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indosauros

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April 2, 2010 5:12 AM

God help me I think I'm going to try Dwarf Fortress after starting that 43 part video tutorial on youtube posted yesterday http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koZUS2h-Yzc
- jonin
  
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  April 2, 2010 5:12 AM
  
  good luck
- Deathlove
  
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  April 2, 2010 5:14 AM
  
  43 part tutorial o_O
  - zipr
    
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    April 2, 2010 5:54 AM
    
    And they don't even get to the good stuff!
  - bolneze
    
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    April 2, 2010 6:06 AM
    
    lol yeah wtf
  - azenmaster
    
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    April 2, 2010 8:25 AM
    
    I got my butt eaten for pointing that out yesterday.
    - Deathlove
      
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      April 2, 2010 8:31 AM
      
      You don't have the kind of ShackCred that I do.
- zakazi
  
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  April 2, 2010 5:30 AM
  
  It's a good tutorial but holy crap 43 parts is just crazy.
  - dirge23
    
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    April 2, 2010 5:59 AM
    
    seriously. DF is complicated but it's not that complicated.
    - Jinxplayer
      
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      April 2, 2010 6:09 AM
      
      They are good for people who dont know certin things. I watched a few of them when i was first starting out and they were a great help.
      - dirge23
        
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        April 2, 2010 6:33 AM
        
        sure, but still, 43 parts sounds more like "comprehensive walkthrough" rather than "tutorial"
- Goncyn
  
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  April 2, 2010 7:59 AM
  
  Ok guys, new version, how the hell do I start farming in a reasonable amount of time? I got so used to how easy it was in 40d that I'm not sure how to approach it now. Do I need to use floodgates and drain a lake? Isn't there a way to do it with buckets? I couldn't figure it out last night.
  - dirge23
    
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    April 2, 2010 8:01 AM
    
    do pond zones not work? also you could just mine straight into surface ponds and farm in the spillout
    - dirge23
      
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      April 2, 2010 8:01 AM
      
      (i haven't had time to actually play yet but this is what i would try)
      - Goncyn
        
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        April 2, 2010 8:04 AM
        
        I could drain a surface pond without trying to be neat about it just to get started, I guess. My main concern with that is I don't like creating additional entrances to my fortress. Sure you can wall it back up, but I never quite trusted the game not to let something sneak in once I've breached the surface.
        
        How do pond zones work? I attempted to create a pond zone on the area I wanted to farm but it said (0) valid tiles.
        
        dirge23
        
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        April 2, 2010 8:08 AM
        
        dig a pit with channels and then make it a pond zone. your dwarves will fill it with buckets of water.
        
        dirge23
        
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        April 2, 2010 8:11 AM
        
        to clarify, the "zone" should be the open space over the pit, or maybe the squares around the rim, i forget
        
        Goncyn
        
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        April 2, 2010 8:12 AM
        
        Ohh, ok, that makes more sense I guess.
        
        dirge23
        
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        April 2, 2010 8:14 AM
        
        you can also use the same kind of zone as a "pit" where you can throw in caged animals. this is great for executing goblins caught in cage traps via exotic animals
        
        Goncyn
        
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        April 2, 2010 8:17 AM
        
        that explains why one of the screens I saw had a list of animals on it
        
        dirge23
        
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        April 2, 2010 8:18 AM
        
        in my best fortress i had a pit with a giant scorpion and a leopard in it, that was awesome.
        
        azenmaster
        
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        April 2, 2010 8:29 AM
        
        did they get along?
        
        dirge23
        
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        April 2, 2010 8:30 AM
        
        yep, they were buddies. i eventually had to retire them from the pit because they got too many war wounds
  - NexusOne
    
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    April 2, 2010 8:04 AM
    
    I would suggest outside farming with seeds from gathered plants.
    
    Or build your farm room one level below a pond so dumping it in there is easy.
    - Goncyn
      
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      April 2, 2010 9:08 AM
      
      but... plump helmets :(
- NexusOne
  
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  April 2, 2010 8:05 AM
  
  I wish you the best of luck. it is an awesome game. however right now will be the hardest time ever to start playing, as a fair amount of old info is now inaccurate. At least the wiki is getting updated pretty fast: http://df.magmawiki.com
  - dirge23
    
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    April 2, 2010 8:08 AM
    
    i'm gonna try really hard not to look at the wiki and just figure out new stuff on my own for a while
- [deleted] 1167568288
  
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  April 2, 2010 8:17 AM
  
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  - Goncyn
    
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    April 2, 2010 8:17 AM
    
    This tutorial is pretty good.
  - dirge23
    
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    April 2, 2010 8:18 AM
    
    ^^ this is the one i actually used to learn how to play
  - Mecha Tofu Pirate
    
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    April 2, 2010 8:58 AM
    
    So this is what I want to read if I want to try to get into the game?
    - dirge23
      
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      April 2, 2010 9:01 AM
      
      yep, that and the wiki ( http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Main_Page ), but be warned that the wiki is probably wildly out of date because many things have been changed for the new version.
- Goncyn
  
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  April 2, 2010 8:30 AM
  
  Has anyone explored an underground cavern in the new version? Fight any batmen? Stories!
  - dirge23
    
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    April 2, 2010 8:31 AM
    
    i'm super psyched that apparently there's almost always magma on your map now, but you'll have to work to harness it
    - Goncyn
      
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      April 2, 2010 8:36 AM
      
      Yeah, that's a good thing. My one game I started has a lot more readily accessible ore than usual, too. I don't know if it's a fluke or not, but there is a ton of iron ores and both kinds of coal exposed on the hillside, and I've been digging through oodles of it just from opening a few rooms to start in. I consider it a good thing if resources become less scarce while the military challenges increase. It's fun to make weapons and armor and equip armies!
      - dirge23
        
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        April 2, 2010 8:39 AM
        
        it seems like there's a sedimentary layer almost everywhere on the world map now, which means it's way, way easier to get fuel. iron ores are also common in sedimentary layers.
        
        Goncyn
        
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        April 2, 2010 8:48 AM
        
        I think I can already make steel and I don't even have a farm yet!