How To Watch Apple's October 2016 'Hello Again' Event

We're less than 24 hours to Apple announcing some new products, so make sure you're ready to watch it all live!

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Microsoft isn’t the only giant tech company in town with something new to show this week as Apple has scheduled an event to take place on October 27th, which it calls its “Hello Again” event.

With the event taking place less than 24 hours away, we thought we’d help prepare you by showing you how you can watch Apple’s livestream when it commences.

Just like previous Apple events, both Mac and Windows users will be able to watch the livestream. On the Mac side of things, you’ll need to be running Safari 6.0.5 or later or an iOS device with at least iOS 7 to watch the stream. Apple TV owners can also watch, as long as your device falls somewhere between its second- and fourth-generation models.

Windows users, you’ll need to be running Windows 10 and can only watch on Microsoft’s Edge browser. So if you’re running a PC with Chrome, Firefox, or any other third-party web browser, you better dust off your copy of Edge prior to the start of the stream.

If your platform and operating system are supported, then head on over to Apple’s Events page shortly prior to its start, which is October 27th at 10am PT.

MacBook and Beyond!

MacBook Pro fans will most definitely want to watch tomorrow’s live stream as it’s pretty much a guarantee a new version will be announced. One of the biggest improvements the new MacBook Pro will include is a long, thin OLED strip that will sit just above the numerical keys, effectively replacing the standard row of function keys. While the OLED strip is expected to offer the same features, which should make F5 mashers very happy, developers are expected to be able to display different “keys” within that row, which could provide different A version of the Touch ID fingerprint sensor is also expected to be revealed in the new MacBook Pro.

There are also rumors of a new MacBook, MacBook Air, and iMac, although those aren’t as obvious as a new MacBook Pro, especially given the fact a recent promotional image for the laptop popped up earlier this week. You can see that image for yourself below:

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    October 27, 2016 6:06 AM

    Daniel Perez posted a new article, How To Watch Apple's October 2016 'Hello Again' Event

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      October 27, 2016 6:26 AM

      I keep reading "hello again" in Elliot from Mr. Robot's voice

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      October 27, 2016 7:26 AM

      I just realized my coworkers are going to take me out for a farewell lunch right when this kicks off. Damnit!

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      October 27, 2016 7:32 AM

      I find it so goddamn bizzaro that of all browsers, it's Edge on Windows that's supported. Does anyone know what Edge has that makes Apple happy to support it?

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        October 27, 2016 7:33 AM

        Oh: Live streaming uses Apple’s HTTP Live Streaming (HLS) technology

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          October 27, 2016 8:43 AM

          That, or they just want troll people who refuse to use safari, with something even less popular. The only time I'm ever willing to use safari even on osx is for these events. Even back to the day when chrome and firefox were broken piles of shit and slow as fuck on apples platform (which was the case for way too long).

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        October 27, 2016 8:49 AM

        By also have a partnership with MS and try could have requested it.

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      October 27, 2016 8:13 AM

      so this is our official thread? anything you guys are hoping for? i doubt anything besides the macbooks will get any love today, but i'd really like to see a new Mac Mini and maybe Apple TV

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        October 27, 2016 8:37 AM

        I'm hoping that the leaks were just mock ups and that the screen bezel is much thinner than it looks.

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          October 27, 2016 9:07 AM

          weren't the leaks directly from the latest macOS update? the bezel looked about as small as it could get to keep the keyboard comfortably spaced. i'd hate for my hands to have to get any more cramped

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            October 27, 2016 10:45 AM

            The Bezel on the live demo looks a bit thinner. Not as thin and sexy as the XPS, but better.

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        October 27, 2016 8:49 AM

        I bet we get me office for Mac OS news

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        October 27, 2016 9:19 AM

        Uh, don't think we are gonna see a new Apple TV anytime soon. Really hoping for a new MacMini.

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        October 27, 2016 9:28 AM

        I'm very tempted to snag a new MBP. My 2009 model can't handle much anymore.

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          October 27, 2016 9:36 AM

          My wife has a macbook from 2006 with a cracked screen. She's well overdue, so this will be her surprise early Christmas gift.

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      October 27, 2016 9:37 AM

      I am at work on a Win 7 laptop. Any other way I can watch the event or should I just find someone who's live-blogging it?

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      October 27, 2016 9:57 AM

      BUMP CUZ ITS 'BOUT TO BE ON

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        October 27, 2016 9:58 AM

        LIKE DONKEY KONG. ANOTHER NINTENDO PROPERTY COMING SOON TO iOS

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        October 27, 2016 9:59 AM

        ARGH AND MY POWER LITERALLY JUST WENT OUT.

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      October 27, 2016 9:59 AM

      is the stream playing antthing for u guys?

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      October 27, 2016 10:01 AM

      Dis the thread where I complain about a touchscreen keyboard?

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      October 27, 2016 10:04 AM

      Wow super small

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      October 27, 2016 10:09 AM

      OMG WE BLUR YOUR PHOTOS

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      October 27, 2016 10:13 AM

      The crowd goes mild for minecraft on Apple TV

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      October 27, 2016 10:13 AM

      You can play minecraft on your TV now. :O

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      October 27, 2016 10:14 AM

      Wish you could watch live NFL.

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      October 27, 2016 10:15 AM

      Tim can't seem to stop reading off the teleprompter

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      October 27, 2016 10:15 AM

      Your example of sports is gifs of football which are illegal now, right?

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        October 27, 2016 10:16 AM

        Does the same apply if it comes from an official source?

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          October 27, 2016 10:18 AM

          I'm sure the content creators can, but periscope seems like it'd be broadcasting an event they don't have the rights to broadcast.

          I guess maybe the NFL periscopes from the sidelines or something?

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      October 27, 2016 10:18 AM

      Today we're announcing the Apple TV One.

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      October 27, 2016 10:19 AM

      So Apple TV... TV... is OneGuide?

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        October 27, 2016 10:20 AM

        It actually does solve my main complaint about the Apple TV UI right now. There's no place that tracks what shows I've been watching, which Plex did fantastically.

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          October 27, 2016 10:21 AM

          Yeah, it's nice to be able to have one place to find all the shit that's available for sure.

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      October 27, 2016 10:19 AM

      Someone needs to wake up the audience at this event. Half the attendees are just sitting there... Yay, I can watch TV on AppleTV... /waits for new macbook pro...

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        October 27, 2016 11:22 AM

        I always think it's pretty dumb for journalists to be hootin and hollerin about something they're covering.

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      October 27, 2016 10:19 AM

      Yo dawg we heard you liked TV so we put a TV app on your Apple TV. viewed on your TV.

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      October 27, 2016 10:21 AM

      So this TV app only does streaming from services that support it? It doesn't do anything with cable channels, right?

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        October 27, 2016 10:23 AM

        Yeah, just using apps on the device. Not from your cable subscription.

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        October 27, 2016 10:23 AM

        That's what I'm seeing. It's like an indexer for your TV apps.

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        October 27, 2016 10:25 AM

        Yeah, it's weird, because the way they announced it, it sounded like it would do video passthrough. But the current AppleTV doesn't have the hardware for it. Sounds more like they're doubling down on streaming from apps, which isn't bad, either. Apple should continue to try to break the current cable package infrastructure.

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      October 27, 2016 10:24 AM

      Must have taken a lot of courage to invent a Roku.

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      October 27, 2016 10:25 AM

      They should troll the people and just say: "that's everything for today, goodbye "

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      October 27, 2016 10:26 AM

      This TV app is pretty sweet

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      October 27, 2016 10:26 AM

      25 minutes of iOS devices in a massively overdue pro announcement event, in which they are rumored to inject iOS into a Mac keyboard, which runs on the most iOS-like version of Macos yet.

      I'm not saying we're being trolled, but there is a LOT of trepidation out there about the pro line right now.

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      October 27, 2016 10:27 AM

      It's Mac time.!!

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      October 27, 2016 10:27 AM

      "Everyone watches TV on their biggest screen in the house."
      10 minutes later
      "The primary vehicle for watching TV shows is your iPhone and iPad."

      :-S

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      October 27, 2016 10:32 AM

      LCD bar confirmed. ESC LCD key confirmed.

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        October 27, 2016 10:33 AM

        Yay vim users everywhere rejoice.

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      October 27, 2016 10:32 AM

      oh boy, a virtual escape key!

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        October 27, 2016 10:33 AM

        For when you need to virtually escape.

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      October 27, 2016 10:33 AM

      That trackpad looks huge.

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      October 27, 2016 10:34 AM

      Rose gold MBP available next year for $200 more!

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      October 27, 2016 10:34 AM

      OK, computer man, tell me how many "innovations not possible before" we're going to tackle.

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      October 27, 2016 10:34 AM

      Keep the existing thickness and add more battery.

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      October 27, 2016 10:34 AM

      I'd have taken the old thickness if the difference was ALL BATTERY.

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      October 27, 2016 10:35 AM

      That MBP looks sexy AF

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        October 27, 2016 10:37 AM

        So far I'm thinking the opposite. This is vanilla.

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      October 27, 2016 10:37 AM

      Oh good, now they're going to tell you how antiquated function keys are

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      October 27, 2016 10:37 AM

      I use them all the time, you fucker.

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      October 27, 2016 10:37 AM

      I wonder if it'll default to the function keys if you're using a non-Mac OS, like Bootcamping into Windows, or if you'll just be screwed.

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        October 27, 2016 10:38 AM

        It'll have to

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        October 27, 2016 2:20 PM

        That kind of supposes that they give half a fuck what happens when you're running not-OSX.

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      October 27, 2016 10:38 AM

      Yo guys keyboard is old tech you should remove it as well

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      October 27, 2016 10:38 AM

      bluetooth function-key keypad

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      October 27, 2016 10:38 AM

      Lol this fucking cunt. "when was the last time you used them!?!?!?!"

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      October 27, 2016 10:38 AM

      I had a keyboard in the late 90s that had bookmark buttons. It sucked.

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      October 27, 2016 10:39 AM

      So many 15" laptops using the same tiny cramped keyboard of the 13" version :(

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      October 27, 2016 10:40 AM

      How about just building a MacBook Pro with a TOUCHSCREEN? I've used an iPad so I know you can make one. Then you can keep the function keys and not have an XBOX HUGE touch pad.

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      October 27, 2016 10:40 AM

      As much as I think the touch bar is stupid, the secure enclave and fingerprint reader is a good idea.

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        October 27, 2016 10:41 AM

        It forces you to look at the keyboard which is bad IMO.

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          October 27, 2016 10:42 AM

          Of course it is. I just mean the touchID support isn't a bad idea. Doesn't have to replace the F keys, of course.

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      October 27, 2016 10:41 AM

      This seems like a half step towards replacing the keyboard with a touch screen interface. The problem is that I can perform a lot of the functions more quickly with the existing touch pad. Why reach all the way up to the top of the key board when I can move the mouse pointing instead?

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        October 27, 2016 10:42 AM

        VIM users' heads just exploded reading that.

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      October 27, 2016 10:41 AM

      Countdown to devs being able to sell Touch Pad apps...

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      October 27, 2016 10:42 AM

      It's really bothering me that the ESC key isn't flush left.

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      October 27, 2016 10:43 AM

      For when you're too stupid to actually type on your keyboard.

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      October 27, 2016 10:44 AM

      Nothing they've shown on this bar so far is compelling at all.

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        October 27, 2016 10:45 AM

        And this is their Pro model for Pro-fessionals. I am so confused as to who this is for.

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        October 27, 2016 10:46 AM

        Yeah, it's pretty clear we've reached the end of innovation with laptops if this is the best they can come up with.

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          October 27, 2016 10:48 AM

          Apple isn't exactly investing heavily in OSX on laptops these days. Yesterday's battle that they admitted they lost like 10+ years ago.

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          October 27, 2016 10:50 AM

          Well the obvious thing they could do is a 2-in-1 that has elements of both a MBP and an iPad - I'd probably
          buy that.

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            October 27, 2016 10:52 AM

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            October 27, 2016 10:52 AM

            I think they thought the ipad pro tackled that...but it doesn't.

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            October 27, 2016 10:55 AM

            that's the iPad Pro

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              October 27, 2016 10:59 AM

              Not really though - I mean something that's closer to a full laptop than a tablet.

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                October 27, 2016 11:06 AM

                I get that's what some people want but it isn't ever going to happen. The iPad Pro is their answer. The Mac is getting investment commensurate with its marketshare and importance. Massively out resourced by an iOS based product.

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                  October 27, 2016 11:08 AM

                  And yet, the Mac is more of Apple's revenue than the iPad! (okay so it's 12% vs 9%, but still though)

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                    October 27, 2016 11:12 AM

                    They just neglected to refresh the Mac for 2 full years. Their priorities could not be clearer (and are correct). They could've done no redesign at all and Mac sales would've been basically flat as well. The ceiling on that market is well understood and it's a very small part of their business now.

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              October 27, 2016 11:04 AM

              That's an iPad Pro running an ARM-Compiled version of OSX-full rather than OSX-TouchDeviceEdition(tm)

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            October 27, 2016 2:22 PM

            Cook has explicitly said they are not going to do that: https://techcrunch.com/2015/11/16/cook-throws-shade-at-surface-book/

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              October 27, 2016 2:30 PM

              The have explicitly said no to a few things before, like making bigger phones.

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        October 27, 2016 10:48 AM

        Honestly it seems like a gimmick feature from one of the shitty Windows laptop OEMs. :(

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          October 27, 2016 10:49 AM

          I think it looks like a cool addition, just not for pro models, this should be on consumer devices like the macbook.

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            October 27, 2016 10:50 AM

            Yeah except you have to get it in the hands of developers for them to be able to develop for it

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          October 27, 2016 10:53 AM

          hey I use red eye removal way more than any function key! /s

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      October 27, 2016 10:45 AM

      ALL THIS SHIT CAN BE DONE ON THE BIG SCREEN IN FRONT OF YOU!!!!

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      October 27, 2016 10:45 AM

      Okay, Apple, cool emoji bar. Pro question: HOW FAST IS IT??

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      October 27, 2016 10:45 AM

      Squint at those "previews" of your Safari tabs to find the one you want!

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      October 27, 2016 10:46 AM

      The TouchBar is totally stupid and useless.

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      October 27, 2016 10:46 AM

      Why haven't they put the touch bar closer to the track pad ?

      It feels more like a mouse replacement than a typing helper.

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      October 27, 2016 10:47 AM

      Holy fuck, they have to be planting some people close to mics to laugh at their dumbfuck jokes. Also literally everything they have been saying about the oled panel has been infuriating.

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        October 27, 2016 10:47 AM

        infuriating? really?

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          October 27, 2016 10:49 AM

          Yes. Really. Emojis bar, spell check, removing functionality claiming nobody uses the goddamn function keys and more.

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            October 27, 2016 10:53 AM

            They didn't remove functionality. You have the same, it's just dynamic now.

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              October 27, 2016 10:53 AM

              They did remove functionality. A touchscreen does not replace a keyboard.

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                October 27, 2016 11:03 AM

                oh, so you've used it? You are able to determine whether or not it's a quality replacement?

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                  October 27, 2016 11:04 AM

                  Absolutely. I don't have to use it to know I can't use it without looking at it.

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                    October 27, 2016 11:06 AM

                    Sounds legit. Moving on I guess to more rational people.

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                      October 27, 2016 11:08 AM

                      What the fuck, dude. That's HOW KEYBOARDS WORK. If you don't use function keys, fine, but pretending that other people don't doesn't make it so.

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                  October 27, 2016 11:07 AM

                  Did you watch the demo and their examples? Have you ever typed on glas/touchpanels before? Do you realize why they made a big deal about their butterfly switches yet bend like a pretzel about benefits of a oled panel?

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                  October 27, 2016 1:34 PM

                  Yes. I had the Lenovo X1 that had his. It sucked. There is a reason Lenovo stopped it.

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              October 27, 2016 10:54 AM

              They are removing a tactile keyboard, with actual haptic feedback.

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                October 27, 2016 10:59 AM

                Tactile feedback is not functionality

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                  October 27, 2016 11:02 AM

                  It absolutely is.

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                  October 27, 2016 11:04 AM

                  A functioning keyboard with dedicated keys is. They are removing a complete row of keys with the argument that nobody uses them and are adding "dynamic" functionality with completely dumb examples they showed in the demo.

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        October 27, 2016 10:48 AM

        The people in the front row of Apple announcements are always employees so that they have people who will applaud on camera.

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      October 27, 2016 10:47 AM

      *pic of a woman on screen*
      "I think those are a great set... OF EDITS on screen."

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      October 27, 2016 10:48 AM

      It's 1995 and ToolBar customization. We've moved beyond tool bars. Just put a fucking touch screen on the nice big retina display.

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        October 27, 2016 10:50 AM

        Yeah a touch screen would have been so much more useful.

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        October 27, 2016 10:54 AM

        I don't understand their resist to that idea. All the other high end laptops, like the XPS, have it.

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          October 27, 2016 11:37 AM

          Probably because OS X doesn't natively support it. The UI touch areas are too small. The apps would all need to be updated. It took Microsoft many years from win7 to now 10 to add decent touch support and it's still not fully there.

          If they shoehorned it now, it would be bad user experience. They need to start somewhere so it's a chicken or egg thing.

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      October 27, 2016 10:48 AM

      This touchbar seems like something an Android OEM would put on a flagship phone.

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      October 27, 2016 10:49 AM

      Oh, fast user switching based on touch ID? How about putting that on an iPad? It'll never happen.

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      October 27, 2016 10:52 AM

      some actual specifications.... geez would that have been so hard Microsoft?

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      October 27, 2016 10:52 AM

      Surprised it's Skylake.

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        October 27, 2016 11:00 AM

        Yeah, you'd think they'd be getting dibs on KabyLake supplies at this point.

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          October 27, 2016 11:03 AM

          There are already Kaby Lake PCs so no dibs are required.

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            October 27, 2016 11:07 AM

            I don't think there are any quadcores floating around yet?

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      October 27, 2016 10:53 AM

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        October 27, 2016 10:54 AM

        Yeah same. It's not essential to me and i'll get used to it i'm sure. Having said that it bothers me more because it just screams of a company who has either run out of ideas, or is trying to compensate for their mistake to never introduce touchscreens on laptops.

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      October 27, 2016 10:54 AM

      All USB-C is a good move, though, and that's a good number of ports.

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        October 27, 2016 10:55 AM

        Only if the give me the adapters in the box with the laptop.

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          October 27, 2016 10:57 AM

          Did they give you miniDP -> DP/HDMI and others in the box before?

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      October 27, 2016 10:55 AM

      I know Apple's new cinema display isn't ready yet, but advertising someone else's display is a little weird. Especially when they call it the "ultimate docking station".

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      October 27, 2016 10:55 AM

      I'm surprised with this move that the iPhone7 doesn't use USB3-C or thunderbolt 3.

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        October 27, 2016 10:57 AM

        huge cost to Apple, ecosystem and consumers for relatively little gain

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        October 27, 2016 10:58 AM

        They'd probably rather go fully wireless than make every accessory manufacturer change specs again for another plug that's larger than the current one.

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        October 27, 2016 10:58 AM

        Too many millimeters.

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      October 27, 2016 10:56 AM

      Wow shes annoying as fuck

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      October 27, 2016 10:57 AM

      MagSafe! WHY NOT?!!??!@#$%@#$%
      Why couldnt they put that back in?

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        October 27, 2016 10:59 AM

        courage. apple is about taking things out. esc key, headphones, magsafe.

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      October 27, 2016 10:58 AM

      Scrub to a precise location in your 2 hour video on your tiny little bar.

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        October 27, 2016 10:59 AM

        Don't forget that you'll have to move your hand to the touchpad to put focus where ever focus is required to use it when you could just use that motion to, you know... go to the actual locaiton in the timeline that's already on screen.

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      October 27, 2016 10:58 AM

      No serious professional would use that touch bar for editing, give me a break.

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      October 27, 2016 11:01 AM

      This woman reminds me of my grade school teacher.

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      October 27, 2016 11:02 AM

      Realllllllllly fun anddddddd *yawwwwwnn*

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      October 27, 2016 11:02 AM

      I'd rather use the Surface Dial than the touch bar.

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        October 27, 2016 11:03 AM

        MS killed it yesterday its not even funny

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          October 27, 2016 11:09 AM

          So true.

          This is all they have? A touch bar on the MacBook Pro?

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            October 27, 2016 11:13 AM

            No. They bumped the specs, made it thinner, made the trackpad bigger, added the latest ports, improved the screen and keyboard. It's a fairly hefty update for a product that a lot of people were going to buy anyway.

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        October 27, 2016 11:23 AM

        But would you carry it around with your laptop at all times?

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      October 27, 2016 11:03 AM

      I don't see how this touchbar replaces regular keyboard shortcuts

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        October 27, 2016 11:04 AM

        Digital vs analog control. You can adjust using degrees of change using the touch bar but it doesn't seem to really give any good tactile feedback.

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      October 27, 2016 11:03 AM

      Use these sliders to input precise values using a really imprecise input method!

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        October 27, 2016 11:04 AM

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          October 27, 2016 11:04 AM

          ... have you ever used a touch screen?

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            October 27, 2016 11:05 AM

            The hit targets are huge and it's a single row of interactive elements. It'll be fine

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              October 27, 2016 11:07 AM

              Go try to input a precise value with a slider that's 2" long and has values from 1-100 and get back to me on how well you do.

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          October 27, 2016 11:05 AM

          You could even see it in the demo she's doing right now. Value was "20", she lifted her finger and it moved to "19"

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          October 27, 2016 11:05 AM

          4.9 ... 5.1... 4.9... 5.1... 4.8... (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

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            October 27, 2016 4:32 PM

            God this needs WAY more love.

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      October 27, 2016 11:03 AM

      Virtual sliders are apparently the future. Microsoft's dial was way cooler and more usable.

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        October 27, 2016 11:04 AM

        So you've used both?

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          October 27, 2016 11:06 AM

          You've never used a touch slider before? Does this really require a rebuttal?

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          October 27, 2016 11:09 AM

          nobody has used what's just been announced so if that's a prerequisite for discussion we can all just stop talking until the product is in stores...

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            October 27, 2016 11:14 AM

            That's not a prerequisite for discussion. It's a prerequisite to determine if something is usable or functionally better.

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              October 27, 2016 11:15 AM

              so essentially no one can post analysis under this requirement

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                October 27, 2016 11:17 AM

                Please explain how you can make a determination on is something is usable without having use it or reading reviews of people using it first?

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                  October 27, 2016 11:24 AM

                  By empirical data/former experience/extrapolation. You seem to struggle with that easy concept.

                  Here in steps you might be able to grasp:

                  1. We have used function keys before
                  2. We have used touch input on oled before

                  3. Making an assumption based on that shared experience (and historical knowledge how that shit worked for lenovo) by removing 1 and replacing it with 2 on top of the demos/arguments they brought up.

                  Saying you can't argue about the value of these changes until having used both is plain dumb.

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                    October 27, 2016 11:31 AM

                    You are also omitting the historical information of apple introducing touch screens to products that generally are responsive and work.

                    Please show a previous example of an oled touch pad on a laptop that you have experience on though.

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                October 27, 2016 11:22 AM

                http://www.shacknews.com/chatty?id=35582692#item_35582692

                this is an example of discussion an analysis by sKetchflow.

                Do you see a difference between his post and Conan's?

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                  October 27, 2016 11:26 AM

                  he spent more words and thoughts on an opinion equally grounded in not having used it

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                    October 27, 2016 11:38 AM

                    You honestly don't see a difference? He's having an actual discussion. Conan basically said "it's shit" and dismissed a product and claimed it bad as fact without ever using it. It's at least then a discussion with thought put into it rather than just trolling. Some how you think it's equal.

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                      October 27, 2016 11:39 AM

                      no the problem is that somehow you think every reply in a product announcements thread needs to be a multipagraph analysis couched with all sorts of caveats about how we haven't actually gotten to try this ourselves yet. People are allowed to post simple reactions.

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                        October 27, 2016 11:44 AM

                        I didn't say or think that....they certainly are able to post simple reactions, but then they are certainly open to being criticized for being a troll for posting trollish comments.

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        October 27, 2016 11:17 AM

        Yeah I think for a lot of applications it would be, but I also think it'd be mostly useful on the Studio.

        I feel like on a regular Surface it'd be annoying in how much screen space it'd take up so you'd probably just use it on a desk in which case it's not like it's anything revolutionary:

        https://www.amazon.com/Griffin-PowerMate-Multimedia-Control-Computers/dp/B01HDRW910/ref=pd_lpo_147_tr_t_3?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=58XRT1RM0SFN0G7RX4VZ

        I'm sure it feels better than that thing but it's not revolutionary.

        Overall the touch bar and the knob thing are pretty meh, but I'm not expecting a magical new thing here. It's a laptop and until augmented reality or VR start taking off I'm not expecting major breakthroughs.

        Surface book is about as 'revolutionary' as laptops are gonna get from here on out.

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      October 27, 2016 11:05 AM

      Are these presentations backwards.. I'd rather use a surface and the dial than a tiny strip that's not much bigger than the thermometer inside my refrigerator

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        October 27, 2016 11:10 AM

        I love how Jennifer Aniston can't stop laughing.

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      October 27, 2016 11:13 AM

      Man if Excel is gonna have those shitty cell styles instead of fucking F2, this is out for me.

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      October 27, 2016 11:13 AM

      I want Jony Ive to narrate Autovista in Forza 7.

      Please Microsoft, make it so.

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        October 27, 2016 11:13 AM

        Hahahaha, that would be amazing.

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        October 27, 2016 11:17 AM

        Morgan Freeman and Jony Ive should have a monologue fight.

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      October 27, 2016 11:14 AM

      Couldnt wait any longer to hear that sexy voice

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      October 27, 2016 11:15 AM

      Incoming touch bar that replicates a desktop LED light bar.

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      October 27, 2016 11:15 AM

      Damn it EDGE, I set you to full screen on one of my monitors and you keep going back because I click somewhere else :(

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      October 27, 2016 11:16 AM

      Hey guys, our 3rd party vendors made stuff faster than decades ago!

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      October 27, 2016 11:16 AM

      Is there really any point in comparing the specs of the new Macbook Pro against a 25 year old computer? "It's 25 million times faster than the old one!"

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      October 27, 2016 11:18 AM

      wait what

      The new computers also have a dedicated key for Siri,

      http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/27/new-macs-macbook-pros-and-more-expected-at-apple-event.html

      So I assume this means Siri, when joined to actual computer horsepower, will be good?

      Is apple courageous enough to make Siri useful?

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        October 27, 2016 11:19 AM

        Siri came out on the version of MacOS that came out a few months ago. I honestly haven't really used it. It doesn't seem like it does any more than what the iPhone version does.

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        October 27, 2016 11:19 AM

        Ask Siri on macOS Sierra to set a Timer:
        "Sorry, I can't do that. Would you like a reminder instead?"

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      October 27, 2016 11:18 AM

      Im going to have to use a dongle to get anything done with the laptop. I hate dongles.

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        October 27, 2016 11:22 AM

        Counterpoint: every projector had to support VGA for many years because VGA was something every laptop supported, and every laptop had to support VGA for many years because VGA was something every projector supported.

        Someone's got to break the cycle.

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          October 27, 2016 11:25 AM

          Im just talking about my usb storage keys. Now, they are all incompatible without a dongle.

          And I have never used a projector.

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      October 27, 2016 11:19 AM

      lol, claps for the 13" with traditional function keys

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      October 27, 2016 11:19 AM

      What a confusing lineup

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      October 27, 2016 11:21 AM

      Wait, so the Air is unchanged? Or gone?

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        October 27, 2016 11:23 AM

        Air is unchanged and still for sale but i'd bet you many dollars that it's gonna be phased out slowly.

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          October 27, 2016 11:24 AM

          They argued against the Air needing to exist, perhaps, except for price? And that's not a thing that keeps a product in an Apple lineup.

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            October 27, 2016 11:28 AM

            yeah by 'slowly' I mean 'while supplies last'

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      October 27, 2016 11:22 AM

      Man, I really want one.

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      October 27, 2016 11:22 AM

      I think its all fine, EXCEPT the lack of magsafe. Seriously, thats something that all laptops should have. Even PC ones

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        October 27, 2016 11:24 AM

        Do you like the convenience? Or is it because it lets go when you trip over it?

        I like MagSafe but it's always been a bit of a thorn in the side of some vendors like Henge Docks because they won't license it out to anyone. If any old USB-C port can charge the thing now, there's some upsides to be had.

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          October 27, 2016 11:30 AM

          Magnetic power connectors have saved my ass quite a few times when I stupidly pick up something sitting on a desk and just walk away with it.

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            October 27, 2016 11:32 AM

            What if they moved the magnetic connector to the other side? So USB-C on the laptop and magsafe to the brick.

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              October 27, 2016 11:35 AM

              Wouldn't help me 90% of the time. Power brick isn't just floating in space, it's tucked away and so is the cord length that's not needed to reach the device. So your still put pressure on the connector

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            October 27, 2016 11:49 AM

            I'm willing to bet some enterprising company will make a magnetic/brake away USB-C cable.

            Won't solve the convenience of the thing snapping into place because magnets but it would be half the battle.

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        October 27, 2016 11:35 AM

        You have to depend on a dongle now: https://griffintechnology.com/us/breaksafe-magnetic-usb-c-power-cable

        Sorry. But at least someone's doing something, right?

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      October 27, 2016 11:22 AM

      This sounds like a wrap up... no desktop talk? interdasting.

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      October 27, 2016 11:23 AM

      One more thing? No?

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      October 27, 2016 11:24 AM

      that kind of sucked, i was hoping for a new imac announcement

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        October 27, 2016 11:26 AM

        I was curious to see if they were going to do one as well.

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      October 27, 2016 11:25 AM

      Most boring tech announcement stream I've watched this year.

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      October 27, 2016 11:25 AM

      Is this the most boring apple event ever ???

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        October 27, 2016 11:27 AM

        spoiler alert: laptops are boring

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          October 27, 2016 11:29 AM

          I really don't know what people are expecting here (especially after that leak). It's a laptop. Shit ain't gonna change until a major revolution in battery tech or VR/AR tech comes along.

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            October 27, 2016 11:30 AM

            The mac pro are longgggggggg over due, its not about just laptops.

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              October 27, 2016 11:31 AM

              what does that even mean?

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                October 27, 2016 11:32 AM

                It means that there were no desktop announcements (iMac or MacPro) even though those are long overdue for hardware upgrades too.

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                  October 27, 2016 11:35 AM

                  oh gotcha. I read macbook pro and was very confused.

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            October 27, 2016 11:31 AM

            And the one thing it does that's new and different and visually interesting? People don't like it because it's different.

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              October 27, 2016 11:33 AM

              No, people don't like it because it removes functionality that Apple deems is archaic and obsolete without considering that a lot of people may still rely on that technology every day. If they added a touch bar above the function keys people would be more accepting IMO.

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                October 27, 2016 11:52 AM

                Like I said, because it's different.

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                  October 27, 2016 11:54 AM

                  Oh but in looking at the 15" model I agree it would make sense to have kept both because there's room.

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              October 27, 2016 3:06 PM

              I don't like it because it's been done before and sucks.

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          October 27, 2016 11:29 AM

          Seems like alot of people dont give a shit about that new touch bar. And a new tv app. Thats it. No iMac, no mac pro, no display.

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            October 27, 2016 11:31 AM

            those things all would be boring too.

            New iMac/Cinema display: more pixels, more colors.
            New Mac Pro: no one cares

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              October 27, 2016 11:32 AM

              well, MS did announce something really fucking cool yesterday

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          October 27, 2016 11:34 AM

          People flipped out at the Surface Book unveiling

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            October 27, 2016 11:36 AM

            It was genuinely cool, but the refreshed Book yesterday was similarly pretty boring. Studio was the oooh and ahhh grabber.

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              October 27, 2016 11:38 AM

              Yeah the refreshed one was of course similarly boring, but we have no idea what the next ooh and ahh could be from laptops as no one predicted the Book before it happened.

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              October 27, 2016 11:43 AM

              That's because it was just a refresh. They only put a new CPU in it. They didn't jump to USB-C or add a cool port or do much of anything. Refreshes are boring.

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        October 27, 2016 11:33 AM

        Absolutely

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      October 27, 2016 11:25 AM

      Did they raise the base price on all the models by $200?

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        October 27, 2016 11:44 AM

        Yup. Happens every major design refresh then usually one or two generations in it slips back down in price.

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      October 27, 2016 11:26 AM

      what kind of video performance is IRIS 850 or Radeon 400 on the pro?

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      October 27, 2016 11:26 AM

      Super underwhelming

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        October 27, 2016 11:27 AM

        Did they say anything about battery life? Did I miss that?

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          October 27, 2016 11:27 AM

          I didn't hear anything about it either.

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          October 27, 2016 11:30 AM

          10 hours.

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            October 27, 2016 11:32 AM

            And the new Surface Book claims up to 16? Yikes.

            What's the current mbp life?

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              October 27, 2016 11:37 AM

              Are Surface Books dual or quad core (their site's tech specs suck)?

              But yeah that's kinda surprising.

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                October 27, 2016 11:39 AM

                Yeah, think they're just dual core and probably a generation or two behind until they get truly refreshed.

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                  October 27, 2016 12:59 PM

                  The Surface Book i7 is surely quad core? Probably on par with the MBP actually, since they're both i7 Skylakes.

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                    October 27, 2016 2:46 PM

                    The only place I can find any mention of it is in a Wired article and I don't think it's right.

                    Non of the marketing material talks about quad core

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                      October 27, 2016 2:51 PM

                      I can't find it said explicitly either way. I would guess since they refreshed their CPU/GPU and thermals right before a new MBP was announced, they would put a quad core in it to make sure they are competitive, but I guess we'll wait for benchmarks.

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              October 27, 2016 11:48 AM

              I'll believe it when we have the Anandtech benchmarks for both products. Battery claims are notoriously fickle.

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            October 27, 2016 11:34 AM

            ^^^ this is correct.

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      October 27, 2016 11:27 AM

      $300 for a touch bar is insane. I'd rather get a full-blown iPad mini to go along with it for that cash

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      October 27, 2016 11:28 AM

      Was that a whole hour of masturbating to the Touch Bar? Dear Lord.

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      October 27, 2016 11:30 AM

      So the Escape Key controversy is mostly moot since you can get the new MBP with regular keys?

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        October 27, 2016 11:31 AM

        Macbook not mbp if I heard that right (was in the kitchen).

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          October 27, 2016 11:31 AM

          I believe it's still a 13" MacBook Pro but is the entry tier.

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          October 27, 2016 11:32 AM

          13-inch MBP comes in a cheaper version with real keys, is cheaper, but also slower.

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            October 27, 2016 12:16 PM

            I just checked, the entry is now also a few hundred euros (450-550€) more expensive O_o

            Das kleine Einstiegsmodell des MacBook Pro 13 Zoll ohne Touch Bar wird in der Basiskonfiguration ab 1.699 Euro verfügbar sein. Das ausgewachsene MacBook Pro 13 Zoll kostet mindestens 1.999 Euro (bisher 1.449 Euro) und die Basisvariante des MacBook Pro 15 Zoll 2.699 Euro (bisher 2.249 Euro). Die Einstiegspreise steigen um 550 respektive 450 Euro. Alle neuen MacBooks können ab sofort bei Apple bestellt werden, die Auslieferung für das kleinste Modell beginnt heute, die der beiden anderen in zwei bis drei Wochen. Im Lieferumfang befinden sich ein Netzteil (61 bzw. 87 Watt) und ein zwei Meter langes Kabel USB Typ C auf USB Typ C.

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        October 27, 2016 11:33 AM

        Only 13", not 15. And it's got less features and speed.

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      October 27, 2016 11:33 AM

      So I need a lightning to 3.5mm adapter to use the new headphones I bought for my phone. Nice!

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        October 27, 2016 11:34 AM

        Lol.. yep.

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        October 27, 2016 11:37 AM

        People will complain about anything, I am certain you will see this complaint from people.

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        October 27, 2016 11:39 AM

        Lightning headphones seem like the worst. A BT headset with detachable cable for everything else seems like the most versatile option

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          October 27, 2016 11:47 AM

          ^^^ Right. I think the point was that headphones would be cordless, not to replace the cord with another cord.

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          October 27, 2016 12:13 PM

          Yep, plus we need to fucking get on the USB-C train already.

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        October 27, 2016 11:39 AM

        Yeah this is a supremely idiotic decision by Apple

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        October 27, 2016 11:44 AM

        Wait, did people really buy lightning headphones? Really? And you didn't think it was a waste of money?

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          October 27, 2016 11:44 AM

          I had courage

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          October 27, 2016 11:48 AM

          They come with the iPhone 7

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            October 27, 2016 11:52 AM

            Yeah, because not including them would have been worse, but I just use Bluetooth with my iPhone 7 most of the time, because it sounds a lot better than those shitty earbuds.

            I also have a Oppo HA-2SE which I use when I want to use my Beyerdynamic D1770s with my iPhone 7, because it sounds a million times better than any headphones I could plug directly in. I would use the same thing with any phone regardless, including Android phones since it works with those as well.

            External DACs are the way to go with phones if you want decent sound, and Bluetooth is better if you want convenience.

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              October 27, 2016 11:53 AM

              *DT1770 I meant

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              October 27, 2016 11:57 AM

              Just plug the usb charger in every four hours, oh wait you need a dongle for that too.

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                October 27, 2016 11:58 AM

                The Oppo charges the phone at the same time.

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        October 27, 2016 11:55 AM

        Fuck. Someone remind me why iPhones don't have USB-C connectors? Google did it.

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          October 27, 2016 11:57 AM

          Dongle courage

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          October 27, 2016 11:58 AM

          Because fuck you that's why

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          October 27, 2016 12:09 PM

          The consensus around that seems to point to how Apple wants control over the iPhone interface in a way that they don't for USB components, and USB-C is still physically larger than Lightning which is a problem when you're cramped for space.

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          October 27, 2016 12:22 PM

          Have you seen the cluster fuck that is USB-C chargers? Someone was legitimately worried about frying the USB port on their new car because of the crazy USB-C charging stuff that has bricked phones and computers.

          Meanwhile Apple charges for their MFi program but there is a much more assured way to not fry your shit.

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            October 27, 2016 12:23 PM

            So won't that be a problem with Macbooks also?

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              October 27, 2016 12:26 PM

              Yes but generally the price tag makes it so that people are a bit more careful. It will still happen but not to the extent it does with phones since it requires a bigger charger.

              In the end USB-C will mature, and maybe Apple will put it in their phones and tablets, but there is still more than just one reason for Apple to keep Lightning for now.

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            October 27, 2016 3:02 PM

            this is obviously not the reason because apple is going exclusively usb-c on their laptops. if they were concerned about a safety issue with usb-c, they wouldn't be putting it on every other product except iphones. they're just too invested into the lightning connector on iphones to switch

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          October 27, 2016 12:54 PM

          Google had an extra supply of courage.

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          October 27, 2016 2:29 PM

          Probably because Google did it.

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          October 27, 2016 4:25 PM

          because they made Lightning years prior to USB-C to solve the problems more quickly than a committee and now switching ports has a large cost to everyone in the ecosystem that isn't really worth the cost (a cost Apple is intimately familiar with having done the switch before)

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        October 27, 2016 11:57 AM

        Yeah, that seems like a pretty huge oversight, honestly.

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      October 27, 2016 11:39 AM

      Okay, which i7 cpu line is in these laptops?

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        October 27, 2016 11:41 AM

        Skylake

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        October 27, 2016 11:44 AM

        They said 6th gen so its Skylake. I thought they'd wait for Kaby Lake since that has integrated Thunderbolt 3 but it looks like they used a separate chipset for that. Guess the wait was on the touch bar

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          October 27, 2016 11:57 AM

          The new Surface doesn't use Kaby Lake either. Production issues at Intel maybe?

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            October 27, 2016 12:01 PM

            The CPUs for mobile were just released. I guess that means they show up in laptops later then, idk. Either way the difference from Skylake is minimal. The biggest improvement was integrated Thunderbolt 3 but it looks like everyone is using an external controller anyway

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            October 27, 2016 2:58 PM

            I can only think of the dell xps line which is using kaby lake right now. I'd guess it must either be a cost or supply issue. Apple and i guess microsoft as well now won't lower their margins while dell seems fine with it.

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      October 27, 2016 11:56 AM

      WTF no 32 GB RAM upgrade option???? 16 is still the cap???

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      October 27, 2016 11:57 AM

      Wow, pricing some out. These motherfuckers is expensive.

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      October 27, 2016 12:08 PM

      Okay, who ordered?

      I'm replacing my late 2009 MBP 13".

      Grabbed the new 13" with bar (Space Grey):
      3.1GHz Dual-core Intel Core i5
      8GB 2133MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
      Intel Iris Graphics 550
      256GB PCIe-based SSD
      Four Thunderbolt 3 ports

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        October 27, 2016 12:10 PM

        Right now I am seriously leaning towards getting a Dell XPS 15.

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          October 27, 2016 12:20 PM

          Our prices here are probably out of whack but with the same specs and warranty dell was selling the xps on sale for almost half the price of the mbp yesterday. That’s just crazy, apple has raise the price by 400-550 euro compared to the old models.

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            October 27, 2016 12:26 PM

            You can also configure the XPS with 32gigs of RAM. I'm waiting to see if they add nVidia Pascal GPUs. They have them in the Alienware line already.

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        October 27, 2016 12:16 PM

        For those who do order, advice: get AppleCare on them although you can do that any time in the first year of owning them. It is always a must imho for first gen redesigns just in case anything screwy is found down the line.

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          October 27, 2016 2:02 PM

          Totally. I always get it with every device.

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          October 27, 2016 3:52 PM

          Never buy it from Apple though. Always buy it from B&H or someone that does sales on it periodically.

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        October 27, 2016 3:16 PM

        You sure about just 8GB of RAM?

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          October 27, 2016 3:32 PM

          I don't do too intensive of things. Just going to be using for day to day when I need a full OS instead of my iPad Pro.

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        October 27, 2016 8:47 PM

        Giving my old 15" 2012 MBP to my sister.

        Getting the new new:
        15-inch MacBook Pro - Space Gray
        With the following configuration:
        • 2.9GHz quad-core Intel Core i7 processor, Turbo Boost up to 3.8GHz
        • 16GB 2133MHz memory
        • 512GB PCIe-based SSD
        • Radeon Pro 460 with 4GB memory
        • Backlit Keyboard (English) & User's Guide
        • Four Thunderbolt 3 ports
        • Touch Bar and Touch ID
        • Force Touch trackpad
        • Accessory Kit

        It pisses me off to spend this much on a machine that is so under powered for the price ; (

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      October 27, 2016 12:16 PM

      Apple finally updated the AirPods page to change "Available Late October" to "Coming Soon". :(

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      October 27, 2016 12:20 PM

      Microsoft is pulling ahead in this space.

      Bizarre

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      October 27, 2016 12:34 PM

      I thought it was a pretty underwhelming event. The Touch Bar seems like it should be a consumer feature on the Macbook, not pro. And the Mac line got pretty confusing.

      I'm more impressed by what Microsoft put out this week.

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      October 27, 2016 12:41 PM

      r/apple Is in a mild meltdown right now, everyone is stunned at the price hikes. €2700 euros for a laptop with 256gb ssd, lol.

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      October 27, 2016 12:49 PM

      MBP for vim users: http://imgur.com/a/AJuPF

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      October 27, 2016 12:53 PM

      was thinking usb sticks would be a problem but I guess I've used the cloud to transfer stuff these days

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      October 27, 2016 1:07 PM

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        October 27, 2016 1:17 PM

        Wow. That's a crazy step back

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        October 27, 2016 1:23 PM

        What the?!? The smaller size is not worth that premium, and the decreased performance. The non-touch model seems like a bad deal.

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        October 27, 2016 1:26 PM

        Yowza! Smaller battery. What the hell is Apple thinking with these SKUs?!

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          October 27, 2016 4:29 PM

          Well, its impressive that the battery is ~30% smaller but still has the same life.

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            October 27, 2016 4:42 PM

            I do wish they would've left it as is and given me hella more battery life :P

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              October 27, 2016 8:49 PM

              10 hours is still pretty good right. My shirt work Lenovo laptop gets 1.5 hours.

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        October 27, 2016 6:43 PM

        Not available in Space Gray? pfft

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      October 27, 2016 1:09 PM

      i usually upgrade to the latest MBP whenever they come out, but this one i'm skipping

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      October 27, 2016 1:18 PM

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      October 27, 2016 1:19 PM

      So, I'm not an experienced Apple guy, never personally used their products. However, my wife has been a long-time iPhone user, and has a 13.3" 2006 macbook that's long overdue for an upgrade. She has been using my Win 10 desktop, but she hates the UI and doesn't want to take the time to learn it. So, I decided to get her a new macbook, and was waiting for this refresh. Her main use case is bills, photo management (not really editing beyond basic, basic stuff), shopping, and a few other things.

      I really like the addition of TouchID and integration of Apple Pay, but I'm not sure that it's the right call to invest in the new, very expensive models. Any insight on what would be the best decision here? My wife has kept her laptop in nearly pristine condition for 10 years, so this would definitely be a long-term investment.

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        October 27, 2016 1:25 PM

        Hit up the Apple refurb and buy the previous model. Get something with at least 8GB of ram, and preferably 16GB.

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        October 27, 2016 2:37 PM

        Long-term is always a hard call. Some MacBook lines don't make it to 5, others can't be defeated.

        - You can go refurb last-gen for a bit cheaper. That would already be a huge jump for her, and her usage scenario is, as you said, basic.
        - The new MBP 13 without Touch ID seems useless and overpriced.
        - The new MBP 13 with the strip is expensive, but maybe she uses Apple Pay a lot?
        - Show her how much an HP Envy 13 costs for comparison. Does she hate Windows 10 that much? (she probably does lol)

        Educate her on the dongle situation (gonna need lots of them) and then let her decide?

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          October 27, 2016 2:41 PM

          She just asked me to setup Apple Pay for her like two days ago since she keeps forgetting her wallet at home. In the past, she didn't want to do it because she didn't trust the security (despite my attempt to explain it), but once inconvenience reared its head, she seems to have changed her tune. It still remains to be seen how much she'll actually use it. Love the idea though.

          She really doesn't like Windows. She just wants to effectively manage her photos more than anything, and to her mind, that means using iPhotos or whatever is on OSX. No chance of talking her out of it. (Plus, part of me doesn't want to since I won't have the blame fall on me if anything goes wrong.)

          I'm going to take her into an Apple store so she can check out the touch bar, check out the different screen sizes, and make sure she's making an informed decision.

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            October 27, 2016 2:50 PM

            Not knowing your financial situation I can only say that a refurbished MBP 13 or 15 + nice dinner + pocket change sounds like the best deal for both of you.

            As far as Apple Pay and TouchID, macOS Sierra supports Apple Pay in Safari. The way it works is that she would initiate the purchase on her MacBook, then her iPhone would get a pop-up to authorize with her fingerprint on the phone's TouchID sensor. Since she has an iPhone, the convenience of putting the finger on the laptop instead of the phone might not be worth hundreds of dollars.

            She might like the Touch Bar and it might be useful for photo stuff.

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              October 27, 2016 2:53 PM

              We're in an okay financial position, but that's probably because we don't like spending more money than we have to. Haha. I like your first suggestion, but why a refurb versus just a new version of the prior year model? That much of a price savings?

              That's really helpful to know. Unless she loves the touch bar, I don't think that will be worth the extra money. So, maybe that's what it comes down to. If she falls in love with it, then maybe I'll get the 13" Touch; otherwise, I'll make the case for a refurb or prior year model.

              Thanks for your input on this. Really helpful.

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      October 27, 2016 1:25 PM

      Another Apple product launch that's leaving me SEVERELY unimpressed.

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        October 27, 2016 1:32 PM

        I'm severely impressed by their audacious pricing.

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        October 27, 2016 1:37 PM

        thats just your fault for having expectations

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        October 27, 2016 1:41 PM

        Their expensive devices seem only aimed at mobile video guys. The Mac Pro is great for DITs who are always on location, same for photographers I'd assume. This MBP feels like a more integrated version of that.

        For everyone else, not so much. I know its a tiny tiny market and its not the early 2000s anymore, but it sure would be cool if they started making workstations again

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        October 27, 2016 1:44 PM

        They've really lost the ability, apparently, to wow people. That touch bar is cool but seems more gimmicky than useful. It's also unbelievably they didn't and still don't have a 4K panel to sell, and that the iMac didn't at least get an update. Also the Mac pro is retired at this point I guess.

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        October 27, 2016 1:46 PM

        Bullshit

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          October 27, 2016 3:29 PM

          did you actually read the article, or just scan the url? I thought it made some good points

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            October 27, 2016 3:40 PM

            Read the article. Dumb as crap on a pogo stick.

            Tim is not Steve. Ballmer or Jobs. Under Cook, Apple has been more charitable (not like Jobs) and has taken principled stands (FBI case) much like Jobs would have.

            I will see your Ballmer and raise you a Henry Ford and Walt Disney. Sure, companies struggle when they lose their visionary, but no company has ever been left in such strong financial health as Apple when Jobs passed away. The idea that Apple doesn't jump curves is laughable because we won't know until they do. If they do.

            It does require a leap of faith that Apple's innovation didn't come down to the mind of one man. It is the greatest sandbox in the tech industry, and I am in the camp that we haven't seen their last game changing device in consumer electronics. Only time will tell sadly, so articles like this will sound reasonable until a new product really blows people away.

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              October 27, 2016 5:00 PM

              At what point do articles like these earn some form of legitimacy?

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                October 27, 2016 5:05 PM

                When Apple has multiple years of revenue declines and market share shortfalls. If things don't improve by 2019-2020, fine he is Ballmer. Tim has presided over a lot of successful years at the company since Steve's passing. Game changers take more than a few years to develop. As I said above, these articles make a fine point. Until they don't.

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        October 27, 2016 2:10 PM

        This is so silly.

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      October 27, 2016 2:00 PM

      No 32GB ram option :(

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        October 27, 2016 2:09 PM

        Bad news, new mbp over priced with several limitations.

        Good news, buy the time i've saved up enough to buy one there will be another update.

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          October 27, 2016 2:12 PM

          My boss said he would get me a fully spec'd one but I need 32:(

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            October 27, 2016 2:21 PM

            connect 16gb of ram via Thunderbolt.

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              October 27, 2016 3:55 PM

              Is that a thing or are you being funny??

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      October 27, 2016 3:06 PM

      Completely forgot about this.

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      October 27, 2016 3:15 PM

      What a disappointment. The company that made the tablet a huge market success gives us...television...and a small evolutionary advancement to the notebook. And worse, tools and interfaces that are so intuitive on an iPad with a touchscreen are turned into sad little hacks in their little trackbar on a Macbook "Pro."

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      October 27, 2016 3:32 PM

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      October 27, 2016 3:35 PM

      Well, shit. The 'TV' app on AppleTV will support everything except Netflix. Bummer.

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        October 27, 2016 3:51 PM

        it seems targeted at apps that use cable provider credentials, but i would love netflix, hulu, and amazon support as well.

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          October 27, 2016 3:54 PM

          Amazon still hasn't even put out an AppleTV app. Not just for Amazon Video, but for anything they own. No Twitch client, no Amazon shopping app, no Comixology reader. It's shitty how petty they're being toward Apple TV because nobody cares about the Fire TV.

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            October 27, 2016 3:55 PM

            well, that seems like two competitors not playing nice together. that does not surprise me.

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            October 27, 2016 3:57 PM

            Amazon thinks if they play hardball long enough they'll be able to negotiate a better cut - they don't want you to not be able to sign up for Amazon Prime or whatever through the Apple TV app but if they do that they'll have to give 30% to Apple.

            IIRC, this is why YouTube Red is more expensive if you subscribe through the apps.

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              October 27, 2016 4:06 PM

              Yeah, I know. But in the meantime, it's shitty for customers. I still get confused when I can't get a comic in Comixology, or watch a video that's not on Prime without opening up a browser.

              However, these apps still exist on iOS, so them not being available on AppleTV seems less like it's about the amount Apple takes, since that wouldn't change.

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          October 27, 2016 3:55 PM

          My bet would be Netflix isn't sure they want to be in the app - like maybe they like having you in the Netflix app and looking at all their content, not their content mixed in with a bunch of other stuff.

          I'm wondering how Netflix's "everything in the new season at once" model is going to play out long term. On the one hand it plays to their strengths so well there's literally a sex euphemism for it, on the other hand people keep an HBO subscription to see their favorite new shows every week, people sign up for a month of Netflix, watch what they want, then cancel.

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            October 27, 2016 3:56 PM

            netflix loves me, I don't cancel that stuff :)

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            October 27, 2016 4:02 PM

            I can understand that Netflix wants to promote their branding and make sure that the next thing you watch after you finish one series is another one on Netflix. I think it's ultimately going to be bad for them, though, because I'll see a lot more content in the TV app and maybe forget that I was watching a series in Netflix unless I was really invested in it.

            It would be nice if the TV app had some kind of discovery feature that would suggest shows across all apps. Maybe then Netflix would go for it.

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              October 27, 2016 4:03 PM

              It does suggest stuff actually, and pretty sure it wasn't just iTunes stuff but other apps as well.

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          October 27, 2016 3:58 PM

          It has Hulu, but Amazon doesn't have an Apple TV app, and Netflix isn't interested in working with other companies on stuff like this.

          I think Amazon on iOS won't work with the TV app either for similar reasons, where they don't want to work with Apple.

          To me this seems like an attempt to make 3rd party TV apps more tolerable. You can see on the Fire TV stuff Amazon does some similar integration, where you can add shows for 3rd parties (and Pay TV subscriptions) to your watch list.

          Apple is taking it a step further than anyone else by automatically tracking shows you watch in other apps. It is really smart to basically offer a single repository listing of shows that you watch, regardless of the source, and with minimal user interaction. Super easy to ask it to play a show you heard about and keep watching it, without ever thinking about what service it is on (once you set them up).

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            October 27, 2016 4:00 PM

            not saying its a bad thing at all. I look forwward to it on my ipad. but its basically a RSS reader for tv show apps on iOS. and while that is fine, it doesn't help me when its not everything I watch.

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              October 27, 2016 4:02 PM

              Yeah, it is unfortunate that basically Netflix and Amazon want to be their own experience without interference.

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            October 27, 2016 4:24 PM

            Super easy to ask it to play a show you heard about and keep watching it, without ever thinking about what service it is on (once you set them up).

            Which is why content services with sufficient power, like Netflix, will continue to opt out.

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        October 27, 2016 8:40 PM

        Really? Didn't the old apple tv support netflix? That's also insane.

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          October 27, 2016 9:17 PM

          The new Apple TV supports Netflix. What's happening here is the new app for that Apple TV that's designed to act as an all-in-one app to consolidate TV watching is one of those deals where every TV provider like NBC or HBO is going to have to integrate support for it, and Netflix hasn't or won't do that yet. You can still just go straight to Netflix, you just can't go to this new TV app and say "play House of Cards" and have it just work.

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      October 27, 2016 3:39 PM

      I just realized that if I wanted to console into a switch or router with one of these new Pros I would need two adapters. A serial to USB-A and USB-A to USB-C. Fun.

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      October 27, 2016 3:44 PM

      just came here to RIP
      - esc key
      - dedicated volume buttons
      - USB ports
      - magsafe power plug
      - the ability to plug in an iphone lmao

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      October 27, 2016 4:16 PM

      This sucks. I was really considering buying a mac laptop but what the hell is this? They expect me to pay $1800 for last years processor, 256gb of storage, 8GB of ram, and 4 goddamn ports I have fuck all that fits?

      My other options for OSX are a MacBook with only one useless port and anemic performance or a MacBook Air which I don't know why they're even still selling.

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        October 27, 2016 4:20 PM

        Their laptop lineup is a bit weird right now, yeah.

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          October 27, 2016 4:41 PM

          Maybe there will be a decent sale on the 2015 models soon.

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          October 27, 2016 5:19 PM

          Yeah, I don't understand the SKU strategy at all. It's as if they see the decline in sales and decided to give up on anything but the very high end of the market. But even then some of the design decisions are really questionable. You can't plug in a freaking iPhone! Would it kill them to include one regular USB port?

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            October 27, 2016 5:37 PM

            The 4 ports being USB-C is just fuck you arrogance. They made a big deal about how one port can drive pretty much all most people would ever need so why do I need 4 of them? Why not 2 and 2 USB 3.0 ports for the millions of devices people already have or hell even just one. There is nothing that would have prevented that from being possible.

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        October 27, 2016 4:46 PM

        Just wait for them to go up on the refurb store and then buy them, since it would mean that you are getting closer to the value you want.

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        October 27, 2016 5:04 PM

        ITT, people shocked that Apple's expensive.

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          October 27, 2016 5:08 PM

          More expensive. That's what the fuzz is about. Apple is now expensiver than they used to be.

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            October 27, 2016 5:17 PM

            and laptops are less useful than they used to be

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          October 27, 2016 5:34 PM

          I don't care about the price, but it's hard to justify spending money on the new model when the base hardware is the exact same as what they used for the last gen model.

          I was planning to upgrade but I don't think it's worth my time.

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          October 27, 2016 5:47 PM

          It's more expensive than the most recent model MacBook Pro. However, with the Surface being nearly as expensive and the same with the Dell XPS 15, I'm thinking that either these companies know that they can maintain high margins or the bill of materials cost to them has increased. It's a little unusual that all the major brands would have more expensive laptops in the same year.

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            October 27, 2016 5:53 PM

            At least with the XPS you can get 32gigs of RAM and a 4K display.

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            October 27, 2016 5:57 PM

            The surface has its own neat tricks for the price and from what I just looked at on dell the XPS line is much more powerful with higher resolution displays at the 13" $1500 and 15" $2500 price points even before the 10% coupon they currently have.

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              October 27, 2016 6:02 PM

              I like the XPS 15 but my brother who has one has run into driver problems with it. Especially when WIndows 10 forces an update.

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                October 27, 2016 8:02 PM

                I've been reading a lot about the XPS and it looks like a lot of the early driver problems have been resolved. Skyake had some teething problems.

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            October 27, 2016 7:43 PM

            The new surface book is just as expensive, with half the ram, half the cpu, not sure about the gpu, and probably slower SSD speed. Smaller screen as well.

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              October 27, 2016 8:07 PM

              What? 13" i7 MBP with 8GB/256GB is 2.1k. Surface Book is 2.4k but includes a dGPU, touch screen, and stylus. The pricing is basically right in line.

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                October 27, 2016 8:17 PM

                15" MBP for $2.4k has faster CPU, double the RAM, faster dGPU, faster SSD, and a larger screen. I think that's the model he was talking about

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          October 27, 2016 5:54 PM

          Apple saw an article from IBM saying that factoring in support and replacement, Macs are cheaper over the long term than PCs and said "challenge accepted".

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        October 27, 2016 5:31 PM

        Did they really not upgrade the processor at all? My 2015 MBP has a faster clock speed than the top of the line model 2016, what the fuck.

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        October 27, 2016 7:23 PM

        I'm keeping my current MB Pro for the time being. The touchbar just seems gimmicky and doesn't really fill a need that I have.

        Mine is a couple years old and still runs like a champ, but I was interested. Might go to Windows instead.

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      October 27, 2016 9:15 PM

      Other than the space grey color this is not a laptop I would want to buy. Goddamit Apple what's going on over there?

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        October 27, 2016 9:24 PM

        It's pretty bad, i have a 2012 retina and feel no compulsion to upgrade it. I would only get one if I could replace my work desktop but I need more ram.

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      October 27, 2016 10:55 PM

      Underwhelming. I'll hang onto my Surface Pro 3 for a few more years.

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      October 27, 2016 11:49 PM

      need function keys? http://gori.me/mac/mac-concepts/87228 haha

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