Bungie Locks Players Without Expansion Out of Destiny 2 Endgame Activities

Not only will you be missing out on new content introduced in Curse of Osiris, some of the things you had in the base game are no longer within reach.

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Curse of Osiris is upon us as Bungie ups the ante with the latest expansion for their connected shooter Destiny 2. As expected, the developer has raised the level and power level caps for players as Guardians fight to gain new weapons and gear. Unfortunately, the developers have raised the required levels for high-level activities, which locks out players that haven't purchased the expansion.

Kotaku reports that the introduction of Curse of Osiris comes with the raised requirements for the Prestige version of the raid and Nightfall Strike. Originally, they carried a minimum of 300. Now, you must be 330. The problem is, without Curse of Osiris, you're capped at 305 (with mods). The Heroic Strike playlist isn't locked because of power level, but is locked nonetheless.

The original Destiny had similarly egregious practices when it came to expansions, but this shows that Bungie has committed to the format despite the concerns raised before. Locking off entirely new content in an expansion makes perfect sense, but putting old content behind a gate is questionable. With major devs in the industry under a microscope already, the game may not get a pass as easily as it did before. What say you all? Hit Chatty and let us know your thoughts. Our Destiny 2 Complete Strategy Guide is available for all planning to stick around!

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From The Chatty

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    December 6, 2017 2:40 PM

    Charles Singletary posted a new article, Bungie Locks Players Without Expansion Out of Endgame Activities

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      December 6, 2017 2:55 PM

      Ew

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        December 6, 2017 3:07 PM

        Seconded. Why didn't they just add another tier instead of locking people out?

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      December 6, 2017 3:21 PM

      Wow, why would they lock you out of content you already (technically) paid for?

      Unless I'm missing something, and coming from other games with similar progression like WoW, this sounds extremely shitty.

      I almost bought into this during the black friday sale but seeing all the XP throttling debacle and an expansion on the way I'm glad I reconsidered it.

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      December 6, 2017 3:29 PM

      I'm confused. Are owners of vanilla Destiny 2 no longer able to complete the raid?

      The first two paragraphs of this article read as perfectly reasonable ways to gate content behind a pay wall.

      • Zek
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        December 6, 2017 4:42 PM

        As I understand it the raid and Nightfall Strike the article mentions are vanilla content. They had a hard mode version which used to be playable by level capped players in vanilla, now they are only playable by level cap players with the expansion. It's like if Blizzard scaled every dungeon to the new level cap every time an expansion hit, and got rid of the old versions.

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          December 6, 2017 6:19 PM

          But if you own vanilla only, you can still do 100% of the raid's content, right? Like, this "prestige" mode you mention is only a harder difficulty level with bigger numbers, right?

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            December 6, 2017 6:28 PM

            The prestige raids have bigger numbers but also more and different mechanics for the boss fights and also different (cosmetic) rewards.

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              December 6, 2017 6:35 PM

              Ehhh, I'm with ovrlrd on this one. Storm in a teacup. If the "prestige" mode of the raid is literally just bigger numbers and slight changes, and that's AFTER you've already played all the content that the raid has to offer, then it's no big deal.

              What content is in the DLC? Is it just side-content to the existing raid? How much does the DLC cost?

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                December 6, 2017 6:57 PM

                The DLC is 20 if you buy just it, or 30 for season pass for it and a 2nd DLC.

                This DLC includes

                Higher levels to gain
                New crucible maps
                2 new strikes
                New campaign
                New social space
                New weapons and armor
                New Raid Lair - This is an all new encounter to the raid location that has new content, new encounters and new bosses it just starts in the same place as the current raid

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                  December 6, 2017 9:59 PM

                  Is the new campaign on a new planet? How many missions are in the new campaign? Are there new enemies or new bosses?

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                    December 6, 2017 11:43 PM

                    Yes new planet, like 6-8 missions and yes a brand new boss for the campaign. The new social space is on the new planet also.

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                      December 7, 2017 6:24 AM

                      Mmk. Well I guess that's an appropriate amount of content for $20 DLC.

                      I think people need to stop playing vanilla Destiny 2 after they beat the raid. Getting indignant over this issue is like getting indignant over having your cereal bowl taken away when there's only milk left in it. You already ate the cereal!

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                        December 7, 2017 9:25 AM

                        Yeah but if someone comes into my house and takes a cerial bowl I bought I'm not gonna be very happy about it tbh.

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      December 6, 2017 3:44 PM

      they did the same thing with Destiny 1; was only slightly a big deal at the time. they’re only locked out of the hard mode content, which was updated for the new expansion to provide new rewards included in that expansion.

      but yes they’ve also been locked out of all hard mode content and rewards they previously had access to. it is kind of bullshit. they should create a vanilla hard mode.

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        December 6, 2017 3:52 PM

        ...they’ve also been locked out of all hard mode content and rewards they previously had access to.

        Wait, does that mean that that specific gear that they already have in their inventory and stash was upgraded after the DLC patch to an iLvl that they cant equip anymore or you mean the ability to earn those rewards?

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          December 6, 2017 3:54 PM

          ability to earn the rewards, you are not locked out of any gear you had earned.

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          December 6, 2017 4:58 PM

          ^^^ what sigpro said.

          I actually need to correct myself on my previous comment a bit, I think. in the previous games the raids were only fully updated for higher levels at the end of its run, after years of the community asking for it. I’m foggy on if they raised the hard mode light level each time.

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      December 6, 2017 3:44 PM

      How to segregate your player user base 101. Holding players hostage from content will drive them away faster than you can fucking blink.

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      December 6, 2017 3:45 PM

      Isn't that also lock the platinum trophy?

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      December 6, 2017 3:51 PM

      I'm sad I bought this game.

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        December 6, 2017 6:50 PM

        Ditto, though mostly because for $60 there just isn't that much there in the vanilla game, and I'm sure as fuck not going to pay $20-34 more for more content that should've been in vanilla.

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          December 6, 2017 6:58 PM

          None of this content "should" have been in the base game, people need to stop acting like it should have been.

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            December 6, 2017 7:00 PM

            Yes, people that pay for the game and are unhappy with it should not have an opinion. Screw those ungrateful assholes.

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              December 6, 2017 7:02 PM

              Considering this content that it adds are new maps for crucible and new raid area, new strikes, new campaign that doesn't have anything to do with the base game no I don't think any of this content was cut from the main game or should have been in it.

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      December 6, 2017 3:51 PM

      Things like this are why I viewed it as an $80 game instead of a $60 game.

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        December 6, 2017 4:13 PM

        I bought the Destiny Collection for $20 this year so I'm thinking I'll do the same for this.

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        December 6, 2017 5:29 PM

        I wish they would just charge way more for the base game or make it a sub model and not fuck the game over in the name of the micro transaction/DLC model.

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          December 6, 2017 5:47 PM

          They did though. It was $80 and you got everything up until next year.

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      December 6, 2017 4:19 PM

      Shit game gets shit roadmap, who knew?

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      December 6, 2017 4:23 PM

      Wow, this article totally misses the part where doing the Prestige activities are pointless when you are max level anyway. You could argue that you are missing out on some cosmetic shit in the Raid that you should be able to get, but the consensus is that it is useless and getting a team together for any Prestige has basically been impossible because nobody wants to do it.

      So basically as usual with anything related to Destiny, lets all jump on the latest bandwagon the community wants to cry about.

      Everyone is free to bitch about whatever they want, but I also am free to call this shit storm out for what it is, a complete non-starter.

      Destiny has always been about playing with your friends, and whenever a new expansion comes out, if you want to play with your friends who bought it, you gotta pay up, or you just move on. This model is not news, it is par for the course.

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        December 6, 2017 4:54 PM

        Sorry that you seem personally attacked.

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          December 6, 2017 5:12 PM

          It isn't the article itself that is the problem, it is news and that is just the way things are. For some people they actually do need to know this is how this game works, and that Bungie is continuing their stance on using DLC in place of a subscription model.

          So the problem I have is more about the way that controversy spreads when it comes to gaming (and in general) that seems to pretty much wearing on me these days. I generally don't have a problem with calling out game devs for not doing better, but it has gotten pretty out of hand lately. Gaming communities are just so damn hostile towards devs these days. But if I am honest, that has been a trend for a long time, it just seems to spread so quickly these days.

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            December 6, 2017 5:24 PM

            Some things are overdone, I can agree there, but I personally would hope for more people to be vocal so they aren't taken advantage of. Something in gaming needs to change so that the rising cost of development is offset in less egregious ways, but we'll sadly have to continue having conversations like recent ones until it happens.

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            December 6, 2017 5:33 PM

            I checked out /r/destinythegame after I picked up the game on sale. I never played the first past the first few missions and thought I'd look for some tips there.

            Fuck that, what a toxic goddamned place. I can't imagine getting that angry about a game.

            I've just been playing at my own pace. I read Wadmassi's Destiny threads everyday. I'm up to about 250 now. Still having fun!

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        December 6, 2017 6:21 PM

        Answer me this.

        I bought the game but never did the raid. Will I be able to do every bit of the current content after the expansion ships?

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          December 6, 2017 6:54 PM

          The expansion already shipped, and you can still do the normal mode difficulty of the raid. You won't be able to do the weekly Nightfall milestone, The prestige mode (hard mode) of the raid, or play Trials of the Nine.

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        December 7, 2017 3:54 AM

        Not in Payday 2. There only the host need to have the DLC.

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        December 7, 2017 5:30 AM

        if it's useless why lock it behind DLC?

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          December 7, 2017 7:02 AM

          Based on the power differential you would get one- or two-shot by the lowest level enemies in the game making it impossible to complete the 330 Prestige activities. It's arguably less confusing to limit access to activities based on owning the expansion than trying to explain to players how power levels work. Think of the nonsense requirements iOS apps had in the past to be sure that the hardware was new/powerful enough to run newer apps.

    • Zek
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      December 6, 2017 4:40 PM

      Bungie seems really committed to fucking this up with controversy after controversy. The game had so much hype for the first week or two of its release and now that all seems to have evaporated completely.

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      December 6, 2017 5:21 PM

      LOL Bungie more like Bunghole

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      December 6, 2017 5:50 PM

      What a quality, worthwhile video game.

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      December 6, 2017 6:12 PM

      I can't even get a refund for this game because its been too long. I'm not going to pay an additional fee to play content i should already have access to, this is bullshit.

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      December 6, 2017 7:10 PM

      Not cool

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      December 6, 2017 9:35 PM

      I'm having a very hard time getting all riled up about this. If you've spent any time at all in Destiny in the last 4 years then you know you have to keep buying expansions to keep up. Yes I realize you could do these things on Monday. I'm still not mad.

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        December 7, 2017 12:56 AM

        "then you know you have to keep buying expansions to keep up" Is I think the actual issue.

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      December 6, 2017 11:17 PM

      How can a game developer put out games like Halo 1-3 and then start regressing 15 years later. Is it all activision?

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      December 7, 2017 1:13 AM

      So basically you can only continue to play endgame content for vanilla if you buy the DLC?

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      December 7, 2017 6:39 AM

      Glad I passed on this game. ShackHype almost got me.

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      December 7, 2017 7:16 AM

      I haven't played any Destiny 1 or 2, but how is this different than WoW? You need to buy expansions to move along

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      December 7, 2017 7:31 AM

      Glad I didn't fall for Destiny 2 after buying Destiny 1 shenanigans.

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      December 7, 2017 8:04 AM

      So sad what happened with Bungie. They are responsible for getting MP gaming to where it is on consoles in my opinion. They ended up hating MS, saying fuck you to all their fans and here we are where I won't buy their games anymore.

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        December 7, 2017 8:10 AM

        Honestly I think their Activision contract + headcount expansion has been the most detrimental. Can't take risks anymore or explore writing that's interesting. Remember the writing in Myth: The Fallen Lords? Way too niche and considered for their audience today.