Firefall team hires Morgan Romine for eSports focus

Developer Red 5 Studios has hired Morgan "Rhoulette" Romine to ensure Firefall is tournament ready for gamers and spectators.

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Developer Red 5 Studios hopes to make the upcoming free-to-play shooter Firefall ready for the tournament scene. To do so, the company has hired Morgan "Rhoulette" Romine, founder of the Frag Dolls, Ubisoft's all-female professional gaming team. Romine visited the Shacknews offices to discuss her new role and what it means for players of Firefall. "We have a lot of guys on the team who are former pro gamers," Romine told me in an interview last week. Her official title at Red 5 Studios is eSports Maven. She's extremely animated during our conversation, but it isn't nerves going from a team dedicated to game promotion to a new management role focused on an important element to the most dedicated game players, she's excited. "Everybody on the team takes competitive gaming really seriously," she admits. Romine says that it's important for the team at Red 5 to build a game from the "ground up" with competitive gaming in mind. "My role on the team is to champion the eSports spirit," Romine tells me. What this means is that it's up to Romine to interact with the community to ensure their eSports needs are being met. Romine's task is to take all of the feedback focused on tournaments, clans, and spectator modes and help push for those features on the development side. "We want to make it so that Firefall is an amazing experience, not only for the competitive players but also for the people who would be interested in watching it."

Firefall will attempt to take the eSports world by storm, with Morgan Romine at the helm

Firefall has systems built within it for Red 5 to eventually branch out into local and big money tournaments, Romine says. "We want to have an expansive, global tournament presence with Firefall." "I will be helping to advise developers about what the gamers want from the competitive side, but we will also be integrating the game into exiting leagues, potentially, existing tournament structures, possibly. We're going to be building it into the eSports world that already exits and revolutionizing it." How Red 5 plans to revolutionize the growing eSports market is unclear, but it has time to develop its plan. The free-to-play shooter is scheduled to launch officially sometime in December. For more on Firefall, read the recent news about pets being added to the game, watch our video interview with Red 5 CEO Mark Kern, or visit the game's official site.
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    September 20, 2011 9:55 AM

    Xav de Matos posted a new article, Firefall team hires Morgan Romine for eSports focus.

    Developer Red 5 Studios has hired Morgan "Rhoulette" Romine to ensure Firefall is tournament ready for gamers and spectators.

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      September 20, 2011 10:05 AM

      Oh god this game is going to be epic for all types of gamers! So excited!

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        September 20, 2011 10:15 AM

        Christ are you guys still at it?

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          September 20, 2011 10:18 AM

          Still at what?

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              September 20, 2011 10:31 AM

              What's your point?

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                September 20, 2011 12:40 PM

                That you guys are a bunch of shills flooding the frontpage of Shacknews from the FF forums.

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                  September 20, 2011 3:45 PM

                  Wasnt there a tirad about this last article does it really need to countinue

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                  September 20, 2011 4:05 PM

                  Still haven't received my paycheck. Could you contact HR for me please?

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            September 20, 2011 10:32 AM

            The Firefall slumber party.

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              September 20, 2011 10:34 AM

              Kind of a little extended to be a slumber party? Were just here for the weekend, crashing on your couch. Oh, did you want that leftover Thai food? sorry, we ate'd it.

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                September 20, 2011 10:38 AM

                sorry. At least the FireFall folks are upping Shacknews traffic...right?

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                  September 20, 2011 10:40 AM

                  Why are you guys so obsessed with bringing up traffic?

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                    September 20, 2011 10:43 AM

                    To promote the game.

                    With all the big name games, and sequals coming out this holiday season, Firefall has a hard fight ahead of it. It's going up against huuuuuge names, and people do not want this game to go the way of Hellgate London. We enjoy the game, and want it to thrive instead of die in a gutter, with needle marks in it's arm.

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                    September 20, 2011 10:43 AM

                    if you think this is obsessed you should see the minecraft fan art we have on our forums lol

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                  September 20, 2011 10:42 AM

                  One of thier complaints is that we are artificially upping the traffic actually. It's kinda whatever though... If the system was better, it wouldn't be so easily taken advantage of... and I'm talking more about the systems used to rank video games in general, not just this forum.

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                    September 20, 2011 10:43 AM

                    This isn't as much "traffic" as you think it is. But if we can all be civil and talk about the game, then we're cool.

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                      September 20, 2011 10:44 AM

                      Well some of the reception that was heralded by our arrivale seemed to suggest otherwise, or inflate the premise anyways. Whatever the case, Firefall did climb to your top three spots on two of your lists because of some of the traffic.

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                        September 20, 2011 10:53 AM

                        Yep. That certainly happened. Firefall has a dedicated fan base. I don't fault them for that, that's a good thing.

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                          September 20, 2011 10:55 AM

                          It seems that The Shack has a similar fanbase...

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                    September 20, 2011 10:43 AM

                    I just hope all 10 of you don't crash the server with your dozens of posts.

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                      September 20, 2011 10:45 AM

                      Yeah... that would be embarrassing...

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                        September 20, 2011 11:08 AM

                        Hahah I remembered when we did that for the first article. Good times.

                        In all fairness, the Shack has a bunch of new readers like myself thanks to coverage like this. How is this a bad thing? We crashing your hipster party?

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                          September 20, 2011 11:11 AM

                          Not in those jeans you're not.

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                            September 20, 2011 11:16 AM

                            I was wearing these jeans when they were still in vinyl

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                          September 20, 2011 11:13 AM

                          It's a bad thing because you're all weird!

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                            September 20, 2011 3:47 PM

                            Lol whats wrong with being weird the weirder it is the more fun the party is (until the crazy dude shows everyone his basement then you need to start running!)

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                      September 21, 2011 1:24 PM

                      lol shill posters can suck it. You aren't fooling anyone on here. Maybe IGN, but not here on the shack.

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          September 20, 2011 10:19 AM

          What is Christ still doing?

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            September 20, 2011 10:20 AM

            I heard he was crossing the country or something like that.

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          September 20, 2011 10:29 AM

          Shackers gonna Shack.

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      September 20, 2011 10:07 AM

      IN COMING!!

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      September 20, 2011 10:10 AM

      I want to know more about pets. Can I have a pet dragon?

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        September 20, 2011 4:04 PM

        I want a cute little three tailed fox kawaiiii!!!

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      September 20, 2011 10:15 AM

      Awesome! It's really cool to hear about how Red 5 is planning on tackling getting their game into the eSports ring, as it seems like that's one of the huge factors that determines success in the industry these days. Just look at LoL vs HoN.

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      September 20, 2011 10:25 AM

      Was hoping for a little more info regarding army communication. Will there be an in-game forum setup? I'm sure there will be a chat channel, but how about messages or squad-forming tools? I remember from one interview mention of an in-game calendar system for armies, which sounds awesome- just looking for more details!

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      September 20, 2011 10:26 AM

      Glad they're planning to take competitive gaming seriously. With F2P element, the competition is going to be fierce. Will need to get my chops up, but I'm excited that they plan to be involved in this rapidly changing part of the gaming world.

      Question if you Red5ers are out there: I understand that skill can supersede items, but at the highest level of play, every point counts. Given this, how do you plan to balance the "need" to level characters up and get top gears with the pure competitive crowd who may not want to get their hands dirty with levels/items?

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        September 20, 2011 10:32 AM

        We might treat it like racing, with open and limited classes. Open is anything goes, all equipment. Limited is vanilla or pre defined limits on loadouts.

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          September 20, 2011 10:39 AM

          I very much like that idea. We've had a debate raging on the forum for awhile about whether people think equipment should be restricted or not, and it's always pretty divided. That's a good way to please both parties :)

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      September 20, 2011 10:27 AM

      Great information!

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      September 20, 2011 10:27 AM

      Firefall is much anticipate. Please tell me more about Firefall.

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        September 20, 2011 10:48 AM

        What a great game, I am so surprised by this new information! How excite it makes me! I get tshirt for saying this!

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          September 20, 2011 11:05 AM

          Actually it was a poster and that was only for the first Shacknews article on Firefall ;)

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        September 20, 2011 11:23 AM

        I now hate this game because all other games look so bland now!

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      September 20, 2011 10:28 AM

      Totally didn't except to see a Frag Doll.

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        September 20, 2011 10:32 AM

        Same. I saw a video from Pax about how they were saying goodbye to this young lady, but I sure as hell didn't think this was the reason why.

        Go figure.

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      September 20, 2011 10:29 AM

      Something something Firefall something Firefall Firefall.

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        September 20, 2011 10:33 AM

        someone needs to dub that Malkovich scene with Firefall. Firefall? Firefall! Firefall Firefall...

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        September 20, 2011 10:34 AM

        RMR Firefall Hijack

        Hello RMR!

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          September 20, 2011 10:47 AM

          hi2u Mr. Team! Are you ready to Firefall some Firefall once Firefall goes gold?

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            September 20, 2011 10:48 AM

            I hope I can hit CTRL-I while I'm playing Firefall and boot up Ikariam.

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      September 20, 2011 10:31 AM

      Incoming super thread :)

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        September 20, 2011 10:38 AM

        It's like hopping in a TF2 server full of bots.

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      September 20, 2011 10:33 AM

      wow now i am more then ever Excited to get my hands on this game not only does it have a great PVE experience but its gonna have E-sports aspects as well.

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      September 20, 2011 10:43 AM

      Xav, Dear god, make it stop.

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        September 20, 2011 10:44 AM

        No no, continue! It amuses me greatly to see these people in their own little neat bubble :)

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          September 20, 2011 11:01 AM

          It doesn't help the game though. I've lost all interest because of these fanboys.

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            September 20, 2011 11:07 AM

            Losing interest in a game because a bunch of people are excited for it. This makes little sense to me, but to each their own.

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              September 20, 2011 11:11 AM

              I suppose it's like the DOTA community.

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            September 20, 2011 4:05 PM

            Sucks to be you I guess.

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            September 20, 2011 10:29 PM

            I have to admit, what little interest I might have had is gone because of these shenanigans.

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              September 28, 2011 2:15 AM

              Ok then? You can't be bothered trying out a free game because people from a different community posted here saying they liked it? I hope you take that awesome xenophobic attitude and apply it to all walks of life.

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      September 20, 2011 10:44 AM

      is firefall bigger than skyrim and diablo 3 combined? magic 8 ball sez: check back later

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      September 20, 2011 10:47 AM

      I love how the games own rabid community singlehandedly turned every firefall news article into a joke/meme.
      This is gonna go on until beyond release I'm sure.

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        September 20, 2011 10:48 AM

        it is quite entertaining:)

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        September 20, 2011 10:50 AM

        we need a rabid counter-meme. maybe something for skyrim? something about kvatch or mud crabs?

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          September 20, 2011 10:52 AM

          Skytrim is firefall without guns

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            September 20, 2011 4:26 PM

            i wishe their was a skyim mmo with sords insted of guns just like firfall but no guns im so exited for this game realy!!! plz sent my shirt now thx

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        September 20, 2011 10:51 AM

        i'm super bummed about it. i was looking forward to Firefall. it looked kickass at PAX.

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          September 20, 2011 10:53 AM

          That's going to make you not play it? Whatever insanity you percieve here, you can bet it will be heavily dilouted once the game is released.

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            September 20, 2011 11:08 AM

            If it means I have to play the game with the likes of you, yeah I probably won't bother.

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              September 20, 2011 11:11 AM

              Cool! See you there dude. My name will be TheJayde. Look me up. We can quest together.

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            September 20, 2011 11:10 AM

            i didn't say that - i said i was super bummed in regards to the fact that articles now are flooded with subpar comments.

            we have enough trouble with that already!

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              September 20, 2011 11:12 AM

              I'm doing my best...

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                September 20, 2011 11:15 AM

                honestly, here are helpful tips: don't be baited by angry people and antagonize further. shackers (myself included) are notoriously snarky and hard headed. second, try and integrate - if you want to chill here, have fun - you don't need to keep defining yourself as something other.

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                  September 20, 2011 11:18 AM

                  But I'm hard headed and snarky too... I have to be baited, and therefore bait them with my being baited. Also, I am trying to integrate sorta... Im hoping this thing can be better than yesterday, or the event on the 9th.

                  http://www.firefallthegame.com/community/threads/the-new-shacknews-interview-9-20.10093/
                  This is the thread directing us here this time, and in there I've been trying to encourage people to be cool.

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                    September 20, 2011 12:58 PM

                    If you want to integrate --- STAY OUT THE FRONT PAGE ARTICLES.

                    Post directly in the chatty, where 95% of our community actually lives. You will get a much greater response from Shackers, unless your brethren continue to post shallow comments that bring nothing to the discussion.

                    Otherwise we'll get tired of you, collapse the thread, and whatever shit you're selling.

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                  September 20, 2011 11:21 AM

                  I wish there was some way to upvote this. The flaming back and forth is just silly. Shack people need to understand that Firefall people are genuinely just excited about the game, and trying to spread that excitement (perhaps a little too eagerly), and Firefall people need to think how they would feel if a bunch of strangers invaded a community they were a part of and spammed it with largely inconsequential posts. Take a chill pill people, we're all on the same side here.

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                    September 20, 2011 11:23 AM

                    I love everything about this post.

                    If you care about the game, you're in the right place. If you hate it, then you don't have to consume this content. There's really no need for such anger from either side.

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                      September 20, 2011 8:28 PM

                      But XAV, this is the shack. You've seen some of the flamebaiting here.

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                    September 20, 2011 11:24 AM

                    That already happens in the FF forums with people demanding beta requests...

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                      September 20, 2011 11:35 AM

                      It happened with the Gameogre poll vs CrimeCraft too, it was the same kind of thing. One of those things that's bound to happen on the internet when different communities come together. It's unfortunate but it happens. The most any of us can do is try to be understanding and not perpetuate the trolling/flaming/arguing.

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                    September 20, 2011 2:59 PM

                    The problem with this is that these posts now feel like nothing but cheap marketing. Yes, you may be excited (or you may be getting paid to do this) fuck if i know but now i dont feel like anyone is being impartial. I was also super pumped for this game, and your behavior (well mostly 'thejayde') is turning me off the whole deal.

                    Its like if you came to my house to sell me something and bitched me out because you were just excited about the product. Ok fine, im sure they're great knives and can cut all sorts of cans but get the fuck off my lawn. Continually antagonizing us on our own 'front lawn' doesnt help your case. And with the situation as it is (your 'boss' gummy sending you here to spam) you're making Firefall as a whole look bad.

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                      September 20, 2011 3:24 PM

                      Not the same. Particularly for two reasons... One... most of us are actually here just to talk about the game with people that havent been exposed to the game in the same way we have. New perspectives, and insights that maybe we had not yet covered. Two... we came to your house to share our awesome poundcake that we found this recipe for, and you are getting paranoid because you think we are trying to poison you.

                      Two thinks that are a little off about your post as well. Grummz didn't send anyone here today. Yes, he did it yesterday, and maybe there was a lesson learned, but today is a new day. Also yesterday, I was invited to stay on the lawn a little bit and see how it feels, which is what I've been trying to do. Some of your chatty threads have piqued my interest, and I have involved myself in them the best I can, but this one has kept my attention the most because it's bout a subject I enjoy, and... well... I do enjoy a rousing conversation.

                      I'm Sorry you and I cannot agree, and that you can't find something in my words that is civil or intelligent, but if that's the way it's gotta be, Im not going to loose any sleep over it.

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                      September 20, 2011 5:33 PM

                      Nothing you said disagrees with anything in my post that you were replying to. I agreed that many of the Firefallers are a little too eager to praise the game in places such as this, and that I totally understand the annoyance of the Shacknews regulars, I would probably feel the same way in your place. The only thing to remember is that, even if you do think that people are posting here only to please Grummz (which we could dispute the validity of all day and probably not agree), the base motivation is still that they are genuinely excited about the game. After all, why suck up to the CEO of a company whose product you have no interest in?

                      So I just ask Firefallers to be understanding to how annoying it is to the Shacknews regulars to have their turf invaded, and the Shacknews people to not let themselves be turned off of a potentially awesome game just because of that annoyance.

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                    September 20, 2011 5:03 PM

                    You can upvote. It's called ThomW's awesome LOL script and server. Instead of simplying upvoting, you specify why you call attention to it. Funny? Informative? Hot?

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          September 20, 2011 10:55 AM

          honestly I hadn't even heard of it until this started. And with all the drama I haven't so much as looked at a screenshot. This could have been handled so differently but now it just seems so infomercialish that I don't really care to learn more.

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            September 20, 2011 11:09 AM

            Although manufacturing "social proof" to persuade your audience to purchase a product is not a new concept, since shacknews is such a close knit community, newcomers are instantly recognized on the website and therefore the illusion of "massive" hype is instantly shattered. If known shackers participated in the hype, I'm sure the effect would be way more effective.

            I think the Firefall folks should focus on less defined communities. Like say.... 4chan or NeoGAF.

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              September 28, 2011 2:02 AM

              Eh, the CEO of Red 5 likes this site. That's how the cookie crumbles I guess.

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          September 20, 2011 5:05 PM

          How could you miss it? It was 2/3rds of the show floor.

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        September 28, 2011 2:01 AM

        I don't think it was singlehandedly. We couldn't have done it without the great help from those avid readers of Shacknews.

        Anyway the hate is pointless, this isn't like Battlefield 3 vs. Modern Warfare 3 here where there's actually a tenuous reason for rivalry. This is a community of people focused around a gaming news site and a community of people focused around a game. I make a venn diagram of that and it makes a happy face. (Kinda)

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      September 20, 2011 10:51 AM

      this is awesome

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      September 20, 2011 10:52 AM

      More proof that Red5 wants a balanced, polished game. I can dig it.

      I'm most excited to hear confirmation that there will be in-game tools to set up impromptu tournaments between friends! I'd love to hear more info on that.

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      September 20, 2011 10:53 AM

      I thought I would wake up and discover this was all just a dream. But no, it's still going. And there's no end in sight. I feel like I'm watching an infomercial.

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        September 20, 2011 10:55 AM

        You know, every time we post a feature about a game we hear the same thing. It's just something that happens... I remember posting a feature about Halo's story before Reach and some Shackers freaked out.

        It comes with the territory. If someone isn't interested in the game, any posts about it seem unnecessary. It's the way it goes for any title.

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          September 20, 2011 10:57 AM

          You can't pretend what's going on with these news posts is a natural and normal occurrence. It's filled with automaton children from the twilight dimension

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          September 20, 2011 11:02 AM

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            September 20, 2011 11:07 AM

            As a writer, it's nice when people read the actual content we produce.

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              September 20, 2011 11:19 AM

              The content. Yes. That's exactly what they came here for. :D

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                September 20, 2011 11:22 AM

                Not all of the Firefall crowd game here with intentions of staying or reading other information on other games, or even look into your forum. I was one of them, but... I ended up posting a bunch of things last night, and may end up staying longer. I've read a bunch of other threads and the like as well. I can attest to the expansion of prople reading other content... even if I'm just one.

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                  September 20, 2011 11:30 AM

                  I welcome you all with open arms, so long as you guys can drop the "I love that Firefall has pets! Will they have dragons?!" stuff and make some regular posts too. Join the community, you'll find it to be full of diverse interests - gaming and otherwise.

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                    September 20, 2011 11:33 AM

                    I already did. Made a bunch of posts last night and this morning in other threads. ( I hate Sean Penn Soooo much) I was actually surprised by how diverse your guys' interest was... most of the threads weren't even about video games.

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                September 20, 2011 11:24 AM

                I don't really have any sympathy for some people in our community that never read the content Shacknews produces, but complain when produce it.

                :P Sorry! I still love you all, though.

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      September 20, 2011 10:59 AM

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      September 20, 2011 11:02 AM

      Did red 5 studios hire a team of nigerian princes to do their marketing or what?

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        September 20, 2011 4:14 PM

        Please just PM me your bank account information already. I am getting tired of this charade.

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          September 28, 2011 2:59 AM

          Dude what the hell? One of them would've fallen for it you idiot! Persistence is the key.

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      September 20, 2011 11:02 AM

      Mere anarchy is loosed upon Shacknews

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        September 28, 2011 3:01 AM

        Cry havoc and let slip the whining of people who don't like seeing a game get "manufactured" hype despite every fanboy posting being a real person. :P

        Not quite as catchy as the original phrase but it could work.

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      September 20, 2011 11:02 AM

      Looking at 60 of these posts, I would like to point out that currently, there are more postings here from the Shack, than there are from the Firefall Forums. At this point, you guys are actually trolling yourselves, which I kinda think is rather funny.

      The forum from Firefall actually understood your issue with the previous events that have taken place, has not bombarded this thread, and it doesnt matter. Firefall may (or may not) have made a mistake, and instead of approaching this new chance for US to make it right, you guys bombard your own postings. I find this actually rather funny.

      Enjoy.

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        September 20, 2011 11:03 AM

        i don't think you understand how the shack operates.

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          September 20, 2011 11:06 AM

          Eh, standard community forum. I get the idea, and understand WHY it's happening, but Im trying to point out to those that use thier higher brain function more often, what exactly is happening. I know when I'm acting in a way I don't normally want to act because of anger, or rage, I like it when people tell me what is up.

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            September 20, 2011 11:12 AM

            i meant your comment about trolling...the shack gets page views either way so making a bunch of joke posts doesn't hurt the community or Gamefly's revenue one bit. It makes for good comedy though.

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              September 20, 2011 4:24 PM

              Yeah it's not hurting their revenue or anything, I think what he's saying is that the complaint is "the Firefall articles are being flooded with comments", then today a new article comes out, and now the people doing the complaining are the ones flooding it with comments.

              I mean it is pretty cool as a self-perpetuating meme sort of thing, but I wouldn't expect anyone to take my complaints seriously if I were complaining about my own behavior. So yeah, a bunch of joke posts doesn't hurt anything, but the people who are crying "please make it stop!" over and over again are half the problem.

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        September 20, 2011 11:04 AM

        How foolish we all are to have left comments on a comments board! I've been trolled! Someone call my mother!

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          September 20, 2011 11:06 AM

          Self trolling is... smart?

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            September 20, 2011 11:10 AM

            Glad you're planning to take competitive trolling seriously. With F2Post element, the trolling is going to be fierce. Will need to get my posts up, but I'm excited that they plan to be involved in this rapidly changing part of the posting world.

            Question if you posters are out there: I understand that trolls can supersede posts, but at the highest level of troll, every postcounts. Given this, how do you plan to balance the "need" to get your post count up and get top trolls with the pure competitive crowd who may not want to get their hands dirty with trolls?

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        September 20, 2011 11:05 AM

        FORUM POSTERS OF ALL TYPES WILL ENJOY THIS FORUM POST.

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        September 20, 2011 11:10 AM

        Take the number of people you assume are trolling themselves. Divide that number by 0. Now you have the total number of people that are going to agree with what you just posted.

        You've just been trolled son.

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        September 20, 2011 11:10 AM

        Interesting that there are more posts from the Shack on it's own website than from a different website! WOW!

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        September 20, 2011 11:29 AM

        WTF, you are 18% of the posts in this thread.

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        September 20, 2011 11:32 AM

        If one can't laugh at oneself then who can oneself laugh at? Ha ha haha ha!

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          September 20, 2011 11:35 AM

          Yeah, but the shack isn't laughing at itself.. erm.. mostly. Those who are most butthurt by these events, are the ones who are making the most inane postings. I don't mind some playfull ribbing, but this is being taken way too seriously around here. You seem cool? Wanna go out?

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            September 20, 2011 12:31 PM

            Sure thing, though I don't put out on the first date!

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              September 21, 2011 9:59 PM

              You will this time... I guarantee it.

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        September 20, 2011 11:34 AM

        I'm gonna reply to this just to screw with your "statistics" some more. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ SUP SON?

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        September 20, 2011 11:37 AM

        welcome to shacknews, we don't talk about games here.

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          September 20, 2011 11:39 AM

          Games? You must be new round here.

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            September 20, 2011 11:42 AM

            I've been so busy buying expensive jeans and getting circumcised I haven't been able to keep up with the latest trends. Do we still like minecraft?

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              September 20, 2011 11:46 AM

              I hope you tipped 25% on that circumcision.

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        September 20, 2011 12:59 PM

        Damage is already done. Firefall is now a meme here instead of a game.

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          September 20, 2011 1:04 PM

          Id bet these event is going to draw more people to play from shacknews than it lost, and have put out the word a bit more than it was before. I might lose the bet, but I think it's a strong bet.

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            September 20, 2011 1:26 PM

            I never heard about it before and have 0% interest in it now. This is worse then regular Shackhype for a game.

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            September 20, 2011 5:11 PM

            Ha, you're showing your ignorance. I dont think you understand how pissed people are. This is the kind of thing that will move your game from "try" to "avoid like the plague and torpedo at every possible opportunity." Its become a joke, a bad joke that pisses everyone off. You need to come to the realization that you fucked up, badly, and should probably apologize for your actions, instead of making idiotic and hard headed posts saying that you "may not" have made a mistake. Honestly, who the fuck do you think you are? You've fueled the fire, now enjoy the burn :D

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              September 20, 2011 8:32 PM

              I hereby declare that FireFail shall be the new meme.

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        September 21, 2011 1:53 AM

        I never asked for this

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      September 20, 2011 11:06 AM

      Great to see that they're really focusing on the e-sports side of the game too. Then maybe I'll finally have some fun competitive games to watch since I'm not that much into Starcraft 2 or something like that.

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      September 20, 2011 11:14 AM

      Firefall tournaments - LOL

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      September 20, 2011 11:16 AM

      this game looks like absolute shit, right guys?

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      September 20, 2011 11:26 AM

      Shacknews Firefallnews

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      September 20, 2011 11:28 AM

      Who is this guy?

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      September 20, 2011 11:32 AM

      Shack, please stop posting stories about this game, the shilling is beyond obnoxious.

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        September 20, 2011 11:36 AM

        Anytime we post more than one story a week about any game we get this reaction.

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          September 20, 2011 11:37 AM

          CITATION NEEDED

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          September 20, 2011 11:38 AM

          Link those posts!

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          September 20, 2011 11:42 AM

          Dude. No we don't. They got to you, huh.

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            September 20, 2011 11:42 AM

            ...With moneys

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            September 20, 2011 11:46 AM

            He just wants a free t-shirt.

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              September 20, 2011 11:48 AM

              They are plying him with free pets and wine coolers.

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                September 20, 2011 12:01 PM

                I'm pretty sure it's all about the posters think of the home decorating possibilities.

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          September 20, 2011 11:45 AM

          See Halo coverage.
          See Call of Duty XP coverage.
          See Modern Warfare 3 coverage.

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            September 20, 2011 12:01 PM

            Halo, CoD, and Firefall -- three proven franchises with huge audiences.

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              September 20, 2011 12:04 PM

              What does that have to do with anything? What a silly thing to say.

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                September 20, 2011 12:14 PM

                I'm making a light 'one of these things does not belong' joke. Just me being silly.

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            September 20, 2011 12:39 PM

            do we have schills coming here to flood our comments in that coverage?

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            September 20, 2011 3:06 PM

            See how you're handling Monday Night Combat. There are no monday night combat roboposters. We have an 'exclusive' with them, its awesome, and you write awesome stuff im pumped.

            This is just weird man. Again, i was SUPER pumped for firefall till thejayde showed up. Now im just gonna wanna scroll on by. Its not you, its grammyz/gummyz/ whatever calling for roboposts from his site to ours.

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          September 20, 2011 12:48 PM

          I believe this is a bit different and you know it.

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          September 20, 2011 12:48 PM

          HOW DARE YOU MAKE ME USE MY MOUSEWHEEL TO SCROLL

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          September 20, 2011 3:03 PM

          Xav, i love your articles, and having an exclusive in was actually REALLY INTERESTING (like how valve gave us an exclusive steam for mac sneak preview image that was JUST THE SHACKS) but the forum trolling has completely undone any of your good work. This crap from them is no better than any other robot ad posting.

          I will still read your articles, but this shit is just annoying.

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            September 20, 2011 5:05 PM

            Thanks. I can't really change whether or not people are cocks.

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        September 20, 2011 11:50 AM

        Holy fuck there is so much derp in this thread. Xav, how do you not snap and just murder everyone?

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          September 20, 2011 11:55 AM

          Who's saying he hasn't?
          I thought it was suspicious when Garnett Lee went to "Japan". Next we're going to see Jeff mattas take a sudden trip to "China".

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          September 20, 2011 11:56 AM

          Khan I don't always herp. But when I herp, I derp.

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        September 20, 2011 12:07 PM

        No, seeing more information about the game is nice. And Shack is a gaming news site, right? So that means they post stuff. About games.

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        September 20, 2011 12:43 PM

        Shack, please keep on posting stories and videos about FireFall - the AAA+ 5 stars game. Because the game simply makes us happy everyday, and the pound is above and beyond awesome!!!

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        September 20, 2011 4:46 PM

        how about you use your jet-poop and propel yourself out of here.

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        September 20, 2011 10:10 PM

        whining about story posts is getting just as obnoxious fyi as it leads to giant shit storm threads like this one.

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      September 20, 2011 11:36 AM

      ATTENTION EVERYONE Testicles. That is all.

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        September 20, 2011 11:39 AM

        Important information, that I will file away immediately for the sake of those who may be looking up the subject matter.

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        September 20, 2011 11:41 AM

        I laughed so hard the first time I saw that Family Guy episode.

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        September 20, 2011 8:38 PM

        Testicles should be kept inside the boxers. Not to call attention to everyone; unless one wants to show off the testicles in public. The police is coming !

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      September 20, 2011 11:38 AM

      the only thing I've seen or heard about this game was one of the really early videos and at that time I thought it looked kinda stupid but I guess I'll be having a closer look at it before release

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        September 20, 2011 11:40 AM

        I saw a gameplay vid last year and it pushed all my tribes buttons, I've been holding my breath for the beta since.

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          September 20, 2011 11:43 AM

          Yeah, with Scott Youngblood (lead designer from Tribes 1 and 2) as the lead designer, I'm definitely hoping that Firefall fills the void that the early Tribes games have left in my life.

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          September 20, 2011 11:44 AM

          what I saw was very brief and I don't really remember much of it aside from the fact that I was not impressed at the time but I guess it's probably evolved since then

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      September 20, 2011 11:50 AM

      I don't want to hate on this, but you guys are making it tough! The interview basically promotes the fact that 'we hired someone' with no details about tournament structures or seasons. It's like saying 'we hired Day9 to make sure our game has competitive spirit'. OK? I guess? Weird.

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        September 20, 2011 11:52 AM

        I actually kind of agree with this. I feel as though this could have been added to yesterday's topic.

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        September 20, 2011 11:55 AM

        Xav just wants his free Firefall poster.

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      September 20, 2011 11:54 AM

      Awesome to see that they care enough about making their game competitive that they hire a person who's only job is making it an eSport. This game is looking really amazing, just curious though as too what games she played "professionally" for Frag dolls. Also curious as to what leagues they plan on partnering up with.

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      September 20, 2011 11:57 AM

      FIREFALL FIREFALL FIREFALL FIREFALL FIREFALL FRAGDOLLS FIREFALL

      this shit is redonk

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        September 20, 2011 12:01 PM

        yeah... most of the comments in this thread that you are trying to be satirical about, are posts from your own Shackers. Like... yours.

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          September 20, 2011 12:04 PM

          come on you have to admit a lot of them are pretty funny

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            September 20, 2011 12:06 PM

            Okay... there are some of them that are pretty hilarious...

            Still a lot that are hardcore insults, and inane. The one Jaytima posted was pretty lame for example.

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              September 20, 2011 12:12 PM

              expecting this obvious shit to work on the shack is lame, next time try neogaf or blues.

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                September 20, 2011 12:25 PM

                Why is expecting an intelligent discussion about a game here lame? I though Shack was supposed to be one of the better websites out there for gaming related stuff...?
                Perhaps I was wrong about my assumption, and seeing some of the "discussion" here and elsewhere on this site does seem to indicate something is lacking...

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                  September 20, 2011 12:35 PM

                  It is a website of cock.

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                  September 20, 2011 12:38 PM

                  What about shilling in threads about a game is intelligent?

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                    September 20, 2011 1:15 PM

                    Well, luckily it isn't shilling if we're supporting the game of our own volition :)

                    A lot of people here just really want to see something like Firefall succeed, so we're doing what we can to that end. That's what I'm doing, anyway.

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                      September 20, 2011 3:45 PM

                      if that's what you want, back off because shit's backfiring

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                  September 20, 2011 12:39 PM

                  We just don't buy your bullshit that you are here for anything rather than rabid fanboy-ism for Firefall. If a ton of COD or BF3 guys came over and started thread-shitting about how much they love their games we would be equally annoyed. Its the equivalent of mormons at your door, yeah yea you are nice people that is cool. I still don't want anything. Bye.

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                    September 20, 2011 1:09 PM

                    " You have the right to remain silent !"

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                    September 20, 2011 1:22 PM

                    Just want to say this is a sharp move by Red 5 and I fully support/endorse the embracing of a "build into the game" competitive design...I ESPECIALLY encourage a shoutcasting/spectator type of viewing system (similar to Starcraft 2, but much more refined/easy to use). Watching those better/more skilled than I am (of which there are many) tends to encourage me to strive to be better...

                    And to folks like Hemotoxin, be thankful this site has such traffic. The new design (ahem) installed a few months ago for Shacknews effectively ended my checking it daily for news...the Firefall coverage is the only reason I have returned. Without traffic the site will die.

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                      September 20, 2011 1:37 PM

                      I think you overestimate how much the shack cares about the news counterpart of the community. We like traffic, we hate stupid posts. The two are not equal.

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                    September 20, 2011 1:38 PM

                    That's exactly what I was thinking it's like the Bible Bangers keep yelling at us to repent our sins and find our one true Saviour Jesus FIREFALL

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                  September 20, 2011 12:53 PM

                  look, Shacknews is a community like many other where members have different opinions on things. There are people who are very vocal when it comes to things they don't enjoy or agree with and some of those people probably saw the "raid" by Firefall community members as nothing more than an attempt at shilling the game. These people are probably not interested in debating the merits of the game itself. If you're actually interested in discussing Firefall with members of the Shacknews community then ignore the hostile replies and look for the people who want to discuss it.

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                    September 20, 2011 1:02 PM

                    I've been doing that, and even trying to show those who would dismiss Firefall based on this gesture, that thier opinion is maybe a bit shallow. Thanks for trying to be a balancing factor to the internet hate machine =)

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      September 20, 2011 12:11 PM

      I got my ass handed to me at PAX one year playng Rainbow Six Vegas (1 or 2, I can't remember). The FragDolls were very professional and fun to play with/against.
      This seems like a hire that makes sense to me, and I welcome it even though I don't personally like PvP at all.

      Also, money tournaments for Firefall? I'm really curious to see how well that plays out. I guess we'll see over the next couple/few years.

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      September 20, 2011 12:13 PM

      I think this is hilarious but I'm still going to play this game. You have a jetpack, and you can fly. With energy wings. Awesome.

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        September 20, 2011 12:14 PM

        Wrong duffman, don't care. ;)

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          September 20, 2011 12:18 PM

          ...so wtf is going on in this disingenuous thread shitting adventure?

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            September 20, 2011 12:21 PM

            It's just an on-going joke where I confused duffman03 with Duffman8369

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              September 20, 2011 12:53 PM

              zebo is completely incapable of telling one duffman from another. He's racist like that.

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      September 20, 2011 12:20 PM

      If they were serious about Esports they wouldn't have hired someone who is a complete nobody in the Esports scene.
      They would have hired someone like 2GD if they were serious.

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        September 20, 2011 5:59 PM

        Morgan was a community manager on Shadowbane before creating and founding the FragDolls for Ubisoft. They play very competitively and Morgan has a tremendous amount of experience in tournaments, organizing matches, and has a lot of contacts in the e-Sports community. Plus, she is shrewd entrepreneur and businesswomen - Its not easy to create a gaming group and keep it going for years to draw in nearly 1.4 million followers. All of these things we need as we create an e-Sports program specifically dedicated to Firefall. A mere pro-gamer would not have sufficed, we need all the other skills as well.

        Morgan actually worked with us as a contractor for community for many years. She helped us find Phobos, for example, as our community manager. I've been trying to get her to join Red 5 for years, but she was busy with the FragDolls and her PhD in Anthropology (specializing in online game communities and development teams).

        I hope you guys don't have preconceived notions just because she happens to be a wonderful, warm and charming woman. I would ask yourself if you are pre-judging, and if so, why.

        We have big plans for eSports, and Morgan will fill you in on them as we go along.

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      September 20, 2011 12:20 PM

      Interesting to have many options as we can but hope we will have the same suport for BIG scales wars I mean In big battle are we going to have a chance to have a options to merge differents army in the battle to have Big scales copetitive battles as well ? an exemple in MAG (( big scales games )) we were not able to make clan alliance to stay unic and our own clan an play toghuether whith anothers allies clan just for a few battles in domination for an exemple !

      So any chance to see firefall suporting Massive Copetitive battle ? In my point of view its much more interesting to watch but also there is a lots of strategies involved !

      Allow us to have multiple (( army clans alliance to compete in Big scales battles !

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      September 20, 2011 12:29 PM

      I do not know this girl. Is she well known?

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      September 20, 2011 12:43 PM

      You can take gaming seriously, but not in the way that you are going to murder your mom if she takes away your gaming system.

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      September 20, 2011 12:44 PM

      Holy shit it's a young Meredith from The Office

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        September 20, 2011 1:26 PM

        It's as much of a time sink for us as it is for them. I'm just collapsing the thread now and skimming past it, aside from anyone that directly responds to this, I'd recommend the same to any other Shacker of sane mind. If the firefall folks want to integrate, they should stay off the front page and join the chatty with some quality talking points / images / video.

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          September 21, 2011 3:32 AM

          Quick question, do cocks have to be involved?

          I've been reading a few other threads around here and they seem pretty popular.

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      September 20, 2011 12:46 PM

      Shack Wars: Episode 2 - Attack of the Valcan_s Clones

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      September 20, 2011 12:47 PM

      I'M NOT A FF TARD!!! I think is a good way to stand out in the sea of craptastic posts on here...

      Anyway, stuff like this is great, but Blizzard had very similar plans and they didn't break a whole lot of ground besides their own tournaments and online viewership. It's quite sad that after all this time the biggest take on real life esports, as in you actually meet the people you play against, is Quakecon.

      Just making a game and marketing it as a 'professional tournament oriented game' will not make it so. I'm not going to spill the secret sauce, but stuff like this has already been done and hasn't done so well because it's just marketing fluff and ideals that doesn't turn out so well IRL.

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        September 20, 2011 12:50 PM

        The League of Legends Final matches were done with the players side by side, sort of facing each other to a slight degree. They shook hands after the deciding matches and were interviewed by Riot Staff. Marketing LoL as a tournament oriented game is basically how they did it too

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          September 20, 2011 12:54 PM

          And I never heard about this. I played LoL, but only heard about the tournament because I was wondering why I got a free version of Kayle. This is my whole point.

          It's great and everything to have little niche things, but this wont change anything. You can't have a localized tournament in a back room of a office building and expect the world to change because of it.

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        September 20, 2011 5:48 PM

        Yes, it takes a lot of work to make it happen. A few things we have or are building into the game for e-Sports:

        1) Spectator Mode - Made with the input of Shoutcasters (already in)
        2) Replay Mode - Already in, but final version to be released next year
        3) eSports tuned maps for competitive play and modes
        4) Automated ladder and tournament systems so clans can run their own tournaments (next year)
        5) Clan support build in (naming, tracking, stats, etc., etc.)
        6) Reaching out to clans and building our relationships with the e-Sports community (ongoing)

        We are also looking for ways to streamline and make streaming matches easier. We are also allocating millions of dollars to a a worldwide series of competition for Firefall, and are talking to potential partners now.

        While we are a server based game, we are looking for ways that regional tournaments can be supported via local servers that then upload their data to the main servers.

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      September 20, 2011 12:55 PM

      So they're shilling. SO FUCKING WHAT.

      You internet crybabies are the fucking worst. Shut up and let them shill their game in their one thread per day.

      Get a hobby and quit whining about something that's going on ON THE INTERNET.

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        September 20, 2011 12:58 PM

        what if this shilling was reposted from reddit??? imagine the shitstorm THEN !!!!111

        MY INTERNETS!!!!!!!!!!!!

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          September 20, 2011 1:04 PM

          actually, that would be the norm, and no one would care.

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          September 20, 2011 1:48 PM

          OH MY GOD REDDIT REPOSTING SHILLERS FUCKING KILL THEM!!!!!!!!1111oneone

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        September 20, 2011 12:59 PM

        Ironically... this is a case of you whining about people whining.

        You know if you don't give a shit you don't need to tell other people not to too. Just continue doing what you do best... not giving a shit.

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        September 20, 2011 1:28 PM

        hey virus...Get a hobby and quit whining about something that's going on ON THE INTERNET

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        September 20, 2011 1:40 PM

        Aren't you, in this very post, whining about something that's going on ON THE INTERNET?

        Get a hobby, man.

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          September 20, 2011 1:49 PM

          Oh, the leader of the whiners telling me to stop.

          That's rich.

          ;-)

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            September 20, 2011 1:51 PM

            Citation needed

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              September 20, 2011 2:24 PM

              Overload hasn't complained too much. Certianly has been civil about it anyways.

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        September 20, 2011 4:47 PM

        What is funny is that it's all in Firefall news post comments. I don't get the sandy vadge going to the max with some of those guys.

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      September 20, 2011 1:19 PM

      PUMPOMETER = 5/5 MACES. HOLY I AM WEEPING WITH JOY FOR THIS GAME.

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        September 20, 2011 1:21 PM

        i can't tell if this is ironic lol

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          September 20, 2011 1:27 PM

          Yeah... Same here.

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          September 20, 2011 1:28 PM

          Considering the 5/5 maces it is completely serious business. Mace is not one to joke about.

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            September 20, 2011 1:36 PM

            exactly, you don't use mace's name in vain

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        September 20, 2011 1:27 PM

        4/5 here. They got a -1 for their playerbase. Been watching this game for awhile, I hope having a Tribes Dev on the team means it will be a good game, but that is unlikely to have a great impact. The only thing I can say I have hated about this game so far is the armor styles, they are so damned stupid it makes my brain hurt.

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          September 20, 2011 2:36 PM

          *laughs* I rather like the armor styles. Seems more interesting to have large and fairly unwieldy frames then it does to have sleek and typical armor styles. Most games I see either have the super sleek look or the giant mecha of clunky look. Kinda interesting to see someone take the middle ground and incorporating a sleek but clunky look for there mecha suits. :p

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            September 20, 2011 3:33 PM

            But they have their arms COMPLETELY OPEN. It looks stupid, why would you leave the appendages open to attack if you were so advanced to have EXO SUITS.

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              September 20, 2011 3:49 PM

              There are a couple good reasons for that.

              First and foremost, reaction time. I used to work in a freezer, and even my jacket and gloves made working with small instruments kind of difficult, and that was cloth, not metal. When aiming a gun quickly, you don't actually want to have too many restrictions on your upper torso.

              Second, metal bends, and breaks, and while it does add for decent armor, an arm shot isn't necessarily fatal, and though it can be, the wound may need to be attended to immediately, and with armor on, that is impossible. Also, if your arm is covered in metal, and something heavy were to crush it, such as a falling vehicle, or more likely a bug biting your arm it could bend the metal into a wound making the repair on the damage much more complicated. The torn metal could also cut your arm completely off instead of just having a broken bone.

              Sidenote: Exosquad had exposed arms too. = )

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                September 20, 2011 3:51 PM

                Okay, maybe not good... but some sort of explaination.

                BTW, this is why I'm here. This is the kind of discussion I was hoping for primarily.

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              September 20, 2011 5:24 PM

              *shrugs* I'm not gunna pretend it's practical. This is a game after all so practicality doesn't -have- to apply. I think it's cause it looks appealing in it's own way. Sure, it's not a common thing to see and thus will generate reactions like your own (and very understandably). I think it works pretty well for the style though given it's considerable nod to the Anime style of design.

              Basically it's made to look appealing for both Eastern and Western preferences so it's caught somewhere in the middle of the two. It has a fairly functional look like seen in most Western products while still giving a pretty decent nod to human appeal like seen in a lot of Eastern products.

              Personally I think the showing of more human characteristics give a better sense of the human aspect to these characters instead of making most the focus on the machine exosuits. Helps identify with the characters more than say... Gears of War with the giant battle suits and only the head exposed. Least this way I can see more of the human underneath all that armored goodness.

              But of course that's purely my opinion. I can see why it might not appeal to others.

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                September 20, 2011 7:03 PM

                Hmmm, seeing my friend play some Gears of War 3 currently and they have exposed arms too now so I guess that's not the greatest example... I guess Halo would be better then with every part of the body being covered in armor.

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          September 20, 2011 3:54 PM

          Considering What Dave G did to Planetside after fucking Tribes 2, I hold out very little hope.

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      September 20, 2011 2:06 PM

      It's like going to a museum and bitching that they have a lot of art from some artist you dislike. Well. Don't look at it.

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      September 20, 2011 2:31 PM

      Woah firefall just looks better and better evry day. Damn im glad there will finally be a new game that actually praises the competitive scene. Thank you Red 5.

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        September 20, 2011 2:46 PM

        no it doesn't

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          September 20, 2011 2:48 PM

          But it has pet dragons that do things and make stuff.

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            September 20, 2011 2:49 PM

            It does? HOLY HELL!

            I hated this game before, and now I'm like... in love. Thank you shirif of naught a ham.

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              September 20, 2011 2:59 PM

              always to be of service.

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            September 20, 2011 2:53 PM

            I never asked for this.

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            September 20, 2011 3:03 PM

            that sounds like the worst part about the game

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      September 20, 2011 2:52 PM

      Yeah but are there pets?? Pets mean everything to me

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      September 20, 2011 3:46 PM

      what's with all the WTF tags on this thread??

      so much purple http://chattypics.com/files/wtfPNG_wlc3yk61c0.png

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        September 20, 2011 4:16 PM

        Did he use one of those new trojan vibrators?

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          September 20, 2011 5:05 PM

          Sir the history channel does not endorse those types of things.

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      September 20, 2011 4:12 PM

      This is dumb, this is what makes pro-gaming look dumb.
      No your game won't take off as an "e-sport" just like all the other stupid wannabe games that came before it didn't. We have StarCraft, that's enough. Kthnxbye

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      September 20, 2011 4:29 PM

      I was semi-interested in this game but after this nonsense I think I'll keep as far away as possible. Way to piss off your entire potential fanbase guys!

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      September 20, 2011 4:32 PM

      woho...nice surprice

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      September 20, 2011 5:02 PM

      The shilling here is getting obnoxious and is making me lean more towards NOT BUYING THE GAME. Most of these users signed up a few weeks ago and have nothing but OMG FIREFALL ROCKS posts on their account ever since. I'm not saying that this is against the rules, it's just extremely annoying.

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        September 20, 2011 5:11 PM

        Hmmm, the game is free.

        Feel free to take a stand though. But you might want to at least find out about the game before you decide. You just might miss out on something.

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          September 20, 2011 5:48 PM

          That's a point to look at, he doesn't even want to find out now, like a lot of others.

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            September 20, 2011 8:19 PM

            you, as an individual, are always in control on what to or what not to do with your own affairs. But a lot of others may not , will not follow your fancy.

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          September 20, 2011 5:56 PM

          Miss out on something? With the amount of awesome games coming out soon, and only so many hours in a day, I hardly doubt missing out on a single game, even one that is free, is that much of a loss.

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            September 20, 2011 6:50 PM

            *shrugs* That's okay mate. Still , others might think you're missing out if it's a good game. You yourself might not since yeh never experienced it and might have no sense of missing something you've never experienced, but others might. Oh, don't take my responding as something trying to convince yeh to play. If yeh want to play, yeh want to play. Just letting you know the view others might have on it (even though you probably won't care and that's okay too).

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            September 20, 2011 7:00 PM

            He'll come crawlin back

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              September 20, 2011 10:05 PM

              Yeah, to that gaming news site that's not just about Firefall that he's been frequenting for a decade. Who were you again?

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            September 20, 2011 9:02 PM

            well said. Heck with the backlog most of us have, missing such a game will be no skin of our back.

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          September 20, 2011 8:59 PM

          Hmmm... Your dumb fucking marketing idea is backfiring, maybe you and Xav should take it down several notches?

          Come back with some beta keys if you want people to post opinions. "I love pets I love red 5 thanks for existing" is not content, it's not relevant discussion of the game, it's just fucking spam.

          Also, Xav, making fun of you for shilling this game is a bannable offense now? That's how much you love this generic pre alpha anime shooter, or whatever the fuck it is? Come on! Have some balls... If you're going to shill some dumb shit, people are going to make fun of you. This is the shack. Don't start pissing off long time users for whatever testicle fondling they're giving you under the table to shill this thing.

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            September 20, 2011 9:40 PM

            ... PffftttttBWAHAHAHAH!!!!! Oh man... All the anger in this... it's just so... Ugh, I'm sorry! I know I shouldn't laugh but I just can't help it! Feel free to get pissed at me even more for this, and rightfully so, but your venomous defense of your "turf" is just... Freaking funny to me in the saddest of ways.

            Nobodies trying to invade your Shack. They're just reporting on games like usual. Only difference is that a concentrated dose of the fans came to join and state their enthusiasm for the game. I really don't get why you are acting like these 3 little articles are completely undoing the fabric of this site and converting it into something it's not. It's -just- 3 articles. They'll eventually disappear beneath the folds of other articles as they come along... just like usual. To get so defensive over only a few days of rabid posting is just... Funny and sad.

            People feel free to hate. I know I deserve it for my insensitivity in this matter. I just can't seem to get myself to feel bad for the situation when it's so insignificant to me. It's like you guys are -trying- to turn this straw house into a castle of a problem when it's not. It's -really- not. Give it a week or two and things will go back to normal.

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              September 20, 2011 9:51 PM

              Can we not at least nuke antagonizing threads? To deal with it is one thing, but to put up with people being completely shitty is different.

              While he's not entirely wrong, we really don't need to put up with this kind of shit on top of it.

              HAY GUYS, I KNOW I'M AN ASSHOLE, BUT LOL.

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                September 20, 2011 10:08 PM

                I thought intentionally trolling, like TheJirune is doing right now, was a banable offense.

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                  September 20, 2011 10:12 PM

                  Nah mate, not trolling. Just felt like his honest reaction deserved my honest reaction.

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                    September 20, 2011 10:40 PM

                    Bullshit. Your response to Wheatloaf was antagonistic and incredibly immature. I don't give a damn about Firefall, or your little parade, or whatever you want to call it, but acting like an obnoxious asshole isn't helping anyone, the developers the least of all.

                    How many people here do you think are turned off of the game simply because they think your bullshit represents Firefall's community? Do you really think picking fights and throwing out insults is helping your cause here?

                    If you want to keep on being an asshole, go right ahead. I'm sure making a couple thousand people throw Firefall under the bus just because you're being a dick helps the developers an incredible amount. Hell, I'm sure the people you're insulting wouldn't mind if you trolled your way into a ban either.

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                      September 20, 2011 11:36 PM

                      I think I'm turning off about the same number he's turning off from Shacknews with his little comment insulting Grummz and Xav. However much that might be I don't know and don't really care. People who are interested in the game will play it because they're interested in the game, not because I said mean and hurtful things. Sure, I might be an asshole at times... but that hardly means whoever plays will have to deal with me all the time if they play. It's no skin off my back and none off yours either to simply ignore my existence and play with your friends.

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                      September 21, 2011 12:01 AM

                      "Your response to Wheatloaf was antagonistic"

                      I like Wheatloaf. But, common. Wheaties upped the "tone" ante here.

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                        September 21, 2011 12:23 PM

                        I don't disagree, but TheJirue is stepping over the line. Degenerating a thread into 12 year old school yard goading shouldn't be tolerated.

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                          September 21, 2011 1:31 PM

                          My point was, Weaties already took things to the 12th grade:

                          "dumb fucking"
                          "just fucking spam"
                          "Have some balls"
                          "testicle fondling they're giving you under the table"

                          I am saying that Wheatloaf up'd the antagonism. No TheJirue.

                          I am not saying that TheJirue is correct on his points. Just that he didn't do anything to make it worse.
                          Read this subthread:
                          http://www.shacknews.com/chatty?id=26739822

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                            September 21, 2011 1:47 PM

                            Perhaps you're right on that one, but I also don't feel that TheJirue's mostly contentless posts are appropriate. Sure, it's not against any rules, but I don't think any of us here appreciate a constant stream of messages that convey nothing.

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                              September 21, 2011 2:22 PM

                              *nods* I'll admit my comments have been mostly contentless. But that's cause you guys aren't giving me much to work with. I can't state my enthusiasm for the game or the features the article is talking about because you guys will accuse us of shilling if I do. And I can't have a decent conversation with you guys because your throwing insults and accusing us of shilling instead of trying to ask anything about us. Give me something to go on and I'll go with it.

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                  September 21, 2011 12:27 AM

                  Oh no, if it was, RIP me, Hemtrol, and maybe Trove (?).

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                September 20, 2011 10:10 PM

                *nods* I know, I'm sorry and I feel bad for laughing... It doesn't seem right for me to be amused at this since you guys are obviously very upset about it. But I also felt it isn't fair to not accurately describe my reaction to it since he's been more then fair about sharing his reaction. That's why I'm perfectly okay with you guys getting pissed at me for it cause I do deserve it.

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              September 20, 2011 11:39 PM

              Why is this not banned?

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            September 21, 2011 11:15 AM

            I gave you a 30 minute break for taking this conversation into other news stories. Specially, asking what our NHL 12 coverage had to do with Firefall. You want to act like an idiot, then that's cool. You can take a little break.

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          September 20, 2011 11:36 PM

          Please give this horrible shit a rest. The game looks good, but your marketing is just insulting

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            September 21, 2011 12:01 AM

            Curious what they've done that's different then any other game, really... They talked about features... they got a community hyped about it... got said community involved in talking about it. How is this any different then any other company? It is cause they're new and don't have a history of this yet that it's insulting? No, I'm being serious here. Please tell me what they've done that's so different from other companies that you feel compelled to think they're insulting you.

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              September 21, 2011 12:05 AM

              However you dress it up, this is shilling by spam accounts, incited by the employees of Red 5.

              This is not something that happens with any other game.

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                September 21, 2011 12:11 AM

                I agree. Sort of.
                I believe that the PR department for FireFall wanted to drum up some noise for the game. So they encouraged a bunch of fans to come here and spam. Though they didn't phrase it that way, exactly.

                As a side-effect, 2 or 3 of those fans found the Shack to be a bit more 3 dimentional than the FireFall forums were. So they hung around a bit longer.

                We have a right to be outraged against usury and shilling.

                But a few of these newcomers could be given the benefit of the doubt. I don't really think their goals were nefarious. Even if the PR guy's goals were.

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                September 21, 2011 12:18 AM

                Hmmm... can't say I'm familiar with the term shilling. I keep seeing it thrown about but have no clue what it actually means. Please explain.

                As for the spam accounts, that's easy to explain. The CEO of Firefall has stated how he likes Shacknews as a gaming information site. Says it's his favorite in fact. Se he figured he'd generate interest in the site by getting the Firefall community interested in it via the Firefall Preview article. Even made a goofy poster reward for people who left a comment. Understandable since they're an online game that's free to play with no second hand markets like Walmart or Gamestop standing between them and the players so they talk to the players directly and rely on them spreading the news via word of mouth instead of spamming advertisements for it all over the place like you see on the edge of this site.

                Thus that's how the huge influx of new people came to be. They're all real people just genuine interested in Firefall. Grummz later got called to Shacknews for a direct interview because of the generated interest we showed in the Preview. And since these new interviews carried some information we hadn't heard of before we figured we'd discuss it on Shacknews since (as said before) Grummz likes this site as a news source so showing interest in it via the site seemed like the best way to show our support.

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                    September 21, 2011 12:25 AM

                    Oh! So THAT'S Shilling! Thanks for the link, mate! Nope, definitely not shilling. Just a huge excited fan base with nothing to do since it's currently in Beta and most the people are just sitting around waiting for their chance to play.

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                  September 21, 2011 12:21 AM

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill

                  You may not know it, but you were used.

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                    September 21, 2011 12:29 AM

                    *shrugs* I'm aware we were used to generate interest in the game. But I'm okay with it since I'm genuinely interested in the game and want to talk to others bout it who might not have heard of it. Don't feel like I was used at all...

                    Thought it was only shilling if we were getting paid for it... least that's how the definition from Urban dictionary sounds.

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                      September 21, 2011 12:34 AM

                      Like talking to people about not being interested in it, arguing and making an ass out of yourself too yea? Good job today pal

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                        September 21, 2011 12:40 AM

                        *shrugs* He insulted first. I just told him how it made me laugh and that it seemed pretty sad. Not sure why that makes me out to be the bigger dick when he threw the first blow.

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                      September 21, 2011 12:34 AM

                      We don't care if you feel used. We care if you were used to make us feel used.

                      If you genuinely end up being a member here, good for you. Welcome.

                      But keep in mind that you rode in on a horse of pestilence. You will be judged by your horse until you have put in enough years to be judged separately from your horse.

                      Statements like "Just a huge excited fan base" don't help your cause. That is Shill-speak.

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                        September 21, 2011 12:45 AM

                        Heh, alright. That's cool mate. Not sure I'm gunna remain here long anyways since the only reason I came here was because it had new information on Firefall anyways. Still, glad to see the journalists give coverage to something I'm extremely interested in. Site does seem a bit interesting, though the disdain for anyone trying to generate interest on their game seems a bit weird since it -is- a game informing site...

                        But anyways, have fun with the rest of the site. I'm probably only gunna pop up again if they do more coverage on Firefall later. Admitted it's the only game I'm really excited for at the moment.

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                          September 21, 2011 1:12 AM

                          You seem to have a hard time seeing things our way.

                          For example: What if a bunch of people ended up on the FireFall forum claiming that Dawn Dishwashing Liquid was awesome?

                          What if you found out that the CEO of Procter & Gamble was giving out a free poster if a bunch of Shackers went to the FireFall forum and proclaimed their love for Dawn?

                          It doesn't matter if we loved Dawn, or not. (personally, I think it is a great product. Gets grease out of my way.) You would feel used. Like a commercial had just walked into your living room and sat in your lap.

                          Like I said before, I don't think your personal goals were nefarious. (wiki it) I think you are honestly a fan of Dawn. I mean FireFall.

                          If you stick around and chat about Diablo, Space Marine, Rage, Skyrim, $300 jeans, how crazy females are, irritating neighbors, milquetoast or insane politicians, and oxford commas, then we would be happy to have you on board.

                          But you will have to deal with suspicion at first.
                          For the moment, you still smell like Dawn.

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                            September 21, 2011 1:49 AM

                            Honestly? I'd wonder why they're talking about dish soap on gaming start at first, ask them this, listen to their reason, debate it a bit if I disagree with their reason or support it if I agree, and then ask them if they're interested in Firefall and if that's why they thought to post Dawn adevertising on it's website. The comparison of Dawn soap though doesn't fit this description though since it's something completely unrelated to gaming.

                            Shacknews on the other hand is a site meant for gaming coverage, so for people to express their interest about that game in that particular game's interviews and reviews but then get insulted for that even though they ONLY expressed that interest in that game's reviews and not on the other game reviews seems really stupid to me... and in that sense, yes. I can't understand why you guys are ticked about people talking about a game on a gaming site in that's particular games reviews only. It makes absolutely no sense to me.

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                              September 21, 2011 1:50 AM

                              "on a gaming site" Is what I meant to say at the start there...

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      September 20, 2011 5:14 PM

      FIREFALLGATE

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      September 20, 2011 9:37 PM

      Still waiting to see what's going to happen with that Webzen lawsuit. Did that ever get resolved?

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      September 20, 2011 9:57 PM

      I just hope all this pro E-Sports stuff doesn't affect the PvE negatively. I play my RPGs for the coop and experience of killing monsters, not feel like I'm killing someone else.

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        September 21, 2011 2:03 PM

        They wanted it to be 50/50. But they want the PvP to be Pro E-Sport material. You and I will still be able to have our fun. I played that PvE at PAX Prime this year and I have to say I actually enjoyed the PvE way more then the PvP. By leaps and bounds.

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      September 20, 2011 9:59 PM

      Hell, I'll still buy it.

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      September 20, 2011 10:03 PM

      A retarded 12-year-old level attempt at manipulation is still an attempt at manipulation, which is why people's backs are up, and they have been presented with some easy targets.

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      September 20, 2011 10:19 PM

      Living in South Korea, I can see this getting some mileage with the kids here. As a F2P game, offering Firefall up as a potential esport game might get some attention in Korea. A bit of cable TV programming is dedicated to competitive video game matches (Starcraft being the king) here. Firefall having a toe in the competitive esport pool likely will go a long way promoting it in Asian markets, with sponsored televised matches essentially being advertising.

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        September 21, 2011 2:04 PM

        That is completely up to Webzen and not Red5. Just FYI.

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      September 20, 2011 10:38 PM

      Is this a fucking joke? Am I really seeing the Shack actually promote shilling? If so that really, really fucking sucks a burn victim's balls. Not only is this shilling, it's bullshit flat out shillers attacking Shackers for opposing this sort of blatant crap.

      Not only have these idiots turned a game that I didn't know about yesterday into an absolute no buy. I will also make sure the people at work who play vids wont ever touch it and make them tell two other friends the same thing and so on, and so on, and so on....

      How much is Gamefly getting paid to 'allow' this bs to go on?

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        September 20, 2011 11:35 PM

        I don't know. The whole esport angle for USA I see as pretty weak. But I do expect Red 5 is looking to promoting this game in other international markets. Getting a little buzz that this is the next 'big thing' in competitive video games might pick up some interest elsewhere, especially in asia. Folks over here are all over cash shop games.

        Yeah, pushing the esport bit for the US is likely just a lot of promotion and advertising. But there are other markets out there that love games with this focus.

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        September 28, 2011 2:23 AM

        Hey man it's a no buy game for all the "shillers" too. You can get it for the low low price of free, good to see you're keeping up.

        Anyway, really? "Shillers". The first step to mass hatred is to give the other side dehumanising names. This may go a little 'Godwin's Law' but what you're doing is similar to the British calling the Germans "Huns". By creating labels like that all you're doing is promoting an us vs. them mentality.

        Incidentally I thought this could be a cool website but all this 'hating' has turned this into an absolute no read (Except no, I'm still going to peruse this "chatty" thing once I figure out how it works)

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      September 20, 2011 10:44 PM

      Personally, I predict Firefall is going to bomb, the studio go bankrupt, and players will be fed upon by ravenous puppies, their eyes pecked out by lice-ridden crows. Locusts will cover the land in darkness, and despair will prevail.

      Just my opinion though.

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        September 20, 2011 11:57 PM

        That's cool. Surprised yeh didn't mention eye gouging though... Almost every cruel and unusual thought on something involves eye gouging. Guess it's good to know my puppy eaten body will still have it's eyes in place when that happens.

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          September 28, 2011 2:24 AM

          I'm down with anything that has puppies. Daww they're soo cute!

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      September 21, 2011 12:04 AM

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        September 21, 2011 3:47 AM

        I have not yet hit puberty and this makes me angry.

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      September 21, 2011 12:20 AM

      So what non-amazing-who-cares-news firefall post is scheduled for tomorrow at noon?

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      September 21, 2011 12:33 AM

      Wait, isn't Red5 the GRAW studio?

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        September 21, 2011 12:39 AM

        Someone should fill out their wiki with the latest news on the lawsuit and more info on firefall.

        http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_5_Studios

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        September 21, 2011 12:41 AM

        Whoops, that's Red Storm. I'd play a Red Storm MMO.

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        September 21, 2011 3:34 AM

        Naw, they're the studio that will be out of business soon.

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          September 21, 2011 5:31 AM

          Love and hate are the same family, because we care. So Red 5 is growing strong and will remain strong!!!
          P.S.: Maybe, nobody loves/ hates you. How sad....

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      September 21, 2011 12:52 AM

      FIREFAIL

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        September 21, 2011 12:52 AM

        I spent all night thinking about that one.

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          September 21, 2011 7:17 AM

          Insomnia, also called agrypnia, about FireFall? It is because you care so much about FireFall. A good sign!

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        September 21, 2011 12:55 AM

        lol.

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          September 21, 2011 1:22 AM

          I second this lol, and would like to add a guffaw.

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          September 21, 2011 3:45 AM

          umegastar, are you just wtf-ing everything I say in this thread?

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      September 21, 2011 3:42 AM

      lol this thread is hilarious

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      September 21, 2011 3:45 AM

      what a train wreck

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        September 21, 2011 6:47 AM

        Not a train wreck at all; it' is a flurry of " Shit-throwing " at each other and at ourselves, which is totally wholesome ! Because it helps relieve our daily stress, and keeps us sane. Rx.

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          September 21, 2011 8:54 AM

          I guess monkeys are smarter than we all thought.

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      September 21, 2011 7:16 AM

      Right now, this entire thread is just name calling between two groups of gamers who would probably get along just great if it were not for this thread. That's unfortunate.

      So, I'll just take full responsibility. I love shack, and I love Firefall, and it was in earnest excitement that I asked our community to ask questions about Firefall so that I could answer them here. I asked for intelligent, non-spammy comments right from the get-go. But apparently that doesn't happen all the time, and not all contributions to the thread were valid. My fault. Did I want to get Firefall noticed, Yes. Was it a cheap marketing ploy? No, at least not intentionally. The intent was to provide value by adding information to articles and show people we had a strong community.

      I wanted to provide value, so I stayed and answered questions about the game as much as I could. I did not promote our game as great, I just tried to provide information on features relevant to what the article covered about the game.

      Angering the Shack community, which I've been part of for many, many, years, was never an intent. I apologize. I'm not a marketing person, I'm a game maker, and this was my fault and my fault only. The people here from our community are genuine, real gamers who you should get to know. It breaks my heart to see you guys argue when they are just like you. I hope the mudslinging can stop. If you want to take it out on someone, e-mail me at mkern@red5studios.com since I am the one who made the mistake.

      Mark Kern,
      CEO, Red 5 Studions, Inc and Shacker

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        September 21, 2011 7:44 AM

        The only "mistake" you made is that you have made a wonderful great game - FireFall.

        I love FireFall ! Because it makes me happy!
        I love Shack ! Bicause it makes me sane by helping relieve some of my daily stresses!

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        September 21, 2011 8:15 AM

        happy to say that i'm both a longtime shack reader and a firefall fan ;)

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        September 21, 2011 8:56 AM

        Aww, can't we take a little bit of blame? :P

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          September 21, 2011 9:04 AM

          Nope...but you can start offering the olive branch. Nobody did anything more than get baited by each other. Start contributing to chatty and show them you are a real gamer with real interests. Shakers can help by just giving these newcomers a chance to integrate. It's not too late.

          FYI, we do plan on running some ads on shack for the crystite challenge. Buti assume that's all legit, shakers. If not, email me and let me know what you would like to see...but let's take it off the threads.

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        September 21, 2011 9:34 AM

        Most Shackers won't see this thanks to the new chatty system. This thread no longer bumps up in the Chatty after so many hours based on the root timestamp.

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          September 21, 2011 9:45 AM

          Where should post it then?

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            September 21, 2011 9:45 AM

            Where should I post it then?

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              September 21, 2011 9:58 AM

              In the Chatty. Chatty threads only last 18 hours (or something like that) now. That includes the threads that are injected in there from main story posts.

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        December 28, 2013 4:47 PM

        Hey is this e-mail still valid or do I need to send you a note via hotmail now?

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      September 21, 2011 1:42 PM

      Once again, I am a day late and a shill short... Epic thread though.

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      September 21, 2011 3:36 PM

      Yes! Finally someone is actually thinking they way serious gamers are. eSports for the win.

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      September 23, 2011 10:01 AM

      hi Morgan :D, hope you can help make firefall as big as an e-sport as things like SC LOL and so on. i assume this will be the case. hope everything goes well for you.

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      September 27, 2011 10:00 AM

      I would love to see some footage of her playing Firefall like a pro :D

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      September 28, 2011 2:15 AM

      The cynical side of me would say "Really? A fragdoll? Leaves a bad taste in my mouth that does." but she seems legit. Also why did they only show PvE footage in a PvP focused interview?

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      July 8, 2014 7:06 PM

      Posting in this shit game thread. Red 5 suck my balls, son.

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      August 1, 2014 11:08 PM

      Nearly three years later, we're STILL waiting on the beta keys we were promised by the CEO.

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      August 2, 2014 1:33 PM

      I can't believe I missed this thread when it happened!

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