Weekend Discussion: iPad Easter Candy Time

This weekend, some will be celebrating the arrival of the iPad. Some will be celebrating the life and death of their chosen Lord and Savior. Others will be celebrating candy.

Whatever your preference, do have yourself a nice weekend. We'll see you Monday.

From The Chatty
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    April 3, 2010 8:46 AM

    I want an iPad :(

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      April 3, 2010 8:47 AM

      :(

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      April 3, 2010 8:47 AM

      are you iMenstruating?

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        April 3, 2010 8:48 AM

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        April 3, 2010 8:50 AM

        Cory Doctorow gets more embarrassingly awful by the day.

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          April 3, 2010 1:39 PM

          I know. It's a little sad, considering how good his last book was.

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        April 3, 2010 8:51 AM

        are you posting that ironically because that article is fucking awful

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        April 3, 2010 8:53 AM

        That article is beyond retarded.

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        April 3, 2010 9:01 AM

        "I’m glad the Apple ][+ came with schematics for the circuit boards. I’m glad it encouraged a generation of kids to tinker and explore. I’m also glad that I don’t live in the fucking ’70s and have to type in programs from a magazine anymore."
        http://m.gizmodo.com/site?sid=gizmodoip&pid=JuicerHub&targetUrl=http://gizmodo.com/5508286/cory-doctorow-you-are-a-consumer-too%3Fop%3Dpost%26refId%3D5508286

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        April 3, 2010 9:01 AM

        damn, boing boing sometimes allow some really, really stupid articles to appear on their site

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          April 3, 2010 6:11 PM

          Now THIS is a really really shitty article in response to a slightly less shitty one.

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        April 3, 2010 9:07 AM

        I want Diablo 3. :(

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        April 3, 2010 9:16 AM

        I liked that article, and I know that this is the internet but I'd like to encourage people to point out what they don't like about the article instead of just saying "that's awful!"

        The ipod is a sweet piece of hardware (his article isnt about hardware),
        and the control apple has over software on its' system allows for a uniformly good quality experience. I mean customizing and adding programs to windows is lots of fun, but eventually you have to format and restart because too many things don't play well together.

        But apple is definitely on the bad guy side of DRM issues, openness and allowing users to do what they want with what they buy, not to mention they are the model for nickle and diming.

        I won't get an ipad, but it's just mostly because I don't need one.

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          April 3, 2010 9:25 PM

          I agree with you. I liked the article. I think people are piling on with the "awful article" comments because it actually hits a nerve as they are the consumer being discussed.

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        April 3, 2010 9:22 AM

        counter-argument: http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/kids_are_all_right

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          April 3, 2010 10:22 AM

          That post makes a good point. Apple's pioneering and nurturing of the app store has flattened hierarchies of software development. 13-year-old kids like the one mentioned in the link have the tools and, most crucially, a distribution channel to compete with big developers. What they've lost in tinkering, they've gained in being able to compete.

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            April 3, 2010 10:23 AM

            yeah, and yet there's a whole other scene doing tinkering too, although not allowed by the manufacturer of course

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            April 3, 2010 12:50 PM

            There's nothing in that which requires a locked-down platform where all things that are even remotely competitive with apple products are locked out.

            Having a market place is great, but having an open platform *and* a market place is better.

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            April 3, 2010 9:29 PM

            Right, because until Apple came along, only giant companies with big budgets ever produced and distributed software. Oops, wait, that's totally fucking wrong...

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          April 3, 2010 11:09 AM

          ^^^ this! creativity and entrepreneurialism are alive on the iPad, they're just not the old sources of it

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            April 3, 2010 4:00 PM

            They're just forced into channels that will make apple money :P Even if the apps are free, quality apps will encourage purchases.
            The article seems to impose that the iPad couldn't have open specs AND allow people to write apps for it.
            Granted, with the microscopic size of fabrication now days, hardware tinkering would be pretty minimal compared to an old Apple ][, but if people want to alter their device (like put in a higher capacity battery), just make sure they know it voids warranties.
            I see both sides of the argument, but I dunno which side I'm on.

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        April 3, 2010 2:35 PM

        I'm with you eskimo. But you are not going to get anywhere with these children. They are hyped up on sugar and have lost the ability to reason.

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      April 3, 2010 8:47 AM

      so after all the people saying it would bomb, its actually selling out? or they just didnt make very many? whats going on

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        April 3, 2010 8:50 AM

        Well I know that the tech stores like Best Buy and FYE only got like 15 units each so selling out there really isn't a big deal. I'm curious how many units the Apple stores got.

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        April 3, 2010 9:18 AM

        That sure sounds like a straw man. People were saying it would immediately bomb at release? Who? I don't think I heard that at all. There are plenty of people who think it's a dumb limited device, (I'm partially in that camp) but I can't think of one time I read a person literally saying there wouldn't be long lines on release day of an Apple product.

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          April 3, 2010 9:21 AM

          Paging abrasion

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            April 3, 2010 11:34 AM

            I looked up what I assume is the relevant thread, and he said nothing anywhere close to people not getting hyped up and lining up for a shiny new Apple product.

            He definitely called it as a long-term flop though. Seems to me that will be hard to measure though, and if anything the appearance at least will be against him for three reasons. First, a LOT of people are going to buy them right away, and we all know this. Even if he thinks it's just hype, I'm sure abrasion knows the first several shipments will sell out instantly. Second, once people buy them they WILL keep using them. Some might gather dust, maybe like so many Wiis gather dust, but once a bunch get out there, there will inevitably be an active user base. Then third and most important: the iPhone exists. Even if the iPad sales slow down a lot, there will always be a huge and growing level of app support because the iPhone is tied to the same store.

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              April 3, 2010 3:22 PM

              Correct - obviously day 1 hype sales will occur and people who genuinely want it - but overall this product, in my opinion will be something in 6 months people go 'oh I never use it anymore :( ' like so many other things we see in a shackthread.

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        April 3, 2010 9:52 AM

        Every Apple product will sell out in the first run regardless.

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          April 3, 2010 10:02 AM

          I think like the iPhone they're gonna come out with the iteration that is most ideal and better priced in short order.

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        April 3, 2010 2:28 PM

        I don't think anyone thought it would bomb. People just object to the direction that the iPad is trying to steer towards.

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      April 3, 2010 8:47 AM

      It's gonna take me a while to fight off the urge. I want to wait for the 2nd gen, but I am weak when it comes to new toys :(

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        April 3, 2010 8:50 AM

        me too, maulla. i keep telling myself i'm going to wait, but i'll probably own one by the end of the month.

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        April 3, 2010 8:51 AM

        That's my issue too. And besides, I have a specific use for it around the house rather then my laptop.

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          April 3, 2010 8:56 AM

          same. My wife hardly uses her desktop any more, I would love to ditch it and have more room for my PC in the office.

          Get an iPad to basically sit on our coffee table for browsing and such, and she can use my desktop for when she rarely does some word processing. I think she has visited a grand total of 10 websites in the past year that werent google or facebook

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        April 3, 2010 8:51 AM

        I'm bankrupt so at least for me it's really easy to avoid buying it

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        April 3, 2010 8:55 AM

        as far as im concerned, its a new gaming handheld so i must have it

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        April 3, 2010 8:53 AM

        You can do the home button + power button to get screencaps from the iPad but I can't get them off the iPad :(

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          April 3, 2010 8:57 AM

          ah I just emailed it to myself. No sleep in 30 hours :(

          http://www.easyscreens.info/?v=5268

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          April 3, 2010 8:58 AM

          Lol, leave it to apple to put two buttons on a device--neither of which you would normally want to hit in the middle of a game--and make you hit them BOTH to do something you normally WOULD want to do in a game.

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        April 3, 2010 9:14 AM

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      April 3, 2010 8:53 AM

      Line at the Apple store in Louisville, KY is long. Wonder if they'll have any left :|

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        April 3, 2010 9:52 AM

        Woo line is reasonable now.

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      April 3, 2010 8:53 AM

      I want to win the lottery :(

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      April 3, 2010 8:53 AM

      First post from mine :D

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        April 3, 2010 9:21 AM

        I'm still waiting on mine. :'(

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      April 3, 2010 8:54 AM

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      April 3, 2010 9:00 AM

      I want an ice cream

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        April 3, 2010 9:01 AM

        Good idea...going for an ice cream might deter me from going to best buy...

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      April 3, 2010 9:02 AM

      anyone else waiting for the asus net-tablet?

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        April 3, 2010 11:00 AM

        lol guess not.

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        April 3, 2010 11:38 AM

        I could see myself getting something like that one day, assuming you mean a full-keyboarded netbook with a swivel touch screen that can face outward while closed. I don't think it will be any time soon though.

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      April 3, 2010 9:08 AM

      I just got one. It was worth every penny. It's a lot more than just a huge iPhone.

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      April 3, 2010 9:09 AM

      So sounds like Goto10 and PH ended up waiting in line and snagged one? How long did you wait?

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        April 3, 2010 9:10 AM

        I walked into BestBuy at 10 sharp with no line outside, 2 people inside waiting and picked one up. They got in about 20 per model. They also have $30 iTunes cards for $25 so I grabbed that also.

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        April 3, 2010 9:14 AM

        I didn't have to wait in line. I was there at 6:30 though until 10am when the store opened :(

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        April 3, 2010 5:10 PM

        I ended up walking in and getting one around noon.

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      April 3, 2010 9:15 AM

      I just called my Best Buy and they have plenty in stock still. This is killing me, I need to find something to do quick.

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        April 3, 2010 9:15 AM

        sign up for BB credit card then you dont have to worry about it..

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        April 3, 2010 9:16 AM

        Uggh, Best Buy is 2 miles away.....must resist...I can afford one now, but things would be tight for a week.

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          April 3, 2010 9:19 AM

          I was thinking maybe just maybe the 16GB one would be okay but that doesn't seem like it would be enough room. Now that I have to get the 64GB on it pushes the price to retarded levels. We need a support group or something.

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            April 3, 2010 9:24 AM

            Space for what? What are you going to put on there other then apps?

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              April 3, 2010 9:25 AM

              Fuck I dunno, but it seems like you lose 5 GB right away to the OS.

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              April 3, 2010 9:27 AM

              music, videos, photos

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                April 3, 2010 9:27 AM

                Photos, ok. Videos? Maybe. Music? Why?

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                  April 3, 2010 9:32 AM

                  that's funny, from all those things I mentioned if I eventually get one iPad what I would put on it the most would be music, I love music, and if I'm in the couch with this thing browsing the net I will more than likely be listening to my music with the iPod app running in the background

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                    April 3, 2010 9:34 AM

                    Ah I guess I can see that. I know I won't be using mine for listening to music, so I didn't really consider it an issue.

                    But yeah, you are right. If your going to put music, and any HD videos on it, 16GB might bit a bit..limiting.

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                      April 3, 2010 9:37 AM

                      it seems though you lose 5GB on the 64GB version to the OS, so I'm assuming you only get 11GB which makes it worse.

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                        April 3, 2010 9:38 AM

                        I don't know if that is the case. We will have to see though =(

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                      April 3, 2010 10:52 AM

                      I never had much of an issue with 8G on my iPhone for music. I think on the iPad though you might want a lot more space because it's going to be a better video watching device.

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                    April 3, 2010 9:37 AM

                    I'd say in your case you have a very valid reason to get a higher capacity version. When I'm at home I'll just be playing music from my desktop using the Apple Remote. I live in a big studio apartment though so I realize not everyone can do that.

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                      April 3, 2010 9:38 AM

                      if I ever get to afford one, it might be the 32GB version

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                    April 3, 2010 1:16 PM

                    Maybe if you must buy your music and store it locally. Ever since I got my first smartphone, and along with that the unlimited 3G internet, I've never copied audio files to the thing except for ringtones. It's free to stream stuff, and I hear new stuff every day.

                    With the iPad it might not be quite the same, but there are supposed to be the 3G versions and stuff.

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            April 3, 2010 9:28 AM

            See, I'm still getting a 16GB. I'm not going to be using it as a music player much ( I have my iPhone for that anyway) and for video I plan on using apps like Air Video to stream them. This leaves apps, comics and books. I'm not much of a comics guy so that's not gonna be an issue. Books, I don't expect will take much place either. So that leaves almost the full 16GB for apps and I'm betting it will be enough. I mean, on my iPhone I have less than 2GB of apps and I do have a lot of apps.

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              April 3, 2010 9:32 AM

              one thing to consider is size of apps due to the higher resolution. that said, 16-32GB should be quite enough for more people, I would wager.

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        April 3, 2010 9:23 AM

        MY BEST BUY

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      April 3, 2010 9:23 AM

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        April 3, 2010 9:25 AM

        This has been answered like 50 bazillion times. Stop trolling.

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        April 3, 2010 9:26 AM

        I keep picturing people with ipad in hand, iphone on desk, sitting in front of the computer

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          April 3, 2010 9:27 AM

          Yeah, no one ever wants to browse the web from the couch without a clunky laptop burning their lap.

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            April 3, 2010 9:31 AM

            JOHNNYREY, PROTECTOR OF THE IPAD UNIVERSE

            Seriously, no one needs you to sit here all day and protect the fucking thing. Go find something to do with your life.

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              April 3, 2010 9:32 AM

              I'm not protecting anything, just kind of sick of the out of control trolling thats going on here lately.

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                April 3, 2010 9:40 AM

                oh please....

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                April 3, 2010 9:43 AM

                yeah, hows that going?

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                  April 3, 2010 9:44 AM

                  It seems that I am becoming the very thing I've sought to destroy

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                April 3, 2010 1:01 PM

                "out of control trolling" is people saying they don't want an ipad?

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                April 3, 2010 3:29 PM

                You're contributing like 62.8% of that trolling single handedly.

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                  April 4, 2010 7:36 AM

                  It is interesting how the word "troll" is so frequently transformed to mean pretty much whatever the user wants it to mean. It is almost as if one can be called a troll just for "posting about stuff I don't want to hear about". Especially here.

                  From wikipedia:

                  In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional respons1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[2]

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              April 3, 2010 9:33 AM

              yet you are here replying to his posts

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                April 3, 2010 9:35 AM

                I posted a single response FrayLo. No need to sit here and protect JohnnyRey all day.

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                  April 3, 2010 9:37 AM

                  Seriously, no one needs you to sit here all day and troll me. Go find something to do with your life.

                  Wierd how that just works!

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              April 3, 2010 9:33 AM

              the same would apply to you, no need to attack anyone who wants to discuss about it

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            April 3, 2010 9:32 AM

            what? so you needlessly spend hundreds of dollars because you're too stupid to put your laptop on your coffee table or you can't figure out how to connect your PC to your TV?

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              April 3, 2010 9:35 AM

              lol...yes, spending money that way I want to is stupid! I must just be the stupidest person on earth! Long live North Korea!

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              April 3, 2010 9:45 AM

              Wow.. What is going on here? Could you guys be more insulting?

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              April 3, 2010 9:46 AM

              Damn, you be hatin'.

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              April 3, 2010 9:51 AM

              HOW DARE YOU BUY AN IPAD

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              April 3, 2010 9:52 AM

              haha you sound poor

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                April 3, 2010 10:25 AM

                lol. This is probably the best reply this morning.

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              April 3, 2010 9:53 AM

              i once bought a minidisc player for $700

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                April 3, 2010 9:58 AM

                i'm still trying to convert all my betamax tapes to laserdisc

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              April 3, 2010 10:06 AM

              I don't get why people point to laptops as what people should be using. They may be what we're used to, but laptops are pretty shitty in the role the iPad is meant to fill. They were never intended to be an all-purpose device that follows you round the house, and the form factor is really poor for that purpose.

              Yes there is pretty much nothing you can do on an iPad that you can't do on a laptop, but that doesn't mean the iPad can't be better at it. Reading recipes in the kitchen, loading up guitar tabs, reading comic books, reading newspapers with my breakfast - these are the kind of things I think an iPad will be awesome for.

              You can do all of them on a laptop but they're not what laptops were ever designed for and not what the form factor is suited to at all.

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                April 4, 2010 8:44 AM

                yeah but tablets have been around forever and people weren't jizzing over them :-/

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              April 4, 2010 11:39 AM

              Get a job

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            April 3, 2010 10:34 AM

            I'm on my laptop right now and OMG MY LEGS ARE ON FIRE!!

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              April 3, 2010 10:38 AM

              Why would anyone use a laptop on their...lap...wait a second!

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            April 3, 2010 11:42 AM

            Seems you could do it in the same form factor, but have a more full-featured experience (flash, any browser, keyboard to type your emails and posts, etc), if you had a tablet-folding swivel-screen netbook. I don't know if those things are out yet or not though, I'm not really shopping for any of that.

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              April 3, 2010 12:28 PM

              I think Asus or Acer is making one, but it looks to be poorly cobbled together. I guess it remains to be seen. I think most of the iPad hype is due to novelty... new OS, new apps, new ecosystem. Another windows device is just another windows device. Incredibly useful but nothing new. Sure everything works, but then there is nothing to wish wasnt broken

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                April 3, 2010 12:47 PM

                You really think it's the OS? Maybe but I wouldn't have guessed so. Then again I'd be much more hyped up about it if it just ran OSX, even with the same style GUI in front. But I guess having the existing app store is a big draw and I don't know if they'd do that on OSX.

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            April 3, 2010 12:26 PM

            You know, multiple companies, including Apple (I think?) make laptops that are perfectly cool on the bottom. Almost all of the ULV and SU processor powered ones

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          April 3, 2010 9:33 AM

          that is me right now because i have to sync it with itunes :(

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        April 3, 2010 9:30 AM

        iPad != laptop, also, not everyone is so affected by eyestrain I for one read way too much stuff on LCDs and previously on CRTs for many hours.

        There is not anything similar like the iPad for the same price, the Joo Joo Pad is a 500 dollars web browser, the iPad does many things more and will continue to do so eventually because a lot of people are developing for it.

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        April 3, 2010 9:30 AM

        The ipad was never meant to replace a fully functioning laptop/computer.

        Its a mobile device that is convenient for surfing the web, and taking advantage of the app store. I want one to leave in my living room to surf the web while I'm watching tv. Or take with me on a trip to watch movies, and easy web/email access from a wifi hotspot.

        Are there plenty of other devices that can do the same stuff for the same or less money? Yup. are they as sleek and convenient with comparable battery life? No.

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        April 3, 2010 9:39 AM

        http://gizmodo.com/5508345/the-six-types-of-ipad-fans-and-critics

        I am most definitely the reluctant pragmatist.

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          April 3, 2010 9:41 AM

          That's me too. :(

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            April 3, 2010 9:43 AM

            Well except the not buying it version of him.

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          April 3, 2010 9:47 AM

          PC Nerd/Netbook fan :(

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          April 3, 2010 10:34 AM

          The open source fanatic is WAY too stylish and well groomed.

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            April 3, 2010 10:38 AM

            of course, it's Cory Doctorow

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          April 3, 2010 11:20 AM

          I thought I would be, but the description says he'd really like one. So I guess I'm PC Nerd. =(

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          April 3, 2010 12:49 PM

          Definitely Open Source Fanatic, Reluctant Pragmatist, and PC Nerd all rolled into one!

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          April 3, 2010 2:25 PM

          PC nerd and not even a netbook owner. I love my iphone, like my laptop, love my desktop, and I do not get the ipad.

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        April 3, 2010 9:54 AM

        I thought with the 3G version you only paid for what data you used?

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          April 3, 2010 9:56 AM

          You can do an option like that, or pay a regular fee for unlimited.

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          April 3, 2010 10:01 AM

          For AT&T it's $15 for 250mb of data, and $30 for unlimited.. when you hit the cap on the 250mb plan, it asks you if you want to upgrade it to unlimited (since the bill comes at the end of the month, you only pay $30, not $15+$30). I don't know if there is an option to say, "ignore the fact that I ran out of data" and get charged per megabyte.

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          April 3, 2010 11:10 AM

          I hope Apple gets the cell phone companies up here in Canada to do that too.

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        April 3, 2010 10:49 AM

        It's nothing like using a laptop.

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          April 3, 2010 11:10 AM

          In what way?

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            April 3, 2010 12:28 PM

            Tooling around on a laptop touchpad feels very disconnected in comparison, plus laptops/desktop operating systems have tons of fiddly bits that simply aren't needed for many content consumption activities.

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        April 3, 2010 4:23 PM

        I'll be getting one for (* = primary use):

        1. *web browsing. No Flash = less advertising crap. The sites I usually browse will have support for the iPad/tablets sooner than later, so as far as I'm concerned the iPad will be the best browser. I love Apple's mobile OSX for web. Works snappy and very well. Laying in bed, still in my pajamas, this honestly sounds like the ultimate Lazy Man web browser.

        2. *games. This will replace my Touch as my "lazy in bed" gaming nights. I think it's going to be awesome for games. I also love backgammon. This would be a great multi-board game machine. Great for travel.

        3. cooking. An easel/dock in my kitchen, some cookbook apps and tablet-optimized food sites and I'll be trying out new recipes easier than ever.

        4. *music. Depends on Logic Studio support, but I am already seeing apps for using the iPad as a second screen. That would be cool for plug-ins and Logic's mixer. If I could use it as an X/Y controller it would be a great addition to my virtual synths. We'll see what sort of notation software there is but if I can set an iPad on a stand and use it to make notes and write cheat sheets for my band, that would be lovely. I play bass/guitar. I'd definitely get a piano lesson app and start messing around with that when I'm on the go.

        5. movies. I don't have a huge tv so I'll probably watch my favorite tv shows on it. when I want to watch videos I'll just use the YouTube app.

        6. car. I'll be curious to see what sort of dyno apps are availabe for it. I'd get a mount for my WRX and use it for music and 0-60 times and other stuff.

        7. showing off photos/art/videos.

        8. *messing around. Back to being lazy in bed. I love browsing around the App Store and checking out new demos. I usually do that now and then before I fall asleep. Lots of random dorky apps to mess with.

        9. landscaping. Working on layouts with my boss could be very easy with the right app.
        9b. gardening. A cool gardening app would be handy.

        10. eReader? Maybe. I'll probably stick to buying real books. Maybe I'd get an eBook here or there just for fun.

        Comparing it to Kindle is a tough one. Most modern textbooks have color illustrations, I'd lean towards the iPad as being more useful. Especially as eTexts start offering more web links to articles/references, I'd prefer the sites I'm being linked to being displayed in color. As a textbook replacement in schools, I think color would be very important. (Check out Gizmodo's "iPad as eReader" review. Seemed like he preferred the iPad. Color and brightness = good)

        11. general crap. Checking email in bed/on the crapper. Notepad.

        *expensive? I'd get the cheapest one ~ wireless is fine for me, and I'll wait until rev. 2.

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      April 3, 2010 9:34 AM

      wonder what the oddds are of the new york flagship store selling out

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      April 3, 2010 9:40 AM

      I really have no justifiable reason to get one but I waaaaant... I'll wait till 2nd gen. Yes. Yes. Argh.

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        April 3, 2010 9:43 AM

        You never chill out on a bed or couch? I don't get why people say they have no reason for one, though I can understand that it is an expensive toy to do just that.

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          April 3, 2010 9:56 AM

          I already have a netbook... but this thing is just so sexy...

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          April 3, 2010 10:03 AM

          I have an iPhone and 3 laptops, I have a stupid amount of information access. And yeah, I agree there are times when the ipad is more ideal, but it's not a huge range given what I already have. Actually, I would love to make it a 2nd screen for my MacBook so there is that... But i literally bought that MacBook like a month or two ago and even I have to be mature about how many toys is enough... Hence the wait for the 2nd gen :) pacing!

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          April 3, 2010 10:06 AM

          The only thing missing from my point of view is a front facing camera.

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            April 3, 2010 10:13 AM

            After actually using the iPad for awhile I can't see this as being that useful. The biggest problem is that you have to prop it up for it to be useful, holding it up with your hands while you video conference would just get tiring quickly.

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          April 4, 2010 10:51 AM

          Both my bed and couch are 10 feet from my 46" tv with my pc connected to it. I've got a wireless keyboard with a trackball built in that's really good for browsing from either. I wish i had a need for a touchscreen device, but I can't find one yet.

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      April 3, 2010 9:44 AM

      UPS called me to make sure he had the address right and that I will be home. I will be Home.

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        April 3, 2010 9:46 AM

        Shame he'll be delivering to your lowercase home and not your uppercase Home.

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          April 3, 2010 10:09 AM

          What he means is that all is life he has been searching for somewhere he belongs, and something that will finally bring him peace.

          When he gets his iPad, he will finally, truly, be Home.

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        April 3, 2010 11:01 AM

        yous gonna get raped, son

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      April 3, 2010 9:52 AM

      I heard the first good reason to buy one last night. Can't say what it is yet though.

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      April 3, 2010 9:53 AM

      Here is a screenshot from Doom classic to show what the pixel doubling effect looks like:

      http://www.shackpics.com/files/Doomonipad_v3xuahefbrt7wk61jtud.jpg

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        April 3, 2010 10:03 AM

        I don't get it, is it supposed to improve it? That looks horrid.

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          April 3, 2010 10:04 AM

          It looks way better in motion, and it's not meant to "improve it" in a graphical sense, just that it will fill the screen better versus a tiny little window that you can't really play the game on.

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            April 3, 2010 10:05 AM

            Btw this is an iPhone game, otherwise it would just be at native resolution and look way better.

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        April 3, 2010 10:04 AM

        do any iPhone apps use vector graphics? how do those scale? or does that not matter?

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          April 3, 2010 10:05 AM

          That wouldn't be vector. Doom used 2D sprites.

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          April 3, 2010 10:05 AM

          It just uses a scaler technique. I think Apple didn't want to do any crazy methods because they wanted 100% compatibility.

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            April 3, 2010 10:15 AM

            looks like they don't know how to write a good scaler, there are so many methods out there that look a billion times better.

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              April 3, 2010 10:21 AM

              They are probably hoping that the apps looking bad doubled will cause people to convert them to iPad-native resolution.

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              April 3, 2010 10:38 AM

              I think games are acceptable, Doom might have certain artifacts but actually if you look close enough those same artifacts are present at iPhone resolution as well, it's just harder to see. For non-games though the scaler is kind of silly and makes text look blocky, etc.

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            April 3, 2010 11:06 AM

            that is the case. I posted before on this, if you coded your app correctly, querying the screen object for all of your placement, and if you were not using any custom bitmaps for drawing, then they could have just scaled everything up and provided more resolution.

            I wrote all my own gradient objects that can do a lot of interesting things... I can draw all the apple style buttons, and do a lot of shading, all using vector stuff where 99% of everyone else is using bitmaps. So my code in this regard would just adapt to a higher resolution by looking nicer.

            However, in my own apps, sometimes I just went fuck it and #define width 320.0 or something when I had to juggle a lot of math. Sometimes it is a real pain in the ass, because you're dealing with co-ordinate systems flipping X and Y when the phone rotates, and if you are working in some other animations, the axes can also invert their directions, so you get negative going where the positive used to go, X and Y in inverted positions, and you're drawing diagrams on a piece of paper, on top of all this you're supposed to query for your dimensions and it's not always going to be clear what you're going to get when you think you're querying for X.

            Probably the majority of apps resorted to that at some point and Apple tested out resolution changing to see what percentage of apps were failing to properly adapt to the system supplying them with a new resolution and it came out way too high to be acceptable. And so they just doubled pixels instead. I haven't checked but I also would not be surprised if now, soon or in the future they put some kind of flag that you can set in your app to allow you to publish that your app responds to resolution changes without breaking.

            With the implementation, sometimes it was just a lot of headache, you're under time constraints, you're probably going to see little or no return on it anyway and it was not clear that if you went through all of the recommended procedures that it would ever pan out as a benefit.

            What we see in this is that the guy who invested all the time to do it right got shafted by the guys who hard coded the results and got it done faster.

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          April 3, 2010 10:39 AM

          It's blown up after it renders, so no. So many iPhone apps are hard coded for the screen size there would have been no other way to support this.

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        April 3, 2010 10:21 AM

        Jesus that's horrid.

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          April 3, 2010 10:39 AM

          Maybe I should have just took screenshots from Plants vs Zombies HD, that game is gorgeous. The simple fact is that 3d iPhone games are really low resolution as it is, so of course they look just as low resolution on the iPad.

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            April 3, 2010 10:42 AM

            I just wouldn't bother. Of course I'm the type that doesn't understand iPad appeal. I'm sure once there are iPad versions of games, it'll be alright.

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              April 3, 2010 10:44 AM

              it'll be just like something that already is!

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            April 3, 2010 11:11 AM

            post pics! I'm interested in seeing it.

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        April 4, 2010 5:13 AM

        haha, sorry for my cynicism but I think it's pretty funny that a game from 1993 looks as bad as this on apple's new magical device

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      April 3, 2010 10:04 AM

      Haha the guy who does Diesel Sweeties had his mis-delivered to... Another person who ordered one, and they kept it! :( that's an iFoul

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        April 3, 2010 11:17 AM

        Geedeck what the hell is Diesel Sweeties? Sounds like a line of fancy dildos

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      April 3, 2010 10:10 AM

      I want an iPad from the future.

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        April 3, 2010 10:38 AM

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          April 3, 2010 11:03 AM

          3G is later this month.

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          April 3, 2010 11:32 AM

          multitasking is rumored to be in 4.0

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            April 3, 2010 11:39 AM

            I think 4.0 is going to be a major UI change

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              April 4, 2010 5:18 AM

              I'd love to think this way but it's hard since they worked very hard on iPad's UI and now they're going to change it dramatically?

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          April 3, 2010 2:26 PM

          Im an iPad hater but the second they have skype + 3g so I can walk around the grocery store, hit a button and video chat with my girl when I need to ask her a question it will be so damn cool. Then I will jump on my hoverboard and go home

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        April 3, 2010 10:54 AM

        I have an iPad Mini!

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          April 3, 2010 10:59 AM

          Haha, someone needs to make a fake Apple ad for that stat!

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          April 3, 2010 11:03 AM

          mine has a flip out keyboard

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      April 3, 2010 10:30 AM

      it's KILLING me that I have to wait for my 3G model!

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      April 3, 2010 10:38 AM

      it looks remarkably pointless to me. Too big for pocket and not as good as lap top.

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        April 3, 2010 10:40 AM

        A also have a touch screen monitor laptop and it's pretty useless as well. Touch only works well for things designed for it, so 99% of the sites you'll visit are out.

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          April 3, 2010 10:44 AM

          You should do some more research.

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            April 3, 2010 10:47 AM

            I can see it all in the first image of this site. What's you point? that you can zoom in every time you want to touch something smaller than the size of a quarter? That's terribly cumbersome. Unfun, i don't bother, i do something else.

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          April 3, 2010 10:50 AM

          I can understand this for apps or flash, but how is browsing general websites different with touch? Works fine on my iphone, except for the fact that the screen is small.

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          April 3, 2010 10:58 AM

          good thing 100% of the apps designed for the ipad are designed for touch.

          also 99% of sites are out? hardly. you can browse the Internet just fine with an iPhone.

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            April 3, 2010 11:13 AM

            I think he means you need to zoom to get some accuracy on your clicking... in that sites are not designed for touch. I am always zooming in very tight on my iPhone to click links. iPad obviously you would need to do this less, and if a link is by itself no need to.

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            April 3, 2010 1:36 PM

            Browsing the net in the iphone is not just fine it's terrible compared to on a laptop. I've had the ability to do everything the ipad can do on my mutitouch laptop and I barely use touch anymore because it just works much better that traditional way. You'll see once the wow factor wears off.

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      April 3, 2010 10:50 AM

      You know, most of the people giving the bad points of this machine are right but that doesn't make me want one any less... even though I already have a laptop and an iPhone. I won't get one but for some reason I want it!

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      April 3, 2010 11:12 AM

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        April 3, 2010 11:19 AM

        You could always put them in your Dropbox account and save the PDFs as favorites. I think files marked as favorites are saved on to the phone.

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          April 3, 2010 11:20 AM

          I meant iPad and you'd be using the Dropbox app.

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            April 3, 2010 11:22 AM

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              April 3, 2010 11:23 AM

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                April 3, 2010 11:30 AM

                considering the iBook app is filled with DRM, it doesn't surprise me one bit.

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                  April 3, 2010 11:42 AM

                  iTunes let you put whatever you want in it and it used to have DRM too.

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              April 3, 2010 1:01 PM

              DropBox app lets you save things locally. The bigger problem is there's no bookmarking support in PDFs. So every time you open the app you have to manually scroll back through the pages and remember where you were. It makes reading something while also using an IM app or something basically impossible. There are other apps like DataCase that might be better, I haven't tried it in awhile but I used it for PDFs before DropBox.

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        April 3, 2010 11:24 AM

        GoodReader was recommended in the other thread.

        Additionally, Papers is a great app for organizing a huge library of PDFs and it syncs with the Mac version. That's a significantly more expensive solution, though.

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          April 3, 2010 11:28 AM

          GoodReader on the iPhone is great! The screen is still small, but they make the most of it.

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          April 3, 2010 11:32 AM

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          April 3, 2010 12:34 PM

          Yes, the iPad version if GoodReader is fantastic, tons of useful features that are too many to list. But it has a built-in web browser so you can download and safe .PDF files from anywhere, and it'll automatically save and store the file for you.

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      April 3, 2010 11:21 AM

      I want a 3rd generation iPad.

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      April 3, 2010 11:30 AM

      THIS IS AWESOME.

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      April 3, 2010 11:36 AM

      Are you guys buying the 32 or the 64?

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        April 3, 2010 11:37 AM

        I got the 32GB one.

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        April 3, 2010 11:39 AM

        32gb

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        April 3, 2010 11:48 AM

        32.

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        April 3, 2010 12:20 PM

        16. Don't really see the need for any more. I'll take my phone with me and it'll serve as a good enough Internet access anywhere I am. At home I'll just use network apps to access my content.

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          April 3, 2010 12:27 PM

          Yeah I really don't see myself bothering to put any media on it since it'll never leave the house and I should be able to stream that stuff. Are there apps that will stream audio/video? I used Simplify Media a couple times on my Touch but I could see myself doing more of that on an iPad.

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            April 3, 2010 12:30 PM

            Yes Air Video streams all kinds of video like a champ. Simplify Media is actually dead now, but there are probably other alternatives for audio. (and the rumor is that Apple itself might offer a streaming audio solution)

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        April 3, 2010 12:22 PM

        32GB

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        April 3, 2010 12:35 PM

        Got 16. It'll be more than enough for me.

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        April 3, 2010 12:44 PM

        32

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        April 3, 2010 12:45 PM

        32

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        April 3, 2010 1:45 PM

        I just picked up the 64. God damn this thing is awesome. My only complaint so far is the weight, it's heavier than I was expecting.

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        April 3, 2010 4:56 PM

        went 64

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        April 3, 2010 5:48 PM

        32gb model

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        April 3, 2010 5:50 PM

        just got the 64g in a whirlwind of mini penii black turtleneck spooging-on-steve-jobs'-picture burning my cash needlessly fit of insanity.

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      April 3, 2010 12:05 PM

      Fuck I'm weak. Stop by best buy to just look at the display, and they had a couple left. It's slick!

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        April 3, 2010 12:09 PM

        Same here. I posted just last night that I was going to wait, and I'm syncing it up right now.

        QQ

        It is gorgeous though!

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        April 3, 2010 2:09 PM

        hahah

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      April 3, 2010 12:13 PM

      Anyone buy the Apple Case? How is it? Some people were saying it feels cheap.

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        April 3, 2010 12:22 PM

        Yeah, it absolutely feels cheap for 40 bucks.

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          April 3, 2010 12:25 PM

          Yeah i got one and kinda wish i had waited for a third party case, personally. Very... I dunno. Flimsy?

          Also, im surprised how easy it is to type on this thing. Im typing on it now almost as fast as i would a normal keyboard.

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            April 3, 2010 12:31 PM

            Yeah, in portrait mode I can type pretty fast on it too (but nowhere near a real keyboard cause it's two fingers vs ten), although its going to be a while before I can do it without glancing at the keyboard a bunch.

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        April 3, 2010 5:12 PM

        Feels cheap but for peace of mind I bought one. It could use some tweaking but otherwise I think it's alright.

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      April 3, 2010 12:22 PM

      i don't want an iPad :)

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        April 3, 2010 12:25 PM

        Nor do I. I don't see the draw to it at all.

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          April 3, 2010 12:34 PM

          I mean this is a completely non-troll-like way, but I just do not see the point in it at all.

          You get a half arsed computer touch screen thing that is too big to function as a proper phone, and too underpowered to function as a laptop.

          Is the point of it so you can do word processing or something? I can see how it would be handy for events organisers or something similar, as they usually walk around with a notepad, but as a general consumer device it just seems like another pointless gadget.

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            April 3, 2010 12:37 PM

            its not a replacement for either of those things. it's a compliment.

            for me, it's perfect to sit in bed at night and read with. i can read books, or comics, or surf the web with a small, lightweight, wireless device. yeah, it can't do everything that a laptop can do, but its not supposed to.

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              April 3, 2010 12:47 PM

              I guess if you don't have a laptop it could make more sense. But i'm laying in bed right now, typing this on my MBP with no problems at all.

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                April 3, 2010 12:51 PM

                I, too, have a MBP. And yeah, while I can lay in bed with it, it's cumbersome. I hate using trackpads. It gets hot.

                While the laptop solution works, its less than ideal. This iPad fills that role perfectly.

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            April 3, 2010 12:37 PM

            and basically to make it useful you have to hit up the AppStore and open up your wallet

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              April 3, 2010 12:41 PM

              thats a stupid statement. no you don't.

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              April 3, 2010 12:51 PM

              Does the iPad not come installed with a web browser and email client?

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                April 3, 2010 12:55 PM

                I am laying in bed on my back using safari to make this post on the iPad.

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                  April 3, 2010 12:59 PM

                  Can you use the keyboard with your thumbs while holding it in both hands from that position or did you chicken peck this post out? Serious question...

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                    April 3, 2010 1:02 PM

                    Chicken pecking, holding it vertically with thumb on left bezel. Once I get used to it, I will get better at the typing, but for what I intend on using it for, it works much better than using my MacBook here, sitting up or laying on my stomach.

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                      April 3, 2010 1:15 PM

                      congrats. You'll probably gain 10 pounds now that you have an iPad.

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            April 3, 2010 3:13 PM

            I am certain that if it wasn't an Apple product, people wouldn't even be buying it.

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              April 3, 2010 3:15 PM

              lol

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              April 3, 2010 3:45 PM

              on the flip side, if it weren't an apple product, there wouldn't be as much backlash against it.

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            April 3, 2010 3:28 PM

            The first person I know personally to express interest in it, I discussed it with him yesterday and we were talking about the intracacies of using a laptop in bed or on the couch.
            When you're standing or on the couch, an ipad wins to hold but when you're in bed or on the couch and lazy - the laptop basically has a stand so you don't have to hold the fucking thing the whole time to face you.

            I understand, sometimes the keyboard does get in the way, on a laptop but not enough for me to even consider an ipad.

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              April 3, 2010 4:50 PM

              Exactly, you either have to hold the thing up, or prop it up with your legs/something else. So even for laying in bed it isn't as ideal as a laptop.

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                April 3, 2010 4:51 PM

                It also doesn't have an optical drive, so scratch watching movies in bed off the list.

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                  April 3, 2010 4:53 PM

                  There is a netflix app where you can stream movies. As well as the abc app to stream shows.

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                  April 3, 2010 9:27 PM

                  Rip movie library to PC.
                  Download AirVideo app.
                  Have entire movie library to watch from iPad anywhere with WiFi or 3G.

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        April 3, 2010 4:02 PM

        Neither do I. I cannot fathom why people are flocking to what is essentially an oversized iPod Touch. And yes, that "joke" has been used before but that's all it is.

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          April 3, 2010 4:36 PM

          So it will do all the things my Touch does but on a bigger screen?
          And all my apps I already own will work with it?
          Piano software will be able to offer real-sized keys?
          I'll be able to show my photo slide shows to more than one person at a time?
          I'll be able to game without squinting?
          I'll be able to use it in the kitchen to replace my cookbooks?
          It's larger? And quicker?

          That is why I'm buying one.
          That is why my AAPL share shall continue to go up.

          1) Built in user base.
          2) iPhone/Touch = worldwide advertising for Apple's wonderful mobile OS.

          Watch the iPad demos. It isn't an oversized iPod Touch. Do some actual research...

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            April 4, 2010 4:13 AM

            This is where I twirl my finger in the air oh so enthusiastically. I'm so thrilled at your first two bullets there. That apps you already paid for on one device will work on the $500 "big brother" version of the device you already own.

            And piano keys? Uh... yay? Try getting an actual piano perhaps?

            The rest of the points are just total fluff. It's not a gaming device but if you use it as such, so be it. The iPod/iPhone does a good enough job for a portable/hand held device as it is. If I wanted that device for a gaming platform, I'd probably have to kick my ass. It's a glorified iPod Touch. It plays the same games as an iPod Touch. Big whoop.

            I saw all of those demo videos. I stand by my statement. The fact that people are rushing out to get this is just because it's the next Apple device and it's always apparently the second coming of Christ when Apple releases something "new." Even when something "new" is just a larger version of something they already released that will be lapped up by all the sheep.

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              April 4, 2010 4:30 AM

              What I'm getting from this post if you have more of a problem with apple rather than this device. Sheep lol. Do you use M$ for Microsoft as well?

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                April 4, 2010 6:07 AM

                Don't be a moron. I've no problem with any company. Try reading the comment again.

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                  April 4, 2010 6:14 AM

                  Don't act like you don't understand why people want the device when it's been explained several times in the same thread you are talking about.

                  If you want to have a real discussion and have your opinion taking seriously, throwing out the word sheep is not the way to do it.

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              April 4, 2010 4:58 AM

              cool story brah

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      April 3, 2010 12:24 PM

      I wonder what the ebay flip profit is going to be

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      April 3, 2010 12:25 PM

      my iPad is defective lol, luckily Best Buy has plenty more, going to exchange

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        April 3, 2010 12:32 PM

        what was wrong with it?

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        April 3, 2010 12:36 PM

        what was the issue?

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        April 3, 2010 12:57 PM

        screen was acting like there was touch being detected that wasn't happening, for example with the on-screen keyboard it would toggle itself back and forth between the alpha keys and the numerical keys.. with it sitting flat on the desk it would repeatedly switch back and forth.. while that was going on it wouldn't detect when I'd touch an icon or control

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          April 3, 2010 12:59 PM

          and yes, I did try restarting/rebooting it, even a restore install of the OS

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      April 3, 2010 12:31 PM

      Anyone else try the ABC app yet? Keeps crashing after like 10 seconds...

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      April 3, 2010 12:35 PM

      Semi-hijack

      What games have you guys bought? So far I just have civ rev.

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        April 3, 2010 12:44 PM

        Scrabble, Plants vs. Zombies, Marvel Comics viewer, Fieldrunners

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      April 3, 2010 12:42 PM

      Hey guess what? My iPad is fucking awesome. WOOT YEAH

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        April 3, 2010 12:44 PM

        Ok virus honest opinion, JooJoo vs the iPad, choose one!

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          April 3, 2010 12:45 PM

          JOOPAD!!!

          Honestly, this thing blows the JooJoo out of the water.

          Polished, great iPhone interface and snappy controls.

          The JooJoo is a JokeJoke.

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            April 3, 2010 1:44 PM

            can you run google talk in the background while surfing the web or playing a game?

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              April 3, 2010 6:01 PM

              Not until the jailbreak is released or os4.

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        April 3, 2010 12:45 PM

        which one

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        April 3, 2010 4:58 PM

        What a coincidence, mine too!

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      April 3, 2010 12:58 PM

      Posting from iPad version of latest chatty on actual iPad :D

      Gonna need a way to collapse and expand that list of threads on the left in landscape mode.

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        April 3, 2010 1:01 PM

        Me too... Stretchy!! Need native res...

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        April 3, 2010 1:01 PM

        I don't see it in the app store yet.

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          April 3, 2010 1:09 PM

          it's not, i pulled down the source, built, and deployed it manually

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            April 3, 2010 1:16 PM

            h4x

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            April 3, 2010 1:18 PM

            ah so you're just being a big fucking tease :) thx

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            April 3, 2010 1:44 PM

            Is it awesome? I dont even know yet lol.

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              April 3, 2010 1:51 PM

              It's good, but I don't really like the landscape mode. Portrait seems more usable. On the browser and stuff the buttons on the toolbar at the top are kind of a pain... You can reach them on a phone, but not even close on the iPad. If you're reading something like a fukung thread, you end up moving your hands around a lot to go between the thread and the browser.

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          April 3, 2010 1:16 PM

          old version maybe? for iphone?

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          April 3, 2010 1:41 PM

          oh what the....how did you do that/

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          April 3, 2010 3:06 PM

          Damn. Look nice! Im just on the website right now. Works much better than the iphone version. I'll definitely be getting that app once it hits the app store though!

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        April 3, 2010 1:15 PM

        Definitely preferring portrait mode with the pop down navigation.

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        April 3, 2010 1:47 PM

        Gonna need a way to collapse and expand that list of threads on the left in landscape mode.

        WHat do you mean?

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          April 3, 2010 1:57 PM

          I would like to be able to hide it when I'm focused on a single thread, the popup from portrait mode would probably do it. Also I would move the popup button to the bottom... thumbs are usually at the bottom ready to press things. Feels like top bar buttons should be reserved for really rare actions.

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            April 3, 2010 2:00 PM

            You know what's awesome about UISplitViewController? it's hard coded to work by orientation changes and there is no way to force it. You cannot display the left pane of a UISplitViewController in portrait, and you cannot hide it in landscape.

            So unless I rewrite the same controller form the ground up, this isn't happening.

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              April 3, 2010 2:05 PM

              Oh. Well, that sucks.

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      April 3, 2010 1:15 PM

      I want to be able to create an ad-hoc network from my iPhone so I can use this thing on the go.

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        April 3, 2010 1:18 PM

        I think you might be able to if you jailbreak.

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          April 3, 2010 1:19 PM

          I saw an app on cydia that purported to do that but it cost money so I didn't do anything about it.

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            April 3, 2010 1:35 PM

            mifi or myfi or something like that? I bought it for a trip I'm taking later where I won't have wifi. Tried it at home, works great. It has a trial.

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              April 3, 2010 2:21 PM

              mywi I believe. Turns your phone into a wireless hotspot, connect any wifi device!

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          April 3, 2010 1:35 PM

          yeah I read that if jailbroken you can tether to your iphone

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        April 3, 2010 1:41 PM

        Sprint Mi-Fi card for the win!

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        April 3, 2010 2:58 PM

        B2: google iproxy. I am pretty sure you can setup a proxy on the phone, right?

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        April 3, 2010 3:52 PM

        Hmm. I have a jailbroken phone. Neither PDANet or whatever other one I had installed worked. It required the computer to set up the network. I'll check out these other suggestions though.

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          April 3, 2010 4:04 PM

          Working great via mywi. It's 10 bucks though. I'll save it for the day I really need it.

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      April 3, 2010 1:18 PM

      What are some good options for a leather case for this thing? The apple one seemed perfect but ive heard it's not that great material wise?

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        April 3, 2010 3:02 PM

        It sorta hass a microfiber feel to it, but I just felt like it wasn't worth what i actually paid for it. Im sure several companies will be developing cases for it in the very near future, especially now that they can have their hands on it.

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          April 3, 2010 3:58 PM

          What I like about the apple case is that is doubles as a 90 and 30 degree stand. Hope other cases have that feature.

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      April 3, 2010 1:40 PM

      But does it play WoW??????????

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        April 3, 2010 10:22 PM

        if the ipad graphics card (or whatever it has) can handle it, blizzard could do it if they wanted. i can see touching the screen to use abilities/spells on the hot bar. the only problem id see is character movement. touching an on-screen d-pad would be usable, but youd get obliterated in pvp and in certain pve encounters.

        i believe its only a matter of time before someone makes an mmo for the ipad.

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      April 3, 2010 1:41 PM

      Ugh. I'm trying to hold out for another gen but you fuckers are making it hard.

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        April 3, 2010 1:49 PM

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        April 3, 2010 1:53 PM

        Yup. I said I'd wait for the 3G model but its tough.

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          April 3, 2010 1:55 PM

          i think i'm just gonna buy a 3G when those come out as well. I love this device - but having to rely on wifi hotspots makes me a super sad panda especially after wandering around today with it in my bag

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          April 3, 2010 2:12 PM

          I think it's worth waiting for 3G. Be strong!

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          April 3, 2010 2:24 PM

          The 3G option would be intriguing IF I COULD USE MY IPHONE SIM CARD. No chance I'd even consider paying for TWO separate 3G plans.

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            April 3, 2010 2:49 PM

            Yeah, I agree there. Will probably either cancel my phone 3G plan, or subscribe for a week at a time (no commitments) when on trips.

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      April 3, 2010 1:55 PM

      iPhone apps look like ass. That is all.

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      April 3, 2010 2:06 PM

      Conan OBrien got one apparently:
      Just got the new iPad. This amazing device has already revolutionized the way I use a calculator.

      Lol
      (from his Twitter page)

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        April 3, 2010 2:34 PM

        Funny thing is, it doesn't even have a calculator app.

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          April 3, 2010 2:43 PM

          ya, no weather app either, kinda odd but there are better apps for those functions in the appstore anyway

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            April 3, 2010 3:31 PM

            I think I saw a video for a WeatherHD app. Maybe it was an April 1st joke, but it looked gorgeous.

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              April 3, 2010 3:43 PM

              Correct! WeatherHD is pretty nice. Very nice visuals.

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      April 3, 2010 2:10 PM

      First post from pad. This thing fucking rawks!!!!!!

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        April 3, 2010 2:12 PM

        ATTN: squeegy!! Where is the iPad shack news app??? I can only find the iphone one.

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          April 3, 2010 2:16 PM

          not approved yet

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            April 3, 2010 2:28 PM

            I was late, and it was rejected 3 times now for legitimate bugs. So, very soon. Monday likely.

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              April 3, 2010 2:30 PM

              fuck that noise - i setup my provision, am downloading new xcode and will build it myself

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                April 3, 2010 2:47 PM

                Hook me up. I'll suck your dick instead of Squeegy's. >:(

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                  April 3, 2010 3:51 PM

                  I'm not in control of adding devices on this acct sorry :(

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                April 3, 2010 3:21 PM

                dude this is awesome.

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              April 3, 2010 2:55 PM

              i would like to show my appreciation for such a fine fine coder. i have already bought VOID.

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                April 3, 2010 3:16 PM

                Thanks! Do you like it? I want to make a sequel that sucks less when if I get some time.

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      April 3, 2010 2:15 PM

      when will Amazon have it? :(

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      April 3, 2010 2:18 PM

      just went to best buy pleasanthill CA, they all all sizes of the Wifi in stock, played with the demo. damn its amazing.

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      April 3, 2010 2:48 PM

      I wonder if stores will have cases, I want one now but online it says they don't ship until mid apr

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        April 3, 2010 2:58 PM

        Yes. I bought one. They're... Interesting. Not worth the cash, IMO. Just seem sorta flimsy and cheap.

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          April 3, 2010 4:12 PM

          I guess I'll wait and see what third parties have to offer

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      April 3, 2010 2:58 PM

      I am trying to resist buying one... is it worth waiting for the 3G version?

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        April 3, 2010 3:00 PM

        wouldn't that depend entirely on how you're planning to use it?

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        April 3, 2010 3:00 PM

        Thirty extra bucks a month for the data plan if you go unlimited. Only benefit is it's without a contract, so you can kill it and deactivate it on a whim if you wanted to.

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        April 3, 2010 3:01 PM

        I think so, mainly because at this point I don't know how I might want to use it. So I'm going to make sure that I have the version that has a real GPS and the ability to buy 3g coverage. Even if you don't think you'll use the 3G, you can buy it on the device at any point, so you just drop $15 for 250MB if you find yourself out and really needing to get online, then use it for the rest of the month. Plus, it'll have better resale value if you decide to get next year's model.

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      April 3, 2010 3:12 PM

      Foxtrot creator posted a sweet iPad wallpaper via Twitter. You can get it here. http://www.foxtrot.com/

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      April 3, 2010 3:14 PM

      My local Best Buy has a 15 min line just to touch one...and i'm standing in it. I have no intention of buying one though.

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        April 3, 2010 3:15 PM

        If you have no intention of buying one, step out of the line. You will end up buying one if you use it.

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          April 3, 2010 4:34 PM

          I sat there playing with it wondering what the hell I would do with it.

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      April 3, 2010 3:16 PM

      For those of us who kept hoping to see a camera show up in the iPad, it turns out that the space that had been reported as being the place a camera would go is actually for the light sensor. Here's a full breakdown of the parts for those interested:

      http://www.tuaw.com/2010/04/03/ipad-teardown-posted-at-ifixit/

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        April 3, 2010 3:24 PM

        Oh noes. :( My only hold out reason for not buying it.

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        April 3, 2010 3:39 PM

        iPad 2.0!

        When it has a camera and you can do video calls with it we'll truly be living in the future. At least the future according to EPCOT.

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          April 3, 2010 3:41 PM

          If Walt Disney were alive, he'd make Steve Jobs his bitch.

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        April 3, 2010 4:38 PM

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      April 3, 2010 3:26 PM

      I feel like Plants vs. Zombies was made for this. God this is great. :D

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      April 3, 2010 3:59 PM

      I wonder if the netflix app would work over 3G?

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      April 3, 2010 4:03 PM

      geometry wars bad video but cool
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcy1A5m3Sps

      damn......anyone in usa want to ship one to canada :|

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        April 3, 2010 4:40 PM

        Just bought geometry wars. Never played the game on xbox but its fucking awesome on an iPad.

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      April 3, 2010 4:07 PM

      I want Netflix. One thing I'm envious of and would love to see on Android

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      April 3, 2010 4:20 PM

      The reason I am not getting one is anandtechs review of the nexusone he just did and the comparison to the iphone. Now I picture an android tablet compared to the ipad and think it is worth the wait.

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        April 3, 2010 4:29 PM

        I'm not so sure. An Android tablet would still run phone sized apps. There likely wouldn't be specific pad apps. Sure, it would be more useful than the iPad for some stuff (better Gmail, actual filesystem allows sending/receiving email attachments, etc), but there's not nearly the same number of apps for Android, there wouldn't be specific pad apps, and there would be jack shit for games. Seriously. Android is NOT a gaming platform due to limitations in app size.

        I honestly don't think either OS is really suited to this kind of form factor... it definitely feels like desktop OS territory. If only there was a truly finger friendly version of windows.

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      April 3, 2010 4:21 PM

      I want an "Around the World" from Kate Beckinsdale, but we don't always get what we want.

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      April 3, 2010 4:21 PM

      Buying it now is retarded, simply put. They'll release an update with video conferencing and other good shit, and all the early adopters will get fucked.

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        April 3, 2010 4:38 PM

        Yeah, they'll announce a new model.....in no less than a year.

        And when next year rolls around, you'll be saying the same thing. Get it now, enjoy it. Do you really need a camera on the front? Do you REALLY even need a camera at all? Better hardware in the inside is the only real thing that'll have us first adopters panda sad, but if it's a big enough improvement, i have no problem upgrading.

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          April 3, 2010 4:45 PM

          Actually, I'm rather convinced video conferencing is ready but an easy feature to hold out on to guarantee first adopters will buy the upgrade. It's a fantastic business strategy, but I have the patience to not fall for it.

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          April 3, 2010 4:54 PM

          It's not out of line to say that the 2nd revision will be much better than the initial model. This pretty much applies to a new anything. The early adopters pay the early adopter tax to be essentially beta testers and then apple will roll out all these new updates and improvements into the next model.

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        April 3, 2010 4:50 PM

        If you wait for the next best thing, you'll always be waiting.

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          April 3, 2010 4:57 PM

          True, but buying into a 1.0 product from Apple generally isn't 100% wise either. I want to play with one quite badly (and probably will stop by the Apple store on the way home from work sometime this week to do just that), but I will actually make the decision whether or not to purchase one in ~6 months. By then the major bugs should have been worked out, and we'll see what third parties are able to do with it. If I do decide to get one, it'll be next year's model.

          That having been said, I'd probably end up giving it to my mother in law, who is in desperate need of a dead-simple communications device. She's deathly afraid of computers, but *loved* my wife's iPhone. Something like this seems like it'd be perfect for her.

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            April 3, 2010 5:01 PM

            Apple learned a lot from 3 versions of the iPhone, enough to get the first version of the iPad oh so fucking right.

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              April 3, 2010 5:07 PM

              Voice Control is stripped out (play artist X!)
              Camera is stripped out (I really wanted a Skype device)
              3g model can't make calls

              Stripping out features doesn't seem like a good lesson learned. :(

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                April 3, 2010 5:13 PM

                And all of these features will be in the revision. In all likeliness, these features are already ready as far as software and hardware is concerned - it's just a holdout to ensure monumental future sales.

                People will eat up 1.0, and then run right back out and buy 2.0 when they finally put the full feature set in.

                Just be patient. Christ people don't know how to wait when they should. BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY

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                  April 3, 2010 5:18 PM

                  Well, Voice Control on the 3GS works because of a dedicated chip that handles just that, I believe. It's not just a software solution. I know this because I've installed some Voice Control look alike app on my jailbroken 3G iPhone and it sucks compared to my wife's 3GS. So, adding hardware is more expensive than not adding hardware and if Apple wanted to keep prices low/keep margins high it was an easy thing to cut. Ditto with the camera. It's hardware. The no calls thing on the 3g version is kind of wierd though.

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              April 3, 2010 5:49 PM

              They learned that they can fuck people over on features so that they can sell them twice to the same people.

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            April 3, 2010 5:09 PM

            if the customers didn't learn after apple screwed them over with the iPhone 1.0 they never will.

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              April 3, 2010 5:10 PM

              I skipped iPhone 1.0 for this reason and I'm skipping iPad v1.0 for this reason but I have to wonder if Apple is compensating for that. Maybe next year's model will just be a drop in price.

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                April 3, 2010 5:19 PM

                But why buy 2.0 if 3.0 will be out a year later with more features?

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                  April 3, 2010 5:22 PM

                  C'mon, you have to admit that iPhone 1.0 buyers got majorly screwed. The price went way down and the upgrade from iPhone to iPhone 3g is crazy good. It's normal to want to avoid buying something twice right?

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                    April 3, 2010 5:25 PM

                    I don't regret my iPhone 1.0 purchase at all. I upgraded to a 3gs 2 years later and skipped the 3G. Now I've got video and more space :).

                    If the iPad had come out in one configuration I'd see your point more, but a 3G version is coming out in a few weeks. Sure, iPad v2 will probably come out in 12 months and have some new features. That's just how technology works.

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                    April 3, 2010 5:25 PM

                    I admit you are right about the initial cost, but at least my monthly bill is $15 cheaper for a comparable plan than 3g users.

                    Honestly, I don't even miss 3g. The increased speed of the 3GS would be nice, though.

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                      April 3, 2010 5:28 PM

                      Is it possible you don't miss 3g because you don't know what you're missing? I FUUUUUUUU whenever I drop out of a 3g zone into Edge. Edge really really blows compared to the 'normal' (for me) 3g network.

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                        April 3, 2010 5:30 PM

                        Maybe? 2G speeds seem OK for me the rare times I'm not in a wifi area.

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                    April 3, 2010 5:32 PM

                    Sure that's normal. For what it's worth, I don't think it's crazy for anyone want to wait for the 2.0.

                    That said, I was an early adopter of the iPhone, and I didn't feel screwed. Everyone knows apple upgrades their hardware almost yearly, so I don't know anyone would feel screwed.

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                      April 3, 2010 5:33 PM

                      The $200 price drop two months later kind of pissed me off, though.

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                  April 3, 2010 5:24 PM

                  3.0 will likely be more marginal improvements. 1.0 is the version that every mac follower will buy, hardon in hand. They don't need to include much to sell that one.

                  2.0 will include the features they cut to ensure you'd have a reason to buy it. 3.0 will probably include marginal improvements to processor speed/ram, perhaps a new feature here or there. Certainly 2.0 - 1.0 > 3.0 - 2.0.

                  I see you're trying to justify your purchase though so I will humor you and say yes of course it is worth it you won't be missing out on much when 2.0 comes out in less than a year.

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                    April 3, 2010 5:27 PM

                    I don't need to justify my purchase to anyone. I know there will be an upgraded version in about a year and I'm ok with that.

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              April 3, 2010 5:35 PM

              I'd say Apple learned a lot from it and they don't want to repeat it with the iPad.

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          April 3, 2010 5:14 PM

          Unless it is the next gen Apple product. Then you only have to wait about a year.

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        April 3, 2010 6:18 PM

        Or maybe, just maybe I don't give a flying fuck about video conferencing?

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        April 3, 2010 6:25 PM

        My iPhone HD will do this, so I can buy the iPad without too much regret if it comes out. It would be nice for my dad, though, since then it could completely replace his old Mac Mini.

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        April 3, 2010 6:48 PM

        I bought one for $500. If I can resell it for $300, spending $200 total when the revisions come out, and get to experience this new form of tech geekery, I'm happy.

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        April 3, 2010 6:49 PM

        So what - I'll buy another one then too. Who the fuck cares?

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          April 4, 2010 3:28 PM

          People who prefer to spend their money wisely.

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            April 4, 2010 3:40 PM

            I spent my money wisely, I don't need video conferencing, and even if I absolutely needed the next model I can just sell my old one. I would rather be able to use it now because I need it, waiting a year wouldn't work for me. I don't have a laptop, only a desktop, and after using it for a day I can say that I am not interested in a laptop, this replaces the need for that for me.

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          April 4, 2010 3:40 PM

          u baaaaaaaaaaaalin

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      April 3, 2010 4:24 PM

      What are these colored things hanging out on Wozniak's keychain? http://www.engadget.com/photos/steve-wozniak-a-segway-and-an-ipad/#2861750

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        April 3, 2010 7:13 PM

        Man that fat ass really need the segway? Maybe he should walk or jog a little.

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      April 3, 2010 5:03 PM

      At the Best Buy in Mission Viejo to get an ipad case that came on a later shipment. They still have a room full of 32gb ipads so we got one for our boss in Canada. Hai2u portax!

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      April 3, 2010 5:49 PM

      Got mine today during lunch and was working with them all day. They are simply awesome and are surprisingly an awesome gaming platform, several fold greater than what the iphone can offer.

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        April 3, 2010 6:06 PM

        For certain types of game yes, but the larger form factor is going to limit some forms of gaming because you have to hold it with two hands.

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          April 3, 2010 6:14 PM

          Very true. But I think the ipad stands to really excel in certain types of game genres/formats where a traditional hand held or even a console might not work as well. And, what the ipad can push graphically is pretty damn impressive.

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      April 3, 2010 6:07 PM

      fuck I'm weak, bought

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      April 3, 2010 6:14 PM

      another bit of awesome info i just learned about my ipad . it won't charge from my laptop, apparently it only charges from 'newer' macbooks. i guess they changed the voltage of the usb port or something?

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        April 3, 2010 6:22 PM

        Yeah, apparently it requires quiite a bit more power than the USB standard, so most people will be wall charging only. Pretty annoying.

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          April 3, 2010 6:23 PM

          dammit, I thought it just needed to be sleeping and then it would be ok

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        April 3, 2010 6:34 PM

        Considering its battery is about as big as a laptop battery, it'd be like charging your laptop on another laptop (xzibit?)

        Yes I know it can be done.

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        April 3, 2010 6:38 PM

        Yeah, mine won't charge off the front USB ports.

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        April 3, 2010 6:43 PM

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        April 3, 2010 6:51 PM

        You should probably quit fucking around and just buy a new laptop, duh.

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        April 3, 2010 7:18 PM

        Yeah it needs to be a high power USB 2.0 port. The wattage on the adapter is 10w versus the 5w the old iphone wall chargers had. New macs and macbook airs, for example, should be able to charge it. Although the wall adapter will still likely be faster.

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          April 3, 2010 7:41 PM

          I've heard it may be dangerous to use your iPhone syncing cable to charge your iPad. Confirm or deny?

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            April 4, 2010 9:31 AM

            First I've heard of that. I'll look into it though

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              April 4, 2010 10:39 AM

              Blackcat: Tentative answer is no it shouldn't cause any problems with current generation cables as they are all the same. The older generation cables(the ones you'd have to "pinch" to release) might cause issues but they won't cause harm. And, way older firewire cables simply won't work at all.

              The ipad cable is just a standard iphone 3g/3gs cable as far as I am hearing, and in fact, the "square end" on the cable is apparently being phased into newer retail iphones as well and is just a cosmetic difference.

              Early tests on my own also show the ipad will charge off of iphone adapters as well, but iphone adapter or usb port will charge very slowly compared to the wall adapter.

              Note this is a tentative answer but so far it sounds a-ok.

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          April 4, 2010 3:57 PM

          Has anyone heard if they charge on USB 3.0 ports?

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        April 3, 2010 8:06 PM

        Even if it does charge via a newer laptop, it takes 2 times as long. Just plug it in.

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      April 3, 2010 6:15 PM

      god, me and re-verse went into bestbuy for something else and checked out the ipad's. i was totally against the ipad, mainly because i thought it was an unnecessary accessory. the iphone is small and convenient, plus it is a phone and a laptop could do a lot more on. just because it's new and shiny and other people want it, then we were supposed to want it too? well, i do. we picked it up and i was like... "yeah i could have one of these things." sucker. i should have stayed strong like the wife behind the one dude checking out the ipods "yeah like you really need this, but i guess everything is about you, isn't it??". lols.

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        April 3, 2010 6:18 PM

        Haha, I was on the fence when the ipad was announced. Then I started getting interested when I started seeing all the early results from developers software wise. Then I go into work today and one of my co-workers was like "look what I got." and then I played around with the damn thing most of the day and I was hooked.

        It really is one of those things you have to use and try out to really get

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        April 3, 2010 6:23 PM

        You can buy a case that folds in on itself to make a stand, perfect for having a recipe open while you make it.

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          April 3, 2010 6:41 PM

          yeah that was a big one for me (when i do cook) and watching southpark in bed (re-verse doesn't allow t.v.'s in the bedroom).

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            April 3, 2010 9:47 PM

            that looked like "when i do cock"

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              April 3, 2010 10:09 PM

              hey, us housewives have to multitask to get things done, y'know.

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          April 3, 2010 8:07 PM

          this was a big thing for me too. i was like, I COULD MOUNT IT TO THE WALL WHILE I'M COOKING!!! then i remembered i don't cook.

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            April 4, 2010 10:19 AM

            I don't cook either, but the ipad version of Big Oven is freaking awesome.

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        April 3, 2010 7:55 PM

        So far I've been really pleases with it other than trying to type out a long post on here. Definitely more for media consumption/games than creation.

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      April 3, 2010 6:42 PM

      I wish it had buttons.

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      April 3, 2010 6:45 PM

      All day, I had the wanting new toy jitters and I was strong.

      So guess what happens... my dad comes home at the end of the day and gives Mom a shiny new 64GB version.

      I will be strong :[

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      April 3, 2010 6:49 PM

      There was a cop posted outside the Apple store at the mall today

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      April 3, 2010 7:09 PM

      If they release a pressure sensitive version perhaps I will consider it because then it would serve a function that my notebook and iphone doesn't have.

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        April 3, 2010 8:24 PM

        Someone needs to develop a battery-powered blue-tooth capacitive touch pen. That would solve the pressure-sensitive issue.

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        April 4, 2010 9:49 AM

        If they release one that sprouts Pegasus wings and flies me to tropical islands at the speed of light then I might consider it.

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      April 3, 2010 7:19 PM

      I went and played with it and now my want for one is taken care of. I think I may be too stupid to use apple products. I couldn't figure out how to use the spreadsheet software.

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      April 3, 2010 7:39 PM

      I really really want one. Quick, are there any shackers that bought it and are disappointed? POST.

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      April 3, 2010 7:42 PM

      Fucking awesome. All I need is a good photo editing app and I don't really need a laptop anymore.

      Mom also wasn't planning on buying one, got it after five minutes.

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        April 3, 2010 7:56 PM

        you think this bad boy will cannibalize macbook sales?

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          April 3, 2010 9:30 PM

          If the person already has a desktop, absolutely.

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        April 3, 2010 9:47 PM

        I thought you were waiting! :D

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          April 3, 2010 10:02 PM

          Yeah, the problem is that I already pay extra for 3G on my iPhone. Do I need to do it with two devices? Do I want to pay $130 extra and then agonize if this is going to be the month I spend $15 or $30 extra instead of hunting down a wifi hotspot?

          I will live with this for the next month, and if I really need 3G I will sell this one and get that instead. I think I'll be fine with wifi as I am with my laptop, we'll see.

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            April 3, 2010 10:14 PM

            That's my thinking as well.

            It's too bad there's no legit way to tether it to the iPhone. I think I'd mainly use it at home though. I really just want it to browse the web in bed hah.

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              April 3, 2010 10:25 PM

              No iPhone tethering and no webcam are my only real issues with it.

              Typed on an iPad in Safari. This isn't as hard as I thought it was going to be.

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      April 3, 2010 7:44 PM

      recommend some free apps? I went through most of the top free ones but I surely missed some

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        April 3, 2010 8:32 PM

        USA Today
        Epicurious
        Marvel
        Weather Bug
        PCalc Lite
        NPR (nice to read while listening to their radio)
        Bloomberg
        ebay
        Twitterific
        Shazam
        Netflix
        IMDB
        Wikipanion

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          April 3, 2010 8:37 PM

          I got sly of these plus two music apps: RJ Voyager and beatwave

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          April 4, 2010 12:07 AM

          yeah these are pretty much the ones I have

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      April 3, 2010 8:30 PM

      If you have Kids..... the wallpaper backgrounds look way too good as a show off piece.

      http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2175873/lockscreen1.jpg
      http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2175873/homescreen.jpg

      My 2 kids

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        April 3, 2010 8:44 PM

        Read your emails already :-)

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          April 3, 2010 8:46 PM

          gah, those are from my Mobile Me account, I forgot to turn the email portion off on that.. i only use it for the other features.

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      April 3, 2010 8:46 PM

      this is important

      How does pornhub.com look on it in high res?

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      April 3, 2010 8:46 PM

      Does anybody know how to browse ALL ipad apps under a category? It seems you can only browse the stuff they are pushing forward. Am I missing something?

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      April 3, 2010 8:59 PM

      My iPad has a dead pixel =(

      What is apples policy on this?

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      April 3, 2010 9:29 PM

      I hate looking at the itunes app store now. All those tasty apps that I can't use :(

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        April 3, 2010 9:42 PM

        why don't you buy one edgewise?

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          April 3, 2010 10:02 PM

          Dentists are poor and have little disposable income

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          April 3, 2010 10:03 PM

          Edgewise, what kind of patient record tracking software do you use? Diane's dad uses Dentrix and we were wondering if SalesForce would be better for him. I know there's a SalesForce app for the iPhone and iPad, but I wonder if there's anything else out there specific to Dentrix or anything else that you guys might be using.

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      April 3, 2010 9:30 PM

      I went to try and get one. The guy in front of me was buying one so I thought I was actually going to get one. He bought the last one :(

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        April 3, 2010 10:24 PM

        I suppose you could always order one from the website and wait a week =/

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      April 3, 2010 10:32 PM

      Thread Hijack
      I "pre-ordered" my iPad from Apple last week. Have any of you fellow procrastinators heard when "before the 12th" they will ship? The charge was pending all of last week, but is no longer showing in my account. I'm half-way tempted to cancel my order and pick one up at Best Buy tomorrow.

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        April 3, 2010 11:45 PM

        I did just that, bought it as BB then canceled the pre-order. Was quite simple to cancel.

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      April 3, 2010 11:44 PM

      Okay, so what do I do to browse a windows share that has videos, music and other assorted shit and have it stream to an ipad?

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        April 4, 2010 12:05 AM

        rofl

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          April 4, 2010 12:10 AM

          Yeah, looks like we're gonna take this back and get a laptop tomorrow.

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            April 4, 2010 12:31 AM

            So uh printing... hrms.

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              April 4, 2010 12:45 AM

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                April 4, 2010 12:49 AM

                Yeah, since this thing is for mom, she's frustrated with it already because it doesn't do X or Y.

                It might do these things, but the documentation is pretty limited so I have to ask dumb questions here and look like a retard.

                Who knows, maybe they will give it to me... I think it's pretty fucking awesome and I don't need printing or photos.

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                  April 4, 2010 12:58 AM

                  There are apps that allow you to print from it. Search the app store for printing and you'll probably find a dozen. The only problem is that the thing JUST came out so there isn't a lot of information about how to do those things yet and it's hard to tell the difference between the good apps and the shit ones. There is no built-in printing function as of yet, but it doesn't mean that it won't be added in the future.

                  What is it they want to do with photos?

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              April 4, 2010 5:03 AM

              Printing is one of the big things keeping it from being really useful around here. The lack of printing is a big thing that keeps it from replacing a laptop here. AskedRelic was laughing at me because of the amount of printing we do around here, but MY WIFE and I don't have smart phones with our email and internet access 24/7 like he does, so when we travel I print boarding passes / hotel reservations to take it on the road with us. He just wanders around with his iPhone and pulls it up when he needs it but I don't have the luxury of doing that.

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              April 4, 2010 5:27 AM

              this is where people are going to run into disappointment with the device. especially people who dont research it.

              This thing can not replace a laptop, and its not meant to. Its a great compliment device to use with a PC or notebook, not replace one.

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                April 4, 2010 6:04 AM

                The thing that bugs me about the iPad is that you obviously need to own another computer around the house to get it going -- mulitsync posted about his being a paperweight because he had to hook it up to iTunes first -- but it doesn't really seem to want to have anything else to do with the computer. If you can't share photos, music or video over the network or print, it sounds like an expensive toy more than anything.

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                  April 4, 2010 6:13 AM

                  The fact that it was designed to work with iTunes and nothing else is telling. Apple is doing it's best to steer you towards the iTunes store for music, movies and books.

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                    April 4, 2010 8:39 AM

                    How is that telling? Did you expect them to suddenly drop iTunes in favor of Zune marketplace or something? Obviously a company is going to make their device work with their established platform for music/movies/etc, but like any other apple device, you can still use things from outside sources.

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                      April 4, 2010 9:27 AM

                      The Xbox can stream from a source in your house as can the PS3.

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                        April 4, 2010 9:47 AM

                        So because the gaming consoles can stream media, that means the tablet device should? Hardly relevant. Anyway, we knew going in that the ipad was build on iphone OS, and there for carried the same limitations, being surprised about it not being able to do x or y at this point is just silly.

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                          April 4, 2010 12:17 PM

                          I was originally responding to ThomW's point that he's disappointed that he can't stream from a share on his network easily. In my opinion, Apple is looking at this device as an avenue to sell more of their content. This differs from say, a Macbook.

                          Both the 360 and the PS3 have online stores you can buy content from, however, they also give you the ability the stream content from somewhere on your network where the iPad doesn't. In my opinion, Apple is hoping their users will see the iTunes store as "the only game in town" and I was drawing a contrast to other companies who also have online stores but aren't as closed as Apple is here with this new device.

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                    April 4, 2010 1:15 PM

                    Nah, iTunes is just the mechanism by which upgrades and backups are done.

                    If you were looking for a sell-you-music-etc conspiracy the two icons on the iPad called "App Store" and "iTunes" are probably what you're looking for.

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                  April 4, 2010 6:13 AM

                  If you are sharing from something, then you have something to sync it to. I'm surprised apple doesnt have some appletv type features with streaming from a mac/pc over the network, but as it stands right now it works just like all of apples other mobile devices.

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                    April 4, 2010 6:26 AM

                    The lack of hdmi out is a bummer. There's a VGA adapter but you can't get any sound out of that obviously. Hooking up two cables just to see some SD movies on my tv is yucky.

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                April 4, 2010 9:36 AM

                What do you expect? Reviews for this device are either "HOLY FUCK AMAZING!!!" or "CURSE YOU STEVE JOBS" personally I haven't found a review that's an inbetween to show any shortcomings or help for us new people to Mac stuff.

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              April 4, 2010 8:18 AM

              There is an app for printing

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                April 4, 2010 10:02 AM

                I tried a couple of the iPhone apps and they wouldn't recognize my network printer.

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        April 4, 2010 12:12 AM

        There's an app called AirVideo that can stream videos from a computer. Dunno about the other stuff.

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        April 4, 2010 12:25 AM

        Funny enough, you can do this from a MobileMe iDisk. There has to be an app that lets you do this from an SMB share, if not now then later

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        April 4, 2010 1:04 PM

        Dunno about Windows, but...

        http://www.myappleguide.com/blogs/iphone-world/3242/ipad-reveals-file-sharing-feature-iphone-32

        Apparently there is a way to use a shared files directory.

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          April 4, 2010 1:14 PM

          Skip to 5:36 in this video: http://vimeo.com/9037933

          Seems to be a Filesharing option that is off by default, try messing with that in your System Preferences and see what happens?

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            April 4, 2010 1:18 PM

            Reading more into it, apparently it's still very limited file sharing. Just download the Air Sharing app, I think that will handle everything.

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      April 4, 2010 12:31 AM

      how many people got markups from ebay? I should have flipped em :(

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        April 4, 2010 12:46 AM

        I don't think you'll make much profit. There seems to be an abundance of some models in a lot of Best Buys.

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      April 4, 2010 1:15 AM

      Damn, latest chatty upgrade just came through and It rules.

      Squeegy, you rock dude. Seriously - this is really good.

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      April 4, 2010 1:39 AM

      Anyone try the C&C game? Looks good, some complaints about framerate.

      I'd kill for a Warcraft HD...

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        April 4, 2010 6:24 AM

        I'd kill for Fallout 2.

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        April 4, 2010 10:59 AM

        I was going to but was scared off by the reviews about performance. Guess I'll wait and see if they're able to resolve that.

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      April 4, 2010 6:23 AM

      An iPad has to be the best purchase I've ever made.

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      April 4, 2010 7:09 AM

      iBooks is pretty awesome, so much better than the Kindle app, but the selection of books sucks right now.

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        April 4, 2010 7:20 AM

        Why? Pricing sucks, and the kindle app has more options such as white text on a black background. Other than that, the only real difference I notice is the page turning animation in iBooks, which looks kind of neat but is pointless.

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          April 4, 2010 8:38 AM

          Well when it comes to programming books with snippets, diagrams, and code examples, Kindle fails completely at rendering them properly.

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      April 4, 2010 8:46 AM

      me too!!!!

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      April 4, 2010 9:41 AM

      I'm trying to hold out for the next generation, but it's hard with all this hype

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      April 4, 2010 9:54 AM

      Not an "Apple" guy, myself. But I do love my iPhone. That said, I'd like the iPad if it did hulu or...streamed movies off my network's big storage drive. But apparently it does neither.

      All I really use my laptop for is FullTilt and email and watching movies on deployment. So when this laptop shits the bed in a few years I may look at an iPad, but for now it just seems like a big iTouch. I don't see how useful that could be.

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        April 4, 2010 10:17 AM

        Hulu iPad app is coming, though it's probably going to be subscription (this would apply to all your mobile devices, mind you).

        Air Video when it's iPad-native should let you stream videos; not sure how well it works with a NAS, but I believe it uses UPnP.

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        April 4, 2010 11:39 AM

        Air video iPad app is coming. It'll even live convert all of your videos for you even if they aren't in h.264.

        Try it out on your iPhone now. Works awesome.

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          April 4, 2010 12:38 PM

          the iPhone app actually works perfectly well on the iPad. The UI obviously isn't geared for it but once you're streaming it's irrelevant.

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      April 4, 2010 9:56 AM

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        April 4, 2010 9:59 AM

        It's going to happen in the long term anyway. Apple are using their position to get shit done.

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          April 4, 2010 10:04 AM

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            April 4, 2010 10:19 AM

            because it won't include an unstable, CPU-sucking plugin whose metaphor generally breaks down when you implement touch? (you can't do a mouseover with your fingers, remember)

            Apple's probably being harsher than it needs to, but I don't doubt them when they say HTML5 is more efficient and truly cross-platform.

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              April 4, 2010 10:27 AM

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                April 4, 2010 1:17 PM

                Because most users don't know any better and will just complain about their iPad/device crashing and having poor battery.

                Seriously, you think your mom or dad know that video/widget/ad is being provided by flash? If they do, they're the exception.

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            April 4, 2010 10:21 AM

            Oh please. You're not overreacting at all.

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            April 4, 2010 10:24 AM

            why would you handicap yourself by boycotting a company's products just because you dont agree with their business practices arent you just hurting yourself even more thats dumb

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              April 4, 2010 10:28 AM

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                April 4, 2010 10:32 AM

                the Zune HD doesn't allow third-party apps; they're all carefully chosen by Microsoft, and unless it gets WP7, Microsoft has abandoned it as a platform.

                also, Windows Phone 7 apps will need approval and won't have multitasking, so by that token you should stop using Windows on all your computers and handhelds, and start using Linux.

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                  April 4, 2010 10:36 AM

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                    April 4, 2010 12:32 PM

                    1) I didn't buy an iPad with the intention of using Flash, so I really don't care! I knew knew going in that Apple has to approve apps before you can download them. But it's a tablet computer that works and doesn't slow down, get buggy, or stop working, which is what I want. I don't want a sluggish, impossible to use web browser because Flash is running.

                    2) The iTunes software lets you share music between computers just fine, it's a feature called Home Sharing, which lets you simply drag and drop content between computer shares in iTunes, or even keep the two computers synced. The iPad supports enough syncing options to make me happy, two way syncing just confuses most people.

                    3) Android phones don't have restrictions, but all it takes is one person to write an app that passes as a legit app to people not paying attention, and then you suddenly are running malware and your phone becomes a location aware botnet (this is already happening)

                    4) Not sure what your point is anyway, it isn't a matter of accepting a stupid web plugin just because it's got a wide adoption rate, it's about having standards that don't cripple a device or make the experience extremely distasteful. I would rather a people like you complain about than Apple add Flash and suddenly have a huge burden of support that no company can sufficiently handle. Even Adobe can't support Flash well enough!

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                      April 4, 2010 12:40 PM

                      But it's a tablet computer that works and doesn't slow down, get buggy, or stop working

                      Probably going to need more than a day to say this about the iPad. It definitely isn't the case with my iPhone.

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                        April 4, 2010 12:43 PM

                        Yeah I am not saying it's 100% bullet proof, but it's certainly more protected than a tablet device that is more open and has Flash, etc.

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                          April 4, 2010 12:45 PM

                          yeah, there're certainly some advantages. At the moment though my iPhone has as bad OS rot as I've had on any device. Massively slower, freezes up just trying to unlock it, music player crashes periodically, etc. I need to do a restore to factory settings.

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                            April 4, 2010 1:18 PM

                            I've never had the music player crash once on my first gen iPhone.

                            You might want to get that thing serviced.

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                              April 4, 2010 1:20 PM

                              if it's not fixed by a full restore I may. Given all the other issues I have a feeling a clean OS will help.

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                            April 4, 2010 1:22 PM

                            that's not normal, I have a 2G iPhone with the latest OS (3.1.3) and none of those problems

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                        April 4, 2010 1:23 PM

                        My iPhone 3GS is coming up nearly a year of use and it's just as fast and lacking in bugs as ever.

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                          April 4, 2010 1:24 PM

                          my 3G was fine for a year, it's the last 6ish months things have really started to fall apart.

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                            April 4, 2010 1:28 PM

                            anytime I've had any sort of slowdown or app crashing, a restart has fixed it perfectly, I've had no persistent problems like you describe and I've had a 3g since release day.

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                April 4, 2010 10:33 AM

                not owning an ipod wont make any difference to anybody other than yourself. voting with your dollars doesnt mean anything unless you can make a dent. i think people take this concept way too seriously out of self righteousness

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                  April 4, 2010 10:40 AM

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                    April 4, 2010 10:42 AM

                    well if its because you find better quality products thats good. i complain about all my stuff i dont consider that being hypocritical i call it tough love

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            April 4, 2010 10:26 AM

            Of course Apple are doing it for their benefit, but pushing other browsers and websites to support HTML5 + CSS3 isn't a bad thing.

            But yeah, you're overreacting.

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            April 4, 2010 10:37 AM

            MS would be in court immediately if they tried to consolidate every part of windows as their money making platform. I guess Apple's big luck out here is that they're still under the radar of anti-trust, and still not the biggest on the block so they can do whatever.

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        April 4, 2010 10:22 AM

        I think going towards an HTML5 video player is a good choice for your company in the long run, for these devices or not.

        But for everyone working in advertising where 90% of what they do are interactive websites made on Flash, well, those really have a problem. But they also can choose to keep churning Flash sites and see what happens in the long run. I don't really see Flash dying anytime soon in any case.

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          April 4, 2010 10:28 AM

          More/better JS animation libraries will come out to handle this.

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          April 4, 2010 10:31 AM

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            April 4, 2010 10:45 AM

            I know what you mean, I'm a web developer (not flash) and I always worked for advertising agencies or graphic design studios where most of the work is Flash because that's what the client needs.

            Flash Player 10.1 is a good promise, but it's something they should have done before. Apple has 2 issues with Flash, first one is that on the Mac it's simply subpar compared to Windows, it's buggy and slow. Second issue is the app store. I don't really know what's going to happen with that, my only guess would be that if the alternatives to the iPhone and iPad start to gain success and also exploiting the advantage of having Flash support, perhaps Apple will allow Flash support. But controlling how people acquires apps is one thing that I don't see Apple letting go, and we know that with Flash you can make comparable applications to the native ones, providing the Flash Player is good enough and optimized.

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            April 4, 2010 11:16 AM

            What's to stop those developing these absolutely amazing Flash apps from building iApps out of them with CS5?

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        April 4, 2010 10:28 AM

        I am really against the iMac, not because I don't think it's a cool device, but basically apples attitudes towards floppy disk owners.

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          April 4, 2010 10:31 AM

          I can't tell you how many times I've wanted to stick my floppy in this 27" iMac. Why won't they allow it?

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            April 4, 2010 10:32 AM

            I stick my floppy in your Mac..

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          April 4, 2010 10:38 AM

          Hah, i remembered that. I was one of those people who was angry and all! How time makes fools of us all.

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            April 4, 2010 12:42 PM

            I remember thinking it was a dumb idea, but I also remember thinking it was a smart move because it was obvious that the industry was moving towards optical disks. The biggest problem was the people who still used the old fashioned "sneakernet" way of doing things where they would copy files to a floppy disk, then bring it to a computer they wanted to copy it to. Around this time though it was also obvious that people would be using the internet to copy files, and even still people were already using BBS, modems, and LANS to copy files when they got rid of it.

            Apple is really smart at making predictions and taking risks. They have had products that are failures, but it's usually the ones that are their "pet projects" that fail, it's hardly ever the ones they invest the most in.

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              April 4, 2010 3:17 PM

              it definately was a prediction since at the time there were completely valid reasons to use a floppy disc (flashing devices and transfering documents since internet was by no means guarenteed around friends houses and usb drives were expensive/nonexistent).

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      April 4, 2010 10:40 AM

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      April 4, 2010 11:30 AM

      I was among a small group of people outside of the Apple Store and we waited out front until a mall cop told us it was closed for Easter.

      :(

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      April 4, 2010 1:17 PM

      is the iTunes store down?

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      April 4, 2010 1:21 PM

      Latest chatty for the pad is up!!! Woot!! This is sooooo nice!!

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      April 4, 2010 1:53 PM

      So has anyone tried the PocketLegends? I've been playing it. Its a free MMO and I am really impressed so far.

      Add me as a friend if you start playing: Morfus (not a zero)

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        April 4, 2010 1:58 PM

        Wow, that looks great, and it's free? I'll add you once i get in.

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        April 4, 2010 2:03 PM

        Alterra realm?

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          April 4, 2010 2:12 PM

          Let me go look what realm.. Yes it's free, uses micro transactions.

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          April 4, 2010 2:15 PM

          Yes Alterra. I'm only lvl 10 right now. You can also make pub and private games.

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          April 4, 2010 2:17 PM

          Yes Alterra. You can also make pub and private games. I am only lvl 10 right now.

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          April 4, 2010 2:18 PM

          Yes Alterra realm. I'm only lvl10 and you can make pub and private games. Very diablo'ish.

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        April 4, 2010 2:21 PM

        I was getting errors posting that on the LC. Plz nuke.

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        April 4, 2010 2:24 PM

        I never got the activation email

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      April 4, 2010 2:30 PM

      Anyone try the maps app? Everyone including apple says that the wifi only version doesn't have GPS, yet maps knows exactly where I am, down to the house number. What gives?

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        April 4, 2010 2:32 PM

        That's that "magical" part they were talking about.

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        April 4, 2010 2:35 PM

        skyhook wireless

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      April 4, 2010 2:31 PM

      Just got back from the apple store in SF, they have a ton in stock but they're all the 64GB version.

      Pretty cool device, after playing with it I've pretty much confirmed I have no desire to fork over the cash for one though.

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      April 4, 2010 2:38 PM

      I have one waiting for me at work on monday. The perks of being an iPhone developer :-D

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      April 4, 2010 2:56 PM

      with the 10 hour battery life it'll be nice to use gamefaqs for more than 2 hours ( i have very long playing sessions :( )

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        April 4, 2010 2:59 PM

        I got up around 6 hours ago, have been fiddling with it all day, the browser, videos, photos, uploading, etc, and its at 75% full still. Been mainly surfing the web and snacking nonstop.

        The 10 hours quote comes from watching videos for that length.

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          April 4, 2010 3:15 PM

          Can't wait till I finally get mine. Seems you are having a positive experience =].

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          April 4, 2010 4:01 PM

          yeah, I tested it earlier today and did non-stop youtube/netflix streaming over wifi for 2 hours straight and only killed about 20% ish of my battery. That's really impressive.

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      April 4, 2010 4:04 PM

      Been using it with my family for about 6 hours today and battery is still at 65%

      Awesome.

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        April 4, 2010 4:21 PM

        What was the overall verdict from the family?

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          April 4, 2010 5:13 PM

          Everybody wants their own :)

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