Stuff That Sucks: Giving Up On Xbox One?

Oh no! Greg is back from E3 2016! Outrage confirmed.

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Greg Burke stews about Microsoft's Xbox product roadmap on this week's Stuff that Sucks. Please take a look.

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    June 23, 2016 4:20 PM

    Shack Staff posted a new article, Stuff That Sucks: Giving Up On Xbox One?

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      June 23, 2016 4:59 PM

      Thanks for sharing your viewpoint. I gotta say I don't really agree with most of it, though!

      - MS clearly wants to establish an "Xbox" platform here, one that will include products at multiple price points. All games will be coming out on both Xbox One and Scorpio (for a while, at least). I don't understand why you think no one will by an Xbox One S when it will cost almost half of what Scorpio will likely cost, and even less once November 2017 rolls around. If I want a nicely priced 4k Bluray player, don't have an Xbox One, and would like to play the new Gears, it could make sense at $300 or less.

      - They announced they will be selling two consoles on the same platform for the first time ever, but you think they are abandoning their console? That is an expensive exit strategy.

      - I don't think that consoles compete with PCs in the mass market as much as they do in our niche gaming community. I'm sure MS has data indicating what percentage of Xbox players also play games on their Windows PCs, historically. Clearly what data they have does not worry them, as they are making all games available on Windows 10. Personally, I use Mac laptops exclusively, so consoles make a lot of sense for me. Not everyone has a Windows 10 PC, let alone one that is powerful enough to run the latest games, and that is hooked up for couch-centric multiplayer gaming that console players are used to.

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        June 23, 2016 5:58 PM

        Good points

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        June 23, 2016 6:26 PM

        However, I still don't see a point of buying an Xbox One or Xbox One S with the promise of a New Xbox Console next November. As well as all the games being playable on PC as well as Xbox, I see people diving into PS4 as there go to console. And anyone on the fence about getting a Next Gen gen Console, will just skip Xbox and Get a PC or just by a PS4. Which has been dominated the market share the last year.

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      June 23, 2016 6:29 PM

      I don't think the Xbox division was profitable enough for Microsoft. It's solely why we saw this hard push from them during the unavailing years ago to 1. Diversify their audience with TV,TV,TV, showings and 2. go for a hard push on services by making internet connectivity a REQUIREMENT for the device. Since all that failed really hard for them, they've spent this entire generation trying to backpedal. But like I said when they made all those announcements at the E3 showing years ago. Irreputable damage has been done to the brand. It will take a lot to fix that.

      Microsoft branching out to Windows 10 does two things. It helps sales of these exclusives, which they still are. You're required a Microsoft product of some form to experience them. It just isn't exclusive to their Xbox hardware. It also gives extra value to Windows 10 (to a certain audience), while creating a space for them to work on UWP. UWP is about the only thing I think Microsoft has the right idea about. I don't know if they can bring it together, but it's definantly the right idea, and they've been pushing it since the 360, and Windows Phone 8. I don't know if you guys remember XNA and this idea of all applications work on all Windows devices as long as you have the processing power.

      It does hurt Xbox, but I think Microsoft is looking at a bigger picture. I think Xbox has been a money pit for them all along, and they were extremely aggressive to turn that around this time, and like many things Microsoft has been touching lately it's with a terribly wrong heavy handed approach.

      The S I think is a long term strategy. We're talking about something that could hit a 180 dollar price point, and doesn't cost a ton for them to make. Now you're at least in their eco system. It won't appear to those with lots of expendable income, and who are after the "best", but how about you've got 3 kids, and maybe now they all have Xboxs and don't have to share.

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        June 24, 2016 5:24 AM

        I think the thing has always been that Microsoft could afford to lose money on Xbox in the short term because it was part of their larger overall strategy to get in the living room as an expansion market.

        With tech companies the biggest thing is always when they make the product no one owns and suddenly everyone needs. In the start of the 90's not everyone had a PC. By the end of the 90's literally everyone had a PC, and they all ran Windows. Microsoft doubled its income every year because people who never had a PC went and bought one. In 2010 when the iPad came out almost no one owned a tablet. The vast majority of the tech consuming population now has a tablet. Between the iPad and the iPhone, Apple became the most profitable company on earth.

        So Microsoft branches out into new products that haven't hit feature saturation point yet. When the original Xbox came out, selling 2-3 million of your consoles in a year was considered a success, and five million was mind boggling. Now it's not even considered a good quarter.

        All is well, except this tablet thing put a serious hurt onto Windows sales. People (consumers) stopped buying PC's in the numbers they used to, and a number switched to Mac (the PC market keeps going down but Apple keeps selling an increasing number of Macs). They got so desperate that they came out with Windows 8, a version of Windows designed to run like a tablet. Went over like a wet fart in church. They're literally having problems GIVING Windows 10 away.

        So now they've kinda decided that helping Windows is more important than helping Xbox. Thing is they're going against Sony who isn't spread as thin and Nintendo, who makes its own gravity.

        On the upside, it means I can upgrade my PC and not miss much with the Xbone.

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      June 23, 2016 7:15 PM

      Your Diablo picture is crooked.

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      June 23, 2016 8:13 PM

      I thought it was weird initially how at the press conference they kept saying 'only on Xbox One and Windows 10' for all the games. I kept thinking "man, they sure are shooting themselves in the foot here. Who's gonna buy an Xbox now?".

      But for the average every day gamer having a good enough PC to run games on is not in the cards. They might as well have said only on Xbox One and Holographic Matrix Dream Box. Microsoft realizes they can gain a few sales they wouldn't get otherwise by throwing these games on PC and it makes them look more open and inclusive and gets them a little fake street cred when in reality they aren't any more open than Sony or Nintendo. And in the end they'll still millions more on Xbox One than on PC.

      I do think Microsoft is flailing around without much clear direction but I don't really see anyone else doing any better either. It's a very weird transitional time that I think will linger on for another 4-5 years at least.

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      June 24, 2016 1:13 AM

      I felt like Microsoft's show was really smart, they've opened the Xbox game market up by pushing this new "Play Anywhere" program.
      Effectively increasing the Xbox install base to the millions of PCs with Windows 10, now they have an option for potential buyers of Xbox games who aren't willing to commit to a console.

      They announced a big, beefy, new Xbox for those who have (or are considering) a 4K TV and wan't to make the most of it, but don't want to deal with a PC.

      And they announced a new, cheaper Xbox for those who don't want to deal with a PC and don't care about 4K gaming.

      Microsoft is definitely putting a lot of eggs in the 4K TV basket, so I don't know how well that will pans out, given the immediate rise and fall of 3DTV
      Their messaging post-show was pretty clear that Project Scorpio's intention is to run the exact same games as the other models, but at native 4K. Thus the compute power requirement.


      Sony on the other hand had a really strong showing for the first half of their conference, and then shot themselves in the foot with VR and limped to the finish. No big suprises really. But certainly at least a couple interesting looking games in there, like Horizon and God of War, even that Spiderman game sounds like it could be good.

      The lack of compelling exclusives was a problem for Sony going into this generation, but they're improving. And I'm slowly building a backlog of titles to dive into when I find the time.

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        June 24, 2016 1:48 AM

        I felt the same way. As someone who owns a beefy PC but none of the current consoles, the Xbox play anywhere stuff was far, far more compelling to me than any of Sony's stuff. I still have no plans to buy any of the consoles, but MS might get some cash out of me for a game or two, which is more than they could say before.

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      June 24, 2016 1:54 AM

      I must say that page opening on a Edge, Shacknews.com looks like a mess. Is this a new design? Looks so bad. Also about 30% of the page is ads? I feel like puke-vomiting.

      Also I don't like video articles (except on Giant Bomb), but what the hell.
      Xbox One is doing just fine and it's a fine console!

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        June 24, 2016 3:03 AM

        Puke-vomiting? Is that like poop-shitting?

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      June 24, 2016 2:13 AM

      *tosses Xbone into fire*

      welp now what

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      June 24, 2016 9:30 AM

      i'm interested in an xbox one s. i am not interested in a scorpio.

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        June 24, 2016 9:39 AM

        that being said, i use my pc to play a lot of dota and a few other games. however, my brother doesn't play pc games, so i have a 360 laying around to play with him.
        with this reduced price and smaller xbox, we've both talked about getting a slim and playing together more.

        even if i don't get a xbox one, he still has incentive to buy a new xbox so he can play with me on my pc

        that seems like a really smart move on Microsoft's part.