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  Why is Sony so angry about that? More people will buy a PS3 due to this, just think about the success of ... : matthaeus
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    pretty sure they actually lose money on the consoles themselves, and most of the money they make comes fr... : duffman03
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      Sony is making profits on PS3 hardware now : pancake humper
      • Not as much as they do on the software though. : uncleanmonkey
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        The business model still revolves around making money on the games : derelict515
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          no shit, I was simply telling duffman03 that Sony makes a profit on hardware now as well. : pancake humper
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            Yes, but Sony makes a profit on the hardware now. : Ebu
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              Their business model still relies on most profits coming from toiler paper sales : pancake humper
              • Just think of the lucrative cardboard tube contracts! : Ebu
    • maybe when it come out. no longer the case : moshman
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    If XBMC was ported to the PS3 with Bluray support, I'd buy another PS3 tomorrow. : TrulyVexed
    • Yep, and for every one of you, there's a hundred people who will never again pay for games. : uncleanmonkey
    • I'd buy one right now from Amazon Prime, sight unseen, if they even announced it. : jasonepowell
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    probably afraid of piracy. look at what happened with the PSP. i would assume they are trying to avoid ... : dantastic
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      Why DID that happen to the PSP tho? The R4DS made it ridiculously easy to pirate games on the NDS.. but i : TrulyVexed
      • some if it may be demographics too. the DS has a pretty large userbase of kids and regular schmoes who h... : mikecyb
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        The PSP has tons of great games on it. The problem with the PSP isn't the library, it's the console itsel... : roushimsx
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          Don't forget load times, battery life, and other charming features!
          
          When I look at the PSP games I own, half of them could have been done on the DS and I really wish they had been.

          Jan 14, 2011 2:46pm PST
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          Don't forget load times, battery life, and other charming features! When I look at the PSP games I own... : Fayk
          • Then you get to stuff that was done on the DS like Ys I and II and you feel kind of depressed that the DS... : roushimsx
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    they make their money on the games, not the hardware. look at what happened to the dreamcast : ninjase
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      The Dreamcast had piracy issues, but it's demise was much more related to the PS2 than anything. : Halen
      • True, but the piracy sure didn't help! : ninjase
      • I had over 90 dc games. I paid for twelve of them : -=kodiak=-
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      companies usually only take a loss on the console hardware for the first two years or so and then the chi... : mikecyb
      • Oh I know they make a small profit on the consoles (now), but that's not where the big moneyhats come fro... : ninjase
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    They're probably concerned (as am I) that this will dissuade developers and publishers from supporting th... : Ebu
    • Most likely people will simply be able to copy other people's legit or copied games or rented games, too.... : pyrogen
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      But how is this any different from other consoles, like the Xbox360? There are lots of people who downlo... : Faluzure
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        Don't you have to physically mod the 360 in some way? All you'll have to do with the PS3 is install a cu... : pyrogen
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          I'll give you that one. I admit that gaining access to the firmware is much easier than soldering a chip... : Faluzure
          • I think the point is that on the PS3 there's no risk of being banned from PSN, and you can run any code w... : uncleanmonkey
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        because this is undetectable by PSN. 360 games you can pirate but it requires a hardware mod and Microso... : mikecyb
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          For now anyway. Sony will find a way to detect pirated games, I'm sure. : Faluzure
          • Not from what I've been reading. Of course, that could be wrong. I would be surprised if Sony doesn't... : pyrogen
      • The compromised private key allows anyone to modify the PS3 firmware so it will do things like play games... : Arcanum
  • It allows thievery of games, multiplayer hacks, and the possibility of people fucking with the stock apps... : jingletard
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  I love the only donation to the hacker was from Sony. GENIUS : massdev
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    He wasnt even taking donations. They sent him a dollar on purpose to try to get him to accept it. : pancake humper
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      Oh believe me; I know. : massdev
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        I'm just still pissed at Sony for them suing the shit out of lik-sang.com and shutting them down :( : pancake humper
        • I miss lik-sang :( : VictoriouSecret
    • Lol wow : bolneze
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      Couldn't they argue that Sony was approving his work by sending him money? That argument doesn't seem an... : pyrogen
      • He should have taken the donation and put a big banner that says ENDORSED EXCLUSIVELY BY SONY. : TrptJim
    • *stratedge kisses pancake humper and then throws a loonie at him* PROSTITUTE! : stratedge
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  This temporary restraining order's only job is to get the information off the Web they must be new to ... : indosauros
  • Yeah. "Shit, the horse escaped! We'd better close the barn door!" : Arcanum
• or you know, could become the sweetest console ever : sreyes22
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  so what kind of cool things can you do with a jailbroken ps3 (besides pirated games)? is it as useful as... : crypt420
  • Install linux. Install anything you like. : duffman03
  • It's getting there. You can follow psgroove.com and maxconsole.net for a lot of the news regarding all... : pancake humper
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    I need some haxored demon's souls and GT5 savegame files!!!!! lolololol : Downforce
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      This could actually be fun for hacking games to find and unlocking unused content. Maybe we can find some... : Rehevkor
      • yep. and you can send me some haxored cars. or maybe I can buy my own if I haxor in megabucks! demon'... : Downforce
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    it basically becomes a PC : mikecyb
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      the best $300 PC : umegastar
      • Actually a good way to think of it lol : MercFox1
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        if you had 300$ to spend on a PC, would you get a PS3 or a pc? PS3 because of bluray? : azenmaster
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          I'd get the PC because the PS3 would only have 256mb ram usable by the OS and 256 available for 3d graphi... : melkore
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            thought so, thanks! : azenmaster
            • and linux media center? : umegastar
  • I can finally retire a PC of mine which is running XBMC. As opposed to running cables around the house t... : tboomer2
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  I can think of one technical way for Sony to potentially mitigate this. There's no way to completely fix... : Arcanum
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    Pulling a new key would be 100% trivial to get the first 1.5minutes it is on the console. There is no... : pancake humper
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      Yeah, if it's downloaded to an already hacked console I suppose it would be. : Arcanum
      • They wouldn't send the private key, though, obviously. : uncleanmonkey
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    I don't know enough about how the crack works but hasn't all the legwork been done thus making new keys b... : mikecyb
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      I know it had to do with Sony not using a random number in the key generation when they really should hav... : Arcanum
      • yeah but as I understand it the problem with generating a new private key is that all games that use that... : mikecyb
      • if you're interested in it, watch the fail overflow talk from a few weeks ago that made this public. the... : harold.johnson
    • The problem Sony has is we have the metldr key, the loader betwen lv0 and lv1 (we don't have bootldr/CELL... : TheStupidOne
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  So does this mean major publishers are going to run away from the PS3, since it's now RIPE for piracy? : u sir name
  • And end users who bought the thing for a functioning software ecosystem get screwed. I hate how intertwin... : HockeyJohnston
  • piracy is probably still a niche thing, I suppose they could make it real easy like a utility that rips g... : Chandler55
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    The xbox360 has been "ripe" for piracy for years... did it effect them at all? this is a stupid question. : GoldfishInAJarOfPickles
    • except with the PS3 it's now incredibly easy : zerog83
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  What will happen to online games now that people can run their own code on it? More hacks? : razlebol
  • There are SOOOOOOOOOO many cheats now on PS3 games because of this : pancake humper
  • Likely, though it may have to go the route of CD Keys / additional logins on the servers that you connect... : dedgecko
  • It's going to get bad. : BouillonCubes
  • Great... : Begawkiness
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  This probably could have been postponed if they weren't dumb and pissed off the hacking community by remo... : melkore
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    Also, hasn't the 360 been cracked for years? : melkore
    • Only for piracy, and it requires opening your box, as I understand it. : uncleanmonkey
    • Not for unsigned code no. The DVD firmware is the only thing "hacked" and all it does is let you play bu... : TheStupidOne
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    I don't really buy this argument. it's repeated as if this is some vengeful comeuppance but I imagine som... : boring gegtik
    • the guys who hacked it came out and said that was what finally motivated them to do it. they would have ... : mikecyb
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      They originally took it out because geoHot was using it as an attack vector. Regardless they were goin... : MercFox1
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        You guys are all wrong. Geohot ONLY started attacking the system when OtherOS was removed. : pancake humper
        • I'm pretty sure he was attacking the system before and that was the reason that, OtherOS was removed: ht... : Haxim
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        I just better not lose any kind of support/features due to Sony responding in somw way to this hack. : ShadowRam
        • Funny, as this hack is a response to Sony removing features. : TrptJim
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  I wonder if this is gonna force Sony to move up their plans for their next console. : ColoradoCNC
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    And get them to reintegrate OtherOS lol Personally, as bad as Sony looks like to some people, we need ... : MercFox1
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      Nah we really don't. : Mad Brahmin Disease
      • Competition is good. On the other hand, it's really hard to feel sympathy for Sony given the frequency w... : Arcanum
      • Yeah we do. I think it's great that there's competition in the console world. I do hate the fanboys, t... : Rice-Rocketeer
      • How is less competition ever, ever a good thing for the consumer? : rudds
      • We certainly do. Some of us don't like the 360. (Some of us are crazy and like having a console that ... : Ebu
• If I had an extra PS3 I would definitely try this, but it sounds like you'd lose all your save files at t... : slax0r
• Did they ever release a PS2 emulator for the PS3? (besides the models that had hardware emulation / hybri... : TrulyVexed
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  Is this like the Dreamcast days all over again? Or the later year(s) of the XBOX 1? Or worse? : Goto10
  • All 3 really. Dreamcast level where you don't have to do anything to the hardware of system. Xbox 1 l... : pancake humper
• Sony's fucked. What are their options though? 1.) Do nothing. 2.) Take legal actions against consu... : dedgecko
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  They'll probably just ban people from PSN if it's detected in the short term, I don't think they can do m... : jingletard
  • That's the thing though, they CAN'T detect it! : duffman03