Weekend Discussion
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fucking red ring, this is the second time. What a piece of shit fucking console FUCK. I'm buying a PS3.
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Every time someone posts about this, it makes me glad I bought a PS3 back when I did and waited as long as I did before buying a 360. Even then, I'm just waiting for the 360 to shit the bed. I only buy cross platform games on it when they're clearly better in some major, meaningful way (like lots of extra content or something) and generally just stick to buying the PS3 versions since I'm pretty sure I'll actually be able to play those titles 1-2 years down the line while I'm grateful everyday that my 360 actually powers on.
Hopefully the next MS console has full backwards compatibility with 360 titles and allows XBLA-purchased assets to be migrated over so that I won't have to actually rely on it to work. It's pretty sad that it's less reliable than a SegaCD or a PCE CD. Double bummer that it can't be fixed by simply flipping it upsidedown like the early PS1s.-
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I think this was the idea behind their choice of hardware this time around, being more scalable and in-house will let them maintain future BC. Same can be said for the PS3 as well, just upgrade components with minimal R&D to develop something from scratch. Also remember that article on how they might even "improve" 360 games on the next console?
With Xbox it was all OTS hardware which was more expensive in the long term and also not as scalable.
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I bought a PS3 when MGS4 came out, and to date I have only ever played two games on it: MGS4 and LBP.
There simply isn't anything else out on it that I want that I don't already have on 360, and it seems like the 360 has more good exclusives that I want than the PS3 does. :|
The only game I can see myself caring about on the PS3 in the future are:
- FF13 (or whatever number they're up to)
- MGS5
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I warned my friend who I sold my 1st 360 to about putting it on the floor that's carpeted and right next to a cat litter box for two cats.
It RROD within 3 months and it was a launch console I sold when the Elite came out. I routinely dust the entertainment center and dust the 360 with compressed air. Probably once a week. Also the room is hardwood flooring so dust is minimal to begin with. -
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Yeah, despite having 1 RROD my 360 has still given me more hours of entertainment than my PS3 has.
I doubt even now that my PS3 has clocked in the hours my 360 had done when it RROD'd 18 months ago.
Still, if you've had a 360 for ages, and can only have one console and not both, then it's not too insane to switch to a PS3 and try out some of the exclusive you've missed out on. Though IMO only a couple of the exclusives are really worthwhile, the controller sucks (though the d-pad is less bad than the 360's for the few games/genres where that might matter), and the online/friends/messaging/invite stuff sucks. Not everyone feels the same though, and you can always switch back if you don't like it.
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What is this, 2007? There's more games on the PS3 that interest me personally than the 360 at all. Oh, Halo and Gow, zzzzz.. I couldn't even make it past the 1st level of GoW it just bored me to tears.
uncharted
MGS4
Wipeout HD
Resistance 2
Killzone 2
Little Big Planet
and soon, God of War 3, infamous, MAG, Uncharted 2, all kinds of games coming that are exclusives and you still get to play the big name 3rd party titles. Cod4, Rock Band, Guitar Hero, Bioshock, Fallout 3, GTA4, all of those are on the PS3. I'd EASILY trade quality hardware and peace of mind any day for minor improvements in 3rd party software. We have a 360 and turn it on only for Netflix nowadays. I'm afraid to even look at it funny.-
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no, it's a pretty stupid post. watch:
What is this, 2007? There's more games on the 360 that interest me personally than the PS3 at all. Oh, MGS4 and Killzone 2, zzzzz.. I couldn't even make it past the 1st level of MGS4 it just bored me to tears.
Halo 3
Gears of War 1/2
Forza
Fable 2
PGR 4
and soon, Halo ODST, Alan Wake all kinds of games coming that are exclusives and you still get to play the big name 3rd party titles. Cod4, Rock Band, Guitar Hero, Bioshock, Fallout 3, GTA4, all of those are on the 360 with exclusive DLC no less. I'd EASILY trade quality games and great online any day for minor improvements in movie playback. We have a PS#and turn it on only for Blu-Ray nowadays. I'm afraid to even look at it funny.-
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Which is what the poster did that I responded to. Which is what most folks around here do. 100% fully dismiss the PS3 and it's library which is just sooooooo 2007. I'm glad you enjoy the mediocrity of Forza, PGR4, Halo 3, and can actually sit through GoW 1 and 2, but they do not hold a candle to what the PS3 offers and it's a shame many people haven't enjoyed both. I have and make my judgements based on that. Have you spent longer than a few hours on a PS3, derelict515? Have you played MGS4 (it was only the GOTY) and Killzone 2? I've played Halo 3 and Gow 1, after playing many, many PS3 titles and not only did both games look atrociously ugly compared to Uncharted even, they were dreadfully boring. Can we talk about that? How hype has sold more than quality on a certain console or is it only cool to knock the PS3 and then hammer anyone that defends it?
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basically, 2.0 is internet content in the special menus and more permanent memory in the player. There are no more planned changes to the blu ray spec, and the 2.0 change had nothing to do with movie playback. For some discs, like "The Spirit", the studio is using the net connectivity to update promotional content rather than actual disc content, but the server it connects to isn't active most of the time, so people think their player just froze during a firmware update and they bricked their player. I view 2.0 content as a little bit like a pandora's box right now, and don't see much advantage to the net connectivity.
For most people, profile 1.1 players will be fine. For example, the Pioneer 51fd player can be found at places for $199 right now. That's insane value, and a pending firmware will decode DTS Master Audio codec, so all codecs will be decoded internally on this player. This player retailed for $400+ 6 months ago. DVD upscaling guts are second only to players by Oppo Digital.
If you are going to use the PS3 as mostly a bluray player:
Pro's
-Has the highest compatibility with the bluray discs out there. Making the next gen movie formats run on Java was absolutely retarded, created tons of issues where certain players won't play certain discs, but the PS3 is the absolute best in this regard.
-Sony has been upgrading the firmware (so squashing any movie playback bugs) pretty consistantly.
-Fastest bluray load time in the market. Seconds and not minutes like most players on the market. A lot of people don't realize that it can sometimes take up to 2 minutes before a movie is loaded in stand-alone blu ray players.
-Menu navigating is snappy, early bluray players this was a problem, but now most are even
-Descent DVD upscaling
Cons
-Heat. If its in a cabinet, the fan can be too loud for home theater enthusiasts
-Having to control the player with a blue tooth remote or an extra device that will let the ps3 talk with a standard remote. Harmony's official accessory is finally out and costs $70 online. Cheaper alternatives exist, but don't power the PS3 on or off, so macro's are fucked on a universal remote.
-Its still not as wife friendly as a stand alone player that you just put a disc in and wait.
My Panasonic BD60 has net connectivity turned off, I don't ever need the feature, and its one less network cable to run downstairs. FIrmware updates work just fine by burning a disc when needed.
The problem with bluray movies in general right now is calling it a "standard" is pretty much a lie. Different studios code their java menus differently and it can make different players load things in different times or freeze all together. Manufacturers are stuck having to release band-aid firmware releases to fix issues that weren't caused by them; they are caused by studios making their discs a little different (off standard).
I can't really suggest bluray to any of my friends yet because is it still so quirky with updates and freezes. Every disc I get from netflix I have to worry if this one will play. 98% of the time, they do.
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What's the best standalone player to get? I remember I was looking at one earlier this year, but the one I wanted (I think it was a Panasonic?) that everyone said was the best had been discontinued to make way for the new model. They were sold out, so I just sat on it. It's been a few months now, though, so what's the affordable hotness?
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bluray movie quality will be the same with just about every player. The differences from the players will be in:
-manufactueres are adding extra features to separate themselves from the pack, such as netflix "instant now" playback, amazon HD movie rental capabilities, Dixv playback, USB thumbstick media playback, and even network media playback
-movie disc compatibility, which relates directly to how much of an effort the companies are putting into firmware updates to solve the quirky disc issues created by movie studios elaborate menus
-DVD upscaling quality
-build quality
-remote contol quality
I would suggest Panasonic or Samsung due to how they are staying on top of getting most movies to play. Just get what you can afford, make sure it is at least profile 1.1 bluray.
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A lot of it is the 'repairs' MS does are a band aid, and these systems will fail again. Supposedly if you really want to fix the systems that have these problems you have to void your warranty and install new screws on the mobo so the CPU stops separating when it overheats. I'm tempted to do this if I get stuck in the system getting shitty 360's back...
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