Morning Discussion: Presidents Day Edition

Today is the federal holiday of Washington's Birthday in the USA, celebrating the great man who'll save children but not the British children.

Residents of the USA might have today off work, or perhaps they might not. Here at Shacknews we're in a half-holiday state, where we're doing a few odds and ends but are not pumping video games as hard.

The rest of the world: today is Monday, proceed as per usual.

From The Chatty
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    February 15, 2010 5:16 AM

    Beware everyone ADs on the Shack are spreading trojans again...

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      February 15, 2010 5:17 AM

      [deleted]

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      February 15, 2010 5:22 AM

      AdBlock Plus + Firefox = heaven.

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        February 15, 2010 5:28 AM

        Yeah, seriously. Mercury member with ads of helps too.

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        February 15, 2010 6:39 AM

        This and toss in NoScript for fun.

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          February 15, 2010 7:14 AM

          Does that really do anything beyond what ABP does? I thought it would interfere with Greasemonkey....

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            February 15, 2010 7:15 AM

            noscript pretty much breaks every website in existence and is not worth the trouble for normal people

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              February 15, 2010 7:32 AM

              Very true - I've been using it long enough that I've got my normal sites setup fine and its nice to know whats running on the random sketchy websites that you can hit. It's interesting to see how many scripts connecting to other sites are running on a typical page.

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          February 15, 2010 7:15 AM

          wow got this too..getting slammed with ad scripts. Hope I can filter individual scripts..I still want to have to block all of the shack.

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          February 15, 2010 7:17 AM

          adblock + flashblock is enough, for me anyway

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        February 15, 2010 7:07 AM

        just installed it..what filter list are you using?

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        February 15, 2010 7:22 AM

        we can talk about adblockers now? thank fucking god, they are basically required here

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          February 15, 2010 7:24 AM

          Yeah, I wasn't sure if it was still tempbannable. But it's absolutely necessary at this point -- nobody's done the right thing and pulled the ads until they can figure this shit out.

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            February 15, 2010 7:27 AM

            yep I have no problem looking and even clicking ads..but not willing to format my pc for it. :(

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          February 15, 2010 7:25 AM

          i'm gonna guess that the mods haven't noticed this subthread yet

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            February 15, 2010 7:26 AM

            it's been up for over two hours and was one of the first replies in thread o_O

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          February 15, 2010 7:28 AM

          I don't see what choice we have until it's fixed.

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          February 15, 2010 7:31 AM

          I think they layed off the tempbans once trojans entered the picture. It's not about fucking over the shack, it's about protecting yourself now.

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            February 15, 2010 7:37 AM

            It's never been about fucking over the shack. That's one of the things that' so insulting.

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          February 15, 2010 8:30 AM

          I think its gotten to a point where the mods have relaxed the usual policies on this.

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          February 15, 2010 11:14 AM

          It's really about time because imo, somebody would be complicit in the distribution of malware if they were to nuke a thread explaining how to avoid it. It's absurd that we have the information to potentially save somebody a lot of headache and withhold it out of some silly fear.

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          February 15, 2010 2:46 PM

          Yup, pretty fucking sad that its come to that, but its only fair after watching them pop up over and over again with nothing being done about it.

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        February 15, 2010 7:36 AM

        yeah, everybody without a lightning bolt has been running ABP + FlashBlock ever since gamefly took over and this bullshit started.

        • Ebu legacy 10 years
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          February 15, 2010 6:40 PM

          (Some of us have been running it since long before that...it's pretty much: fresh install, firefox, adblock, dta, mse, updates)

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        February 15, 2010 7:38 AM

        + Noscript = AIDS free browsing

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        February 15, 2010 8:14 AM

        I just use Flashblock when browsing. If I need flash for a site I use IE. Most flash ads have a .gif backup and they don't randomly lock down one of your CPU's.

        On a side note Windows Defender detected a trojan for the first time in I don't know how many years. I did a MBAM scan and it found a couple more. I think it may have come from the Shack now. I need to apologize to my niece who frequently uses my system on a limited account but has never infected a thing.

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        February 15, 2010 8:33 AM

        Yeah the site forced me to use it, oh well.

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        February 15, 2010 10:19 AM

        I can't believe I never installed this before now. Works like a charm.

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          February 15, 2010 1:25 PM

          you've never used AB? my goodness, the horrors you must've seen...

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        February 15, 2010 10:53 AM

        Also available as an extension in Chrome.

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        February 15, 2010 4:20 PM

        Frankly, at this point, if you are browsing the shack without adblock, flashblock, and (optionally) noscript running then you're pretty much asking for something nasty to happen.

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      February 15, 2010 5:25 AM

      That's been happening for several weeks now.

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      February 15, 2010 5:43 AM

      I read that as AIDS on the shack :X

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        February 15, 2010 7:25 AM

        The Shack has been spreading that for years.

    • Ziz legacy 10 years
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      February 15, 2010 5:43 AM

      When will we see ads for trojans on the shack?

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      February 15, 2010 5:44 AM

      The ads have disappeared for me maybe a week ago.. I thought that was the case for everyone?

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      February 15, 2010 5:54 AM

      I just got one. Closed ie before it could load, but was prompted. Be careful people. Task manager + end process is your friend.

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        February 15, 2010 7:32 AM

        Alt + F4 worked for me.

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          February 15, 2010 7:41 AM

          (that's the hotkey for ending a process)

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            February 15, 2010 8:26 AM

            You're thinking of Windows Key + F4.

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              February 15, 2010 8:47 AM

              what's the difference? is alt+F4 just "close window"?

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                February 15, 2010 8:55 AM

                Yes, it sends WM_CLOSE to the window. It can choose to ignore it, or do other stuff before responding to it.

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      February 15, 2010 6:11 AM

      I don't understand how this could be going on for so long. If i were visiting the shack for the first time and got something like this i would simply never come back. And if they want it to grow (which it appears they do, seeing how rapid-fire me-too the front page posting has become) they're shooting themselves in the face.

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        February 15, 2010 6:58 AM

        Compare their response to reddit's when they had a popover ad. As soon as reddit found out about it they immediately turned off all ads until they could figure out what was causing it.

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          February 15, 2010 7:23 AM

          BUT WE'S GOT BILLS TO PAY YO

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            February 15, 2010 7:39 AM

            Yeah, to be fair... Reddit doesn't have to serve terabytes of videos and game demos every day.

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              February 15, 2010 7:41 AM

              so it's ok for the shack to continue serving trojans...? I fail to see the logic here

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                February 15, 2010 7:42 AM

                probably because that's not what he said

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                  February 15, 2010 7:43 AM

                  his implication was that it's ok for the shack to continue serving the current ads because their bandwidth bill is higher.

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                    February 15, 2010 7:46 AM

                    i read it as maintaining a more even perspective, that reddit's website does not do what shacknews/fileshack/shackvideo does and thus perhaps the same standards do not apply in the same way. nobody is saying that "it's okay for shack's advertisers to serve trojans," don't be a dummy.

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              February 15, 2010 8:30 AM

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                February 15, 2010 8:36 AM

                With youtube it's really pointless to use shackvideos especially with how bad the video player is at times. Fileshack isn't used by me anymore either

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                  February 15, 2010 9:18 AM

                  They serve a TON of videos via the front page.

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                February 15, 2010 9:10 AM

                I stopped using Fileshack when it started removing the .exe from files. So annoying...

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          February 15, 2010 7:41 AM

          And that's what would have happened -- and did happen, on a few occasions -- when Steve owned the site.

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          February 15, 2010 7:44 AM

          That would be the most logical, customer-friendly response.

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        February 15, 2010 7:06 AM

        I am pretty surprised about this as well. I understand they are asking people to provide info and stuff. Honestly It seems like they are wasting way to many hours of their own staff's time on this. It shouldn't be their responsibility to seek out these malicious ads.

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      February 15, 2010 6:12 AM

      Sorry, didn't see this before I posted.

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      February 15, 2010 7:11 AM

      It really has gone on far too long. It's a great word-of-mouth advertisement for those unmentionable Firefox plug ins. I never turn mine off; it's just stupid to browse websites that server malware without being locked down.

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      February 15, 2010 7:12 AM

      I hope Chrome is immune to this stuff.

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        February 15, 2010 7:17 AM

        Thats a negative. I've been getting them using Chrome but Microsoft Security Essentials has found and destroyed all the infections.

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          February 15, 2010 7:18 AM

          Crap, thanks for letting me know.

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            February 15, 2010 7:41 AM

            im running a no-ads script for chrome, its preventing it, MSE catches it when I use IE though.

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        February 15, 2010 10:21 AM

        There was stuff out there that would autoinstall the fake antivirus without anything poping up on the screen at all and chrome was vulnerable, don't know if this has been patched yet.

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      February 15, 2010 7:16 AM

      OSX + Safari = Safe.

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        February 15, 2010 7:38 AM

        I can't stand safari :( I do love me some OSX though

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          February 15, 2010 8:13 AM

          I prefer it over Chrome and Firefox. It always seems snappier.

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      February 15, 2010 7:19 AM

      I'm thinking about leaving the shack over this. No joke. To be honest, I access the shack a lot at work and I can only use IE.

      So where does everyone else gather? :(

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        February 15, 2010 7:22 AM

        have fun at stoofoo

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        February 15, 2010 7:23 AM

        [deleted]

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          February 15, 2010 7:25 AM

          not without installing adobe air

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        February 15, 2010 7:30 AM

        iPhone or Droid are your safest options now.

        • DM7 legacy 10 years
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          February 15, 2010 7:35 AM

          I know I'm using my Droid!

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        February 15, 2010 7:38 AM

        sounds like someone needs to make a portable "ShackApp"

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          February 15, 2010 7:41 AM

          Shack .NET

          If I get bored maybe I'll take it as an opportunity to play with WPF more. Maybe I'll do it in Silverlight, that'll piss off plenty of you, right?

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        February 15, 2010 7:47 AM

        well, there's this: http://shack.stonedonkey.com/

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          February 15, 2010 8:43 AM

          ^^^This is probably your best bet. Unless you do have an iphone.

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          February 15, 2010 9:21 AM

          Holy crap, how did I not know about this? I've been using the regular comments threads via the main page on my bold for a year now.

          Thank you jesus!

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        February 15, 2010 8:13 AM

        Can you access stonedonkeys mobile page?
        http://shack.stonedonkey.com/
        Doesn't require a phone / special software.

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        February 15, 2010 8:40 AM

        Do work at work?

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          February 15, 2010 9:27 AM

          Yes and I work a lot when I'm home as well but there are down times.

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        February 15, 2010 11:27 AM

        Chrome or Firefox will run without installing. You can configure them to use whatever proxy setup you have in IE.

      • Ebu legacy 10 years
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        February 15, 2010 6:43 PM

        The genius of the winchatty apps (and droid, iphone, bb, etc) is that it effectively disconnects the user from the shack. It no longer matters where the site is hosted.

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      February 15, 2010 7:25 AM

      What is the trojan? I got something called AntiVirus Plus. I was wondering where it came from--maybe from here.

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      February 15, 2010 7:44 AM

      Gamefly, I am not pleased.

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        February 15, 2010 7:45 AM

        Just wait until mace starts paying for his Mercury subscription with rape dollar$

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          February 15, 2010 7:48 AM

          All my posts will be pictures of giant, black, caveman club-like penises from here on out.

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            February 15, 2010 7:49 AM

            Register a domain name and name your price, because I would subscribe to this.

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            February 15, 2010 7:49 AM

            someone will just write a greasemonkey script to replace your dongposts with random pictures from reddit's ephebophile page and all will be well :P

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        February 15, 2010 7:48 AM

        [deleted]

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          February 15, 2010 8:01 AM

          It's almost impossible for me to Shack on the weekends. We usually have basketball games all Saturday morning, then we'll come home and catch up on LOST or whatever, run errands and stuff. Then Sunday is usually spent cleaning the house and doing homework. When you have 2 adults, 3 kids, 3 dogs and 2 cats in one house - it's nuts. I'm telling you, get some houseplants instead. I love my boys but goddamn I'm exhausted from everything. I'd give a thousand dollars to be able to just sit around in my underwear all day, jerk off when I felt like it and play video games and not have to hear about getting the house picked up every three fucking secondsklajsd;flj;laksdjjkl; asdklfj;;LKDJ

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            February 15, 2010 8:15 AM

            FAMILY'D

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            February 15, 2010 8:16 AM

            Strangely, Phil's wish is my life.

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              February 15, 2010 10:16 AM

              Grass is always greener etc. But yeah I'm in your boat too.

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              February 15, 2010 1:54 PM

              Mine Too! I'm living the dream!

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            February 15, 2010 8:18 AM

            You know for my birthday every year I ask to do this. I get awesome replies like lets all go to the beach for your birthday.

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              February 15, 2010 9:22 AM

              lol. Last year my wife invited her mother over for my birthday mqmosdifhkjmojbdfihyubzeprçé"hmoidnjfvmodrhoqsdfljqsdfhouyioyuuioqsdfis i h sdfguiguipqsdfigpdfipg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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            February 15, 2010 11:33 AM

            ^has more critters than the beverly hillbillies.

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          February 15, 2010 11:04 AM

          Hey Brah!

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      February 15, 2010 8:21 AM

      I won't visit the shack from my work machine anymore. Kinda sucks when I'm on the road. Sometimes shacking on my iPad mini gives me a headache.

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      February 15, 2010 8:46 AM

      Has any other (non-dodgy) site been serving malware ads regularly for months on end?

      I really can't buy the excuses about the advertising network anymore when it seems unique to the Shack.

      Other sites have this issue very, very rarely. The shack gets a new trojan ever couple of weeks, it seems.

      Ridiculous.

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        February 15, 2010 8:47 AM

        i've never had this problem on literally any other website i visit. just shacknews.

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          February 15, 2010 8:50 AM

          hey, we can always contact gamefly support:
          http://www.contacthelp.com/directory/Internet/Web+Sites/GameFly?ListingID=232

          Phone: 888-986-6400
          How to reach a live person:
          Press 5 when recording begins playing.
          Hours of Operation:
          Phone Support: 12pm-4pm CST
          Email Support: 8am-7pm CST
          Email:
          support@gamefly.com

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            February 15, 2010 9:08 AM

            Jesus, there are some irate people in those comments.

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          February 15, 2010 8:54 AM

          A wallpaper site I visit once had a malware ad. It was gone pretty quickly and never came back AFAIK.

          A bunch of sites have had bad stuff injected through SQL exploits too. I don't think any site is 100% safe... but the shack seems pretty unique in serving malware again and again for several months now, while making BS excuses for doing it.

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            February 15, 2010 10:10 AM

            BS excuses? Where does any Shacknews employee ever even mention we're looking into it? Most of these threads I see, no one ever posts it's just ignored.

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              February 15, 2010 10:11 AM

              there have been posts in previous threads where an employee indicated that it was being tracked and resolved. can't remember who posted though.

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              February 15, 2010 10:11 AM

              From a couple of weeks ago: http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=22071902#itemanchor_22071902

              greg-m is the person that has been responding to the issues.

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              February 15, 2010 11:17 AM

              There have been loads of examples but I'm not sure how the idea that no Shacknews employees were even *trying* to look into it would make things any better!?

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          February 15, 2010 9:12 AM

          i saw it a while back on a webcomic site i visited, but it was a really small one, with one guy running the site. even he got it taken care of pretty quickly though. haven't seen it since. haven't had an issue on any other site but shacknews.

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        February 15, 2010 10:42 AM

        so far its has only happened to me here. Kinda fucked up really.

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        February 15, 2010 5:04 PM

        I visit 4chan and encyclopediadramatica daily and have 0 malware attempts there versus the 4 attempts here and the 1 success.

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      February 15, 2010 8:55 AM

      I am very concerned about this. Has there been a response from Gamefly. I will no longer be able to Shack if this website spreads Trojans.

    • tcs legacy 10 years
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      February 15, 2010 9:40 AM

      Shacknews - It get's you ABP

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      February 15, 2010 10:02 AM

      I love the fake "trojan scanner" that scanned my whole hard drive in 3 seconds... RIGHT!!! sure it did.

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      February 15, 2010 10:39 AM

      Didn't you know the shack gets your chicks? You should thank them for e-trojans for your e-women.

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      February 15, 2010 10:46 AM

      I don't know wtf you all are talking about

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      February 15, 2010 12:27 PM

      I managed to hose my Firefox install while updating it a week ago. While I opened IE to redownload FF, I got distracted and wandered into shacknews. First visit on IE i get the browser hijacked by the fake AV shit. Scary.

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      February 15, 2010 12:35 PM

      i don't like the idea of ad-blocking the shack, but this makes me seriously consider it.

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        February 15, 2010 12:37 PM

        How are you viewing the ads helping the situation though? It isn't

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          February 15, 2010 12:38 PM

          Run noscript. You still get the ads, but no horrible scripts. Good compromise.

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        February 15, 2010 12:39 PM

        Would you consider NoScript first? Lets honest ads through, blocks 3rd party malware. I use it and am quite happy with it.

        Yes there is an extra button to click upon first visiting a site but that is much better than reinstalling Windows.

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          February 15, 2010 1:04 PM

          for you, anything.

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            February 15, 2010 1:12 PM

            Careful! I'll have you eating rocks and twigs. Also I think NoScript is Firefox only.

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          February 15, 2010 5:53 PM

          What about just using YesScript. It works the opposite, you put in sites you want to block scripts from.

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        February 15, 2010 1:20 PM

        I don't see what alternative you have besides not coming here.

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      February 15, 2010 12:50 PM

      remember folks, ECO is hard at work on this!!!
      http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=21632924#itemanchor_21632924

      it's his next-to-most-recent post. no posts from ECO in 2010. I'm sure he's lurking every day, though, right? right?

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      February 15, 2010 12:55 PM

      Gamefly taking over won't change anything!

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        February 15, 2010 1:02 PM

        Seems like they are fulfilling their promise!

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      February 15, 2010 12:55 PM

      Is there a way to do whitelist Flash allow in Chrome? The only sites I can see needing it are Hulu and YouTube for now.

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        February 15, 2010 1:04 PM

        NoScript blocks Flash unless you specifically allow it per site (it remembers the site). I use Firefox but it is apparently coming "soon" for Chrome

        http://techie-buzz.com/browsers/disable-javascript-images-cookies-in-google-chrome.html

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          February 15, 2010 1:05 PM

          Well look at me not completely reading what I linked first.

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        February 15, 2010 1:13 PM

        Install flashblock on chrome, go to youtube, click the flashblock icon in the URL bar, click allow flash on this site, go to hulu, do the same thing.

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        February 15, 2010 3:02 PM

        In the latest builds you can globally disable plugins and then whitelist them for those two sites. That affects all plugins, though. (plugins != extensions)

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      February 15, 2010 2:36 PM

      shit, I just got hit by one on my work computer!
      >;(

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      February 15, 2010 3:06 PM

      oh hi2u from linux

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      February 15, 2010 3:06 PM

      What ads?

      http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm

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      February 15, 2010 3:35 PM

      Hi everyone,
      Can we have a non-hyperbole moment here?

      Malware may happen. It's unfortunate. The powers that be are working on it. It's not like it's been 3 months straight of OMG VIRUSES, there have been non-trivial efforts to fix the problem. Do many of you work in IT doing malware/virus/phishing support? If so you're probably familiar with how when you knock one source down, another is going to come back. There isn't one simple fix for this stuff, and patience is appreciated.

      So that said,

      What there won't be is rabble rousing of "lets get the shack blacklisted" or similiar shennanigans. I'll just say that's the opposite of useful and I'm done with it.. If you disagree, great, but that's not a discussion for shacknews. If you really have to get it out of your system, you can message me directly. If you have questions about nukes, then message that moderator or a head moderator such as myself, Helvetica or Ajax.

      Is there anything you can do to help? First, keep calm and carry on. Protect yourself. Keep a virus scanner, use no-script and the best browser possible. If you're stuck on IE6, that's unfortunate. If you see the ad that starts something, take a screen shot. If you have a tracing program like fiddler running, then double awesome and those logs will tell tons. Those results can be shackmessaged to greg-m.

      Thanks

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        February 15, 2010 3:45 PM

        if you buy mercury, are you completely safe?

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          February 15, 2010 3:51 PM

          Well, you don't see any ads at all with Mercury, so yes.

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          February 15, 2010 3:59 PM

          [deleted]

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            February 15, 2010 4:25 PM

            They appear to have logical boxes where the ads should be. The boxes are hidden, though, and no content is served to them.

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          February 15, 2010 4:00 PM

          As soon as they figure out how to get us with ads we cant see then we are fucked!

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          February 15, 2010 4:24 PM

          Yep.

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          February 15, 2010 4:31 PM

          Only after you log in.

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            February 15, 2010 5:07 PM

            ^^ I'm scared to Shack w/ Steam Overlay now since it tends to forget my login a lot, and it uses IE as a backing. :X

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          February 15, 2010 4:34 PM

          yeah but you don't want to touch it. it'll absorb through your skin. you don't want long-term mercury exposure!

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          February 15, 2010 4:37 PM

          if you bought a mac you'd be safer :)

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        February 15, 2010 3:51 PM

        The "help us play whack-a-mole" line gets pretty tired when there are substantial bursts of this basically every month, and have been since September or October (at least).

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          February 15, 2010 4:01 PM

          Obviously it's a pain for everyone. But they are trying hard to remedy the situation.

          It's easy to say "hey man shut off the ads" but what will that really achieve? Will they find the offending provider that way? Will Gamefly Media keep kicking along and running servers and paying people with no revenue coming in? What's the answer here, Arcanum?

          I'll tell you what the answer is Let's work together to help everyone shack safe, and perhaps even assist with the problem. Let's take the simple precautions that have been listed many times - use NoScript, or IE's secure browsing feature, buy Mercury if you want to contribute some cash, install malware/antivirus, or use 3rd party chatty apps or sites. Let's band together and achieve something rather than just sitting back and complaining. Aren't we a community?

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            February 15, 2010 4:04 PM

            It sounds like shacknews has multiple ad streams, maybe they need to bite the bullet and alternately shut one down at a time each week, asking for feedback as they go along so they can at least punt the ball to the correct ad provider.

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            February 15, 2010 4:10 PM

            Not "hey man shut off the ads" but what about, "hey man change the ads to a setup that any other website uses because I've not heard of any other website on the planet with this kind of problem this frequently for this long..."

            People calling it hyperbole and saying to just ignore the fact that the website keeps trying to infect its readers month after month is a little patronising and from where most of us are sitting the results of the people working hard, whether they are or not, are hard to see.

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              February 15, 2010 4:13 PM

              Pretty much this. Shack is hardly the only web community I'm a part of, but it is the only one that's had a longstanding issue with serving malware. This doesn't even directly affect me, being a Mercury subscriber, but it's wrong and dangerous for it to go on like this. It needs to be fixed, and it's not hyperbole to suggest people take reasonable action on it.

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                February 15, 2010 4:19 PM

                This is exactly it; how is it that every other site I frequent doesn't have this issue with the same frequency yet shack magically suffers consistently? I'm all for supporting the shack, but pushing me to mercury because your business model involves infecting non sub'd users is bs.

                If this isn't the case how can you defend the status quo?

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            February 15, 2010 4:15 PM

            At this point I think it's pretty clear that there's an underlying problem that goes beyond "one of our ad providers had an oops so there are some bad ads floating around". It looks more like there are one or more consistently lax (if not outright malicious) ad providers that are not being removed.

            The suggestion that people should do all these things, not as general precautions but to work around regular problems on a supposedly legitimate site, is frankly appalling. Yes this is a community, but the site itself is intermittently hostile not just to the community but to everyone else as well.

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              February 15, 2010 4:30 PM

              How often have you been hit by these problematic ads?

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                February 15, 2010 4:38 PM

                Oh, are we now going to play the "you haven't been hit, so you have no business complaining" game? Who was it that was just going on about the community?

                I have a lightning bolt. I don't have ad problems directly, but I have a problem with the recurring problem other people are having.

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                  February 15, 2010 4:43 PM

                  I want to know why the people that are complaining the loudest here haven't been affected by it at all.

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                    February 15, 2010 4:44 PM

                    Because we care about the site? Most likely the ones that have been affected most are front-page only visitors that aren't even commenting here, given the numbers.

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                      February 15, 2010 4:47 PM

                      Because its an overreaction based on assumptions?

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                        February 15, 2010 4:48 PM

                        Well, someone's making assumptions here, that's for sure.

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                    February 15, 2010 4:45 PM

                    But Dave-A, aren't we a community?

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                    February 15, 2010 4:48 PM

                    This is my favorite whorehouse and, even though I always wear a condom, I'm concerned because the hookers keep getting AIDS.

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                      February 15, 2010 6:02 PM

                      ^^ this is clearly the best reaction. I miss my [lol] button :(

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                      February 15, 2010 6:47 PM

                      So awesome you should be ashamed!

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                      February 16, 2010 3:21 PM

                      There is no better analogy.

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                    February 15, 2010 5:49 PM

                    HAHAHAHA. You obviously don't know PC gamers very well. It's like website DRM my brotha.

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                    February 15, 2010 5:52 PM

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                    February 20, 2010 7:53 AM

                    this is f'ing rubbish you brownshirter.

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          February 15, 2010 4:11 PM

          The last big "burst" was a false alarm in Microsoft MSE. It's been a good bit since the last real one.

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        February 15, 2010 3:55 PM

        I've harvested the shacknews botnet and I am presently using it to post to a petitiononline anti shacknews malware petition

        make your time

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        February 15, 2010 4:19 PM

        Hold on a minute here. Don't pull this "it's an IT thing, you won't understand" junk. I am in IT and if a source keeps supplying virus and spyware, I cut them off. If the source is one machine but I can't narrow it down beyond 15,000 machines, I cut off 15,000 machines to stop an attack. Really its not rocket science. Yes we all get infected sometimes but if I allowed multiple repeat attacks to continue I would be fired and probably never find another job in IT again.

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          February 15, 2010 4:23 PM

          Exactly. All this "malware happens" and "you've gotta help us help you" and "IT is hard" crap is just whitewashing bullshit. It may be whitewashing bullshit being shoveled down from on-high, but it's still whitewashing bullshit.

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          February 15, 2010 4:24 PM

          I didn't want to pull the "I'm a security expert" crap here but I work in this field as well and agree with baron.

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          February 15, 2010 4:30 PM

          Oh come on. So dramatic. I'm not saying it's puppies and butterflies, I'm just saying it's not a simple solution.

          If you have a simple solution, write it up and I'm sure ECO would love to hear your concerns.

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            February 15, 2010 4:36 PM

            The viruses are coming from ads, you cut off the ad network. Of course Shack IT can't because a business decision is preventing them.

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            February 15, 2010 4:39 PM

            they should just call steve gibson and ask him what he did, because this was never a problem before

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          February 15, 2010 4:30 PM

          Agree. There has been plenty of patience on the part of folks who come here. Hearing this is pretty annoying. I go to plenty of sites that have ads for revenue on a regular basis and not a single one of them has had this kind of redirect yet.

          As baron calamity said, if your source keeps doing it, drop the source. Honest question here, are you all using the same source that you have been since it first started getting reported many months ago? If so, why?

          Shack rocks, this does not and don't think that the awesome that is here gives a pass because of it.

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          February 15, 2010 4:56 PM

          ^^^

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        February 15, 2010 4:20 PM

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          February 15, 2010 4:31 PM

          Be nice if it were up to the mods but it's not. I can't speak for Gamefly and won't but you might notice that we are allowing discussion of ad blockers and encouraging NoScript. This is not standard operating procedure.

          Until this is fixed that is about all the mods can do.

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          February 15, 2010 4:33 PM

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            February 15, 2010 4:35 PM

            Who is telling anyone to fuck off?!

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              February 15, 2010 4:36 PM

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                February 15, 2010 4:39 PM

                I haven't forgotten that.

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                February 15, 2010 4:39 PM

                The day he suggested it politely as a possibility and asked people to check it out, you mean? How could he do this to us, dmason?!? HOW COULD HE DARE?!?

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                  February 15, 2010 4:41 PM

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                    February 15, 2010 4:42 PM

                    Or months of correcting the issues, and having new ones pop up? Yeah, whatever, man. What. Ever.

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                      February 15, 2010 4:45 PM

                      Sorry but that's treating the symptoms but not the cause. How many months does it have to go on for before it's too long?

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                        February 15, 2010 4:46 PM

                        The last known incident was in early february and before that december. That's not an issue just dragging out forever, those are spot instances that were taken care of. This is not some "they're ignoring it for 94 days and running" situation.

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                          February 15, 2010 4:51 PM

                          Uh... Honestly, WTF, man?

                          a) How is it not a big deal that the last one was in early February when it's only mid-February now and we seem to have yet another one?

                          a) There was another one on January 7th (as I posted above). So even if there were no others -- believe it or not I haven't been keeping track or looking for these threads -- that's two this month, one last month and one the month before. You really don't find that a bit too much?

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                            February 15, 2010 4:52 PM

                            UH WTF MAN I MEAN WHAT THE FUCK

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                              February 15, 2010 4:53 PM

                              geedeck i love you but you pretty much always make things worse when you try to calm down these threads

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                                February 15, 2010 4:55 PM

                                vaseline and frozen orange juice.

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                                  February 15, 2010 4:56 PM

                                  i've got some nerve gas grenades here we could put to good use

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                              February 15, 2010 4:55 PM

                              Sorry but I honestly find what you're saying inexplicable and you seem to be unaware of the number of frequency of these incidents.

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                              February 15, 2010 4:57 PM

                              Sorry, had to work the hyperbole out, I'm good now.

                              What I'm saying is that they're time specific incidents, and not like we've had OMG VIRAL ADS FOR 4 MONTHS STRAIGHT. If there was an additional incident, then maybe greg-m wasn't aware of it. Which also reinforces why it's important to contact them with these things.

                              I'm not saying it's not an issue, I'm just saying have some patience and don't be like a South Park Canadian and flip your lid

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                                February 15, 2010 5:01 PM

                                Each piece of malware is a specific incident but after, what, five/six or more incidents that's a patter and it shows the current way of dealing with the problem just isn't working.

                                Something needs to change to stop it happening again. As people keep saying, this pattern of malware ads re-appearing every month (or more often) doesn't seem to affect any other website.

                                We understand it's difficult, and I think people were patient and understanding at first, but it keeps happening, and only happening here.

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                            February 15, 2010 5:00 PM

                            The one in early Feb was the MSE false positive

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                              February 15, 2010 5:02 PM

                              Okay, but that's still at least one a month for the last three months, plus a couple before that which I forget the timing of.

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                      February 15, 2010 4:45 PM

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                  February 15, 2010 4:42 PM

                  Why are you guys getting in front of this rather than behind the community? Who else do we have to communicate our concerns both legit and stupid?

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              February 15, 2010 4:38 PM

              I'm sure the mods and the staff of the shack isn't. Their hands are tied.

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                February 15, 2010 4:40 PM

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                  February 15, 2010 4:43 PM

                  For sure! I'm bitching and becoming all Mr. Furious but at the same time I know only some mods and maybe a lone IT staff will read it. It sucks for them too. :(

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          February 15, 2010 4:36 PM

          because theyre in dire straits he knows all the chords

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        February 15, 2010 4:33 PM

        I visit a lot of sites on the internet every day. None of them seem to have this recurring problem shack is having.

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          February 15, 2010 4:37 PM

          I'm not unconcerned and I'm not saying it isn't an issue. But I do think that concerns should be directed to the ECO where it's actually assured that the relevant people are seeing it.

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          February 15, 2010 4:40 PM

          Shack seems to be the only place this happens.

          "Malware just happens" is not the right answer.

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        February 15, 2010 4:38 PM

        Fuck that, is all I have to say. We're getting viruses and you're telling us to shut up about it.

        It's obvious by now that GF could give to shits about us. You don't have to cover for them anymore. If they really cared they'd have flushed this problem long ago. Fucking viruses. Come on.

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          February 15, 2010 4:40 PM

          Nowhere in his post is he telling anyone to shut up about the malware.

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            February 15, 2010 4:41 PM

            "I'll just say that's the opposite of useful and I'm done with it.. If you disagree, great, but that's not a discussion for shacknews. If you really have to get it out of your system, you can message me directly. If you have questions about nukes, then message that moderator or a head moderator such as myself, Helvetica or Ajax."

            Is basically a threat of nuke for continued posting on the topic, it seems to me

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              February 15, 2010 4:42 PM

              I am now blaming Clay because if he didn't shut it all down we could have a special place to discuss this important issue.

              And Klerck wouldn't have killed himself.

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                February 15, 2010 6:20 PM

                There is a little part of me that seriously wonders about that last part :(

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              February 15, 2010 4:45 PM

              He was talking about efforts to get the site blacklisted, he wasn't saying it about discussing malware.

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              February 15, 2010 4:45 PM

              "the topic" in this case was a Google form for reporting Shacknews as a malicious website, which could get it blacklisted from search results

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              February 15, 2010 4:46 PM

              You LEFT OUT the part where what he was referring to was *not* malware discussion or adblock discussion, but efforts to get this site blacklisted by google, which is in no ones' best interest.

              *I* nuked that post by the way. Chew me out for that if you want, I don't care about getting chewed out, I've been married.

              But please don't accuse geedeck of crimes he has not committed.

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                February 15, 2010 4:48 PM

                ah, ok.

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                  February 15, 2010 4:48 PM

                  Dude I was using caps! Don't give up so easy!

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                    February 15, 2010 4:49 PM

                    I was intimidated

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                      February 15, 2010 4:50 PM

                      and you said please

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                      February 15, 2010 4:50 PM

                      I'm thin dude. Except for my humps my humps, my lovely lady lumps.

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                    February 15, 2010 4:50 PM

                    it was obviously a subliminal message... LEFT OUT.... you want latestchatty all to yourself and your Sarah Palin friends!!!

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                February 15, 2010 4:48 PM

                Does my post asking where ECO was and the contract expiring in October also nuke worthy?

                I just don't want to mention ECO in the future if I can get banned.

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                  February 15, 2010 4:55 PM

                  I don't know, I didn't nuke it and search isn't working to let me find it :(

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                    February 15, 2010 4:57 PM

                    ITS AN ELABORATE CONSPIracy!? Don't worry about it and thanks for taking the time.

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                      February 15, 2010 6:01 PM

                      Found it, it wasn't nuked! It was in a subthread that I nuked.

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        February 15, 2010 5:00 PM

        So, will you get the advertisers that the shack uses to pay us for the due diligence that they should be doing?

        Bottom line is - they should be seeking advertisers that are more proactive about this shit. I got a VirusSoft scare-ware infection from this site and chose not to say anything - but the attitude expressed in this post made me speak up.

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          February 15, 2010 5:01 PM

          How about you get paid what geedeck gets paid for interfacing with you, trying to contain the over dramatic panic, and actually facilitate a solution?

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            February 15, 2010 5:22 PM

            He just said he's actually been infected by something and that's "over dramatic panic"?

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              February 15, 2010 5:32 PM

              You're jumping to unfortunate conclusions.

              "What there won't be is rabble rousing of "lets get the shack blacklisted" or similiar shennanigans. I'll just say that's the opposite of useful and I'm done with it.. If you disagree, great, but that's not a discussion for shacknews. If you really have to get it out of your system, you can message me directly. If you have questions about nukes, then message that moderator or a head moderator such as myself, Helvetica or Ajax."

              That's the over-dramatic part I'm referring to.

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            February 15, 2010 5:54 PM

            I volunteer to post here - not facilitate these morons, self included. I have much more scruples than to take that on :P

            I wasn't attacking geedeck - I was just pointing out what the request ultimately is asking. I feel for you, geedeck, and other mods that have to stave this ridiculousness off. But, hey, I didn't volunteer for that. I just want to post on a board without having my nightly hijack this or mbam log surprise me.

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          February 15, 2010 5:13 PM

          He was suggesting ways that people could help out, not you into unpaid service. I'm not sure what the "attitude" is that your objecting to?

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            February 15, 2010 5:45 PM

            Shack gets advertiser rates based on our views. Why should I do the work for the people that pay them?

            I'm not going to stop coming here (it's inconvenient but I can clean up the kruft that the shack has bled onto me), and this is the first time I've jumped on this bandwagon - the reason I did is it seems silly to expect us to do the QA that the shack should be doing by finding good advertisers or that the advertisers should be doing by screening their uploads.

            geedeck states that it hasn't been a virus storm the last three months - my question is then - why have the last three months been plagued by threads like the OP? The attitude I speak of is the 'keep it private' nature geedeck's post suggests. I can understand nuking the link to google's reporting site (I don't know if that was nuked - this is a long thread) but I can understand the idea behind suggesting that - it forces action.

            I have worked for a very shady datacenter before in which the owners would allow people to perform nefarious acts until way more than a class C was banned (sometimes our full ASN) - and it got to a point in my battle with ownership to clean up the place where I would begin to make reports anonymously to spamhaus, backbone providers, ARIN, etc so that the problematic/illegal client/we'd get banned quicker and I could clean up our network. I hope that type of mentality isn't necessary here - but I understand the spirit of posting the google report link.

            We just want to see action. Continuing to see malware ads makes us doubt that action is being taken. I actually think that the owners being transparent with their conversations with advertisers here would make many much more at ease. Obviously greg-m just stating 'we are on it' is not doing it for the masses.

            I have winchatty and stonedonkey and some other api's I'm sure I could use if I really thought it was going to be that bad, but I did want to make a point - this shit is b-a-n-a-n-a-s

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              February 15, 2010 5:56 PM

              You dont gave to do a goddamn thing, anhero! Some people like to help out, others don't. It's all good.

              As for "keep it private", he was talking about efforts to get the site blacklisted, he wasn't saying it about discussing malware. You can discuss the malware issue until SpaecKow enjoys fun video games, for all we care!

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                February 15, 2010 6:01 PM

                heh. tis true - I personally have no problem helping myself - nor did I think/realize I was being particularly admonishing - simply stating the expectation of having the community policing ads is like asking for a crime lead from a girl wearing a "don't snitch" shirt in st. louis. They'll just sew their mouth shut but still find a way to spit in your face.

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      February 15, 2010 4:40 PM

      These threads are like every single WoW forum thread relating to patches and server maintenance. FUCK YOU FOR INCONVENIENCING ME, I COULD DO THIS BETTER THAN YOU, YOU ARE ALL IDIOTS!

      lol =(

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        February 15, 2010 4:41 PM

        this is really nothing like that at all

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        February 15, 2010 5:05 PM

        lol - when encyclopediadramatica has less malware attempts on my browser than shack, no. no it is not.

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      February 15, 2010 4:49 PM

      http://noscript.net/

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      February 15, 2010 5:23 PM

      Viruses are a serious business nowadays. This aint like in 1997 where a Trojan would just go and wipe out your docs and mp3s. Trojans are used to steal private infos and THIS is VERY FUCKING PROBLEMATIC.

      A lot of shackers are posting from works, which is already questionable, but having to risk a trojan infection (And dont worry, 0day infections will bypass a lot of shit), is UNACCEPTABLE.

      FIX YOUR STUFF, SHACKGODS

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        February 15, 2010 5:28 PM

        scener are you an IT PROFESSIONAL?

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          February 15, 2010 5:58 PM

          YES - I AM PROFESSIONAL IN THE IT BUSINESS!!!

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      February 15, 2010 6:19 PM

      Honestly, I agree with the calls for a different ad source. Ad bad as IGN's McGriddles AD was it didn't give either their paying subscribers or members of their community any virus's.

      Having a single person going through what must be a massive amount of ads trying to find a small amount of bad ones is an idiotic way of fixing the problem, I do appreciate his effort however.

      This name calling and squabbling isn't getting us anywhere, and neither is the mods defending an approach that so far hasn't fixed the problem.

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      February 16, 2010 11:31 AM

      Shack, we are looking into the claims. We are not seeing this behavior across our network of sites so we are not sure if is the actual cause are bad ads or something related specifically to Shack . We will continue to look into this matter. Any assistance you can provide is helpful. If you have any information that will help identify the problems, please Shack message greg-m or me. Thanks.

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