Evening Reading

Everything has happened before, and everything will happen again.

No, I'm not talking about tonight's Battlestar Galactica premiere, but rather the gaming industry following yesterday's 2008 sales results.

After years of sitting at the bottom of the home console pile, Nintendo has risen once again to absolutely dominate the competition--something that hasn't been seen since the days of R.O.B. and the Zapper. And yet, I haven't actually played my Wii in months. What a confounding, conflicting era for Nintendo fans.

The news today:

From The Chatty
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    January 16, 2009 6:37 PM

    Cylons port side!

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      January 16, 2009 6:38 PM

      Oh dude, I better set up the Tivo.

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      January 16, 2009 6:38 PM

      fuuuuck it's so close. so close.

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        January 16, 2009 6:50 PM

        Question. When the Resurrection Hub was destroyed, were all the other Cylon models destroyed as well? Because we haven't seen them at all since the episode.

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          January 16, 2009 6:54 PM

          Odds are they are being careful since death now means death for them which, despite their being all about revenge is probably enough to convince them to not want to run into the combined forces of the fleet and rebels

          I'm guessing they'll show up soon enough, but I'd imagine they'll take awhile to stumble upon the super secret locations that the mystical signal had led to

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          January 16, 2009 6:54 PM

          They became mortal, which causes them to be more careful when attacking.

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      January 16, 2009 6:40 PM

      Prepare to jump...

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      January 16, 2009 6:43 PM

      There's Klingons on the starboard bow.

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      January 16, 2009 6:44 PM

      Who is the higher power?!?!?!

      The 5th Cylon?
      The Cylon God?
      Pythia?
      Vince McMahon?

      All will be revealed!

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      January 16, 2009 6:48 PM

      I can almost taste it

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      January 16, 2009 6:50 PM

      So much hype. How can. Possibly live up to it?

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      January 16, 2009 6:53 PM

      We have arrived... at Earth

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        January 16, 2009 6:55 PM

        To be fair, they only know the place they went to is the source of the transmission, the assumption was it must be earth, but that's really just them guessing

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          January 16, 2009 6:59 PM

          They checked the star formations against those they saw in the temple during Season 2. They know it's Earth.

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            January 16, 2009 7:01 PM

            oh fuck me for forgetting that, well there goes that =(

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      January 16, 2009 6:54 PM

      I'm calling it. Hotdog is the 5th cylon

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      January 16, 2009 6:57 PM

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        January 16, 2009 6:59 PM

        I'm going for Starbuck's mom, Pythia or Zak, in that order of likelihood, though an Adama parent wouldn't be too bad of a choice either

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          January 16, 2009 7:12 PM

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            January 16, 2009 7:13 PM

            unless we're staring at an overdone time travel plot, i think that cylons have been around alooooong time, which uh... i think was just shown on the screen actually

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        January 16, 2009 7:05 PM

        I still say everyone will turn out to be a Cylon.

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        January 16, 2009 7:07 PM

        O_o

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        January 19, 2009 1:02 AM

        Didn't they say somewhere that the final Cylon is a character we haven't met yet?

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      January 16, 2009 7:00 PM

      HERE IT GOES!

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      January 16, 2009 7:00 PM

      shhh it's on

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      January 16, 2009 7:00 PM

      ONE WILL BE REVEALED!

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      January 16, 2009 7:02 PM

      The last cylon is man!

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      January 16, 2009 7:07 PM

      Wtf ... where is my theme song?

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        January 16, 2009 7:07 PM

        crushed alongside the hopes and dreams of the combined colonial and rebel cylon fleets

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          January 16, 2009 7:08 PM

          So fucking bleak.

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          January 16, 2009 7:09 PM

          THE PRESIDENT WILL BE MAKING A STATEMENT IN DUE TIME! Right after she... kills herself in the bathroom.

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      January 16, 2009 7:09 PM

      I sense a time travel plot

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        January 16, 2009 7:12 PM

        Oh man I might be right

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          January 16, 2009 7:12 PM

          That would be so lame at this point

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            January 16, 2009 7:14 PM

            yeah they've already been beating "everything has happened before/it will happen again" so many times that time travel just seems like an easy out =(

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      January 16, 2009 7:09 PM

      I forgot how hard Sci-Fi commercials suck and how much it sucks to sit through them.

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      January 16, 2009 7:11 PM

      This crazy blue sepia filter thing is fucking with my eyes.

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      January 16, 2009 7:11 PM

      So Kara is the final Cylon? Sure looks like it

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        January 16, 2009 7:22 PM

        Yup. Damn.

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          January 16, 2009 7:23 PM

          no. the fifth wasnt in the fleet. unless they were talking about Kara-1 and not Kara-2 which we seem to be looking at

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            January 16, 2009 7:25 PM

            ^^^this

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            January 16, 2009 7:27 PM

            In my mind it's either Kara is a Cylon or time travel. I'll be pissed if it's time travel.

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      January 16, 2009 7:13 PM

      mind=blown

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      January 16, 2009 7:14 PM

      WE ARE CYLONS!

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        January 16, 2009 7:19 PM

        I'm waiting for talking Apes to ambush those searching the planet

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      January 16, 2009 7:15 PM

      He's a pepper, she's a pepper, you can be a pepper too! Except cylon =[

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      January 16, 2009 7:20 PM

      fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

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      January 16, 2009 7:20 PM

      Mind = blown ... again. So, Starbuck is alive and looking at dead Starbuck?

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      January 16, 2009 7:22 PM

      Keep in mind, this was probably intended to be the mid-season cliffhanger....

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      January 16, 2009 7:22 PM

      Lou Ashby in space!!

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        January 16, 2009 7:23 PM

        reposting that ashby is the best californication s2 character

        reposting that the guy who plays ashby rules

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          January 16, 2009 7:53 PM

          /agree

          everytime i see leoben, all I see is ashby banging mia and her excellent tits, and buttaface.

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        January 16, 2009 7:24 PM

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        January 16, 2009 7:26 PM

        Ashby > *

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      January 16, 2009 7:23 PM

      Why isn't bloody valentine 3d coming out on Friday the 13th?

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        January 16, 2009 7:25 PM

        Too much market saturation by then. Teens With Superpowers and In Love! will be out by then too.

        The Valentine's weekend only has so much teen drawing power to tap.

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        January 16, 2009 8:18 PM

        Because Friday the 13th is.

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      January 16, 2009 7:23 PM

      Hey a show about the warehouse from indiana jones.

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      January 16, 2009 7:26 PM

      Since that SVU episode with Anders in it, I only see him as a rapist.

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      January 16, 2009 7:27 PM

      Anders = Bob Dylan?

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      January 16, 2009 7:28 PM

      AAAGGGGGG GET OFF MY SHACK, I HAVENT SEEN IT YET (WEST COAST)

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        January 16, 2009 7:28 PM

        uhh its on right now even on the west coast im pretty sure

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        January 16, 2009 7:29 PM

        you could just close the window and not come back until we tell you its safe

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      January 16, 2009 7:28 PM

      I knew Roseline was a book burning Nazi.

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      January 16, 2009 7:30 PM

      snape kills dumbledore

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      January 16, 2009 7:31 PM

      How fucked up would it be to burn your own corpse?

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      January 16, 2009 7:31 PM

      Is this when the Ewoks sing?

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      January 16, 2009 7:32 PM

      bsg already hit "Lost" levels of not making sense and making stuff up, and now it is hitting "Lost" levels of garbage unreal actions? Kara makes one of the biggest scientific discoveries in the history the human race, and rather than telling anyone or showing anyone, she rolls it up and gives it a fire burial

      REST IN PEACE ALTERNATE KARA, I WONDER WHAT YOU ARE BUT IM NOT GOING TO TRY TO FIND OUT, ILL BURN YOU INSTEAD! BYE

      this is like arriving at earth and finding it nuked, and nuking it again rather than searching it for stuff

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        January 16, 2009 7:33 PM

        Well what the fuck would you have done? "Liar" <-- In before whatever you would say.

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        January 16, 2009 7:33 PM

        Starbuck hates Cylons and now that the seed of doubt has been planted in her that she is a cyclon she wants to get rid of all evidence.

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          January 16, 2009 8:08 PM

          yeah I can rationalize it like that too. And I can also tell myself that Kara is stupid so she would do something stupid. And I can also say she and everyone else walks around with unguarded cylons every day, and everyone except a handful of people already assume she is a cylon, and her biggest fear right now is leading humanity to its end, and everyone is wondering what is going on, and she just covered up something that could explain what is going on, and they only wrote her doing that because it causes interesting conflict and strings you along to watch more episodes at the expense of making sense. yeah there are a couple different options here, good point

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        January 16, 2009 7:35 PM

        Kara wanting the body studyied would totally be against her character though. Kara doing anything that isn't selfish/dumb without some crazy anagnorisis occurring beforehand or in response to making up for something stupid she did, likely while drunk is also against her character =(

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        January 16, 2009 10:34 PM

        It's what I would have done. I think it makes perfect sense.

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      January 16, 2009 7:33 PM

      tomservo is so wrong about Dee

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      January 16, 2009 7:34 PM

      Hey look, it is Mr. Gay-ta

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      January 16, 2009 7:34 PM

      I hate dee dot com

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      January 16, 2009 7:35 PM

      WHOA WHAT THE FUCK

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      January 16, 2009 7:35 PM

      HOLY FUCK

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      January 16, 2009 7:35 PM

      HOLY SHIT

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      January 16, 2009 7:35 PM

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      January 16, 2009 7:35 PM

      HOLY SHIT

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      January 16, 2009 7:36 PM

      HOLY SHIT

      GOD DAMN YOU TOM SERVO

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      January 16, 2009 7:36 PM

      "Frak Pak"? KFC?

      I don't even know how to react to this

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        January 16, 2009 7:37 PM

        I've got a bucket of fried chicken in my pants, wanna get greasy?

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          January 16, 2009 7:41 PM

          No

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            January 16, 2009 7:42 PM

            Legs, Thighs, Breasts ... frak pak makes more sense than you think.

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      January 16, 2009 7:36 PM

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      January 16, 2009 7:37 PM

      You've lost that loving feeling! Now it's gone... gone... gone...

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      January 16, 2009 7:41 PM

      Hahaha Bill is the new Tigh

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      January 16, 2009 7:41 PM

      Admiral Drunk!

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        January 16, 2009 7:42 PM

        ole bill adama hittin the bottle again

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        January 16, 2009 10:17 PM

        How the fuck does anyone function on that show? They are such massive alcoholics their livers should be dust by now.

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      January 16, 2009 7:46 PM

      That was pretty much awesome.

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        January 16, 2009 7:48 PM

        fucking shit, this show is back in superb form.

        i hope lost starts this strong.

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      January 16, 2009 7:46 PM

      This is just hard to watch. :(

      I think the rest of the series will be like this, too... :(

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        January 16, 2009 7:47 PM

        DO IT YOU PUSSY!!!

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        January 16, 2009 7:47 PM

        Seriously. This is incredible stuff, but I don't know if I would call it enjoyable.

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          January 16, 2009 7:48 PM

          what do you mean?

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            January 16, 2009 7:50 PM

            i dunno...BSG has always been dark, but this is just depressing and it's making me feel all sorts of uncomfortable. But again, it's amazing drama. Just a little more bleak than I was expecting.

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              January 16, 2009 8:35 PM

              I could see the show end with an epic last stand vs something or they end up giving up and all die together.

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                January 17, 2009 5:51 AM

                Go checkout the remake of "on the beach". Its an Australian movie about a global nuclear war, where australia is the last to be effected by radiation. It focuses on different people coming to terms with dying...its so fucking depressing.

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        January 16, 2009 7:49 PM

        the last scene will be each major character left alive abusing, drop kicking and shooting puppies while Anders strums out slow Hendrix tunes just to drive the sadness home

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        January 16, 2009 8:21 PM

        I agree ... it was painfully slow

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      January 16, 2009 7:46 PM

      HOLY FUCKING SHIT I HATE COMMERCIALS

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      January 16, 2009 7:47 PM

      Catch the frack up http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewTVSeason?i=300690225&id=300613896&s=143441

      So I haven't watched this show since Season one. I just watched this 12 min recap of season 1-4 and I'm pretty sure that I hate what I saw. I grew up on the original show as a kid. this stuff is an abomination :(

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        January 16, 2009 7:48 PM

        STFUEADAGAADIAFF

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        January 16, 2009 10:38 PM

        You watched a 12-minute recap of dozens of hours of drama? So basically you got none of the experience? I can't imagine why you wouldn't like it. (Seriously a short recap could be the exact same whether the show was awesome or made horribly)

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          January 17, 2009 4:52 AM

          They told the story. The story is awful, good boomer, bad boomer, Cylons that give birth, half Breeds. come the fuck on.

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            January 17, 2009 7:48 AM

            The mini series and up through half of season 2 is really excellent, then it goes sharply downward. I'd highly recommend the miniseries and season 1 to anyone though, it's really excellent.

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        January 16, 2009 10:50 PM

        omg dude, you stfu

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        January 17, 2009 9:32 AM

        Is there a way to watch this that does not involve itunes?

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      January 16, 2009 7:47 PM

      I am still upset about this "Frak Pak". I cannot and will not stand for this

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      January 16, 2009 7:49 PM

      oh man i want a full size viper. ill put it in my parking spot.

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      January 16, 2009 7:56 PM

      anywhere online I can watch this? (aside from torrents)

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      January 16, 2009 8:00 PM

      YES!!!!!

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      January 16, 2009 8:00 PM

      what the fuck she's dead

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        January 16, 2009 8:01 PM

        So you are made to think! BUM BUM BUMMMMMMMMMM *dramatic reverb*

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        January 16, 2009 8:02 PM

        which is why Deanna didn't ask for her back

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          January 16, 2009 8:02 PM

          well we know they can resurrect.

          so i guess we know what's in the opera house

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      January 16, 2009 8:00 PM

      OH MY GODS

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      January 16, 2009 8:00 PM

      WTF

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      January 16, 2009 8:01 PM

      WEAKSAUCE

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      January 16, 2009 8:01 PM

      wtf. That is seriously some weak shit.

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      January 16, 2009 8:01 PM

      What are the odds! What a twist =P

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      January 16, 2009 8:01 PM

      Damn...... wow

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      January 16, 2009 8:01 PM

      wat.

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      January 16, 2009 8:04 PM

      is this in HD in the states? in Canada it's SD :(

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      January 16, 2009 8:04 PM

      God dammit I knew I should've watched The Soup instead

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      January 16, 2009 8:05 PM

      ahhh so wtf is starbuck???

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        January 16, 2009 8:05 PM

        Time travel :(

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          January 16, 2009 8:07 PM

          i hope not :(

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          January 16, 2009 8:09 PM

          I highly doubt it.

          The one anomaly remaining is the opera house. I'm assuming that's where the final five are reborn, because that's what makes the most sense right now. It's not unreasonable to assume that the final five took Starbuck, cloned her, rebuilt the ship to detail, and launched her to bring humanity (cylonity?) to them.

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        January 16, 2009 8:05 PM

        harbinger of death

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        January 16, 2009 8:07 PM

        That's what the other 9 episodes are for.

        Well, that, and probably killing off the rest of the cast... :/

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        January 16, 2009 8:08 PM

        What is Starbuck? best answer I can think of: still an interesting character.

        for so long we've heard about how Starbuck is special and something unique, making her the fifth would just erase all of that

        i'd much rather have her be the first hybrid, maybe she's the "first union between the two" that all of the scriptures and such have been mentioning and the two new babies are just the new kids on the block who people happened to think were extra special

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        January 16, 2009 8:08 PM

        She is a Sylon. It's like a go-bot.

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          January 16, 2009 8:10 PM

          And that is what I get for not having installed greasemonkey on the netbook.

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        January 16, 2009 8:12 PM

        I bet Kara time traveled or some shit when she went into the eye and was the cause for Earth being nuked. That's why she is the harbinger of death.

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        January 16, 2009 8:18 PM

        well for one thing, the total number of cylons is information that came from the cylons we know about, and those same cylons have already proven to be fallible. If you asked them one episode ago how many centurion models there were, they would have listed a number one less than the new one they just dug up.

        Feel me here? There doesn't have to be only one "final cylon model" because there could be 20 more that they just don't know about.

        Within the rules we have now, Kara and Ellen and Tigh could all be the same kind of cylon. Writing explanations for why we have more information about some than others, and why some heard music and others didn't, would both be easier than explaining how warp drive works.

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          January 16, 2009 8:37 PM

          Kara is probably the Cylon god (or a constant of some sort) who is re-created to bring about the near-extinction of the human-cylon race so that they all meet up together at Kobol till the nuclear wastelands subside then, split up, and repeat the 2000 years of history where they all meet up again on Earth and then repeat the cycle yet again. Kara is the anti-Neo. She went into the storm which she had repeatedly dreamed about - programmed to find then time traveled or whatever and destroyed and nuked the cylons on Earth. She was recreated, met up again with Galactica and led them all to Earth so that the cycle could continue. Why... is the only question, but I bet that's how it goes.

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      January 16, 2009 8:05 PM

      :O

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      January 16, 2009 8:07 PM

      El. Oh. Fracking. El.

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      January 16, 2009 8:08 PM

      Incredible. Their choice in the final one gives a lot of room for exploration meanwhile the starbuck thing is still a huge wtf.

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        January 16, 2009 8:08 PM

        Unless Tigh's wife = old starbuck.

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          January 16, 2009 8:10 PM

          Starbuck also has a bunch of potential people as her father we never heard about, or as older versions of her mother

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          January 16, 2009 8:11 PM

          So you are saying there are Three starbucks? FFS

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            January 16, 2009 8:12 PM

            There are like a million boomers. I dunno. This seems kind of crack headed right now but I still have faith.

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          January 16, 2009 10:26 PM

          They fight like a couple.

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      January 16, 2009 8:09 PM

      Not going to say Battlestar is a bad show or poorly written or whatever, but I think my disappointment with the show the last couple seasons is due to the poor choices they've made. Tonight's episode was a good episode, but the big 'twist' (i.e., the final cylon) was fucking retarded. Out of everyone, that was probably the worst choice and frankly one that I think they only made because... "hey guys, who haven't the fans guessed".

      This show, very much in retrospect, had so much potential, I feel they blew it by not having "a plan".

      Also... KFC wants me to buy a "frak pak". Do they realize that "frak" is a synonym for "fuck"? I mean, am I getting condoms and a little packet of KY with this too?

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        January 16, 2009 8:23 PM

        lol you don't really think it is that simple if you think about it my man.

        they just gave away the biggest tease of the show and that is it? come on. dallas had a bigger twist than tigh having a vision and being partly wrong about it.

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        January 16, 2009 10:15 PM

        The other chances might not have made a lot of sense. Like...why didn't they seek out the other four? Ellen makes sense because she was dead.

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      January 16, 2009 8:15 PM

      Genjuro, you should know when the "WHAT THE FUCK" happened, Tomservo and I fist pumped at the same exact moment of time causing a rift in the universe.

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        January 16, 2009 8:17 PM

        SHUT UP >:(

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        January 16, 2009 8:27 PM

        Hehe the first thing I thought when it happened was "I bet the Shack will love this".

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      January 16, 2009 8:27 PM

      So if Helen is the final cylon... and Tigh already killed her a while back... what does that mean for the show? I thought there was only one each of the final 5. I guess that must not be the case.

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        January 16, 2009 8:29 PM

        Something (a device?) brought Kara back, perhaps the same is true for Helen.

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        January 16, 2009 8:30 PM

        I think that's what the cliffhanger was -- Ellen said that everything was already in place. What is in place will be found out in the next 9 episodes.

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        January 16, 2009 9:05 PM

        She's gonna be reborn as tigh's daughter

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      January 16, 2009 8:39 PM

      here's a simple pickle I've been putting on my cucumber: lee saw kara's viper explode in a storm on some planet. kara found her exploded viper pieces on another planet far away, apparently having fallen from the sky.

      how did the exploded viper debris get from the sky of one planet to the sky of another?


      That is a pretty simple thing and I'm wondering where the writers could possibly go with that.

      Assuming what I said above holds up, the only reasonable explanation I see is that either there is a device hidden in the storm that teleports shit from A to B, or there is a star trek space/time phenomenon there that teleports shit from A to B. The unreasonable explanation being "magic"

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        January 16, 2009 8:46 PM

        The Star Trek idea is problematic... the Galactica will have a hard time cracking that nut without the all powerful deflector array that the Enterprise uses to accomplish everything from time travel to tuning in the Spice Channel.

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        January 16, 2009 8:54 PM

        Maybe she was gathered up and brought back by the same device that is responsible for making a copy of her. She did say she saw something moving in the cloud where she exploded.

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      January 16, 2009 8:46 PM

      One thing is not clicking for me.

      Baltar says that from analysis, the skeletons they found were Cylon. Now if everyone was a Cylon, wouldn't he see nothing but normal 'human' physiology? Unless humans are a completely different creation by the Cylons? And what purpose do the seven models serve? They are limited in emotional capacity, unlike the Five, they seem completely outdated and useless.

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        January 16, 2009 8:54 PM

        yeah none of what you just said is explained well. they matter-of-factly said they checked the bones and they were cylon. so while the old cylon detector didn't work, now they apparently have a new one that nobody mentioned until now. which means they can now check fleet members, or at worst dead fleet member bodies, to see if they are cylons. oops this is zig zagging off into not making sense ahhhhhhhh kaput.

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          January 16, 2009 8:55 PM

          The "new" cylon detector could be boned based, and you can't exactly do a detailed examination of bones while they're still in the person...

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            January 16, 2009 8:59 PM

            sure you can, it is called a biopsy! and besides, I included the dead body option to head off a reply such as yours. if you want to write that the detector doesn't work on living people, then you can still use it on a fleet member corpse, of which there are plenty.

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              January 16, 2009 9:00 PM

              I think the most likely case is that it came from the cylons. They would know best how to find cylon DNA or whatever.

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            January 17, 2009 1:24 AM

            The cylons did seem to like to bone everyone.

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        January 16, 2009 8:54 PM

        They seemed to hint at the idea that the final five Cylons invented the resurrection technology knowing that Earth would eventually be destroyed. For all we know the Earth cylons could have been extremely close to regular people -- able to reproduce and do everything else humans can do, just with a Cylon twist. If that's the case, then it could easily be that the skinjob cylons were experiments some of the final five were conducting to resurrect their destroyed civilization, and the cylon experiments in breeding were toward this goal (even if they didn't actually know it).

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          January 16, 2009 8:57 PM

          Ah shit, it all snapped into place. Earth cylons were simply humans. They were tinkering with creating life, thus the machine --> humanoid cylon ---> natural human progression, others on the planet didn't agree (the twelve colonies), and left in the wake of massive civil war. By this time they had access to immortality, or certain ones did. Perhaps it being that the final five worked in the place where Ellen and Saul apparently did, some place that created the ability...

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      January 16, 2009 8:51 PM

      is there anywhere to watch it online yet?

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      January 16, 2009 8:53 PM

      just when you thought BSG couldnt get more emo good episode

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      January 16, 2009 8:56 PM

      Is it in HD this season?

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      January 16, 2009 11:01 PM

      Oh man, and to think that the season 2 cliffhanger was considered "dark". Those BSG writers are sadistic fucks, haha.

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        January 16, 2009 11:06 PM

        Next week the ship piloted by kittens blows up when it crashes into the ship full of puppies.

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      January 16, 2009 11:06 PM

      I love this thread.

      WTF
      HOLY SHIT
      WHAT
      WTF
      WTF
      DAMN

      My jaw dropped like three times during this episode, couldn't believe some of the stuff I was seeing.

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      January 16, 2009 11:43 PM

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        January 16, 2009 11:54 PM

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        January 17, 2009 5:59 AM

        Dude i actually think your the closest anyone has come in this thread so far. Its simple enough yet still a mind blowing story that could happen.

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        January 17, 2009 6:14 AM

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        January 17, 2009 6:15 AM

        That would be nearly as lame as time travel. The more I think about it the more sense it makes that Starbuck and Ellen are the same Cylon.

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          January 17, 2009 6:24 AM

          ooooooooooooooooooooooooooh

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          January 17, 2009 6:30 AM

          I was thinking six and ellen

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            January 17, 2009 7:18 AM

            That's another possibility and would fit in with the whole love affair Tigh and 6 had.

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              January 17, 2009 8:52 AM

              Which also means we still don't know who the real fifth is.

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      January 17, 2009 1:02 AM

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      January 17, 2009 5:06 AM

      And the episode is up on Hulu now as well.

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      January 17, 2009 11:37 AM

      I'd just like to say, the photography in this episode was excellent. The photography is usually solid, but this beats the work we saw on New Caprica and the Algae Planet by miles. The desaturated look was pretty cool looking too.

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