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    September 22, 2008 6:02 PM

    War!

    So how much do the level differences in this game matter? If I joined you guys and didn't play all the fucking time, would I ever be able to quest/raid/whatever with you? Or would the level differential be too great?

    I'd like to get into a fun MMO, but I don't have a shitload of free time. So the more skill based (and the less, lol this dude plays 24/7 so he rapes me) it is the better.

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      September 22, 2008 6:13 PM

      You really just need to get to 40 and then you can be reasonably useful.

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        September 22, 2008 7:00 PM

        Wtf, seriously? This is exactly the opposite of the mentality I want.

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          September 22, 2008 7:01 PM

          heh no kidding, I would love to play it but I could probably only do 4 hours a week, and I already have a huge backlog of games to play

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          September 22, 2008 7:02 PM

          So, you are worried about not having enough time to dedicate to the game taking away from your game play experience, but since being able to play casually makes you reasonably useful that is not what you want? huh?

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      September 22, 2008 6:26 PM

      As far as I can tell, level difference is much less of an issue than gear + skills.

      In scenarios, your rank gets buffed to higher levels to make you more viable (level 8 in T1, level 18 in T2, etc), but since you lack the higher DPS weapons and higher stat/armor/wounds equipment, you're still much squishier. You also will lack whatever abilities you would gain by hitting that level, which can be a pretty big deal (especially in T1, where certain classes get kickass AOE at level 10).

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        September 22, 2008 6:39 PM

        Translation: You need to play all the time to keep up or you'll get raped because you ain't got the phat lewtz. FUCK YOU PEOPLE WITH BUSY LIVES! FUCK YOU RIGHT TO HELL!!!

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          September 22, 2008 6:44 PM

          they need to make a server where you can only play for exactly 45 mins max per week :/

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          September 22, 2008 6:47 PM

          No, it's not so much that. You'll get the gear naturally through leveling and playing the game (at least, that's been the case for me so far).

          It's just that the difference between a level 11 guy who has been artificially brought to level 18 for the RvR scenarios, but is still using his level 11 skills, and his level 11 gear, is pretty huge when compared to the guy who is *actually* level 18, and has the corresponding gear and skills.

          One thing I've noticed is that you can still contribute to your team simply by playing smart. The lower level guys can do well manning placed weapons (like the bolters on one of the T2 maps), or getting higher level players debuffed. Also, lower level healers seem (at least to me) less gimped than lower level DPS/tank classes.

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          September 22, 2008 6:54 PM

          Translation: the difference between a lvl 11 and 21 is somewhat alleviating when the lvl 11 is artificially made into an 18, but not completely. Once players are all 40 the gear gap wont be that huge.

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          September 22, 2008 6:59 PM

          That's exactly my problem, and exactly why I won't get it. =(

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            September 22, 2008 7:04 PM

            You and me both, brickmatt. I don't play games to be frustrated. I play them to unwind, which I guess has made me a more casual gamer as I get older, and I play a lot more single player games. It's also why I've lost interest in playing TF2. I don't have the time to play and get those unlocks. It's all incredibly disappointing to me. On the upside, it keeps me from paying monthly fees to play a game, so there's that.

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              September 22, 2008 7:20 PM

              you guys have created your own reality here instead of reading the replies :P

              You can log in once a week and run some scenarios in <30 minutes if you want. That will increase get you experience and it will increase your renown (or pvp level). As your renown goes up you can go to a renown gear merchant and purchase decent gear for whatever level you are.

              Or you could easily do a few player quests in <1 hour to get some good gear.

              Of course the best part of MMOs is playing with groups of people you know, so if all shackers are up at level 40 and you're flailing around at level 5 on your own obviously it's not going to be fun.

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                September 22, 2008 7:23 PM

                public quests I mean, not player quests

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                September 22, 2008 7:23 PM

                I dunno about brickmatt, but I've found that people who play a game a lot have an inability to properly gauge how little time is actually needed to invest in the game to make it worthwhile, and they usually estimate way lower than the number actually is. In this thread, hamachi's opinion probably carries the most weight for me, as he says he's a casual player... but I'd also like to know what he means by that - how long does he play where he'd consider it casual?

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                  September 22, 2008 7:26 PM

                  I played it casually throughout the open beta.. and did just fine and had fun. Generally playing less than an hour per sitting.

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                    September 22, 2008 7:29 PM

                    how many sittings, how frequently?

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                      September 22, 2008 7:33 PM

                      You seriously just need to get over yourself. At no point did I ever feel useless playing the game. At points it was frustrating when their entire team was better than my entire team, but outside of that occurring it was fine. I do not see the frequency of playtime matters at all.. but okay.

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                        September 22, 2008 7:36 PM

                        It matters a lot. Basic math. If you play 45 minutes 6 days a week, and I play 45 minutes twice a week, you are playing 3 times longer than I would and it allows me to gauge the amount of time required to invest in the game. Your failure to comprehend that is really not my problem.

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                          September 22, 2008 7:37 PM

                          You are also tier 1 playing against other tier 1 players and I am tier 4 playing against other tier 4 players. You clearly do not have an understanding of how the game works, so I do not see why you are advising other people if they should play or not.

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                            September 22, 2008 7:42 PM

                            In any game, and especially in a game that has a monthly fee, information as to both the amount of time needed in one sitting to accomplish something and the frequency of log-ins is always relevant, regardless of the type of game or the game's mechanics.

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                              September 23, 2008 2:09 AM

                              Log in as little or as much as you want, you won't be worthless. The game buffs you to a higher level if you're low. You're not quite as useful as someone who is actually that level, but you do more damage, have more HP, and heal for someone of a higher level.

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                          September 22, 2008 7:48 PM

                          bean you would not enjoy this game. there. thread over!

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                      September 22, 2008 7:36 PM

                      Just to answer your question I probably played in total over 2 weeks like 6 or 8 hours.

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              September 22, 2008 7:22 PM

              dude. read the replies and stop being a douche. you can play casually and still have fun. insane retards will always have better stuff, but it's really really easy to get gear that is almost as good. you just play the game and it gives it to you.

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              September 22, 2008 10:28 PM

              Huh, ditto on TF2. I farmed a few one evening but I don't have all of them and being at a disadvantage like that kills my interest in the game.

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          September 22, 2008 7:42 PM

          troll ftw

          he could roll a char, play for 30min every night in pvp, and do just fine for about 2 years.

          When he hits level 32 of 40, it might become and issue, as he'd be in with the general population, at which time he could roll any of the 19 other classes and start over

          and chances are he'd be fine out in the battleground even at 40 in low level gear, as long as he was partied with shackers.

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        September 22, 2008 7:09 PM

        I disagree. Gear is very easy to get, and is often a function of level. Gear is gained via PQs, which you do when leveling up, or Renown Rank, and renown gear is costs a trivial amount of money.

        Level and the associated abilities are far more important, imho.

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          September 22, 2008 7:13 PM

          Yes, but what I'm saying is that the artificially ranked up characters are lacking the gear appropriate to their pretend level, so they are at a further disadvantage. A level 18 that's really level 11, and a natural level 18 will have the same stats, it's their gear and abilities that will make the 18 win.

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            September 22, 2008 7:27 PM

            Right, but the investment to get to 18 isnt really anything that severe, and when they get to that level they can buy their gear.

            Its not like WoW where people can spend months and never get geared out and are always behind the curve.

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        September 22, 2008 8:15 PM

        I don't see how you can think Gear matters that much

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          September 22, 2008 8:20 PM

          well it certainly mattered when you got all the t2 gear at RR11. People in that gear were basically unkillable in scenarios. That doesn't happen since they spread it out across the entire level range though.

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            September 22, 2008 8:31 PM

            Well, I get the technical aspect of it, but my point is, its so easy to fucking trip on the stuff, and there's not a lot either, that in regards to most players, it wont ever matter. WAR is a game of skill, especially when you have a group that knows how to RvR together effectively, taking in account each other's abilities.

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              September 22, 2008 8:50 PM

              it's going to matter at the level cap as well. The difference between RR40 and RR80 gear is... very large.

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      September 22, 2008 6:42 PM

      it takes so long to level in this game. I've played around 40 hours i think and my shaman is only level 18.5. you'll probably be soloing to catch up unless there are a bunch of lower level guys to play with and that gets boring fast. RvR scenarios can suck really bad depending on how good your team is, so it's not that great for experience.

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      September 22, 2008 6:42 PM

      i'm worried about getting left behind myself :(

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      September 22, 2008 6:45 PM

      You should try out Progress Quest then, doen't take up your free time.
      http://progressquest.com/


      :)

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        September 22, 2008 7:01 PM

        I'll also be surprised by goatse and find lolcats funny.

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      September 22, 2008 6:46 PM

      It evens you out to a respectable level for scenarios, but you are definitely weaker than someone that is actually that level.

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      September 22, 2008 6:55 PM

      There will always be an advantage for those who play a lot as long as there is loots and/or levels.

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        September 22, 2008 7:01 PM

        Sure, but if the difference is minimal I'm interested. It apparently isn't, so I'm not.

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          September 22, 2008 7:18 PM

          It really depends on team make-up, since you'll rarely be going one on one. If you're on a team that's all low level, you'll get steamrolled and not have much fun. If things are fairly balanced, the fact that you're not high level is largely a non-issue.

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          September 22, 2008 7:19 PM

          you'll be fine. I'm pretty casual and I'm totally digging it. there are enough shackers on every night to help out RvR or PQs with mw

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          September 22, 2008 8:02 PM

          It's not as big a deal as people are making it. A bit of skill goes a long way to balance things out, plus you'll have the advantage of hand-me-down loot via guild channel which will give a foot up... and really that's only at the low-end of tier. By the time you're mid-late, you'll be the bomb.

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            September 22, 2008 8:10 PM

            are you playing on badlands?

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            September 22, 2008 11:28 PM

            That's a good point about the guild, I hadn't thought of that. But isn't the guild server super busy? And wouldn't I be so far behind everyone would've chucked their hand me downs?

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              September 22, 2008 11:58 PM

              The funny thing about the game is that there is no level where you have nothing you can do in terms of PvP. As far as levels go, most people are not that far ahead.. most people are 10-25 or so. Getting to 10 is quite easy in like 4 days if you play a couple hours each day.

              Even if you joined a bit in the future you could still play with alts that people generally tend to make

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              September 23, 2008 12:01 AM

              I don't know about everyone else, but I haven't even decided on a main character to play yet. I suspect you'll see many guildmates around your level in the near future.

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          September 22, 2008 8:04 PM

          What else did you expect from an MMO? If there was a minimal difference between being lvl 40 vs lvl 10 then there wouldn't be much of an incentive to keep playing. It auto levels you enough in RvR so that you're competitive when playing with a team but you would have to be an idiot to think you can compete in 1v1 with someone 3 levels higher than you.

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            September 22, 2008 10:30 PM

            I expect MMOs will change some time, hence me asking!

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          September 22, 2008 8:23 PM

          if the difference was as small as you wanted, the hardcore people would be upset that they waste so much time. you will still have lots of fun with the game, even if you dont play much. the "bolstering" in pvp helps a lot, and you will still make a difference even without the best gear.

          there will always be low level shackers to run with, and the nice thing is you have ~10+ levels grace. so even at level 1, you can run with people at lvl 11 in pvp.

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      September 22, 2008 8:50 PM

      How did you install this on your iphone

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      September 22, 2008 11:33 PM

      Is War only available to download from D2D? I tried to order it but it said I'm region blocked (Japan) :(

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        September 23, 2008 12:02 AM

        You can get it as a digital download from the EA Store as well

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          September 23, 2008 1:16 AM

          Are you in this game yet Jbury?

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            September 23, 2008 2:06 AM

            I went to order it but my card was maxed out :/

            I'm going to pick up 2 copies on payday (next week) so my gf and I can play as we're getting a little burnt out on WoW :/

            I don't know how we got burnt out on wow because we don't actually play that much (our druids we're playing at the moment are only level 30) but everytime we play now we just.... don't really have fun. We are on a pvp server though and the ganking is way over the top which kills most enjoyment

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              September 23, 2008 2:34 AM

              Let me know how it is once you've had time to play. I miiiiight give it a try if you're really enthousiastic about it :)

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                September 23, 2008 2:41 AM

                haha ok :D

                I'm pretty sure I'll like it based on comments from others as I've always been a huge PVP fan since Ultima Online

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                  September 23, 2008 2:53 AM

                  But it's so fucking ugly :( (well, at least the beta was)

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                    September 23, 2008 3:39 AM

                    graphics don't bother me too much as long as the games fun :)

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              September 23, 2008 3:17 AM

              Join us on [EN] Worlds Edge Mountain if you go Order. :)

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                September 23, 2008 3:31 AM

                Het already said he went to order... oh wait =D Who's "us" btw?

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                  September 23, 2008 5:43 AM

                  Us = Node, Nodebug, Marmite, Genericuser and I

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                September 23, 2008 4:38 AM

                Jooooin usssss! :D

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                  September 23, 2008 7:39 AM

                  As a European, can I buy this game from Direct2Drive? As far as I can see I do, saves me a couple of bucks as well ^^

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                    September 23, 2008 7:47 AM

                    Never mind, it says this game is only available for download for customers from the USA and Canada :(

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                September 23, 2008 4:43 AM

                I actually have friends playing on Worlds Edge Mountain.... as destruction :P

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                September 23, 2008 6:23 AM

                I have couple low level chars as order on Worlds Edge. I can create a new one easily, which classes are needed? (My highest on destruction is DoK, so WP would be easiest and most familiar to me)

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                  September 23, 2008 6:40 AM

                  Play what you like the most :)

                  Actually we founded a guild (with 4 non shackers due to not enough people available - we met them via epic RvR battles - and after a few hours we decided to make a guild ). We got a couple of Ironbreakers, 2 Archmages, 1 shadowwarrior - so WP would fit in nicely :)

                  If you want an invite whisper me (Runzel) or genricuser (Laonair) or join the shackchannel ( /channeljoin shacknews).


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                September 23, 2008 6:33 AM

                I think I'll roll a Pyro nutter on world's edge - my IB ended up on Karak-Orrud with the goons. :/

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                  September 23, 2008 6:41 AM

                  Ah thats why you haven't been ingame ;)

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                    September 23, 2008 6:57 AM

                    TBH I'm only level 5 or something, jsut not been playing much. I'm taking a break from WoW, so while it's pretty cool, the level grind of WAR appeals less than finishing Crysis and CoD 4 finally.

                    Also, public quest are awesome but they totally succeed or fail on player numebrs alone. :/

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                      September 23, 2008 8:18 AM

                      Yes PQs are number dependent (at least the last stage) and while they are fun I have even more fun capturing and holding points in the RvR areas.

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                  September 23, 2008 6:43 AM

                  I've got a Witch Hunter at lvl 8 on there, I'm playing a destruction char on Karak-Izor with my gf as the destruction server marmite had a char on is always full. Will get her to go order on WE too.

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          September 23, 2008 6:01 AM

          Yeah, but getting it from the EA store would be dumb.

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            September 23, 2008 6:10 AM

            I agree, I got hellgate london from there and then had to format my computer and they wouldn't let me redownload it

            Thats why I never play Hellgate, I'd have to download it from some torrent site just to play my legal account

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      September 23, 2008 10:58 AM

      Reading the replies in this thread makes me want to vomit. All you "casual" faggots need to get over yourselves and just suck it the fuck up or just gtfo. Seriously. I work a full time job (read anywhere between 8-12+ hours 5-7 days a week depending on milestones), and I usually manage to find an hour or two a night to just log in and smash some face. No, I'm not the biggest fucking orc with the biggest fucking hammer of nerd slaying +1, but I play with my buddies and we work as a team and we do fine EVEN WITH LEVEL/GEAR DEFICIENCIES. Holy christ. The game is fun if you make some kind of effort to not be a total waste of bandwidth and contribute. Stop gauging whether or not you'll enjoy the game off random internet opinions on XYZ values of TIME OVER POOP SOCK INVESTMENTS. Either spend $50 to buy the game, roll a class you think sounds fun, and give it a try, or just go play something else that caters to your incredibly busy/more important life.

      I am a casual gamer. I play Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning. I have a level 17 Warrior Priest. I dominate people with better gear/levels/abilities/INSERT WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU THINK IS IMPORTANT just by working together with a trio of friends. People who shit in a sock are already level 40. I do not have to fight against said poopers of socks. I progress well enough and have decent gear for my time investment. I have fun.

      EO fucking T.

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        September 23, 2008 11:09 AM

        I should add this little anecdote.

        My friend has been pretty busy with work/other priorities, so hasn't had much time to play. Sunday, he logged in finally, and had just hit level 10 (he plays a dwarf Iron Breaker aka little metal ball of anger that never dies). He was technically at the top of the food chain for Tier1 RvR (level 1-11), but wanted to play with myself and another friend (both of us were 15 or 16, so technically right around the halfway point of Tier2(11-21)). So we grouped up, queued for some Tier2 scenarios, and proceeded to rape the ever loving buttsex out of everything including pre-made (read: entire teams composed of 1 guild) destruction groups. And my lil dwarven tank friend, with his 11 level/gear/ability deficiency MANAGED TO ALMOST ALWAYS PLACE IN THE TOP 3 OF DAMAGE DEALT.

        Now maybe this will all change once the majority of a server is in Tier4, and the poop sockers are in their mega purplez of buttslaying, but I doubt it. If you work as a team, make an effort to contribute, and don't just cry about not being the coolest kid on the block, you'll actually enjoy yourself.

        Anyway back to work.