 1 hour of which was spent writing the article. The others... who knows.

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      September 10, 2014 4:35 PM

      Guys :(

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      September 10, 2014 4:38 PM

      Embarrassing, as ignorant as it is ill informed.

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      September 10, 2014 4:40 PM

      ...and we all edge closer to thanks.txt

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        September 11, 2014 1:05 AM

        It's in my dropbox now but it's not shared.

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      September 10, 2014 5:13 PM

      Did Amazon pay you to write this article? I ask with 100% seriousness. The amount of wrongness in this article is astounding.

      Have you actually played with any of the phones you reviewed?

      Lastly, you're comparing specs against something that hasn't even been released yet, and you realize that, but you still declare a winner.

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      September 10, 2014 5:24 PM

      9/10/14 never forget

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      September 10, 2014 5:24 PM

      Does anyone want to do their job better? Or what?

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      September 10, 2014 5:42 PM

      Lordy Lordy what a huge toardy!

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      September 10, 2014 5:52 PM

      "oucnes" really? Spellcheck much?

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      September 10, 2014 6:38 PM

      Really disappointed in this "article".

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      September 10, 2014 6:45 PM

      Buy does it blend?

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      September 10, 2014 6:48 PM

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      September 10, 2014 6:55 PM

      This is legitimately one of the worst written articles ever posted to this site. This is really disappointing.

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        September 10, 2014 7:00 PM

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        September 10, 2014 7:08 PM

        I dunno, that other iPhone article was pretty fucking horrendous. Is the Shack reaching out to a middle school writers program or something to help kids find their way?

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        September 10, 2014 7:56 PM

        Yep, I have been trying to visit the front page often because I liked the attitude of the new owners. If this is what we get though I am not sure. It is entertaining though I guess.

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      September 10, 2014 7:15 PM

      Will Ray Rice get the Apple IPhone 6?

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      September 10, 2014 7:18 PM

      I like the direction this all going. Won't be long now.

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      September 10, 2014 8:07 PM

      These articles suck

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      September 10, 2014 8:09 PM

      Everyone, respectfully, we get it. We're trying to fix things, but it isn't that easy, as you can see. Good Intentions Paving Company, I know, but this is something we're talking about daily now, and I know the editorial planning will get better. I actually think there's some very good content going up on Shack, but there have been some missed targets and some downright bombs (sorry about yesterday).

      Give us the rest of the month. I think you guys will be pleasantly surprised and, if you like us, we'll need you to start beating the drum with us.

      But we know that we have to earn it first.

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        September 10, 2014 8:24 PM

        articles like this get posted and you expect us to wave your flag? sorry, but this is a gaming web site. not a site to post satire or opinions on what to spend $350 on other than a watch. that's the only reason I even joined the chatty community. articles like these have completely driven me away from respecting you as a gaming web site and thinking of you more as click-bait-whores. you'll post anything for attention. and it's a damn shame. between these kinds of articles and what's going on in chatty/mod-land, you're making it really hard to have any sort of support for this site. I'm just glad you don't have any effect on the excellent latest chatty apps everyone's made, chattypics.com or even ThomW's LOL page, which really are the only connections we have to the way things used to be around here and what got this community started in the first place.

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          September 10, 2014 8:25 PM

          At least the watch one never seemed to take itself seriously. It seemed more satire from the start. This one seems like it was trying to be a genuine informative piece of writing.

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          September 10, 2014 8:30 PM

          "articles like this get posted and you expect us to wave your flag"

          Sincerely, you have to re-read my comment. "But we know that we have to earn it first." If we lost you, that's bad on us, and to the rest of you guys willing to continue to give us a chance, we hope to do better, and soon. That's all.

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          September 10, 2014 11:25 PM

          oh christ

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          September 11, 2014 5:51 AM

          I found my way into this conversation by way of vanity search, and thought "wow Korban is fucking HARSH!" Then I read the article. lol

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        September 10, 2014 8:24 PM

        I think we all appreciate that the shack finally has some owners who actually seem to care about it, but these kinds of articles do worry me. The fact that this topic was even given a green light seems absurd, and to make matters worse you can tell the only research done was some table that compared the specs of the two phones side by side.

        Why not try an in depth article comparing the android gaming landscape with the iOS gaming landscape. There actually might be something worth saying in that.

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          September 10, 2014 8:34 PM

          It missed the mark from the topic's inception, and we'll try better to hit the mark. Ideas like the one you mention is more like the type of content we'd like to see, and we're going to move in that direction.

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        September 10, 2014 8:28 PM

        Don't worry, we'll continue to tell you if the pieces suck. If you ignore them and say "Stick with us, guys!", well, that's on you.

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          September 10, 2014 8:33 PM

          Right, definitely not trying to ignore. Hopefully we'll show that with some better action in the very near future. We're talking about this stuff in the fourteenth hour of some of our work days (I'm only a goddamn level 4 in Destiny, the sacrifice!) -- I'm being corny, but it is something that we take seriously.

          Look, we're trying our best but it's not good enough, and you guys are calling us out on it. It's been too long though, and it needs to change. It will -- thanks for sticking with us if you choose to give us another chance, and sincere apologies if we already lost you.

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        September 10, 2014 8:31 PM

        I haven't read the article but personally wouldn't mind more like it.

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          September 10, 2014 8:36 PM

          Honestly, I wouldn't mind it either if that's the direction they want to go. But the content is going to have to become much, much better. If they drop to the levels of Verge with clickbait and pushing shit out as fast as possible to beat everyone to the punch. They'll get lost with the rest of the sites that are racing to the bottom.

          Give me GOOD, THOROUGH content and fuck yeah. I'll pimp this site everywhere.

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            September 10, 2014 8:49 PM

            To be honest, that's part of the reason we brought Daniel aboard. In addition to gaming, he has some tech expertise and it's a knowledge we're looking to tap. Trust me, the kinks will get ironed out.

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              September 10, 2014 9:18 PM

              How about some articles on PC hardware. I know we get a lot of questions about that here in the chatty all the time.

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                September 10, 2014 9:23 PM

                "best pc at x budget" articles seem to do well, even if they aren't relevant for too long.

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                  September 11, 2014 1:55 AM

                  MMO Champion runs a pretty basic "Here's 4 reason configs" article every few months or so that I find useful. Maybe something like that, with a more in-depth explanation of say, video card options.

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                September 10, 2014 9:32 PM

                That's coming, for sure. Stuff like graphics cards, the Alienware "console," and Intel chips, etc., yes. We are looking to target that stuff, too.

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                  September 10, 2014 9:51 PM

                  I've never seen a build list that accounted for PC aesthetics. It's an extremely important but under serviced area.

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                September 10, 2014 9:38 PM

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              September 10, 2014 9:51 PM

              Tech expertise should include the knowledge that more Ghz and more cores doesn't necessarily mean faster.

              http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph7903/62540.png
              http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph7903/62541.png
              http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph7903/62565.png
              http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph7903/62567.png

              Note that the other devices in these benchmarks are using faster Qualcomm SoCs. Making a conclusion on performance based on no testing or referencing other tests is a bad thing.

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                September 10, 2014 11:40 PM

                These are also comparing different browsers and different operating systems. There is so much more going on than just the CPU that it's not a benchmark of the CPU, but rather of the entire stack of hardware plus software. I mean, memory makes a difference, GPU makes a difference, OS makes a difference, version of the OS makes a difference.

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              September 10, 2014 11:36 PM

              Sounds great to me! I think diversity around all things gaming would be great for the shack!

              But for all the technical content and hardware reviews I have to trust the source. It's much more objective than something like a game review which can be colored by subjective preference. This means getting your shit square, and this was not a great first impression. Plus in every article I expect writing that isn't littered with typos and basic grammar mistakes.

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            September 10, 2014 11:02 PM

            Agreed. Gaming and tech wouldn't be a bad thing, it's all in how it's executed.

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          September 11, 2014 5:50 AM

          I wouldn't mind articles about phones and gadgets as long as they contain a fucking SHRED of accuracy. This story is complete idiocy.

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        September 10, 2014 8:33 PM

        It's just a Shackpile.

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          September 11, 2014 6:04 AM

          People argue on the shack = omg everybody can't be civil

          People agree on the shack = omg everyone shackpiles?

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          September 11, 2014 7:46 AM

          Or honest feedback, whatevs

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        September 10, 2014 8:42 PM

        I'm glad you guys are trying new things. Unfortunately we all liked the shack kitchen videos but they weren't popular enough to continue, and we all seem to hate these articles. On the other hand, I'm not too certain about the Shack's future, and if crappy articles like this are what it takes to keep the site (and chatty) alive, then keep it up I suppose.

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          September 10, 2014 8:47 PM

          Actually, the 8 Bit Cuisine isn't over, as far as I know. Just on a brief hiatus. They'll be back here and there.

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          September 11, 2014 12:23 AM

          the 8 bit cooking videos were awesome

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        September 10, 2014 10:57 PM

        I hope you do what you have to to keep the lights on. After all these years of ignoring the front page and the writing in general, chatty posters are suddenly insulted because you're trying out new things. Don't cater to crybabies who openly deride or ignore the front page one day and then get all high and mighty when something they don't like is posted the next day.

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          September 10, 2014 11:04 PM

          ^^^^Yes, this exactly.

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          September 10, 2014 11:34 PM

          I think you're making a false assumption that the people commenting with their opinion have never read the front page before. Ever since stories got posted directly to the Chatty, we all see the stories going up.

          Personally I think its a shit article and there have been many shit articles going up. You can have your opinion and other people can have theirs. Its how it works.

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            September 10, 2014 11:51 PM

            Everyone sees the stories going up but does anyone read them? Most articles have fewer than five comments and even now after all the hard work that Ozzie and the others put in to engage with the community, Chatty posters generally stay in the Chatty because that's what we come here for. Everyone is quick to anger when something they don't agree with pops up but when things are just slowly rolling along there's no feedback of any sort.

            I don't want Shacknews to turn into buzzfeed but I understand that chatty doesn't pay the bills. They bought the site, they have to make money somehow.

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              September 10, 2014 11:58 PM

              Even with the articles being posted in the chatty a lot of the time there's already a healthy thread already established about that topic in the chatty. People gravitate toward the thread that's getting bumped with conversation, not the one that's empty and reiterating the same thing.

              That's why we need to merge those threads into the article thread.

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                September 10, 2014 11:59 PM

                But we can't do that because Grim Fandango coming to PC, Mac, and Linux too.

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                September 11, 2014 12:04 AM

                That's a feature request I definitely agree with. Merging threads would be a great way to show the discussion.

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                  September 11, 2014 12:09 AM

                  This is rapidly becoming my most-requested feature. This really needs to happen.

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                    September 11, 2014 12:18 AM

                    It really really does. It'll help drive a lot of us chatty dwellers to the articles for sure.

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                      September 11, 2014 12:21 AM

                      It could be a little weird.

                      If the root post says "Ozzie talks about micro transactions in GTA7" and the first reply is "Hey, did you hear that GTA7 will have micro transactions?!".

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                        September 11, 2014 12:23 AM

                        Plenty of ways to mitigate that, first thing that comes to my mind is just having another tag for a post called "merged" or something. People could read it in that context then. More destructive would be to kill that root post, but that'd be weirder and context would get lost, blah blah.

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                          September 11, 2014 12:26 AM

                          Rather than category, it might be best if the code modified the post's contents to have a prefix that says:

                          "[merged]
                          Hey, did you hear that GTA7 will have micro transactions?!"

                          If you ate up a category enum, then that makes it difficult for the mods to flag the post for other reasons.

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                            September 11, 2014 12:28 AM

                            That'd be fine too. I was thinking posts could be tagged multiple things. Political + NWS, etc.

                            Either way, I think the merging thing could be handled pretty easily for the consumers.

                            Modifying the apps that use the live API to handle it would be irritating but that's progress!

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                              September 11, 2014 12:32 AM

                              One weird thing that could happen: The first (merged) reply could end up being older than the root post. (lower id number) That is something that never, normally happens.

                              I don't know if anyone has code that relies on that, but it might be sticky for someone.

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              September 11, 2014 12:08 AM

              Comments don't equate to article views.

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                September 11, 2014 12:22 AM

                Obviously. The general lack of feedback one day and the complete shitfest the next is another issue though. Occasionally I see Ozzie and the other getting good feedback when they do things like the Twitch roundup or various features but generally speaking (IMO of course) the Chatty is fairly indifferent to the articles that are posted here unless it's something like this that they don't want to see here.

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          September 10, 2014 11:51 PM

          I post a shitload more in front page threads than I ever have since they've become integrated with the chatty. That also means I read a lot more of the articles.

          I also think a lot of regular chatty posters don't post in the front page article comments because they attract a different crowd. That doesn't mean the articles don't get read.

          I'm not saying I read them all, because I don't, but I think you're making assumptions based on some old as fuck thoughts about the front page and/or joke posts along the lines of "Front page? What's that?"

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            September 11, 2014 12:00 AM

            The comments don't attract a crowd at all! It's no wonder the Chatty isn't getting new blood when the front page looks completely deserted. People frequently admit to getting their gaming news elsewhere. I am not opposed to criticising the staff or their work but there's no need to throw a fit when I don't like what they put out. Let them try new things and give constructive criticism.

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              September 11, 2014 12:01 AM

              See above for the reason why no one comments in them.

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          September 11, 2014 1:11 AM

          Well said.

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          September 11, 2014 2:46 AM

          Yep, agreed.

          It's not a great article, but we should be providing constructive criticism rather than just throwing out "Lol, wtf, embarrasing/stupid/etc". We are all guilty of ignoring the front page, so the least we can do is try to help out and not be a turd when they're trying to turn things around.

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          September 11, 2014 3:59 AM

          The issue I have is that the article just isn't good. It feels rushed and they're comparing the iPhone 6 to the Amazon Fire Phone. A flagship phone vs a mid-tier phone. And the writer hasn't even used the Fire Phone. Compare flagships to flagships.

          If Shacknews wants to throw in articles about new tech and not be a dedicated gaming site, that's fantastic. But the writers need to get their hands on review devices, use them as their main device each for a solid week, then write the article.

          There's already quite a few tech sites that get down and dirty with the items they're reviewing. This particular feels more like an opinion piece.

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            September 11, 2014 8:17 AM

            It's fine to be critical, I just don't see why everyone has to be so harsh on one misstep. Your post up top was perfectly fine but calling this the worst article ever written on the site or just plain embarrassing is pointless. I didn't like it either but people could show a little bit of decency instead of piling on the toxic comments.

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              September 11, 2014 8:18 AM

              I agree. Looking back my post further up seemed a bit cruel. I felt I needed to explain myself in reply.

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              September 11, 2014 8:23 AM

              I think the poor article invited the huge backlash. This thing reads like one of those assignments you would be given in 6th grade to write 2 pages about a topic. There is no redeeming quality to it. The premise is terrible, the research is terrible, the writing is terrible. I don't claim to be even close to a professional writer and I would never consider releases an article like this.

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          September 11, 2014 8:09 AM

          People are dumping on this article because it's really bad. Acting like they aren't allowed to be critical of a truly bad front page article and calling them names for it is just inane dude. Wanting the lights to stay on and wanting good content aren't mutually exclusive.

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            September 11, 2014 8:12 AM

            There's a difference between being critical and being insulting. The same thing happened with that ten things to buy list or whatever. Wasn't a particularly interesting article but there's no need to shit on the author for it. It's fine to not like a thing but phrase it in a constructive manner.

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          September 11, 2014 8:24 AM

          Yep. Just have some thick skin and keep on improving. I'm glad someone actually cares enough about the site to try to get the ball rolling in the right direction.

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        September 10, 2014 11:35 PM

        Grim Fandango coming to PC, Mac, and Linux too

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          September 11, 2014 2:10 AM

          What is this? I must have missed something.

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        September 11, 2014 12:27 AM

        Some of these responses are silly, please keep up the opinion pieces so much more interesting even when don't agree with your opinions.

        And people by all means disagree with the opinion but don't shoot down the content and try to respect someone has probably put a good few hours work into something like that.

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        September 11, 2014 1:03 AM

        Just being practical here: you should take the article down and fix it. Don't have things on the front page with large factual errors, it looks bad.

        It also reads like Amazon paid for this piece, which is unfortunate.

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      September 10, 2014 9:59 PM

      I've read nothing but bad things about the Fire Phone, but if what do they know, they are not gaming websites.

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        September 10, 2014 10:39 PM

        See they just needed a "Phone Nobody Wants" category. The Firebone would have been the clear winner there.

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      September 10, 2014 10:30 PM

      This is embarrassing.

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      September 11, 2014 12:02 AM

      This is so embarrassing. Wow.

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      September 11, 2014 12:14 AM

      I like the fact that you guys are trying new things, and hell, the Fire thingy is new and I don't think the premise of the article is as stupid as some seem to, but... you have to have your writers know what they are writing about. Going for interesting subjects that attract readers is understandable, but you simply shouldn't do it if you don't have a writer who has the necessary expertise and insight.

      With all due respect, if I was new to the site and that was the first thing I read, I would never, ever even consider coming back.

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      September 11, 2014 12:18 AM

      holy fuck guys, chill out. Let them try something new, god forbid it will attract some new readers

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        September 11, 2014 2:12 AM

        This article reads like it was produced by a content farm. It's manufactured trash. I'd rather the Yahoo Answers readers who are used to this type of content stay away from Shacknews.

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        September 11, 2014 2:20 AM

        I agree, but the quality needs to be there. This article would be best taken down as it goes beyond subjective opinion into the realm of looking out of touch

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        September 11, 2014 6:05 AM

        No one would be attacking this article if it weren't horribly written.

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          September 11, 2014 8:19 AM

          disagree. lots of complaints just purely on the fact that it is not gaming related.

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        September 11, 2014 6:18 AM

        Agreed. But they could at least try it with some integrity.

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        September 11, 2014 7:43 AM

        Trying something new is great! But you can't write something like this repeatedly and keep credibility intact.

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        September 11, 2014 8:15 PM

        The article wasn't even put through a spell checker. How fucking pathetic.

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      September 11, 2014 2:29 AM

      Shackpiling at its worst.

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        September 11, 2014 2:38 AM

        Ok, I read some of it and there are some lol parts in there.

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        September 11, 2014 7:45 AM

        Not even close. It's been way way worse

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      September 11, 2014 2:46 AM

      I don't... What?

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      September 11, 2014 6:24 AM

      Lol gg Shacknews

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      September 11, 2014 9:43 AM

      This article really spoke to me as an avid gaming enthusiast. Thank you for writing it.

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