Report: PS4 Pro does not support 4K Blu-Ray

Sony's 4K console can stream 4K video content, but it can't play it from discs.

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At today's PlayStation Meeting in New York City, Shacknews editor-in-chief Steve Watts confirmed that Sony's PS4 Pro, the long-rumored upgrade to 2013's PlayStation 4, will not play 4K Blu-Rays.

PS4 Pro owners won't be entirely without 4K capabilities. The console can stream 4K video content through sources such as an expanded Netflix app that will launch day and date with the console.

Sony executives unveiled both the PS4 Slim and PS4 Pro earlier this afternoon. PS4 Slim is a more compact version of 2013's console, and will launch next week on September 15 for $299. PS4 Pro sports an updated CPU, GPU, and memory, and will launch for $399 on November 10.

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    September 7, 2016 1:32 PM

    David Craddock posted a new article, Report: PS4 Pro does not support 4K Blu-Ray

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      September 7, 2016 1:48 PM

      Boourns

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      September 7, 2016 1:50 PM

      This is insane, they must be really really focused on price. Naturally Microsoft will have a harder time dropping 4k Blu-ray from the Scorpio with the little brother having it which puts pressure on price.

      Hmmmm what to do

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        September 8, 2016 5:30 AM

        What's weird is that the Xbox One S already has 4K Bluray, and that's $299.

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      September 7, 2016 2:25 PM

      I call that lame Sony, but I am still buying this bad boy!

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      September 7, 2016 2:30 PM

      Wtf stupid. Typical Sony over site

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      September 7, 2016 2:41 PM

      Bizarre. I wonder what their reasoning is.

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        September 7, 2016 2:49 PM

        Meeting that $399 price point would be my guess.

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          September 7, 2016 3:14 PM

          I dont understand how supporting 4k blurays would drive the cost tho. It already has a bluray drive and is capable of outputting 4k

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            September 7, 2016 3:29 PM

            The new UHD blu ray discs are encoded in a different format and require a different drive to read. The new drives can read both discs but the older drives only can read blu ray discs. They cost more than an older blu ray only drive does right now.

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          September 7, 2016 5:57 PM

          Xbox One S supports it and is $299.

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            September 7, 2016 7:19 PM

            Ummm. Xbox S is not the gpu and cpu upgrade.

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              September 7, 2016 7:20 PM

              And yet it supports UHD Blu-ray

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                September 7, 2016 7:23 PM

                Are you just being stupid here? Ms decided to change the drive and support it increasing their cost per unit. Sony decided not to. You can't compare S to Pro. Better comparison is to the $299 ps4 slim. I bet Sony makes more per console (if MS isn't an outright loss) and is fine with not supporting the format.

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                  September 7, 2016 7:24 PM

                  Are you being stupid here? People want different things out of their consoles. For some people games are just a bonus on top of media features.

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                    September 7, 2016 7:27 PM

                    But to try to say one supports it at $299 so it can't be price as to why Sony isn't supporting at $399 on a console that upgrades the gpu and cpu is being dense. They could have also changed the drive but decided to save the cost and not do it.

                    MS needs *something* to make people buy. Sony doesn't need that feature to make the sales numbers they want.

                    You can disagree with their decision, but you can't make the argument you were trying to.

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                      September 7, 2016 7:34 PM

                      Oh, btw. I'm upset it doesn't support it too.

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                      September 7, 2016 7:36 PM

                      If I don't care about games I want to buy the console that has better media support. So saying that X1S supports UHD BD and 4k streaming while PS4 Pro doesn't support UHD BD and costs $100 more is a perfectly valid comparison. You just don't think so because you care about games.

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                        September 7, 2016 7:42 PM

                        No, you are being a silly fanboy. Someone wondered why the ps4 pro is $399 and doesn't support uhd bluray playback. Someone else said (correctly), so they could get that price point. They simply couldn't swap the drive without pushing the cost too high to sell at $399 considering the other hardware changes.

                        You then said the Xbox S does it at $299. As you replied to the correct answer with this information I must assume you are trying to argue that post.

                        Again, I own both and wanted Sony to support uhd on Pro but I understand why they didn't at that price point.

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                        September 7, 2016 7:54 PM

                        if you dont care about games you buy the dedicated player that actually has dolby atmos and dtsx support

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                    September 7, 2016 7:29 PM

                    http://picturesofpeoplescanningqrcodes.tumblr.com/ change "QR" into "UHD" and add mayeb three pictures and you're good to go.

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      September 7, 2016 3:03 PM

      Does the slim support 4k netflix?

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      September 7, 2016 3:05 PM

      Booooooooooooo. Almost had a sale from me, Sony.

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      September 7, 2016 3:06 PM

      So stupid

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      September 7, 2016 3:11 PM

      Wtf

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      September 7, 2016 3:30 PM

      Weird, because event the Xbox One S does right?

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        September 7, 2016 3:32 PM

        Yes it does

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        September 7, 2016 4:08 PM

        It sure does. In fact, if I am MS I am sitting back and feeling pretty good knowing that I have Scorpio coming out next year.

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        September 7, 2016 4:13 PM

        Can anyone comment on the quality/usability of bluray player interface on the Xbox One?
        Is there any reason I shouldn't get an Xbox vs a standalone UHD blu-ray player?

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          September 7, 2016 4:37 PM

          I have no issues with it.

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          September 7, 2016 5:09 PM

          If you don't have a 4K compliant AVR a standalone player may be better. They have dual HDMI output so you can feed the 4K HDR video signal to the 4k TV and then HDMI to the receiver for HD audio.

          Since the Xbox One S only has one HDMI output you'd have to feed that to the 4K TV and send stereo audio (or maybe lossy DD or DTS) to your receiver over optical. If you go from the Xbox one S to a non-4K receiver you'll be stuck with 1080p.

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            September 7, 2016 5:45 PM

            No receiver here, so I don't have that problem. Thanks for pointing that out though.

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        September 7, 2016 4:20 PM

        Yes, for $100 less with a pack-in

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        September 7, 2016 4:21 PM

        This suggests not to me: https://twitter.com/Xbox/status/773608657007280128

        Is it 4k (Streaming & BR) or (4k Streaming) & (BR) ?

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        September 7, 2016 7:16 PM

        Yup. And you can get some nice bunbles for $300 right now.

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        September 7, 2016 7:33 PM

        Scorpio might...not!?

        Xbox representatives were quick to point out the absence of a 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray drive in the PlayStation 4 Pro. When pressed about the inclusion of a UHD Blu-ray drive in Scorpio, Penello said the console would have one, though a Microsoft spokesperson clarified that it is the company's "intention to deliver it."


        http://www.polygon.com/2016/9/7/12841596/microsoft-xbox-scorpio-playstation-4-ps4-pro-more-powerful

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          September 7, 2016 9:02 PM

          They'll do it. They are just being cagey about final specs.

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            September 7, 2016 9:06 PM

            Does it cost that much more? I think Scorpio can't be a penny more than $399 or they're XB1-ing again.

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              September 7, 2016 9:14 PM

              There's nothing special about the drive. It just has to be able to sustain the data rate for 4K. Otherwise it's just a regular BR. I mean all the decoding is done on the GPU/CPU end.

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                September 7, 2016 9:15 PM

                So when MSFT orders millions of them from wherever, it's literally the same cost as whatever blu ray drive they are putting into the XB1 right now?

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                  September 7, 2016 9:15 PM

                  No idea, but obviously they aren't super pricey or they wouldn't be in the S.

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                    September 7, 2016 9:16 PM

                    ahh, good point. Think there's any chance they launch Scorpio above $399?

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                      September 7, 2016 9:19 PM

                      If they learned their lesson by getting spanked by Sony and the PS4 launch.

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                    September 8, 2016 5:29 AM

                    Or they've decided to eat that extra cost. Standalone players are $300+ still, the drive must not be a standard BR drive.

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                      September 8, 2016 5:31 AM

                      Quick google search says one type of BR drive for PC has been able to "see" (not play) a fox uhd br so who knows. Most don't detect anything.

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      September 7, 2016 4:01 PM

      wtfffffff

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      September 7, 2016 4:04 PM

      Lame, I'm been holding off on buying a UHD player with the hopes that the PS4 update would play the format.

      ...So the Xbox One S does? I guess I'll get one of those instead.

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      September 7, 2016 4:06 PM

      Haha, this doesn't seem like it's actually capable of 4K.

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        September 7, 2016 4:17 PM

        Well, a GTX 1080 isn't so of course the PS4 Pro isn't.

        It's all about upscaling, it will be able to upscale to 4k which is still a pretty big deal.

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          September 7, 2016 4:24 PM

          Is there a TL;DR on this process? The difference between upscaling vs native? I, embarrassingly, am a little ignorant to this.

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            September 7, 2016 4:34 PM

            Upscaling is simply "stretching" the pixels of a lower resolution to fill the higher-resolution screen. Usually TV's and video cards will apply a bilinear filter that smooths and blurs the transition between the odd shaped pixels, since you're not getting a 1:1 ratio (1440p doesn't divide evenly into 2160p/4k)

            The PS4 Pro will take this one step further by applying a special anti-aliasing that should look much smoother and less blurry than simple bilinear filtering.

            The Unreal Engine 4 is currently capable of this sort of thing, seen here:

            https://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/Engine/Performance/Scalability/ScalabilityReference/index.html#resolutionscale

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              September 7, 2016 4:55 PM

              Okay so this is exactly how resolution scaling is done with most pixel 2D games, actually. Then I guess I don't see the point of doing this then. What benefit is there?

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                September 7, 2016 5:01 PM

                there isn't one

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                September 7, 2016 5:01 PM

                The console upscaling to 4K should have less input lag than relying on your 4K TV.

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                September 7, 2016 5:26 PM

                What's the point? That's a strange question.

                The PS4 Pro isn't powerful enough to hit true 4k with the desired lighting, effects, and geometry, so they use a lower resolution and upscale to 4k when played on a 4k TV. Not sure why that should be confusing or counter-intuitive.

                And actually most 2D low-res games use nearest-neighbor instead of bilinear filtering, to keep the pixel-art looking as intended.

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              September 7, 2016 5:02 PM

              It's 1080, which does divide evenly.

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                September 7, 2016 5:28 PM

                What is 1080?

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                  September 7, 2016 5:39 PM

                  Current games are 1080 not 1440. 1080 divides evenly into 2160/4k resolution. Its not really upscaling anything. It will just be a 4 square of pixels where it would normally be one square pixel. I don't see the point.

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                    September 7, 2016 5:51 PM

                    Current games aren't all 1080p, most Frostbite-based EA games run at 900p and are upscaled.

                    And when the PS4 Pro comes out, I think many are going to be running higher than 1080p, at least that's what it sounds like based on the conference.

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        September 7, 2016 4:21 PM

        It's capable of upressing to 4k....

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        September 7, 2016 5:44 PM

        I really don't think it's out of the question that a title running at 1080p60 wouldn't be able to run at least at 2160p30 given faster hardware.

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      September 7, 2016 4:24 PM

      Quoting from the Verge: Sony reasons that consumers won't mind because the PS4 Pro is "primarily for gaming."

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        September 7, 2016 4:42 PM

        It worked well for them the first time and this round again, they've out played Microsoft (who is going to release a more expensive device) .

        The console is mainly for gamers to play games, that seems to be established. And I'm sure they have the numbers that prove it.

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      September 7, 2016 4:43 PM

      24 (PS2); 12 (PS3) ; 4 (PS4). avg number of disc-based movies played per year on each console.

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        September 7, 2016 4:44 PM

        I still want the option, especially if I go all in on 4k, very stupid of sony when MS is offering it

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          September 7, 2016 5:02 PM

          wait, do I need to buy a new receiver in addition to a new TV for 4K?

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            September 7, 2016 5:03 PM

            Yes if it currently doesn't support hdmi 2.0 and full 4k

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              September 7, 2016 5:04 PM

              lol. Things this tech nerd isn't doing: going all-in on 4K any time soon.

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              September 7, 2016 5:10 PM

              Not necessarily. The Samsung and Phillips UHD Blu-ray players have dual output. Video direct to the HDTV and the audio direct to your older receiver.

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                September 7, 2016 5:46 PM

                Two cables to/from the tv? Disgusting third world shit

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                September 7, 2016 7:35 PM

                via two HDMI cables?

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                  September 7, 2016 9:13 PM

                  Yes. The UHD blu-ray players have dual output so they can maintain separate HDMI and HDCP specs. This way the video output maintains HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 which is required for 4K video output.

                  The audio HDMI output will handshake will older specs for just audio output to your receiver so you can still get TrueHD, DTS HD, dolby atmos, or whatever HD audio spec is on the disc.

                  It's not all that different from the early Blu-ray players. They had HDMI and analog 5.1 output so you could send HDMI direct to the HDTV and 5.1 (or 7.1) via RCA to an older receivers analog 5.1 input.

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            September 7, 2016 8:04 PM

            My Onkyo from 2012 supports 4K pass through. Not "full support" for 4K like newer receivers but it means no need for another cable from 4K source direct to the TV.

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        September 7, 2016 8:35 PM

        i honestly can't remember the last time i put in a bluray disc.

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        September 8, 2016 6:21 AM

        Physical media is still pretty popular in many areas. Not everyone has the bandwith, especially for huge 4K movie files.

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      September 7, 2016 5:33 PM

      4K'D

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      September 7, 2016 5:51 PM

      Haha they just trashed their own standard. No one wants to buy a uni-tasker physical disc media player in 2016. I thought BR4K would be a nice minor feature to get out of a PS4 Pro purchase, but there's no way I'm buying a standalone player just for BR4K. Especially after the experience of the original few years of BR standalone players. This might be one small choice that puts a dagger in physical media for good.

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      September 7, 2016 6:49 PM

      This seems like a bad decision when even the Xbox One S can do it. People were banking on these 4k consoles supporting 4k BDs, but I suppose it gives them the opportunity to do a Pro "Slim" revision with 4k UHD support in a few years. So that's cool.

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      September 7, 2016 7:19 PM

      I was literally on the fence of buying a new console just for video streaming *and* light capabilities for local media. Xbox One Slim looks *just* a little bit better now. Everyone seems happy with the PS service (minus the cost), but it seems like the X1 streaming options are similar in price.

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      September 7, 2016 7:46 PM

      Despite the 4K movement not being very strong and possibly gimmicky, this seems like a big blunder