Morning Discussion

StarCraft II has killed video game news, or at least stunned it. Who wants to go up against the mighty SC2? Who can even pull themselves away from SC2 to do anything newsworthy? Hopefully we'll have a little more going on today but honestly, I want the end of the day to come as soon as possible so I can dive back into the campaign.

If you're looking for a video or computer game to play, give The Curfew a bash. It's a browser game written by Kieron Gillen--video games journalist, comics writer, and Rock, Paper, Shotgun chap--set in an oppressive near-future Britain. Stuck in a safehouse with some top-secret information to conceal, you need to figure out who you can trust. I've yet to play it myself--busy with StarCraft II, naturally--but he's a pleasant sort and makes good words so I'll be right on it after I resolve a minor Zerg situation.

From The Chatty
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    July 30, 2010 5:10 AM

    Friday Morning Minecraft FUCK YEAH Thread!
    at0micgarden Is Doing All the Work Edition!

    (FUCK YEAHHHH!)

    - SURVIVAL MULTIPLAYER NEXT WEEK OH MY GOD
    http://notch.tumblr.com/post/875499109/im-going-all-gaga-now-1000-sales-in-24-hours
    "In more concrete news, I noticed that BIGJam starts next week. I will release the SMP server before I leave for that."

    - Seecret Friday Update is today! The actual post isn't up yet, but you can check Notch's blog until it is!
    http://notch.tumblr.com

    - Speaking of Notch and the Friday Update, at0micgarden tipped me off that powered minecarts might be making an appearance!
    http://twitter.com/Inacio_/status/19841162268
    http://twitter.com/xnotch/status/19841283041


    - Speaking of powered minecarts, here is this cool thing that ZTac found!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwXTQHlACE8

    - On the topic of cool things, at0micgarden found a PC Gamer interview with Notch!
    http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/07/29/community-heroes-notch-for-minecraft/

    - http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=23589530#itemanchor_23589530
    http://www.shackpics.com/files/Canwefixit_09sw3fkdq9827287nn2l.png (Very tall image!)

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      July 30, 2010 5:11 AM

      The Best of the Past!

      - (via Haxim) Like Minecraft, but hate that your saves are locked to a single computer? Minecraft Save Manager is a program (currently in beta) that will auto-sync your saves with an external hosting service so you can play on the go!
      http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=20119
      I haven’t tried this out, so I can’t really say anything else about it!

      - Cool story from at0micgarden about playing Minecraft! Exploration! Adventure!
      http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=23591770#itemanchor_23591770

      - Zek raises an interesting point!
      http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=23592535#itemanchor_23592535

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        July 30, 2010 5:37 AM

        Yah, so ... thanks to your shackmessage I bought Minecraft :D

        Anyways, I use Dropbox to sync my games. Simply make a Minecraft folder on my dropbox folder, copy the "Saves" directory from %appdata%\.minecraft to that folder

        Then create a symbolic link and all done.

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      July 30, 2010 5:11 AM

      Beginner’s Guides to Minecraft, links courtesy of at0micgarden!
      - (Work in Progress) Guide to Alpha!
      http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=17021

      - How to Survive Your First Night!
      http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=19065

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        July 30, 2010 3:01 PM

        I'm going to try it today! yay Saturday!

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      July 30, 2010 5:11 AM

      Two first posts in the chatty and both are Minecraft related. Game OWNZ

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      July 30, 2010 5:11 AM

      Creative Multiplayer Server! run by our very own MercFox1!
      http://www.minecraft.net/play.jsp?server=a16f86bfc644bae85cba8ff2e7edf027

      For those who are unaware, Creative mode for Minecraft is what the Alpha form of the game grew out of! Features include:
      - Instant placing/ removing of blocks
      - An inventory that gives you instant access to all block types (press B to open it!)
      - The sponge block! Place it near water to make the water go away! It looks a bit like spoiled cheese, all yellow with black dots on it.
      - Totally safe water! It will expand to fill any space, and there is an unlimited amount of it! You won't take drowning damage, as there isn't any health bar in Creative, but it will fuck up your builds something fierce! it also poses no threat to you in any way!
      - No fall damage!
      - Giant pink cocks shooting rainbows jizzum into the air! ONLY ON SHACKNEWS EAST

      Happy ending!

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        July 30, 2010 7:51 AM

        So how does this server work? Every time I click the link, it just loads a single player map and I'm in creative mode. It doesn't seem like it's multiplayer.

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          July 30, 2010 7:52 AM

          You need to be registered to join I believe.

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            July 30, 2010 8:04 AM

            Registered to the server or have bought the game? I have an account there and have the alpha.

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              July 30, 2010 8:06 AM

              Logged into the minecraft.net webpage.

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                July 30, 2010 8:12 AM

                I'm logged in, but when I click the link, it shows "Generating terrain" and the regular start up messages, then throws me into the game which doesn't seem like the multiplayer, unless I'm spawning somewhere really far away from everything.

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          July 30, 2010 7:53 AM

          It doesn't seem like multiplayer because there are no other players there because nobody wants to play with you because you touch yourself at night.

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        July 30, 2010 12:51 PM

        Link doesn't work.

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        July 30, 2010 1:08 PM

        God damn static routing isn't working

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        July 30, 2010 1:59 PM

        It should work now, my computer restarted itself last night.

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        July 30, 2010 3:28 PM

        holy shit this is crazy, its like multiplayer lego

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          July 30, 2010 3:59 PM

          I'm pretty sure I just fucked up all sorts of architecture on the server. BTW, you guys have some issues. I felt like Dom Cobb in a dream where the architect was severely retarded. And I built a giant middle finger out of leaves.

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        July 30, 2010 8:35 PM

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      July 30, 2010 5:17 AM

      These posts are getting better and better. Keep up with it Dongman! Also i need to post some screenies of my stuff at some point.

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        July 30, 2010 5:24 AM

        Yu oshould do that! The only reason these posts are improving is because you guys are providing me with a greater amount and a higher quality of material to work with! Everything falls apart otherwise!

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          July 30, 2010 5:28 AM

          Ha ha, talking about quality and I start the post with a horrible looking spacing error. ++Points!

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      July 30, 2010 5:23 AM

      I finished Olympus v1.0 last night.

      This is a shot from my original base on ground level. It's very high up.
      http://www.shackpics.com/files/GroundJPG_6pqbbms8mc973vcgqo6j.jpg

      I was pretty pleased with how the pathway turned out.
      http://www.shackpics.com/files/LandingJPG_dv71csnbzjrj7wteh8lv.jpg

      Tall building is tall.
      http://www.shackpics.com/files/FrontJPG_d3fjzbweb3xfmrbn5cv9.jpg

      I tried to do a split staircase design. It turned out well for the most part, but unfortunately you can't put a half block ONLY on the top half of a space.
      http://www.shackpics.com/files/StairwayJPG_qd26cdpz5bqaep75l6st.jpg

      A shot of the second floor interior, with balcony.
      http://www.shackpics.com/files/SecondFloorJPG_wghhajarbc0l821scrh3.jpg

      A shot from the balcony looking at the original base (vantage point in shot #1)
      http://www.shackpics.com/files/BelowJPG_3sblfu6jodluum9i3z3f.jpg

      Bonus creepy night shot! I'm not sure how well this one turned out.
      http://www.shackpics.com/files/NightJPG_u4zmufgzctey5o6gv8zf.jpg

      I'm going to try to reform this a little and make it a bit more circular and the 'dome' less Empire State Building-ish.

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        July 30, 2010 5:29 AM

        God damn this looks cool! Do you have any plans to build more thing onto it, or even more buildings in the same style? I really like this!

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          July 30, 2010 5:31 AM

          Yes, I believe that one is going to be my main building, and after I 'round' it off, I'm going to put a few floating walkways ending in smaller acropolis-styled buildings. I'm trying to think of ways to work redstone in, but the openness of the buildings doesn't really lend itself to that.

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        July 30, 2010 5:38 AM

        COOL! I love those damn half-steps.

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        July 30, 2010 6:40 AM

        Did you have a hand in chiseling out that mountain at all, or was that height natural? You should make all the open walls glass ;)

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          July 30, 2010 6:42 AM

          Nope, the mountain was totally natural, that's why I picked it. If anything, I was considering removing some of the pillars to make it more open, though that might be achieved when I round it out. I want it to feel a little 'dangerous'.

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            July 30, 2010 7:30 AM

            Good for you. I've been spending a lot of time planning out little changes to the landscape. I'm trying to alter as little as possible, and run sky-bridges around the whole thing.

            I rendered up a height map with that mapping app thing last night but I forgot to email it to myself :(

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      July 30, 2010 5:36 AM

      We should set up some gallery or something where we could host our screenshots for Minecraft and have it arranged by categories (etc castles, rollercoasters, caves, cartograph screens)

      Naw nevermind that sounds like too much work, off to shackpics!

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      July 30, 2010 5:55 AM

      Holy crap... 37,906 people bought the game, that's $492,778 earned so far for a game that's still in alpha!

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        July 30, 2010 5:57 AM

        Oh those were old stats, he's up to 39,328 -> $511,264! At this rate he'll be a millionaire before the game goes gold.

        • Zek legacy 10 years
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          July 30, 2010 6:03 AM

          He mentioned he's looking to hire people, I think he's probably going to put that into making an indie startup eventually.

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            July 30, 2010 6:10 AM

            Oh man a team of people under his creative control would be fantastic

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            July 30, 2010 6:21 AM

            Yeah reading that interview it sounds like he definitely needs someone to take care of the business end of things (accounting, swag, plushies, etc), let him focus on programming.

            IMHO he should source out a real artist too. The game art is kitschy but he's admittedly very much not an artist.

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          July 30, 2010 6:22 AM

          That's so awesome. I love it when indie devs get rewarded for making a great game that didn't require millions of dollars & years of time to make.

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      July 30, 2010 6:04 AM

      Powered minecarts would be sweet, and an acceptable alternative to elevators.

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        July 30, 2010 6:19 AM

        Wait, elevators???
        My elevators are holding spacebar and right click while looking straight down with stone equipped.

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          July 30, 2010 6:24 AM

          Noob! Use mud it's easier to break down and not used for anything else! ;)

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            July 30, 2010 6:26 AM

            What would be cool: merge slime balls to make a slime block that is bouncy! You could trampoline your way all over the place.

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              July 30, 2010 6:28 AM

              Also, would be great for a fall-bag. Would make placing precarious blocks much less stressful.

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                July 30, 2010 6:32 AM

                This is a grand idea. Be able to put green ooze around the ground in case you're working at high heights around that area.

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              July 30, 2010 7:33 AM

              Even better is a slime that follows you around and you feed it different flavored jellybeans to turn him into different things. :D

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      July 30, 2010 6:15 AM

      Ha...thanks DP. A lot of the links were originally posted by others here so I can't take all the credit. But I am indeed freakishly obsessed with this game.

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      July 30, 2010 6:29 AM

      posted in another thread before noticing this one
      If Minecraft graphics were updated to be at least on par with WoW, would people like it MORE or LESS? Are the blocky graphics part of the appeal?

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        July 30, 2010 6:32 AM

        Hard to say, I already easily immerse myself in the world. However the Zelda pack look stunning from the screenshots (I totally need to install that).

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        July 30, 2010 6:33 AM

        I'd vote less.. I like the current look because I can fill in the blanks with my mind.. kinda like a book

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          July 30, 2010 6:57 AM

          Yeah, I agree. The game would be a very hard sell to the main stream gamers who tend to be graphics whores. I love the look/feel of Minecraft. Yes, the graphics in truth are kind of crappy but I think it adds to the charm.

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            July 30, 2010 7:01 AM

            Playing the old version really turned me off from it. Having infinite blocks of all kinds just made the game feel pointless. Survival and having to gather the materials really makes you feel great for building something.

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              July 30, 2010 7:04 AM

              Yeah, the classic version was amusing but kind of boring. I'm sure some enjoyed it but I like the exploration side of things more. I keep saying I'm going to start some serious building but I spend all of my time lurking in caves.

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          July 30, 2010 7:20 AM

          I've never understood the saying with being able to fill in the blanks like a book.

          If I was reading a book and then there were just chapters ripped out of the book I would be confused as hell (and would send it right back to Amazon)

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            July 30, 2010 7:26 AM

            Well a book doesn't really ever tell you everything]. does it? You imagine most of the details.

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            July 30, 2010 7:27 AM

            It's not necessarily filling in the blanks. It's more like seeing a flip-book animation versus a Disney feature film. It's still an animation and you are getting the basic representation of what the artist is trying to convey, but not a fully fleshed out, detailed, exact vision like "this is what I want you to see". It's like walking into a town made of legos. It's obviously not "real" so you have to pretend it is.

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              July 30, 2010 7:33 AM

              Ahhhh that makes more sense

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        July 30, 2010 7:27 AM

        i play dungeon crawl and dwarf fortress in ascii. that said, the graphics could be a bit higher-res just so it was clearer what things were supposed to be. either that, or a way to mouse over stuff and get a text description (makes way more sense)

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      July 30, 2010 6:31 AM

      Can you imagine how Notch feels right now? I mean think about it and put yourself in his shoes.

      You make some little game, Left4kDead, and it's a huge hit. You made it because you were in love with video games. All of a sudden people are emailing you, making forums about you, all because you made a little java game and it's brought them joy.

      So you decide to give them more, and make Minecraft. Then all of a sudden the moneyhats start rolling in. All the hard work you've put into building this small game is paying off.

      Each morning you wake up and check your paypal account to see $1000 more dollars, then $10,000 more dollars, and more and more.

      You start shopping for motorcycles.

      Websites across the web are screaming your game's name. Your favorite game company (valve) gives a shout-out directly to YOU and your sales increase 10 fold.

      You start shopping for houses.

      People start making mods and skins for YOUR game, because they love video games. It's a beautiful cycle and indie dev's are here to stay.

      Big publishers should take a gander at how a one man team can grab just as much of a market as some of their AA and AAA titles can, without buying every magazine/web ad imaginable.

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        July 30, 2010 6:45 AM

        This is honestly one of the reasons I am so in love with this game. It's almost inspiring. The only "one man team phenomenon" like this I can think of in recent memory (although I'm sure there are others) was Braid, and even that didn't have the same type of buzz this is getting.

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          July 30, 2010 6:55 AM

          Only thing I find more impressive is dwarf fortress. Tarn is a fucking maniac. He has amazing opinions on gameplay and where he wants his game to go. He thinks about a lot of shit. The game is horribly complex and only getting more and more everyday. It's unplayable to me, but fascinating.

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      July 30, 2010 6:37 AM

      OK so I paid for this. What the fuck do I actually do?

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        July 30, 2010 6:39 AM

        Punch things.

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        July 30, 2010 6:39 AM

        Punch a tree for wood. Punch a sheep for fun.

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        July 30, 2010 6:41 AM

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          July 30, 2010 7:32 AM

          A spider killed me and I lost all my stuff when I respawned, so this time I made a little hole in the side of a cliff and put a door in to have some shelter. How long does nighttime last?

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            July 30, 2010 7:37 AM

            oh god a skeleton is outside trying to hit me with arrows!

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              July 30, 2010 7:38 AM

              If you're just learning the ropes, you can set difficulty to peaceful. It's a big help so you can learn the game and it's mechanics without fearing rape. It's still hard, because if you want to build it, you gotta mine it still.

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            July 30, 2010 8:52 AM

            Nighttime lasts awhile, ~10 min, I usually go to my inventory and then go to a different tab on my browser.

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      July 30, 2010 6:52 AM

      So is there a reliable save backup program that is pretty intuitive? I'm gonna have to depend on one if I'm going to continue crafting. Laptop randomly overheats has made me lose 12 hours of progress so far. Hopefully there's a good program out there so I don't just quit the game.

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        July 30, 2010 6:55 AM

        I just made a batch file that copies the saved games. They're located in %appdata%\.minecraft (on Windows).

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          July 30, 2010 6:56 AM

          Hey baby. Let me see your batch. I'm probably going to end up paranoidly having to save and quit, back up, relaunch forever. Pain in my balls.

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            July 30, 2010 7:02 AM

            Don't have it here but it was just a couple lines but can be done in one:

            robocopy %appdata%\.minecraft <destination folder> /z /mir

            I had a couple extra lines to make a backup folder based on the date/time. I don't remember the commands off the top of my head but you have to strip out the slashes in the date and the colons in the time.

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              July 30, 2010 1:04 PM

              Here's my full batch file if you're still interested:

              set op=D:\minecraft_backup

              set curDate=%date%
              set curDate=%curDate:/=_% <-- changes the slashes '/' to underscores '_'

              set curTime=%time%
              set curTime=%curTime::=_% <-- changes the colon ':' to underscores '_'
              set curTime=%curTime: =0% <-- changes any spaces to a zero. Necessary at least on Win7 if you play past midnight. :) eg. Instead of outputting "00:30" it will output " 0:30". Windows still doesn't handle spaces properly (imo) so I always try to avoid them if possible

              robocopy %appdata%\.minecraft %op%\%curDate%--%curTime% /z /mir

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            July 30, 2010 7:12 AM

            Can't you just hit Escape and let the game do its save? (says saving in bottom right when I hit ESC)

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              July 30, 2010 7:13 AM

              If your computer straight crashes, it deletes your world. It's still in the folder but minecraft ignores it.

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                July 30, 2010 9:51 AM

                Hrm.. I've had OSX go down hard a few times forcing a power switch reboot while playing Minecraft and the only thing I've lost was my progress since last save. Weird.

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                July 30, 2010 11:57 AM

                I had this happen, luckily I had only been playing for 10 minutes. Now I do daily backups, if not more frequent.

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              July 30, 2010 7:15 AM

              Yeah, it will save but if his laptop is crapping out it could corrupt the saves when it crashes. There was a bit of a bug that corrupted my game world, the entire world would freeze when I tried to enter a certain section of the of the map. I lost a few hours of mining but a backup saved me from restarting from scratch.

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            July 30, 2010 2:48 PM

            Use dropbox, that's what I've been doing

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        July 30, 2010 7:04 AM

        Dropbox backs up your game as you go, with a tiny bit of lag.

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        July 30, 2010 11:30 AM

        I've seen this backup program fly by on the SA minecraft thread, haven't tried it yet myself: http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=20119

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      July 30, 2010 7:02 AM

      Last night I decided to clean up my structures a bit. I had two main bases and random entrances peppered around the countryside (from mining, losing my way, and digging upwards). I finally showed my wife this game last night and she thought it was cool, so I bought it for her (can't wait for MP), and since she is not used to playing fps games with a mouse and keyboard, she was at first having some issues getting up my shitty spiral staircases, which I had constructed in a crude "jump up the blocks" manner.

      So for the next hour or so, I tried to make my stairs handicapped accessible. It was like playing a puzzle game trying to figure out the best way to wind up the half-blocks. I finally locked into a method and ended up reconstructing all of my staircases, so I can now freely go up and down with no spacebar needed.

      Then I wanted to somehow dig a tunnel from my main base to my secondary base on what I call tree island (so many trees on this island you can barely walk on the surface). I have no fucking idea how people do this, or how you can even approximate underground base positions that are a fair distance apart without counting blocks. I knew I had to dig under a somewhat narrow piece of ocean, and I began my descent into base #1while trying to keep my mouse pointed at base #2.

      After spending around 30 minutes digging a 3x3 tunnel towards what I was praying was at least in the general vicinity of my second base, I decided to make my way to the surface and see what I had going on. Dig, dig, dig, dig, dig, dig...


      Dig....dig......dig......diggggg.......STARS! I had reached the surface.

      I was in the middle of the ocean at night on a small sand dune, my target a vast distance away. FUCK!

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      July 30, 2010 7:03 AM

      IF YOU'RE CONSIDERING BUYING MINECRAFT, READ THIS
      The price will be raised to 14.95 Euros within the next week or two. MP servers are supposed to be up next week without mobs. When mobs are added, it's officially 'Beta', which is signifying the increase in prices. If you're on the fence, best buy it now and save yourself a few bucks.

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        July 30, 2010 9:18 AM

        How much is it now? Can't view the price without registering on the site.

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      July 30, 2010 7:05 AM

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        July 30, 2010 7:28 AM

        Once you figure out how to connect the two with a tunnel, let me know. Fucking impossible.

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          July 30, 2010 7:43 AM

          It's not easy, but can be done. At your 1st base, dig a 3x3 tunnel straight down for 10 blocks. Then go to your second base and do the same and then point in the direction of your first base and dig away. Pray you hit your first base's tunnel and you don't run into a huge natural cavern on the way. I managed to do it a couple of times, with the span being over 500 blocks long.

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            July 30, 2010 7:51 AM

            The problem is having to count the number of blocks down from sea level my bases are, otherwise I don't know how I'd be able to approximate depth, let alone the angle.... I dread the thought...

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              July 30, 2010 8:44 AM

              He needs to add a goddamn gps mini-map :D

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                July 30, 2010 9:00 AM

                or at least a compass.

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                July 30, 2010 9:09 AM

                Part of me agrees, but half the fun of the game is the feeling that you are truly roughing it in a foreign world. You could probably create a compass somehow, I've seen pics of actual working sundials.

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                  July 30, 2010 10:22 AM

                  Underground there's no way to tell, but above ground it's easy. Clouds go north always, and the sun rises in the east, sets in the west. It's easy to get your bearings once you figure that out.

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                  July 30, 2010 10:52 AM

                  I want a way to craft a compass out of a piece of iron, a wooden bowl, and some water. :)

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              July 30, 2010 8:49 AM

              Dig a hole, refill with a different soil type, so you know when you hit it.

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          July 30, 2010 7:46 AM

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          July 30, 2010 8:02 AM

          I cant link it now but:

          Use the cartographer program in cave mode. You can dig down then drill horizontal pilot holes to identify where you are on the map. Do this for both bases and line them up. Then dig away. Once the tunnels meet on the horizontal axis, use the colors to decide how to make them meet vertically.

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            July 30, 2010 8:06 AM

            This is a great idea and I will but I'm trying to be as anti-cheaty as possible. Do we know if Notch has any opinion on using this program for things besides isometric data, etc? I will probably cave in (lol) and use it anyway.

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              July 30, 2010 8:10 AM

              You can also just lay the tunnel out on the surface by drawing lines using sand or something. At each vertex, dig down , ladder your way out, then connect the vertices and fill in the dig points.

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                July 30, 2010 8:32 AM

                genius.

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                July 30, 2010 8:38 AM

                Oh wait, but my bases are across water. I might have issues digging straight down. Fuck this game.

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                  July 30, 2010 8:45 AM

                  If I were doing it, I'd dig a hole on your starting island, climb back up, and swim across the water in a straight line, and dig a hole when I hit ground. That way, when you start the tunnel, they HAVE to connect if you just keep digging straight. If you need to do a diagonal line, I would just make it a right angle, so you don't have to worry about not hitting your holes.

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                  July 30, 2010 8:48 AM

                  Lol, I know following a straight line underground is tough.. Just go to a point across the water that is in a N S E or W direction straight, dig down at an angle toward the island. On the island, dig down, and refill with another block type, so you know when you've hit the island.

                  Once you have the initial tunnel completed, hook it up / expand it to your bases.

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                  July 30, 2010 8:57 AM

                  dig the straight down on the island, try to overshoot the depth. If it's 3 blocks across then put a torch on the beach in line with the middle block. hop in a boat and stay in line with the torch to the shore of your second base. Plant another inline torch, and just keep planting them until you reach your second base. if you need to put any turns in the path, just dig out the turn wall so it's easy to find when you're underground heading that way.

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                  July 30, 2010 10:23 AM

                  You can drop 3x3 sand in the water and dig in the middle, but that's a lot of work and a lot of sand.

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      July 30, 2010 7:17 AM

      Brian Leahy, when are you going to do a full front page article on Minecraft?

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        July 30, 2010 7:51 AM

        Full Fontal Mein Kampf?

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        July 30, 2010 5:16 PM

        I really hope this gets an article here and a quicklook on giantbomb once this hits beta.

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      July 30, 2010 7:50 AM

      Do you guys use TNT to blast mine Daniel Day Lewis-style? Is the only way to get gunpowder from killing creepers? I think I've only seen one in my three days of playing the game.

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        July 30, 2010 7:56 AM

        Yah I'm considering cheating in some TNT just so I can really have fun with it. Put like 10 in a row along a mountain side then use redstone and a lever to blow that shit

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          July 30, 2010 8:43 AM

          I started a fresh map, used minedit to give me like 10 stacks of tnt and some diamond picks and spent like 3 hours just digging straight lines underground and filling them full of tnt and smacking them and running away. good fun!

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          July 30, 2010 2:52 PM

          free your mind

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        July 30, 2010 7:58 AM

        As soon as its night time, my hut is fucking surrounded with Creepers :/

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          July 30, 2010 8:03 AM

          Playing on Normal? I think I just got spawned into a weird area, plus at this point all my bases are super lit up. I think it's time to go exploring tonight, I keep putting it off because of little "construction projects".

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            July 30, 2010 8:11 AM

            Yeah thats on normal mode - the minimum I seem to get is like... 3 creepers and a skeleton

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        July 30, 2010 8:09 AM

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        July 30, 2010 8:13 AM

        I would if I could get gunpowder more easily.

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        July 30, 2010 8:25 AM

        For the amount of time it would take to gather resources and build TNT, I can just chop the goddamn blocks up with my pickaxe.

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        July 30, 2010 8:43 AM

        I'm wondering if the tnt actually destroys the blocks. I don't seem to be getting as much as I thought I was blowing up.

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          July 30, 2010 9:11 AM

          I'm not sure about if it breaks them down for resources, but I read somewhere that if the TNT is in very close proximity to other blocks, it will only blow up in a 3 block radius, but if there is a lot of breathing room for the block, the blast damage will be more widespread.

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          July 30, 2010 9:30 AM

          It definitely seems like Creeper explosions don't leave behind enough materials to fully repair the damage.

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        July 30, 2010 9:08 AM

        Ive been playing with MineEdit and stocking the fuck up on TNT, it creates some amazing landscape destruction with chain reactions.

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        July 30, 2010 10:24 AM

        Every. Single. Time. I see the TNT in my hand, AC/DC's song plays in my head. Now it's stuck in my head again.

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      July 30, 2010 8:45 AM

      crazy minecraft night

      1) my fiancee bought it last night, and her addiction is now well in place
      2) thank you whoever gave the tip about planting trees on top of trees. i have a good little forest going on top of my base now
      3) i hit the bottom of the map last night under my base, and kept going in a straight line until i found a cave. died once, lost all my shit (none of it was there when i got back, wtf), but i ended up finding a bun of iron, gold, and diamonds (finally!)
      4) is there a way to make an infinite lava pit like the infinite water pit? i made a 2x2 hole and put lava at either corner, but it doesn't calm over like water :(

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        July 30, 2010 8:46 AM

        lava does not seem to have the same properties as water when it comes to the 2x2 trick

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        July 30, 2010 8:51 AM

        What is the tree growing tip?

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          July 30, 2010 8:59 AM

          Dirt block with sapling on top of tree.

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            July 30, 2010 3:47 PM

            Um what? Let's say:

            X = Dirt
            V = Sapling
            T = Tree? what's a tree? You mean a log?

            so it'd be

            V
            T
            X

            I'm confused. And what does this do exactly?

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              July 30, 2010 3:50 PM

              to plant a tree you need the little tree that drops from hacking the leaves on a tree

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              July 30, 2010 4:16 PM

              V
              X
              T
              X

              the sapling will happily grow from that one square of dirt being held up by leaves

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        July 30, 2010 10:50 AM

        another question:

        i'm building a large pool right now. probably 10x15 blocks, and its 2 blocks deep. i haven't thought of a way to get the water to be level across the full depth. i've got it calm across the first block up. any ideas?

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          July 30, 2010 10:57 AM

          Ok, so you have to build blocks above the first level, place water 'anchored' to the block above the other water, then you destroy the block you anchored to. Think of it as placing water as you pull back the pool cover.

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      July 30, 2010 8:59 AM

      Why do the dropped items disapper if you are a bit far from your base. I kost 128 iron and some gold. :'(

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        July 30, 2010 9:03 AM

        i think it's a time limit til they despawn. I died a good ways away from the spawn point and got back to my point of death just in time to see all of my stuff vanish ;(

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        July 30, 2010 9:07 AM

        i think it's a timed delay that counts down while you aren't within a certain range of the items on the ground.

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          July 30, 2010 9:16 AM

          I got back there really quick, it was night when i died and the time i got there was dawn. Hmm, maybe items disappear after night?

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            July 30, 2010 10:56 AM

            I died, couldn't find my way back for at least two nights, and then I got back and grabbed all my stuff. I think your items remain while you are far away, and a counter starts once you get close.

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      July 30, 2010 9:07 AM

      Powered minecarts are in!

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      July 30, 2010 9:16 AM

      ive got some LOST ass music in mine...

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      July 30, 2010 9:27 AM

      new way to make arrows Flint on top, Stick in Middle, Feather on bottom! yay figured tht one out on my own!

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        July 30, 2010 9:32 AM

        Nice, looks like using a bow is going to be a lot easier now.

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        July 30, 2010 9:34 AM

        Nice, that'll make flint more useful. Good change!

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          July 30, 2010 9:36 AM

          Tyhe beauty of flint is you can just put a small stack of the soil it comes from and just farm it over and over.

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            July 30, 2010 12:53 PM

            I've been hop-placing gravel to make huge towers doing this.

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        July 30, 2010 9:35 AM

        Nice find.

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      July 30, 2010 9:33 AM

      Recipe for powered minecart is furnace on top of minecart.

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      July 30, 2010 9:37 AM

      anyone work with cart track switches?

      I've heard that you can switch tracks remotely using redstone wire. Has anyone attempted this? How do you set it up? (it would be nice to be able to flip a switch in my base, and change a track switch halfway down my track to set a destination.

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        July 30, 2010 9:41 AM

        I read it will always go to the curve, so not really sure, but yes, it supposedly works.

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      July 30, 2010 9:38 AM

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        July 30, 2010 9:39 AM

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          July 30, 2010 9:54 AM

          there usually aren't details in fridays updates (they're secret)

          * powered minecarts
          * chickens w/ feathers
          * new arrow recipe
          * music added

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        July 30, 2010 10:32 AM

        I think he's made some changes to the world generator: http://grab.by/5Ftf

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          July 30, 2010 10:44 AM

          I am terrified when he adds something really awesome to the world generator and I feel like my current world is outdated :(

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            July 30, 2010 10:45 AM

            You just have to travel to a new part of the world though!

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          July 30, 2010 11:12 AM

          Is that a rock tree I see?

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            July 30, 2010 1:35 PM

            Yes, with a dirt thing flying above it

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        July 30, 2010 10:35 AM

        A couple of very interesting twitter posts from Notch.

        He is going to add an interface for powered minecarts for speed, etc.

        Adding red flap on the head of chickens.

        In Survival MP, you will be able to claim your land so nobody can touch it, or a server admin can do this for you.

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          July 30, 2010 10:41 AM

          i better be able to have a custom-designed flag i can plant in order to claim land

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          July 30, 2010 10:44 AM

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            July 30, 2010 10:45 AM

            yeah, I was hoping survival multiplayer's challenge was going to be, I don't know, survival? It seems like he's just making it into "hard, slow, build mode"

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            July 30, 2010 10:45 AM

            If you're running a massive city and god knows who joins your server would you want them coming in and wrecking everything that everyone has put hours and hours into?

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              July 30, 2010 10:46 AM

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                July 30, 2010 10:47 AM

                Passwords leak.

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                July 30, 2010 10:48 AM

                ass hats get passwords and only take a couple tnts to mess up your day

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                  July 30, 2010 10:53 AM

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                    July 30, 2010 10:56 AM

                    whats bothering you about that?

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                    July 30, 2010 11:04 AM

                    there's definitely room for more than one kind of server.

                    1. i like the idea of a sandbox world where i can do my own projects without other people messing with them, but where they can log in and i can show them to them. and then they can build some shit of their own next door, or maybe help me with my project if i want them to.
                    2. i also like the idea of a big sandbox world where 30 people are working on the same megaproject, maybe even competitively trying to build something awesome against the opposition of griefers. maybe some of the "builders" would just be security fighting the griefers off, who knows. defensive earthworks could be a factor.

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              July 30, 2010 11:52 AM

              Speaking of that, does anyone have the link to the youtube video of the guy who got on the MP test server and just set fire to the little wooden town people were building there?

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            July 30, 2010 10:46 AM

            so you don't spend hours on something to have some snot nose little griefer shit come by with a bucket of lava, while going OHOLOLOLOLOL

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            July 30, 2010 10:47 AM

            it'll be great if you can grant permission to other players to build on your turf

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              July 30, 2010 10:59 AM

              This, password protected servers, and all "new users" on the server have read only permissions by default.

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                July 30, 2010 11:04 AM

                Temporal versioning tools would help too. I'd imagine a greifer would stop pretty quickly if his late-night antics were completely reverted in a few seconds.

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                  July 30, 2010 11:06 AM

                  MCSharp, a custom made server, has a griefer flag that can be set on people. once its set, the griefer is the only person that sees the changes they make. for everyone else, things continue on as normal.

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                July 30, 2010 11:26 AM

                Read only permissions are basically worthless though, and it's a big jump from that to free building/destroying anywhere.

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            July 30, 2010 10:59 AM

            So says the guy who wants to burn my house down.

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          July 30, 2010 10:45 AM

          Links?

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          July 30, 2010 10:47 AM

          What do you suppose the hats mean in his post:
          http://twitter.com/xnotch/status/19922513102

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      July 30, 2010 9:59 AM

      looks like you have to have 2 carts for a powered cart. 1 to power and 1 in front of the powered cart to sit in.

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      July 30, 2010 10:13 AM

      are there any games better than minecraft right now.

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      July 30, 2010 10:14 AM

      FINALLY i can stop climbing those annoying towers just to get enough speed to go from my main base to the satelites "quickly" with the minecarts... plus I always seem to have too much coal sitting around.

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      July 30, 2010 10:38 AM

      When does the music play?

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      July 30, 2010 10:53 AM

      What's the easiest way to move around a bunch of loot? I'm planning on moving my base of operations but it currently has all my loot there. From what I've seen so far it looks like I'm going to have to make a lot of trips back and forth to transfer my goods.

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        July 30, 2010 10:55 AM

        storage carts probably

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          July 30, 2010 11:02 AM

          As in mine carts?
          http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Minecart

          Doesn't seem to be implemented yet/anymore. Even so it's probably too much work (and uses a lot of resources) for something I only need the once.

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            July 30, 2010 11:03 AM

            Notch just put in powered minecarts today.

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            July 30, 2010 11:03 AM

            you haven't read this thread, have you? it was implemented today, along with powered carts.

            its going to be carts, or just hauling by hand.

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              July 30, 2010 11:10 AM

              Yeah, I have. I read about powered carts, I missed anything mentioned about using carts as storage.

              I'm reading the messages in a browser and find it difficult to keep track of new messages.

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                July 30, 2010 11:15 AM

                There are now 3 kinds of carts, passenger, holding and powered. The holding carts act like a chest.

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                  July 30, 2010 12:00 PM

                  Excellent! I may lay down some track just for the heck of it. Been wanting to mess around them anyways. My camp I want to move is close to the spawn point so it would still come in handy to get back to my main home later on.

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                July 30, 2010 11:55 AM

                You gotta put your chest all up in ur cart.

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          July 30, 2010 11:03 AM

          That's alot of track to lay I'd bet. Tracks are going to have to get cheaper to make hopefully

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            July 30, 2010 11:39 AM

            I don't know, 6 iron for 16 tracks is pretty cheap really.

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      July 30, 2010 10:58 AM

      Finally got enough work done to take the Minecraft Plunge last night.

      So... yeah. Stayed up until 5 AM playing. Not sure when the last time was that I did that.

      Moment of panic when I died from being lit on fire by magma (guess that doesn't go out by itself eh), then respawned way the hell far away from where I had set up my Fortress of Solitude, then couldn't find the blasted place again, then Minecraft locked up. I was sure I was going to end up permanently lost or with a corrupted save (or both)? Fortunately the save seems to be OK, and I fixed my spawn and position with MCEdit. Even with MCEdit though it was reaalllly difficult to find my base in the world.

      I know eventually people get to the point where they are happy to just discard a whole world and start over, but I'm not there yet. :-)

      Powered minecarts will be awesome! I was just looking at starting a track system between my mountaintop base and a cave system.

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      July 30, 2010 11:09 AM

      Is it normal for caves you dug to fill up with dirt? I dug some huge tunnels yesterday and they filled up with dirt so now I ma re-digging them to get back to where I had them.

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        July 30, 2010 11:10 AM

        Sand can cause cave ins, not sure about dirt

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          July 30, 2010 11:16 AM

          Sand and gravel both respond to gravity. 'Dirt' doesn't.

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      July 30, 2010 11:13 AM

      MP Test Server up!
      and full

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      July 30, 2010 11:13 AM

      Ok, I have a powered mine cart, but I can't ride in it, so I assume you need a second cart, but then the damn thing does the wrong way.. what am I doing wrong?

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        July 30, 2010 11:16 AM

        exactly what I posted above... must be doing something wrong, can push them just as fast

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          July 30, 2010 11:17 AM

          You are right clicking on it with coal right?

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            July 30, 2010 11:21 AM

            yep it uses the coal and moves. Maybe I am using it for the wrong purpose i want to

            sit in A and have B push me along cause I am lazy

            ________\_A_/_\_b_/______
            <------------

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              July 30, 2010 11:23 AM

              Yeah, i tried that to, what you have to do is, go behind the "b" click on it and quickly get in "a".

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                July 30, 2010 11:25 AM

                You can probably make it easy if you make an S curve in the track, and jumping in as it goes by the other direction.

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                  July 30, 2010 11:27 AM

                  still a little silly when you want the darn cart to push you and you power it and it runs away.

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                    July 30, 2010 11:29 AM

                    This is iteration 1 of powered mine carts in Alpha. I think you better just give them a bit of time before you growl about them too much :)

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                      July 30, 2010 11:51 AM

                      no doubt.

                      Notch seems like a pretty bright guy though. Seems a little counter intuitive.

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                        July 30, 2010 11:59 AM

                        He has mentioned already on his twitter that he's fixing the power of the carts.

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                  July 30, 2010 11:30 AM

                  Its not that fast its the same speed as pushing it and jumping in. It also eats coal like a mofo

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                  July 30, 2010 11:30 AM

                  Can't get in and click the cart behind you?

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                  July 30, 2010 11:31 AM

                  Don't you have to hold down the right-click on the powered minecart to keep it moving? Right-clicking once makes it move briefly and then it stops. So if I make an S-curve and hop in the cart, the powered minecart would simply stop moving as I'm no longer behind it holding down on the right mouse button to keep it moving.

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                    July 30, 2010 11:42 AM

                    Once you right-click on the cart with coal it goes on its own for a while.

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                    July 30, 2010 11:42 AM

                    I only know what I have seen on the brocraft stream, but no, it runs by itself. You don't have to keep clicking.

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                    July 30, 2010 11:58 AM

                    Figured it out, I didn't have coal in my hand when I right-clicked on the minecart. I look forward to the speed update, as right now it's probably just as fast walking.

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        July 30, 2010 11:16 AM

        Nothing, cart goes where you look.

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        July 30, 2010 11:16 AM

        You can right click on the cart to stop it and change directions I think.

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        July 30, 2010 11:18 AM

        Same here, I can't seem to figure out what to do.

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          July 30, 2010 11:20 AM

          What kaakasim said above, right click on it with coal. Also, Notch responded to a tweet saying he was going to make the powered cart faster or give it a speed slider interface.

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            July 30, 2010 11:24 AM

            When I put the regular minecart in front or behind the powered minecart and sit in the regular minecart and right-click on the powered minecart, it moves in the opposite direction, so it doesn't push me in the regular minecart, it moves away from me. If I get out, and right-click on the other side of the minecart, it moves and pushes the regular minecart, but obviously without me sitting in it, which defeats the purpose of the powered minecart.

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              July 30, 2010 11:26 AM

              repost from above You can probably make it easy if you make an S curve in the track, and jumping in as it goes by the other direction.

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      July 30, 2010 11:15 AM

      I found this in a dungeon crate. Is It old? I cant get crafting pages to load
      http://www.shackpics.com/viewer.x?file=saddle_scb2eaecr338w41u8s76.jpg
      looks like a saddle to me ill try to throw it on a cow or something

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      July 30, 2010 11:28 AM

      http://a.imageshack.us/img717/3732/kraken.png

      I-i-i-i don't know what to make of this. If it's legit...COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

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      July 30, 2010 11:32 AM

      Something else from the update:

      Find a red flower and pick it..
      Next time you run into a creeper, let him approach and then select the red flower right from your inventory when he gets near. He'll start "SSssss" but DON"T PANIC. Selecting the flower when he's next to you makes him stationary and he acts as a "guard" from that point on for you.

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      July 30, 2010 11:48 AM

      Someone needs to recommend to Notch that he makes doors that let water by so we can make water gates with redstone that operate on clock cycles.

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      July 30, 2010 11:59 AM

      GG guys, I just bought the game!

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        July 30, 2010 12:27 PM

        me too. I dunno WTF I'm doing I'm gathering shit

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          July 30, 2010 12:31 PM

          Please read the Beginners Guide link up at the top of this post, it'll make the first stages much easier for you.

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          July 30, 2010 12:31 PM

          All you really need to know about minecraft is that it's essentially a tree-punching sim.

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      July 30, 2010 11:59 AM

      I'm just amazed at what some people create with this game.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar1nBTPcDlg

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      July 30, 2010 12:06 PM

      Small question about flowers (not creeper-related).

      I have a little orchard in my base, actually a row of trees on each side of a stairway going down into the mountain. I wanted to plant flowers between the trees. I was able to plant a line of flowers from the first tree to the second tree on each side, no problem. After that though, any flowers I plant just pop back out of the ground and become pickups again. Sometimes right away, sometimes after a while.

      Is there some sort of necessary condition for the flowers to "live"? Maybe the tree shade is killing them?

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        July 30, 2010 12:13 PM

        try putting torches near it and see if they stick

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        July 30, 2010 12:13 PM

        Have you notice any natural flowers in the shade of trees? It might be that they need light and the shade is killing them, but I don't remember if "leaf" blocks allow light to pass through in their properties.

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          July 30, 2010 12:34 PM

          ^^ This, can't plant in shade.

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      July 30, 2010 12:41 PM

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      July 30, 2010 12:43 PM

      Scribblenauts + Demon's Souls + Red Faction + Lego Universe + Dwarf Fortress = Minecraft.

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      July 30, 2010 1:05 PM

      So I made this with a chest and a diamond in the middle, but can't figure out what it does? http://www.shackpics.com/files/Capture730201021658PM_m0hsy3bewop4xp6puyhw.jpg

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        July 30, 2010 1:08 PM

        If you put your stone in a furance you can make it look smooth again. Then your wall will be sexier.


        (I have no idea about that chest)

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        July 30, 2010 1:08 PM

        Apparently there are vinyls discs around, so...

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      July 30, 2010 1:06 PM

      I think one of the simplest but most awesome things about this game is the lack of a map. You have to navigate by using landmarks, and the sky, and there's something very appealing about that.

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        July 30, 2010 1:12 PM

        I'm ok with that, but I'd LOVE a compass at least.

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          July 30, 2010 1:27 PM

          Watch sky - clouds go north, sun east -> west.

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          July 30, 2010 1:27 PM

          The clouds alway move in the same direction. Underground I just move in one primary direction and then go left or right as necessary in order to maintain my bearing.

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          July 30, 2010 1:46 PM

          yep. I'm cool with the lack of map, you can make or own or construct landmarks, but a compass would be great.

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          July 30, 2010 2:25 PM

          I've been building XBOX HUEG LOL monuments to mark the way to my base.

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        July 30, 2010 1:17 PM

        eh, it just forces you to resort to breadcrumbs, and i don't want a witch to throw me in her candy house tyvm

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          July 30, 2010 1:18 PM

          My islands look like fucking runways with all the torches on the ground.

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      July 30, 2010 1:42 PM

      Can someone explain mining patterns to me? I still don't get how to efficiently mine.

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        July 30, 2010 2:04 PM

        I've been doing variations of 3X3

        basically:

        XXXXX
        XOOOX
        XOOOX
        XOOOX
        XXXXX


        You can do that vertically, or horizontally. It's not the most efficient, but it makes it easy because you can just have 1 ladder if you make a vertical shaft.

        Also, if you don't know, you can save ladders by only laying them every other tile.

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      July 30, 2010 1:48 PM

      So I see people making all these crazy Redstone circuits, but no one ever says what they could be used for.

      http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Redstone_circuits (the wiki is a bit slow right now)

      Does anyone actually use these for anything?

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      July 30, 2010 1:58 PM

      Minecraft is downloading another patch? eh? WHATS GOING ON?!?!?!1!!1!111one

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      July 30, 2010 2:05 PM

      Just bought this shit. I really like what I've been seeing and I can't wait to try this out. Pretty good deal too, and would rather get it now instead of when it's price doubles.

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      July 30, 2010 2:32 PM

      My god I still don't know what this game actually is. Are people playing single player or multiplayer? Do you play it in the browser or is it for download? And what the hell do you do in it?!?

      I know, I know, I should check it out and find out for myself.

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        July 30, 2010 2:33 PM

        Single player currently. I play in the browser, but there is a download version.

        As to what you do, watch:
        http://brocraft.net/minecraft.html

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          July 30, 2010 2:37 PM

          So whatever one person builds no one else can see it? Is that going to change in the future?

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            July 30, 2010 2:45 PM

            You can zip up your world files and let someone else download them. Survival multiplayer should be upon us within a week, with potentially infinite worlds where multiple people can build stuff independently or together.

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            July 30, 2010 3:00 PM

            There's a public test of the multiplayer server starting within a week where you can be in the same game with others and build stuff together.

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              July 30, 2010 3:04 PM

              As Haxim pointed out to me earlier, the server is actually up and running now with just a quick check to see if you are human while joining. It's always full, though.

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                July 30, 2010 3:09 PM

                Yeah, Notch's server just gets hammered, he figures somewhere round 5 connections a second every time he puts it up. What I meant by the public test is when he releases the server software to the community which should be before Friday next week.

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        July 30, 2010 2:41 PM

        yes to everything!

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          July 30, 2010 2:47 PM

          Fuck me I gave into the hype and bought it without ever having played it or even seen a video. Oh well it's always good to support indie developers even if I don't like but with the amount of talk it's getting that's doubtful.

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            July 30, 2010 4:04 PM

            You won't regret it. I pretty much did the same thing when it started getting hyped after only looking at a few screenshots. Best impulse buy ever.

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      July 30, 2010 4:12 PM

      Some update stuff I noticed

      Chickens drop eggs. I'm not sure what the frequency is, but I've got two of em.

      Also animals disappear where there is no light, I think this is brand new.

      Animals will jump in your empty minecart and/or push it...be careful

      Put coal in the mine cart while facing the direction you want it to go which means you will be behind the minecart

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      July 30, 2010 4:32 PM

      I just found this awesome underground cave and I got excited because I thought there would be Obsidian,
      http://www.shackpics.com/files/mc_mxiyuvek8b8py5mnvdvo.png

      but now I don't see any :(

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        July 30, 2010 4:36 PM

        Usually you get some in an area like that if the water and lava were naturally occurring. Have you tried closing off the water supply?

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        July 30, 2010 4:44 PM

        That's obsidian under the water, isn't it?

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        July 31, 2010 8:31 AM

        what do you use obsidian for? I have a decent sized patch in one of my mining operations.

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