Valve announces $399 Steam Deck handheld PC gaming device

Valve has revealed the Steam Deck, its new device for handheld PC gaming.

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Valve is one of the biggest names in the PC gaming world, and the company is looking to further its offerings with a new series of products. Valve has announced the Steam Deck, a handheld PC gaming device set to launch this December, with pre-orders beginning this week.

Valve announced the Steam Deck in a news release on July 15, 2021, sharing new details on the product's website. This handheld device will let users take their PC games on the go. The Steam Deck features a custom APU developed in partnership with AMD. The device also sports a 7-inch touchscreen, as well as a USB-C port and a microSD slot for storage expansion. The Steam Deck has WiFi and bluetooth compatibility.

Looking at the device, we can see the Steam Deck has analog sticks on either side of its screen. There’s also a dpad in the upper left-hand corner of the device, with a standard 4-button layout in the opposite corner. There’s pairs of shoulder buttons, as well as buttons on the backside of the system. The Steam Deck’s power button sits on the top side of the device. Coming in at 669 grams, the Steam Deck weighs roughly twice as much as the Nintendo Switch.

The Steam Deck is set to launch this December, with three different storage models. The base model of the Steam Deck costs $399 USD and features 64 GB of internal storage. The 256GB model costs $529 USD and also features an NVMe SSD, allowing for faster storage and speedy access to downloaded games. Lastly, the 512GB Steam Deck model runs for $649 USD and also packs an anti-glare etched glass.

More images and details for the Steam Deck handheld PC gaming device can be found on its newly created website. The Steam Deck will begin shipping this December, with pre-orders beginning tomorrow. For future updates on Valve’s new device, be sure to bookmark Shacknews’ Steam Deck topic page.

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Donovan is a young journalist from Maryland, who likes to game. His oldest gaming memory is playing Pajama Sam on his mom's desktop during weekends. Pokémon Emerald, Halo 2, and the original Star Wars Battlefront 2 were some of the most influential titles in awakening his love for video games. After interning for Shacknews throughout college, Donovan graduated from Bowie State University in 2020 with a major in broadcast journalism and joined the team full-time. He is a huge Star Wars nerd and film fanatic that will talk with you about movies and games all day. You can follow him on twitter @Donimals_

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    July 15, 2021 10:02 AM

    Donovan Erskine posted a new article, Valve announces $399 Steam Deck handheld PC gaming device

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      July 15, 2021 9:58 AM

      You guys see this already? Portable hand held gaming device from steam?

      https://store.steampowered.com/steamdeck

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        July 15, 2021 10:00 AM

        Looks cool. Will probably be much more expensive than Switch, but play some pretty serious games.

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          July 15, 2021 10:12 AM

          $50 more than the new OLED switch

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          July 15, 2021 10:14 AM

          So $400, not bad.

          Curious how well it could run Control at 1080p medium settings, since that's one of the games on the home screen in the promo shots.

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        July 15, 2021 10:04 AM

        Interesting! But kinda pricey? I dunno... https://www.steamdeck.com/en/

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          July 15, 2021 10:07 AM

          Then again, it's bigger than I thought so maybe $400 isn't that bad. Dock sold separately tho...

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        July 15, 2021 10:04 AM

        Interesting. The preloading thing isn't loading though, I'm guessing they are getting a lot of traffic.

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        July 15, 2021 10:07 AM

        Pretty cool. Except there aren't many of my games on Steam that I play with a controller. And I already double-dipped most of them on my Switch.

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        July 15, 2021 10:08 AM

        This is really interesting to me and pricing seems reasonable. I wonder what performance will be like...

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          July 15, 2021 10:32 AM

          Has a zen 2 with RDNA 2 doesn't seem bad

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        July 15, 2021 10:09 AM

        So it’s just streams stuff, right?

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          July 15, 2021 10:10 AM

          nope.

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          July 15, 2021 10:10 AM

          No it looks like it's a full system.

          "The default Steam Deck experience requires a Steam account (it's free!). Games are purchased and downloaded using the Steam Store. That said, Steam Deck is a PC so you can install third party software and operating systems."

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            July 15, 2021 10:11 AM

            Interesting, seems like a compatibility nightmare with lots of stuff.

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              July 15, 2021 10:13 AM

              On Steam Deck, your games run on a different operating system than the one on your desktop PC. It's a new version of SteamOS, built with Steam Deck in mind and optimized for a handheld gaming experience. It comes with Proton, a compatibility layer that makes it possible to run your games without any porting work needed from developers. For Deck, we're vastly improving Proton's game compatibility and support for anti-cheat solutions by working directly with the vendors.

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                July 15, 2021 4:52 PM

                Proton- wonder how much that will hamper performance?

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          July 15, 2021 10:12 AM

          It has onboard storage plus an SD slot so you'll be able to do some local installs:

          "Get the built-in storage you need: 64GB eMMC, 256GB NVMe SSD (faster), or 512GB NVMe SSD (fastest). If you're looking for more space, augment your built-in storage with a microSD card and fill it up with even more games."

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          July 15, 2021 10:16 AM

          It has an AMD apu like the consoles, but the raw GPU power is close to a PS4.

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          July 15, 2021 10:19 AM

          Runs SteamOS as a full PC

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          July 15, 2021 10:24 AM

          No, and it's running a variant of Arch Linux, so they'll be heavily leveraging recent improvements in Proton.

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        July 15, 2021 10:10 AM

        Steam deck? That's when you poop in the water tank of a toilet, right?

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        July 15, 2021 10:11 AM

        Look the nintendo switch pro everyone wanted

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        July 15, 2021 10:13 AM

        Resolution
        1280 x 800px (16:10 aspect ratio)

        Not 4k guys...🤣

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          July 15, 2021 10:16 AM

          Is the switch 4K? Nope. Bunch of us don.t care about 4K

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            July 15, 2021 10:17 AM

            whoosh - yeah I know, that's the joke. I'm being facetious here, 4K on a handheld is not needed to me as well.

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          July 15, 2021 10:18 AM

          80 more lines than Switch.

          Surprised it wasn't 1080p.

          Glad it's 16:10 though. Fewer and fewer games were supporting 16:10, which by extension meant few and fewer games supporting 4:3, which has been a problem for me on my Diamondtron and Trinitron CRT's.

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            July 15, 2021 9:06 PM

            Imagine how poor battery life would be with double the pixel count that 1080p demands. As it stands it only has 2 hours of battery life with the most demanding games at 720p.

            In any case its effectively a 720p screen since it has the same horizontal resolution, just with 80 more pixels at the top and bottom. I love 16:10 on laptops but curious to see what the benefit is on a gaming device. Its not like I'll be using the Linux KDE desktop on this thing.

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          July 15, 2021 10:19 AM

          Well it has an OG PS4 caliber GPU with a better CPU, so such a low res will help.

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          July 15, 2021 10:36 AM

          This is probably a good thing, since the hardware will
          Be obsolete in 3 years. Lower res should hopefully be able to play AAA games for a bit.

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          July 15, 2021 10:47 AM

          wasn't the 4k complaining about the Switch related to better support for 4k TVs in docked mode? no one was asking for a 4k 7" screen

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          July 15, 2021 11:32 AM

          Not surprised.. we are far from a APU that can really push 4K in a ~15W power target. I'm sure the APU can do a 4K signal but most likely games would be ~800p to 1080p actual resolution.

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        July 15, 2021 10:14 AM

        Looks pretty cool and good price. Maybe finally a way to get rid of my backlog

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        July 15, 2021 10:16 AM

        If you goto SteamDeck.com, you get regional pricing - "Introducing Steam Deck™, starting at CDN$ 499"

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          July 15, 2021 10:18 AM

          Ugh. Base model is MMC storage
          - 64GB eMMC, 256GB NVMe SSD (faster), or 512GB NVMe SSD (fastest).

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            July 15, 2021 10:21 AM

            Looks like amount of on-board storage will be the only difference between models.

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            July 15, 2021 1:00 PM

            eMMC is the same stuff in your phone or tablet. Reliable, not terribly fast, cheap. Definitively not an SSD.

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              July 15, 2021 6:40 PM

              emmc is p fucking slow, i don't think it's in any modern phone worth a damn?

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        July 15, 2021 10:18 AM

        The choose your steamdeck thing on the webpage doesn't load.

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        July 15, 2021 10:21 AM

        Uhh that looks awesome

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        July 15, 2021 10:22 AM

        Reservations open tomorrow at 10am PST

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        July 15, 2021 10:22 AM

        This looks really slick. I've only ever really gamed on a PC so this is compelling to me in a way that other handhelds have not been. I have a lot of games in my Steam library that I would love the flexibility to try out while on a plane, train, etc.

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          July 15, 2021 10:33 AM

          I'm in the same boat, this is very interesting to me.

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        July 15, 2021 10:22 AM

        How about steam machines GabeN

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          July 15, 2021 10:27 AM

          This is a much better path for that. The third party approach they took last time didn't work any better for them than it did for CDi or 3DO.

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        July 15, 2021 10:47 AM

        Factorio on it!

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      July 15, 2021 10:33 AM

      That's way better than I expected. I'm not buying one but it seems cool.

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      July 15, 2021 10:35 AM

      Not for me, but cool I guess. Milleh will probably get it!

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        July 15, 2021 10:36 AM

        I'm dissapointed that it's not oled, and the analogues aren't offset and are way at the top :/

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          July 15, 2021 10:38 AM

          Yea it is surprising it isn’t OLED. The Nintendo switch OLED is looking much better right now.

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            July 15, 2021 10:40 AM

            Yea if I had to choose I'd go for the switch I think, but both eventually would be good!

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          July 15, 2021 10:47 AM

          The need to integrate the Steam Controller's touchpads in addition to traditional sticks and a d-pad is a tough challenge.

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      July 15, 2021 10:36 AM

      Looks dope. How good is steam’s streaming performance nowadays?

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      July 15, 2021 10:38 AM

      IGN hands on. https://youtu.be/oLtiRGTZvGM

      Seems to be a more powerful Switch. You can even hook it to a monitor w/ m+kb. Pretty sweet for $400. I'll probably grab one.

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        July 15, 2021 10:55 AM

        They talk specs in that video:

        4c/8t zen 2.
        2 teraflops RDNA 2 GPU with variable rate shading and ray tracing.

        Says good enough for 720p gaming.

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      July 15, 2021 10:40 AM

      Weight Approx. 669 grams, That's kinda heavy. 1.4ish lbs. Switch is .88 lbs, so it's twice the weight.

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      July 15, 2021 10:42 AM

      My only real concern with this thing are the ergonomics. It seems bulky and heavier than something like a switch and the control placement seem different than what we are used to.

      Other than that, seems like a neat device the more I look at the specs and what it offers for the price.

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        July 15, 2021 10:43 AM

        Yep. Almost double the weight of a switch and small doll hands need not apply.

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        July 15, 2021 10:50 AM

        the control placement and ergonomics on the Switch are a nightmare precisely because they had to compromise on an optimal handheld layout (and shape) in order to support the joycons being useful as standalone controllers. I think this looks more ergonomic (bottom edges shaped for your palms while the upper edge is shaped for controls with your thumbs not held awkwardly in the middle) but that could all fall apart because of the added weight

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      July 15, 2021 10:42 AM

      Does that mean they already got bored of VR? Wikipedia says they have 360 employees. You can only do much with just a few hundred people.

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        July 15, 2021 11:02 AM

        I think they said making Alyx was just the beginning on an interview.

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          July 15, 2021 11:08 AM

          They've also said that they're going to release all 3 episodes in quick succession. Look how that turned out.

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      July 15, 2021 10:44 AM

      As someone who loves PC games but more often wants to play sitting on the couch - I am super tempted by this

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      July 15, 2021 10:46 AM

      Holy shit!

      It can be used as a desktop too!!!

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      July 15, 2021 10:51 AM

      Oh fuck it has a dock? I might end up picking one of these up!

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        July 15, 2021 1:08 PM

        No dock, they haven't shown it yet but it will be a separate purchase. They said any USB 3.0 breakout will work though

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          July 15, 2021 2:47 PM

          Really curious how well it seamlessly switches to TV display compared to Switch. I don't expect it to be perfect, but that would be a killer bonus if it worked well and I could use my steam controllers.

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      July 15, 2021 10:52 AM

      Dang. I was really hoping it would be a local streaming device centered around a high hz oled.

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        July 15, 2021 10:52 AM

        Me too! But I guess I have my laptop or tablet for that

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      July 15, 2021 10:53 AM

      Sooo...how long until they abandon this bit of hardware?

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        July 15, 2021 11:03 AM

        They good thing is this is a tiny PC, seems you can even out windows on it if you want, so even if they abandon it it will still work.

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      July 15, 2021 10:54 AM

      I'm super tempted here.

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        July 15, 2021 4:35 PM

        Same - I can't afford a new gaming PC with the current chip shortage yet my current rig is a total potato, so this would be a significant upgrade.

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      July 15, 2021 10:55 AM

      "Valve told me they were looking at ways to cloud-save suspended games"

      From IGN's hands on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLtiRGTZvGM

      Man, if they could figure out a way to do that in Steam, that'd be huge. That's the new Xbox's killer feature.

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      July 15, 2021 10:56 AM

      Analog Triggers! Portable Trials!

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      July 15, 2021 10:59 AM

      Do we think this will have suspend?

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        July 15, 2021 11:07 AM

        Yep, IGN hands on video says there's suspend like Switch. Also, says Valve is working on cloud saving suspended games to play on other platforms which is cool.

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          July 15, 2021 11:09 AM

          Whoa, man, want :(

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            July 15, 2021 11:15 AM

            Yeah, I called that one out above, too. It'd be massive if they could do it. Especially if they could figure out a way to do it cross machine, though that might be asking too much (or require identical settings).

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      July 15, 2021 11:01 AM

      Valve is good with their timing on announcements, since Switch OLED preorders go live in an hour. I believe they did the same thing with their Index, announcing shortly before Oculus preorders happened.

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        July 15, 2021 11:03 AM

        Thankfully they are doing a reserve system

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          July 15, 2021 11:24 AM

          For $5. Following Tesla’s example of making people put down a tiny sum to prevent spamming. Smart.

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            July 15, 2021 12:20 PM

            Yeah and they restrict the reserve to those who have actually bought a game on Steam before this June. Those who haven't can only reserve it a few days later.

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      July 15, 2021 11:04 AM

      Wonder if the anti-glare screen will be worth it?

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        July 15, 2021 11:10 AM

        More than that it's the NVME which is not present in the base model, only the other 2

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          July 15, 2021 11:16 AM

          Yeah, the middle one seems like a good value proposition. Dunno why Valve says that the highest one is faster if it's the same drive but bigger.

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            July 15, 2021 11:17 AM

            Depending on the NVME drive they chose it can work that way.

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            July 15, 2021 11:19 AM

            Seems the big one also comes with carrying case?

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            July 15, 2021 3:48 PM

            Look over some nvme SSD reviews. Larger capacities usually perform better than smaller capacity models. Usually has to do with having more storage modules to distribute the data across.

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        July 15, 2021 1:07 PM

        If its like the etched anti-reflection screen on the Apple XDR 6k display then yes, those are terrific

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      July 15, 2021 11:04 AM

      As this thing is also open, you can RETROGAME on it!!

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      July 15, 2021 11:04 AM

      How many backlog icons can fit on the screen at once I wonder

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      July 15, 2021 11:05 AM

      Another piece of hardware from Valve to over hype, under support and under deliver.

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        July 15, 2021 9:32 PM

        Man they are totally forcing everyone to buy it too...oh wait

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          July 15, 2021 9:53 PM

          How dare people want it to be good!

          People like the specs, I think the specs are great (even if the ergonomics look typically bad and the industrial design sucks like their other hardware), but Valve's track record isn't the best when it comes to reliable support and maintenance. Its not dogshit like Google but they definitely suffer from hoping that key staff members don't abandon whatever project they're on because they become interested in something else.

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            July 15, 2021 9:57 PM

            Lol... im more outraged that they cannot count to three with their software. You buy their hardware that shit is on you.

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              July 15, 2021 9:59 PM

              Their issues with hardware and software are interlinked, the results of their structure

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                July 15, 2021 10:02 PM

                Although apparently that's changing. No idea if they're silently mandating that products get supported but they're doing better with Dota 2 recently.

                It is wild that they pioneered games-as-service but then end up doing way worse than Riot, Blizzard, Respawn, basically everyone else in terms of longterm support because there was no mandate to keep all-hands on a game after it had entered maintenance/support mode.

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      July 15, 2021 11:07 AM

      i'm kinda disappointed this isn't a streaming device?

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        July 15, 2021 11:08 AM

        There's already quite a few of those devices on the market though?

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        July 15, 2021 11:17 AM

        It'll probably let you stream, big picture already lets you stream, this wouldn't be too difficult to implement

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        July 15, 2021 11:19 AM

        It's a full fledged PC based on SteamOS, I'm sure it will be able to stream.

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        July 15, 2021 2:40 PM

        If you have an iPhone then get a Backbone, its terrific: https://playbackbone.com/

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      July 15, 2021 11:17 AM

      That hardware and 720p is a perfect match. And it's like a portable PC!

      256GB pre-orderd!

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        July 15, 2021 11:20 AM

        MY ALL DECKED OUT STEAM DECK

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          July 15, 2021 12:10 PM

          ALMOST!
          I need this thing, and even if i don't need it i still need it.. also i can see this as a stupid easy, semi cheap very portable PC for simple desktop work..

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      July 15, 2021 11:18 AM

      Not seeing anything about Freesync. I assume it will have it though, running a game at 40 or 45 fps will be a nice smoothness:fidelity compromise.

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      July 15, 2021 11:24 AM

      No kickstand?

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      July 15, 2021 11:25 AM

      "This item is not available for reservation in your country" oh good this again

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      July 15, 2021 11:26 AM

      Yeah this is everything I wanted in a portable console. It’s almost what the switch was going for with the extended third party library, but having access to my own steam library is amazing.

      If they can get steam cloud suspensions saves working, omg.

      This also works as a multiplayer lan party 2nd computer. Hell yea.

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        July 15, 2021 11:42 AM

        plus access to pretty much anything else that runs under linux, including ALL THE RETROGAMING

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      July 15, 2021 11:26 AM

      GabeN interview: https://youtu.be/4FXgDAF6QpM

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        July 15, 2021 12:04 PM

        When he says performance was the first concern and that hitting the price point was “painful” is he saying that they are selling these at a loss in order to “grow the PC game ecosystem?”

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          July 15, 2021 12:49 PM

          Not necessarily. It's probably just that there was a lot of work in getting the performance they knew they needed into that price point.

          I'm sure there was a bunch of back and forth on the configuration of the APU, the screen resolution, RAM and storage, etc.

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      July 15, 2021 11:58 AM

      Haha any bets on how loud the fan will be?

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        July 15, 2021 12:00 PM

        Seriously, and the heat, and battery life, charges, replaceable battery? etc.

        It’s a step in the right direction.

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      July 15, 2021 12:11 PM

      waiting for the Steam Desk Pro

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      July 15, 2021 12:12 PM

      IGN Hands On
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLtiRGTZvGM

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      July 15, 2021 12:56 PM

      I also wonder if they ever considered going with a 4k or 5k screen, to allow variable resolutions with transparent scaling.

      Like you could play shit from the first decade in 4k, play PS4 era stuff at 900p or 1080p, play new games at 720p or 540p.

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        July 15, 2021 12:57 PM

        i'm sure they did, and then they remembered it has to sell for a reasonable price

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        July 15, 2021 1:05 PM

        Unlike Sony or Nintendo, they aren’t assured to recoup costs from game sales.

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          July 15, 2021 1:06 PM

          how so? Surely the type of person buying this is going to buy a bunch of Steam games and likely some different ones than they otherwise might've now that they have a reason to play more portable friendly games

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            July 15, 2021 1:14 PM

            Nintendo and Sony get a cut from every game sold, while Valve is but one PC vendor.

            Yes, chances are people will buy games through Steam, but with sales and PC games usually being less expensive then that cut is smaller and more risky.

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      July 15, 2021 1:05 PM

      Looks great! I don’t have a use for it but that’s a great price for the hardware.

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      July 15, 2021 1:14 PM

      Lots to unpack. Button and d-pad layout seems terrible but a friend who tried it (their BIL is on the hardware team) says its more comfortable than it looks.

      Weight and battery life are big ooofs. Its also pretty butt ugly. I wish Sony made something like this, they have better ID for their VR HMD and I know that the Vita (or the DS or 3DS XL or Switch for that matter) looks much more appealing than this.

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        July 15, 2021 1:17 PM

        Honestly, I'm way more interested in this for plugging into hotel TVs to game on when I'm on long work trips. This would be much nicer than what I currently do with a laptop, especially since I'm considering an M1 Macbook Air or Pro in the future and it would save me having to figure out Parallels or whatever to get Windows games working on them.

        As a handheld the weight (twice as heavy as a Switch!), battery life, and sheer size aren't the best. It almost seems like more a replacement for a gaming laptop

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          July 15, 2021 1:17 PM

          Very curious how cut down this RDNA 2 APU is cut down from the PS5 and Series X

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            July 15, 2021 1:33 PM

            Found it, four cores on the Deck vs 8 cores on the PS5, PS5 GPU is capable of 10.28 teraflops while the Deck is capable of 1.6 teraflops, all pretty normal considering that the Deck has to pull 15w from a battery while the PS5 is rated for 350w (peak consumption in actual use is probably around 200w-220w).

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            July 15, 2021 1:33 PM

            Probably 11 RNDA2 CU (guess from some earlier AMD APUs) and running at 1500Mhz.
            That gives us about the 2TF they mention in the video.


            For reference
            PS5 is 36CU at 2.23GHZ which = 10.3TF
            Xbox Series X is 52CU at 1.825GHZ = 12TF
            Xbox Series S = 20CU at 1.55GHZ

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            July 15, 2021 1:34 PM

            The series S has 20 CU at 1.5ghz so this is probably 40% the performance of that with 8CU at 1.6ghz.

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              July 15, 2021 1:37 PM

              And that's not even accounting for games being more optimized on a console vs their Linux(?) versions that need to support more hardware specs.

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              July 15, 2021 3:25 PM

              Its about as powerful as I'm expecting for a Switch Pro whenever it comes out, assuming it is about as performant as an Apple A12X from a couple years ago

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        July 15, 2021 1:18 PM

        It bothers me that one of the buttons is like smeared across the side

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          July 15, 2021 1:33 PM

          Yeah :(

          Lots of concessions for those trackpads!

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      July 15, 2021 1:57 PM

      Stealing from Twitter: Why didn't they call it the Gabe Boy?

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      July 15, 2021 2:41 PM

      Ehhh, I realise this is to try to get themselves some console gamer market share, but as a non-console gamer I can’t imagine a selection of games I’d want to play less with joypad controls than my Steam Library.

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      July 15, 2021 2:46 PM

      They missed the amazing chance of calling this the GabeBoy

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      July 15, 2021 2:57 PM

      Am I the only one that couldn't give a shit about mobile / portable gaming? I just don't see the appeal in holding a big clunky device to look at games on a relatively tiny screen. By itself, this does absolutely nothing new or different. It just plays the same old games for you, on a clunky device with a tiny screen. Cool?

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        July 15, 2021 3:02 PM

        a lot of people like to play games on buses/trains/planes that are part of their regular commutes

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        July 15, 2021 3:07 PM

        I don't game on portables but but I certainly see the appeal.

        I just prefer a full tv or monitor - being in the "space" I have designated for gaming and being focused solely on the game is more up my alley.

        But I totally understand people gaming on portables, especially certain types of game. And if you commute on public transit or fly a lot, it's probably a great way to pass the time.

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          July 15, 2021 3:14 PM

          I've gotten really fond of JRPGs on portables in the last few years. I've played my New 3DS XL more in the last year than I did the three or four years preceeding it.

          It really depends!

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        July 15, 2021 6:21 PM

        I’m with you. Especially now days being home so much this seems like a poorly timed idea.

        I also like to be outside and could use the time away from screens if anything, as if I’m not already constantly on my iPhone.

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      July 15, 2021 3:16 PM

      Just broke out the Wii U gamepad and some measuring take, the Deck is two inches wider and thicker too!

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        July 15, 2021 3:18 PM

        Damn, that is chunky. And the Gamepad felt like a big boi even at launch.

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          July 15, 2021 3:19 PM

          Very comfortable to hold though! Great dpad too, Wii and Wii U dpads are all top tier

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            July 15, 2021 3:21 PM

            Important to note that the Deck is about half an inch shorter, its like if you cut off the bezel with the home button on the Wii U gamepad

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            July 15, 2021 3:26 PM

            Yeah loved and still love the Wii U gamepad.

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        July 15, 2021 3:18 PM

        take tape

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      July 15, 2021 3:37 PM

      I want it. So many times I’ve wanted to play my better PC games elsewhere but didn’t want to cough up the money for a gaming laptop. This is perfect for me.

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        July 15, 2021 3:40 PM

        Its terrific as a gaming laptop replacement, especially plugging into a TV

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      July 15, 2021 3:40 PM

      Why does the B button look like a piece of pepperoni sliding off a pizza?

      https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/387515437707034625/865360985894944818/E6WiLiGWYAwjgPt.jpg

      I'm so agitated by the trackpads pushing out the actual physical UI that you use 99.9999999999999% of the time out to the margins.

      Even traditional PC devs treat gamepads as first class interface, just look at how good it is in Civilization 6!

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        July 15, 2021 3:55 PM

        Yeah I seriously feel like Valve needs to let go of trackpads.

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          July 15, 2021 4:00 PM

          It's Valve, they'll change this like a dozen times before it ships.

          Remember when the Steam Controller was going to have a little LED screen?

          https://cdn.gamer-network.net/2013/usgamer/Steam-Controller-Image-01.jpg

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            July 15, 2021 4:24 PM

            Oof at that image, but that was eons before the final product was revealed. The Deck is supposed to ship in five months, things are probably very close to final. Its certainly nothing as far from release as that prototype with the screen, no thumbsticks, and no buttons

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          July 15, 2021 4:19 PM

          Trackpads are the future, but old habits die hard.

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            July 15, 2021 4:34 PM

            Trackpads are extremely limited. There is no way to know where your finger is on one with relation to the edges without looking down. With other physical forms of control it's easy to tell where you are without looking down.

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              July 15, 2021 4:49 PM

              That's down to muscle memory.
              One of the things I was surprised about when teaching my nephew on how to use a regular Xbox controller, was how much knowledge and familiarity with it I took for granted.
              I completely forgot how much of a pain in the ass joysticks are to learn, specially for camera control, and it takes years of use to properly get the hang of and I bet most people here have forgotten that process as well.

              It's a shame Valve screwed up the launch of the Steam Controller by not giving it proper support with tutorials on how to use the device (specially in conjunction with gyro), but it's certainly one of the most accurate forms to interface with a game this side of a mouse. It took me breaking years of old habits from using common controllers (including the one you mention), but once I understood how to use it I was a convert.

              Hell, trackpads are so flexible you can even use them as multiple input sources with touch, click and gestures or to completely switch modes and change how the controller operates by simply touching a specific area, but I get it, we're talking mass market adoption here and people just want to sit down, plug and play.

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                July 15, 2021 8:55 PM

                Your first paragraph is the complete opposite of my experience. Every child I know figures out a controller in minutes and is great with it quicker than I ever was.

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        July 15, 2021 4:20 PM

        Circle on the DualSense looks about the same and noone makes that comment.

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          July 15, 2021 4:27 PM

          Probably because Sony has decades of goodwill from shipping world class consumer electronics and Valve hasn't made anything approaching a good controller.

          Even the Index wands are odd, the Index HMD still isn't as ergonomic or well balanced as the PSVR, etc. This isn't to say that the Index wands aren't horrible like the Steam Controller was, far from it, but it isn't on the level of Sony/Nintendo/MS either

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            July 15, 2021 4:29 PM

            I'm still putting money down on one btw, but the similar button/stick placement on the Index wands didn't agree with me either

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        July 15, 2021 5:56 PM

        Can you keep your chill until it's in your hands?

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      July 15, 2021 4:22 PM

      Is this my chance to have quality PC gaming while watching my toddler?

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      July 15, 2021 4:39 PM

      I feel like I've seen a million of these on amazon or something

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        July 15, 2021 4:41 PM

        not with these specs though

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          July 15, 2021 4:42 PM

          Yeah, price:performance ratio is very nice

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          July 15, 2021 4:45 PM

          oh ok sure--still kinda feels like a kickstarter type device

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            July 15, 2021 4:48 PM

            It's not much expensive than a switch and you can play steam games, I'm not buying one but I think these are a better idea than the steam boxes

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              July 15, 2021 4:54 PM

              It feels like he Wii U -> Switch, where decades of Nintendo evolution led to this convergence product. In this case it is Valve's work with SteamOS, Stream Machines, more performant APUs, as well as seeing that these markets are proven thanks to Nintendo, that makes this possible.

              The building blocks of SteamOS and Steam Machines weren't great on their own but they led to something like this that looks pretty great

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            July 15, 2021 4:59 PM

            Valve's industrial design has never been very good. Compare with something like the PlayDate: https://play.date/

            I'm not saying that Valve had to go to a company like Teenage Engineering to go that playful, but an ID firm could certainly have helped it look more like a real product than something you'd see on KS.

            I mean, compare the Deck with something like these: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/387515437707034625/865349555851886662/41e5GO31UWL.jpg

            https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/387515437707034625/865349582686912532/1331663191111_2.webp

            Ugh, its just very unappealing. It looks like it was devised by a PC Master Race type person who might actually detest gamepads lol.

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        July 15, 2021 4:42 PM

        The GPD win pretty much kick-started the recent handheld gaming PC trend but this is by far the most powerful and cheapest model.

        This is probably the closest comparison at $800 and it still uses a zen+ apu with Vega 6 graphics.

        https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ayaneo-world-s-first-7nm-handheld-gaming-device#/

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          July 15, 2021 4:43 PM

          Plus Valve will be invested in things like software compatibility, a cohesive experience out of the box, etc

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            July 15, 2021 4:51 PM

            I like that it's not a closed system, you can change the OS if you want.

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        July 15, 2021 5:23 PM

        There are a lot of them like this but not in the same class and price. However by the time the Steam Deck does ship, that could significantly change.

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      July 15, 2021 4:55 PM

      My thoughts:

      -The name is terrible. Especially since there’s a product called Stream Deck. Although they are nothing alike, I wouldn’t want my product sounding nearly identical to another populate product.

      -If it works right, it’s a pretty cool piece of tech.

      -Seems like a product no one asked for.

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      July 15, 2021 4:59 PM

      No details on Video Card, and operating system is annoying, is it windows based ? I don't understand this thing.

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      July 15, 2021 5:03 PM

      Sidejack Regarding proton

      So since Steam OS kinda failed, they must have kept it alive just for this type of application, right? Otherwise it seems like proton invalidates Steam OS on a regular PC. A dedicated game OS on PC could have a decent performance advantage, but you’d need devs to write games that take advantage of it natively. GPU manufacturers would have to support it as well.

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      July 15, 2021 5:14 PM

      The GabeGear

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      July 15, 2021 5:43 PM

      I love how they are playing Factorio in a Tesla
      https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/CQMNkCADgpgAsRVgpKWHN7-970-80.png

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      July 15, 2021 6:34 PM

      does it run windows? im confused what the purpose of this is. just a new console platform?

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        July 15, 2021 6:41 PM

        It runs SteamOS but it can also run Windows or whatever you want on it.

        Its a portable Xbox with Game Pass if you wish, also a better emulation box than the Series S. RetroArch with Dolphin, FightCade 2, potential is pretty insane.
        The question, just like with PC, is how much work one wants to put into doing that.

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          July 15, 2021 6:47 PM

          hm. i guess it could be cool if the graphics and battery life are amazing. otherwise, idgi i'd rather use my switch that weighs half as much? just struggling to think of many pc games (let alone a subsection of them that are on steamos) i'd want to play with a controller that aren't on switch. maybe wreckfest? but then does that even run on steamos?

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          July 15, 2021 8:56 PM

          It's an AMD x64 APU?

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            July 15, 2021 9:09 PM

            Yeah, Zen 2 x86 running SteamOS 3.0. Apparently what they've had going since 2019 is far more robust and better supported than prior releases

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        July 15, 2021 6:47 PM

        The purpose is to get even more people buying even more games on STEAM, duh.

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          July 15, 2021 6:48 PM

          yeah sounds about right

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        July 15, 2021 7:06 PM

        if microsoft related
        feek.like = 100
        else
        feek.like = 0

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          July 15, 2021 7:10 PM

          i think it would be more interesting with windows game compatability. like objectively

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            July 15, 2021 7:15 PM

            So buy a windows license and install windows. It's just a PC.

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              July 15, 2021 7:19 PM

              huh okay fair enough. approaching 500 dollars at that point. would like to see benchmarks !!

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                July 15, 2021 7:23 PM

                On paper its performance is roughly in-line with a PS4 or Xbox One. Practically speaking we'll see how optimized SteamOS is towards this hardware, how performant Proton is in translating Windows games to Linux on this, what the difference in performance in between Windows and SteamOS (I assume it'll depend game by game).

                A big plus is that the screen is 720p, so this hardware should be able to run anything well at that resolution in portable mode. Only downside is that the most demanding games will run the battery down in two hours, understandable but also very low from a practical standpoint.

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      July 15, 2021 7:20 PM

      Hopefully the people at valve who made this won’t get bored with it too quickly and go do something else.

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        July 15, 2021 8:11 PM

        Each one is preloaded with Half-Life 3

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          July 15, 2021 8:14 PM

          Half-Life 3...exclusive to a tiny little portable screen. Yep, sounds about right!

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      July 15, 2021 10:10 PM

      The more I see it the more the huge bezels bother me.

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        July 15, 2021 10:19 PM

        Its a big boy, much larger than the Wii U gamepad, probably because they needed to accommodate cooling and the big battery for that APU. Lower quality screen than the OLED Switch too now that I think about it. Pixel density is the same but there's no mention of it being an OLED and it peaks at 450 nits.

        Its kind of wild, I love how open and performant it is but the ID is very unattractive and the ergo looks questionable. I'll have to get my hands to judge the latter but I wasn't a big fan of the Steam Controller or Index VR controllers either.

        It being an open platform on top of the instant Steam library are very exciting though, so exciting I wish this was more like a small Apple TV type box instead. Mobile tech is moving fast and its conceivable that Nvidia could already have a comparable Tegra based on where Apple GPU performance was a few years ago. I imagine that this is about where Switch Pro performance lies whenever it comes out.

        But yeah, big bezels

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      July 15, 2021 10:25 PM

      What an amazing device. I can wait to get that sweet piece in my hands.

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      July 15, 2021 10:42 PM

      Looking forward to picking one up for $20 on clearance to sit on the shelf with my other Valve hardware.

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        July 16, 2021 2:05 AM

        Joking aside, this is what has me hesitant. If it turns out to be good and does well I'll probably grab one whenever I'm back to travelling regularly for work.

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      July 15, 2021 11:10 PM

      Think this will even do as well as the Vita? I'm definitely not gonna hold my breath.

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      July 15, 2021 11:31 PM

      I just checked my Steam library and I have a couple of games that won't fit the 64GB version. Horizon Zero Dawn is 67GB, so is HL:Alyx but that's a VR game so doesn't apply here. Cyberpunk 2077 is 62GB. Even Witcher 3 is 50GB. The starting price is basically $529.

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        July 16, 2021 1:20 AM

        Or a MicroSD card for those games that gets to big.

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      July 15, 2021 11:51 PM

      I'm sure it'll find its niche but I don't see it selling very well. It costs a lot and most people interested in handheld gaming got Switches. There are also other similar products like Razer Edge, I don't know if they did set the world on fire.

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        July 16, 2021 1:24 AM

        This is backed by Steam and the huge library that Steam users already have access to. And with those specs you can actually run everything at looking good settings without watching a stop motion video. It is the perfect Switch upgrade, keep the switch for those Nintendo exclusives, and instead of buying nerf´d to death PC ports you just play them on the Deck instead.

        I think the Niche will be substantial.

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      July 16, 2021 2:43 AM

      Honestly, I'm not too sure about this, as someone usually hyped about Valve hardware. Nintendo kind of designs their games with bigger interfaces to account for the handheld screen, but most PC games seem like they'd look tiny on that screen. My Google Pixel 3 XL is 6.3 inches, not that much smaller than the SteamDeck's 7 inch, 800p screen!

      I have Baldur's Gate on the aforementioned phone but I never actually want to play it on here because it's far too tiny. I saw that screenshot of Factorio but oof, that would be tiny tiny. TINY! TOO TINY!

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        July 16, 2021 2:44 AM

        now, this machine's best feature would I guess be to function as an ultra-portable laptop to plug in. Like for example an ultra-portable Jackbox Games machine. That's where I think this device would really shine and carve out a niche, as kind of a portable plug-in party device.

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