Morning Discussion

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  I didn't know about this feature until now, but Audiosurf emails you if someone beats your record in Audi... : Matt Burris
  • Grrr. Nuke that below comment. Didn't see this. : Malku
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  Wait... What exactly does this do? I'm thinking about it but I don't want to embarrass myself. Alre... : Malku
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    Audiosurf is a game that takes any music of your's, or music from Audiosurf Radio, and builds levels out ... : Matt Burris
    • Dude that sounds kick ass :O : Malku
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      yeah but i still don't get it wtf is going on. he runs over the coloured blocks but some times he doesn'... : dantastic
      • The sometimes I don't is when i press the Mouse1 button down, arrows will show up and grab whatever is hi... : Matt Burris
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  seems like the boxes don't sync with the music very accurately : vynn
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    It very much depends on the song. Electronic music without lyrics makes the game play like reading your ... : Enkidu
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      It's cool how it can recognize changes in music and generate the boxes, peaks & valleys automatically but... : vynn
      • Yeah, if you could add in a few tags at key places in your favorite songs, that would make things better.... : Enkidu
• Played the beta when it was mentionned on the frontpage but didn't think it was really fun. It doesn't lo... : razlebol
• seems like it would be pretty cool......on weed : oatmela
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  hmm i might be paranoid with this.. but uh.. the Divx Web Player.. is it safe ? I hate all things ofic... : doomed
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    Here's a direct link. The web player is useless if you already have DivX or FFDShow or any equivalent Di... : Strabo
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      Dude, 170 megs. Matt Burris, what did you do?1! And thanks for sharing the link, i used to instal : doomed
      • I took a 4.2GB file that FRAPS recorded and used Dr. Divx to compress it down to that 170MB. Looks prett... : Matt Burris
  • I get so fucking tired of software that wants to install the Yahoo Toolbar : vynn
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    divx web player owns : aeg1x
    • I agree, I'm really loving Stage6. Quality owns YouTube and you can upload HD content with large filesiz... : Matt Burris
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  Wow, they did a really good job determining the difference in hi-hat vs cymbols. Secondly, they also did ... : Yanks
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    Also, how long does it take to analyze a given song? : Yanks
    • if i remember right in the weekend beta, it didnt take too long for the first time loading up the song. : -=kodiak=-
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      About 20 seconds or so in the beta. And it only needs to analyze a song once, then it remembers. : BlackCat9
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        Jesus god. That's pretty crazy as I'm doing very similar analysis of sound right now for other purposes a... : Yanks
        • It takes roughly 5 seconds on my machine to load a brand new song. Within 10 seconds I am playing. : pancake humper
        • there lots of room for improvement in their implementation, it picks up the beat well but thats about it.... : R.Cade
  • BPM analysis hard? i hope you are joking. : zagzig32
• I'm downloading the demo, but I still have no idea what's going on in that video. : Kaiser
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  Is Stage6 being slow or is it just me? : sanchez
  • slow for me too... : re4ctor
• looks pretty cool I may buy this :D : mikecyb
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  fuck steam. it's way too easy to buy and download games with this. If good games keep getting distributed... : mindmann
  • Steam and XBLA has turned me into one lazy ass gamer. :( Someone get me a twinkie! : Matt Burris
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  damn, that looks pretty awesome. it seemed to do a pretty accurate notes, or whatever (not totally sure h... : feek
  • I'm no expert, but it does analzye all songs that well as seen in the video. : Matt Burris
  • seemed like it was all on measures and then random hi hats / snares / fills. : zagzig32
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  What's your username, I need some friends. Mine's Nali4Freedom : Nali4Freedom
  • jtucc : lakren
  • mattjb : Matt Burris
  • mindmann : mindmann
  • feek : feek
• Awesome, an update to Audiosurf just came out: - Refreshes track graphics after a minimize - Spotligh... : Matt Burris
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  this game seems awesome from the demo. think im gonna buy it. : feek
  • purchased. it is indeed very awesome. : feek

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  Water with lemon as long as it isn't from waiters who don't wash their hands. : baronzemo78
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    do you follow your waiter to the bathroom to see if they washes their hands? : mindshot
    • Yes and no. : wozzeck
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  have you tried carbonated water? : ryuuseki
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    These with fruit flavoring in them are delicious. : Evil Benius
    • Although often artificially sweetened :/. I try to stay away from aspartame as much as possible. : ryuuseki
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  Water with lime in it is tasty. : Chepito.
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    I do this also . . . Lime > Lemon : fuzzydamnit
    • Yes, waaaay better. Half the time when I order it thought the waiter doesn't even listen and brings water... : eXcess
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  Beer. : Horn
  • IAWTP : krebster
• i juice apples and carrots daily : Chandler55
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  I'm finding that Gatorade G2 is good and it's low calorie. A 32oz bottle is only 100 calories. : mancide
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    Is it possible to drink too much gatorade? Last week it was the only thing I was drinking while recoverin... : sharkII
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      Gatorade is awful early in the morning. You really shouldn't drink Gatorade unless you are sweating or be... : pancake humper
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        gatorade is great early in the morning after a night of heavy drinking. : pyide
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          Yeah because you're dehydrated, thus why it works :) : pancake humper
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            exactly. it's got electrolytes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! : pyide
            • PLANTS LOVE IT! : mancide
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        Isn't Gatorade just water + flavoured sugar (e.g., Kool-Aid) + salt ? : TwiLyght
        • KoolAid packets have no sugar in them. You have to add the sugar to them/. : Galadriel07
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          I have no idea but I know it's shitty in the morning. They came out with Gatorade AM for a morning bevera... : pancake humper
          • Electrolytes = sodium = salt. : TwiLyght
        • http://www.webmd.com/hw-popup/rehydration-drinks Not quite, but in a nutshell "yes." Sports drinks ar... : batkiwi
      • Gatorade AM yo : ErikTehRed
      • Gatorade AM is awesome for a morning drink. Its the same as Gatorade but with flavors that seem to taste ... : glio1337
    • I try to only drink a bottle of it a day, but I'm finding it does kill my soda cravings since I'm trying ... : mancide
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      You can never drink too much. : gmd
      • good to know. : sharkII
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  Water, Beer, Orange Juice, and Apple Juice in that order make up 100% of my liquid intake... : buzzbat
  • well, 100% of the 10% that isn't jizz. : lapskaus
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  I started forcing myself to drink water with meals. At first it sucked but I got used to it quickly. I ... : Zero|DPX
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    I think part of the problem is going out to lunch with coworkers. We usually go to more fast-foody places... : tashtego
    • I bring two bottles of water to work every day reused and refilled with the filtered water from home. : TwiLyght
• Coming from someone who stopped drinking soda about 4 years ago, I drink: - Water - Skim milk - Hot ... : ateam311
• carbonated water w/ lemon is pretty good. : aethyr
• Sparkling flavored water. : Deathlove
• 100% apple juice. the stuff that isn't clear and looks like cider. so fucking good. : pyide
• hot, loose leaf oolong : trick
• I loooove cherry juice. Also vitamin water is pretty great too. : geedeck
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  Why do you guys hate water? Like I know in some places like FL the tap water tastes like greasy hair, bu... : TwiLyght
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    i love water. i probably drink a few gallons of it a day, but it's nice to mix it up, ya know? : pyide
    • 2 gallons is a massive exaggeration btw. probably closer to a half gallon - 1 gallon in reality. : pyide
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    I drink water all the time, but a) in lots of places the "free cup of water" is tiny and not enough water... : tashtego
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      If water doesn't taste/feel satisfying, it could be because you're so used to soda that with all its suga... : TwiLyght
      • i think this is a large factor... i know people who've quit soda and said it took them a while for water/... : yAak
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        I am only talking about drinking water with meals. It's a taste thing. Water clears the palate in a way t... : tashtego
        • I agree. There are some meals I just don't really dig water with. Plus I feel funny making a big bowl of ... : great-white
  • i love water so much. i don't drink any other type of liquids. just give me a glass of ice water and i'... : electroly
  • water is gross. bottled water tastes like plastic and is even worse than tap water : JINKY
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  Both my fiancé and I quit soda a few years ago, mostly to avoid all that high fructose corn syrup ... : Miresse
  • Sadly it is hard to find real cranberry juice, most of it is "juice cocktail" loaded with high fructose c... : TreMetal
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    Yeah, most juice is awful and not natural. But if you are lucky enough to find a good brand that is 100%... : nukewinter
    • welcome to the american corn industry. : phokz
• Low-sodium V8. Also coffee, tea and milk. : dirge23
• http://drinkthisjuice.ytmnd.com/ : shortbuscaptain
• I've gotten used to drinking water and it's great. So good ice cold. I even get water when I go to rest... : DinK
• Buttermilk. : vikramwillrock
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  Skim Milk : HeXoN
  • ^^ milk is great with meals : Nali4Freedom
• I like cold water with a little lime juice in it. Limes > lemons. : Enkidu
• I have been soda free for 2 months, so far it has been iced tea, water, milk and juices. : hirosushima
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  I heard that you weren't supposed to drink at all while eating, but supposed to wait till afterwards. : yay4furryanimals
  • I heard that if you go to sleep with the fan on you'll die in the night. : dirge23
  • I heard if you say bloody marry into a mirror three times she comes out and kills you, but im too scared ... : great-white
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  I drink lots of teas and juices. If you are gonna drink soda it may as well be regular because you can w... : nukewinter
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    Tea can also be very healthy for you. Green and White Tea are packed full of antioxidants and have many ... : nukewinter
    • I will vouch for this. After not drinking soda I lost 3 or 4 pounds just from that, I also get better sle... : hirosushima
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  I drink juice (100% juice not pretend juice) or I make big batches of tea (generally herbal "tea" that ... : perstephanie
  • OMG Bovine Growth Hormone!!!!!!!! : mancide
• Teas ( many different kinds, you'll be able to find something that fits your tastes ), Agua Frescas ( buy... : happynoodle
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  Two Words: Simply Orange. I was trying to cut back on soda myself and started drinking this stuff. So a... : Head Rush
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    Does it contain any artificial sweeteners? : CrustaR
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      Negative. Ingredient list: Orange Juice, less than 1% of calcium phosphate, and calcium lactate. : Head Rush
      • woah, nice. mental note'd : royalally
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        Cool, can you buy this stuff at the grocery store, or do you have to special order it? : CrustaR
        • I think you can buy it at most grocery stores. Whole Foods and King Sooper's in CO both carry it. : Head Rush
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    probably has just as much sugar as soda : aeg1x
    • 22g per 11 oz., so roughly half the sugar of a can of Mt Dew, etc. : Head Rush
• Join WORKOUT CLUB : gmd
• Iced Tea! Also, drinks like http://www.functiondrinks.com/ specifically http://www.functiondrinks.com... : virus
• Lemonade : action wombmate
• I stopped drinking soda five weeks ago. When the urge for pepsi hit me I drink carbonated water with lemo... : gummijoh
• I drink these generic store brand waters... 0 calories.. zero everything really. They're carbonated and t... : snuff
• I still drink juice from time to time (generally, after work)...but I've found that drinking nothing but ... : Vincent Grayson
• Flavored water will be your new best friend. : glio1337
• i love water, but try flavored water. not vitamin, high-calorie water, but they have low-calorie options ... : dahanese
• I try to drink a chocolate milkshake with every meal. : skitzo
• Ginseng Arizona Iced Tea, bitches. : sinner0423
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  men : not work safe
  • (and boys) : not work safe
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    how do you drink "men" : wtf242
    • this has been discussed on the shack for years. You know how. : lapskaus
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  suck it up, just drink water... everything else has either too much sugar or artificial flavoring. it's ... : dael
  • Exactly. I drink water all the time and the occasional iced tea. : Trips
• Red wine : spiffymc
• I stopped drinking soda cold turkey in August. Water gets boring so I drink a crapton of Simply Apple and... : TheMonkeyWench
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  Fruit juice! It might be artificially sweetened, but Dole's Orange Peach Mango is fucking delicious. : snagger
  • if you're trying to cut back on soda switching to orange juice isn't any better. That shit is loaded with... : aeg1x
• Crystal Light is good. Plus you can buy little packs to pour into a water bottle at work. : oatmela
• try crystal light in your water : MoreVespeneGas
• Hormone Free Milk my friend. : Malku
• water + slice of lemon, lime, or orange. Iced tea with just a little (or no) sugar, or half lemonade (ar... : YamatoTwinkie

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• it's over - tip your 40s everyone : flagg209
• lol, it's over, Toshiba just needs to pull the plug already : mattfl
• They should just stop selling them now. : FushigiDenki
• Right after I get mine.. damn you!!!! Now i need a pS3 :( : nukewinter
• Sad news for some, great news for others. Not sure why I want to cling to HD-DVD, but I was hoping it wo... : changejar419
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  Remember the music store franchise, the Wall? : Omaha
  • bought out by f.y.e. : Patch-e
  • i worked there - for 2 years : flagg209
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  Retailers to HD-DVD owners: "Go fuck yourselves." : pigvomit
  • Internet.]i : Cygnus X-1
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  yet i still cant get a blueray player that will play all blueray discs except possibly the PS3 with an up... : NeoMoose
  • Any player will play any blu-ray disc. The 1.0 players won't be able to play the extra pip content made f... : razlebol
• Hell, I'd buy one one close out for my parents, to replace their old busted DVD player. Fire it up, fuck... : pres589
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  For all the hate that Sony got, bundling Blu-ray with the PS3 was a smart move. : AscorSix
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    Didn't it delay the PS3's development and cause it to cost a lot more initially? : pigvomit
    • Indeed, there was a shortage of the necessary lasers holding back production and greatly increasing the c... : MisterClaw
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      It was a short-term loss for a long-term gain. Plus, we'll be thanking them when PS3 games aren't spanni... : omnova
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        which 360 games even use 2 DVDs? : derelict515
        • doesn't the new RPG by the FF guy use 2 or 3 discs? Lost Odyssey? (i could be mixing something up) : dedgecko
        • Lost Odyssey uses 4 : mechanicalgrape
        • Rage is going to use 2 DVDs. : freshyk
      • And hating them when the install takes 2 hours. : pigvomit
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        What? : the city
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          I agree. : omnova
          • I have yet to see a single 360 game take more than one disc... wtf? : the city
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        Lost Odyssey is 4 discs. : changejar419
        • How does Gamefly handle that? lol : pigvomit
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          Because of all the CG movies. I hate CG movies and they seem to only be in JRPGs anymore. JRPGs suck. : h o s t i l e
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            i actually like CG movies. i guess i'm one of the few who don't like using in-game engine for cut-scenes. : shyguy74
            • When it's done like Uncharted, there's absolutely no point to using in-game cut-scenes. The immersion is... : treefingers1
      • I doubt there's going to be much actual game content filling up BR game disks. It's most likely going to ... : qwpeoriu
      • The game would have to be exceptionally long for that to ever happen. The systems can't use ultra high re... : DarkWolf5
  • I don't think you can say that for sure at all. If there weren't Blu-Ray they might've gotten it out much... : derelict515
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    I can't help but feel like they played a huge part in Blu-ray's success. Not just by advertising for it ... : changejar419
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      The only thing the PS3 did to help Blu-Ray was make the player base look larger. The amount of people buy... : mancide
      • but total movie sales are higher, which is the only statistic that matters. : aeg1x
  • Smart as in lets trade over half our market share in one market for another that possibly could never be ... : D45hiz
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    Yeah, the PS3 saved Blu Ray's ass. Combined with the fact the Sony owns studios it was definitely a bette... : Fred Garvin
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      Yes, and now Blu Ray may save the PS3 : semaphore
      • I maintain that PS3 will own Europe and will be second place in Japan. The 360 will own North America. Re... : Fred Garvin
  • Yep, it was a positive move for Sony at the expense of the PS3. However, with blu-ray winning they're pr... : DinK
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  Maybe HD-DVD will be rare and worth lots of $$$ in 10 yrs. : mikefr24
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    just like CED media. : MisterClaw
    • hey, CEDs are great, still got stacks of them and a few backup players. : zagzig32
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    kinda like my sweet original star wars laser disks : oHnOES
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      Hey, those probably are worth something, since LucasFilm destroyed the original film. Laserdisk transfers... : rock elf
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        nope. The original trilogy was re-released on DVD in 2006 and contained the 1992 versions of the origina... : Prozium
        • Ah OK. I was thinking of this: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/06/07 : rock elf
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      You can pick up the whole set on ebay for 10 bucks. : WadeMcLain
      • ...i was being sarcastic : oHnOES
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  We need Bill Paxton to comment on this. : pimpium
  • I am the ultimate bad ass, state of the bad-ass-art. You do not want to fuck me with me! : dedgecko
• Irony: I finally received my 5 free HD-DVDs in the mail yesterday after two months of waiting. : Bruzilla
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  I gave up on hddvd and went blu a while ago but I really wish hddvd would have won. They had a superior U... : .ka`boom.zZz.
  • more money hats from sony : oHnOES
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    i dont think there's anything special about the hd dvd / dvd flipper discs, i bet you could do that with ... : Maarten Goldstein
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      you can. it was literally just a DVD glued to an HD-DVD. : Korban
      • LOL : cdbeckman
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    Superior UI and features are common arguments in favor of HD-DVD, but I have to wonder if that superiorit... : SinistarX
    • Yes. It's just Java. 2.0 profile will add more features for BD-J to take advantage of. : K1Bond007
    • makes sense to me : MikkleThePickle
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    rabid ps3/sony fanboys + FUD + ? = profit : vassili_zaitsev
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      you talking about fanboys is the most ironic, hilarious shit in a long time : Bantis
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        your calling him out on it is just as ironic, I've noticed you can be quite the ps3 fanboy yourself... : MikkleThePickle
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          I love how fanboy has become an insult, as if liking something invalidates your opinion. : node
          • Fanboy began as an insulting term for over-zealous fans of anything, much like the japanese term otaku ii... : mn3m0n1c
          • fanboy doesn't mean just liking something, it means liking something to a fault, to the point where you d... : derelict515
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          you mean because I own a 360, Wii, and PS3 and choose not to shit on any of them? Nice try buddy : Bantis
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            Owning all platforms doesn't prevent you from being a fanboy. : Fred Garvin
            • Oh I'm well aware. What I'm saying is I don't feel the need to needlessly shit on them unless there's act... : Bantis
          • no, I just noticed you get *really* defensive when people point to flaws in the PS3, even when they are v... : MikkleThePickle
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      http://ajax.shackspace.com/Pictures/SUPARFAN.png : mmogger
      • I think you meant to post: http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=16272121#itemanchor_16272121 : Fred Garvin
    • Sony just had more money to push it down everyone's throats. : snuff
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  the good news = current HD-DVD releases are going at firesale prices I ordered Terminator 2 HD-DVD for... : Toraz Chryx
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    Oh sweet! Where from? : node
    • http://www.thehut.com/hut/8629210.product : Toraz Chryx
  • I bought terminator 2 on blu-ray yesterday for 13$ from amazon. : razlebol
  • I've been thinking of importing the UK HD DVD release of T2. Here in the US it's only on BR and it's onl... : Prozium
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  well, i guess i hope i see a ton of HD-DVD's on super sale pretty soon then :D : virus
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    That will be pretty cool. I have a bunch of HD-DVD's by now. Let me think: 12 Monkeys 300 Childre... : trOmblyj
    • If that's a lot I don't know what to call what I have. : DarkWolf5
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  I have been having a ball reading people on the AVS forum fighting this out for weeks. I am really going ... : baronzemo78
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    Sony still sucks but its cool that ONE format is going to win making the market clear cut. : metalremains
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      one format... we have 3 major video game machines, whats wrong with 2 movie standards : zagzig32
      • because 2 movie standards = shitbaggery : NeoMoose
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        We do... bluray will never replace dvd. : Edges
        • Maybe, maybe not. All movie will probably get released on both format for a few years. : razlebol
      • Mainly there is a general expectation of universal compatibility with movies. Plus the standards last a ... : nurglich
  • "Ball reader" The previous and less successful version of the Palm reader :[ : Ebu
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    Yeah, we should all feel good for Sony. They are such a great, forward thinking company run by caring and... : Fred Garvin
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      I never would have expected this from you Fred. Please continue by telling us how much better Microsoft a... : baronzemo78
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        Hey, my post is just as bad as your "Oooohhh poor me and the Shack always picking on my PS3.", but at lea... : Fred Garvin
        • I will say I'm glad blu won just to hear you cry more about it. : baronzemo78
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          You must honestly be such a sad, sad person. I bet you're just the life of the party around your friends.... : Bantis
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            And I feel like I'm being a dick cause you just piss me off so fucking much, and I think its cause you re... : Bantis
            • Yes, I do, but people like you filter it out and only notice the posts that piss you off. Look at my comm... : Fred Garvin
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      Nice... I really wish the format war could continue just for Garvin comments. Usually they are insightfu... : Grandmoff
      • Hahaha, you, Bantis and baronzemo all respond. How very predictable guys. : Fred Garvin
  • I'm surprised AVS people wouldn't want blu-ray to win. The larger capacity will allow for higher bitrate... : DinK
• I prefer Blu Ray and am glad to see this format war coming to an end. Yes, I am somewhat burned on buying... : Entity

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  how much had you two been drinking before you came up with this horrible idea ? : qwpeoriu
  • hahaha and how much JO stuff went on : Downforce
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    I think the issue lies in that we're both sober and at work. :( : Degenerate
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      You two... WORK together?! : Mad Brahmin Disease
      • to make the world more gay : qwpeoriu
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    Rauol is like Tony Stark minus the unlimited money and the moral code. : Fyunch Click
    • and women : Degenerate
  • We are both at work so only a little. : Rauol Duke
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  blue steel or magnum? : gmd
  • it must be blue steel : Degenerate
• It might be tough to fit a photoshoot in between multisyncs multiple daily salon and spa visits. : Degenerate
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  I'd pay money to not see this photo shoot. : balaams_ass
  • why do you lie to us and yourself? : Degenerate
• lol, oh hell yeah this needs to happen! : voodooraze
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  that korban is so hot right now. : pyide
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    so hot : Degenerate
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      I wonder if he'll be able to get the pictures OUT of the computer! : Rauol Duke
      • They're in the computer? : voodooraze
• Oh this must happen, I demand it. : Evil Benius
• this would degenerate into a man on man scene so hot it could only be sold on infomercials. : Fyunch Click
• GASOLINE FIGHT!!! : deject
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  Can we get David Bowie as a judge? : plunkymeadows
  • That was understood. : Rauol Duke
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    For some reason never quite understood to me, I was called David Bowie several times in high school as an... : Evil Benius
    • that'll do : Korban
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  This reeks of faggotry. No thanks. : Wolfanoz
  • That is kind of the whole point. : Evil Benius
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    You want in? : Rauol Duke
    • Want in? He's winning so far! : ThomW
  • and no one knows the smell of man ass like you... : drucifer
  • I love the smell of faggotry in the morning. Smells like... victory. : NastyJack
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  I love how neither one of them has posted in this yet : flagg209
  • Out getting their hurr did. : Rauol Duke
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  we need referees : oHnOES
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    are you volunteering? : Degenerate
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      i think i could provide the sort of fair and balanced judging this competition would need : oHnOES
      • Sean Hannity? : deject
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  Sexy bump. : Rauol Duke
  • I think your ideas are like whether or not one likes fucking underage girls, or if one likes to sit when ... : action roommate
• You fuckers just don't listen to a god damn word... : sKetchflow
• then they must break dance fight in the nude and videotape it : Halen
• Can we get David Bowie to referee? PLEASE? : Cliffzorz
• shouldn't vassili_zaitsev be included in this contest? : mindmann
• Korban and Multisync ought to meetup and have a gasoline fight. : DrWaffles
• That's not really a fair cockoff, Jason would win, sorry Korban. : Frozen Pixel

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  Not companies, the people that work there. Huge difference. : Horn
  • uh, yeah. that's kind of bad to leave out. : dahanese
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  Who the fuck is Christopher Dodd? : Mad Brahmin Disease
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    Who cares? : dedgecko
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      Obviously, I kinda do. : Mad Brahmin Disease
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        http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=16272836#itemanchor_16272836 : notd665
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          Dodd, not Gravel. : Mad Brahmin Disease
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            READING COMPREHENSION -10,000 : notd665
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              you linked to a God damn youtube post, what's there to read?! : Mad Brahmin Disease
              • I was referring to mine, not yours. ;) : notd665
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  What an important news story. Who cares about people's individual campaign donations and personal politi... : pigvomit
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    It's actually fairly interesting seeing the political leanings of other game developers. I'm surprised... : RomSteady
    • Yeah, what the hell : feek
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      There were a few Clinton donations too and she is quite adversarial against the industry. I don't think ... : pigvomit
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        plus shes a giant cunt. : pancake humper
        • Also, I highly doubt these people made donations based off of their views on the "games industry". The ga... : pancake humper
    • They need a miracle to get Diablo 3 released. : slax0r
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      While that's true, it's possible he considers a candidate's views on larger issues (war, economy, religio... : deveus1
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        Oh, I definitely understand...I've just never voted against my job before. : RomSteady
        • Yeah, I've never had to either and while I'm not quite yet in that situation, it'll be interesting if it ... : deveus1
      • Maybe "personal interests" isn't the right way to phrase it, because the anti-gaming legislation definite... : deveus1
    • I think it's fucking crazy how people vote for candidates without knowing a damn thing about them or what... : ThomW
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    Well considering that politicians are basically on various payrolls, whoever donates to them is very impo... : Dynotaku
    • You are talking about corporate lobby groups, these are individuals. I would never care to know who you ... : pigvomit
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  http://chrisdodd.com/ Think he dropped out after Iowa. : Head Rush
  • Oops, that was for Brahmin. : Head Rush
• Well their industry is bound to get nailed with democratic president as they have pushed for more regulat... : stgdz
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  Will Wright donated to Giuliani :( : ayesel
  • I assume Spore will be delayed now that he's dropped out of the race. : dirge23
  • seriously what the fuck will wright : JINKY
  • No one else can defend us from the Giant Mechanical Walking Eye disaster that could happen at any time. : Sarcastro
• I don't care if a game designer donated $50,000 to Satan, I'll still play their games if they are good. : pigvomit
• Wow Blizzard, big spenders. : snuff
• Isn't Brendan Anthony a shacker? heh : Frozen Pixel
• Meh - these dollar amounts are so low they don't mean anything. They are bribes donations to help someon... : Dessicator82
• What the fuck blizzard? Huckabee? : aeg1x
• These are donations made by individuals at the companies and not from the companies themselves. Blizzard... : walker270

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• Blizzard. : Duffman8369
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  Blizzard is technically still, I guess. They haven't released a console game in ages. Although, Starcraft... : yellowtexan
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    You think Blizzard isn't talking to MS about WoW on 360? Of course it would require some interface tweak... : jimmy-buffett
    • Blizzard doesn't really need to settle for any compromises, their solution was to make their game runnabl... : Autocrawler
    • This keeps on being mentioned and I just don't think it's going anywhere. Of course before Marvel MMO fai... : Jonathan
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      Even if it that happens, it better be a pricing scheme what is going on with Final Fantasy XI for the 360... : yellowtexan
      • "...better be a good pricing scheme compare to..." : yellowtexan
    • i would think it would be the other way around : dantastic
• cliffyb is my hero. : NeoMoose
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  Makes total sense. Piracy is the problem really. Then you've got the other problem of people complaining ... : bozer
  • I don't think piracy is nearly as much of a problem as the divergence between the high-end PCs and the ma... : chazums
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    People still pirate shit for the 360 and when it comes to what it takes to crack some modern games, buyin... : rosewood
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      A few times news has been posted on here about how horrible PC sales are because of piracy. I forget whic... : bozer
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        Not this again. CoD 4 sold extremely well. However yeah, it got pirated too. The more popular a game is, ... : ieGod
        • Console piracy is nothing in comparison to PC piracy though. I dont even know one person who has pirated ... : bozer
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      CoD4 had far more pirated copies then the 360 playing online, percent wise I believe. : stgdz
      • Wait, you are telling me that more people played something for free than paid for it? STOP THE PRESSES... : rosewood
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        But then why doesn't the developer do something on their end to kill the pirated game? Microsoft bans a ... : dedgecko
        • Because then you have a 1000 threads about how anti piracy killed your babies. Go back to the BioShock th... : bozer
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    The other problem is that CliffyB helps make shit games on the PC not many people want to play anymore (U... : Matt Burris
    • However, when was the last time a PC game sold 4.5 million copies? : mancide
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  It's sad that I still associate Cliffy B. with the Jeff K. "LUNIX IS BY FAR A SUPERIOR OPERATING SYSTEM" : zebosausamite
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    I know exactly what comic you are talking about! : DJ Clipdat
    • Hah. I tried to watch it, but SA and Jeff K. are blocked at work. Fuck this place. Reading "cliffy b.... : zebosausamite
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  "You just click on it and play it." Guess he didn't get the memo on DMC4 on the PS3 :P : grabbie
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    He's talking about PC web-based gaming. : chazums
    • Reading is for pussies. : SockMonkeh
    • your right, I just reread the whole thing : grabbie
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  not to mention the comfort / convenience factor. Every game I buy for the 360 I know is going to work. ... : topkatz
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    ya why would anyone want to play TF2 on the PC.... : .frame
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      OK, I concede, I dont like FPS on consoles, at all. : topkatz
      • Gotta mention RTSes and probably RPGs too. Well, maybe, stuff like graphics, multiplayer schemes, mods, D : Autocrawler
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    My only issue is the preference for kb/mouse for certain gametypes (FPS/RTS). A controller has its place,... : marku5
    • yeah I spoke to soon, and to generally. I do not play FPS on the console. I just cant do it. : topkatz
  • yeah the games usually work fine, but sometimes the 360's dont :/ : disembodied potato
  • Well it's relative. See the reason I haven't bought a 360 is because it's not torture for me. : SpaecKow
  • Because you can play the same PC games at higher resolutions on the same TV and get mods and patches to i... : baronzemo78
• because STALKER, Crysis, and TF2/HL2 ( i know multiplatform but still...) are all just point and click eh... : .frame
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  Firaxis, maybe? : chazums
  • Considering Civilization: Revolutions is pure console that might be shifting. I'm still hoping that their... : Jonathan
• 3DRealms, when they do work, which is probably not very often. : melt_core
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  I think he's hot for consoles because Unreal Tournament 3 sold like shit, not so much because Gears of Wa... : SpaecKow
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    Plus success is definitely not a matter of selling multi millions. Look at Strategy First, The Creative A... : SpaecKow
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      Creative Assembly are doing console stuff now, that's not to say they aren't still working on total war g... : chazums
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        Yeah I know, the Total Warrior games, but I'd be surprised to hear that's their bread and butter. : SpaecKow
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          Not yet, but I wonder if with that Viking game indicates a shift in focus. I hope not I want Shogun 2. : chazums
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            Probably not, it looks like a nice sensible diversification but Empires is obviously such a huge and not ... : SpaecKow
            • I'm going to let Empire: Total War cum on my face. : SockMonkeh
            • They're owned by SEGA now, aren't they? So maybe that might have something to do with it, also I think i... : chazums
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            No, they did a console game before. Spartan: Total Warrior. I suspect they've got two teams, seems sensib... : node
            • I played Sparten. They seem to be promoting Viking a lot more than they did with sparten. : chazums
    • Yeah maybe but selling out is profitable. I'd do it. : ieGod
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  Maybe if UT3 wasn't crap it would sell 4.5 million copies. : steelsamurai
  • bingo : anthonybean
  • yea I'm trying really hard to like it, but it's pretty bad. Obviously its selling more for consoles thoug... : .ka`boom.zZz.
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    more like - if they made a PC game that took advantage of the fact that it is a PC and created a decent i... : dedgecko
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      Last time I checked one doesn't play the interface but the game. Turns out people just aren't interested ... : paroxym
      • no, but the interface is key to getting a user INTO the game. If a user has difficulty or finds somethin... : dedgecko
      • Oh, I would've picked up UT3 for the PC, but with everyone bitching about how much of a turn off the inte... : dedgecko
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    How many PC games sell 4.5 million copies? WoW, Sims,...? : jake
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      The original "Myst," "The Sims," "The Sims 2," "World of Warcraft," and I think the original "Half-Life" ... : RomSteady
      • Half-Life 2 is at about 4 million, according to wikipedia. : deject
      • starcraft sold 10 million, warcraft 3 sold at least 4.5 : Shai-Tan
      • "Overall, the Half-Life franchise, including Counter-Strike and Day of Defeat, has sold over 20 million u... : Shai-Tan
• I don't give a shit how many third person shooter games are built on consoles as long as people keep maki... : .frame
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  good. i'd be please if i never had to deal with another pc game. it's just so much more convenient, c... : [fry]
  • ^^^is this the bizarro shack or what? : .frame
  • IAWTP : cdbeckman
  • Agreed. If not for mmorpg's I would have ended PC gaming this console generation. : Wombat Woo
  • yes!! : AlexXdude
  • who's forcing you to play pc games? : datoo
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  Epic seems to be more interested in selling games than making great games. CliffyB's comments scream to m... : rock elf
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    Game development is a business, period. I'm all for pursuing your artistic vision, but when it comes u... : RomSteady
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      Sure, you need to have somebody worrying about business decisions like that, but CliffyB is supposedly a : rock elf
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        I'm sure Cliff and the rest of the gang at Epic have moneyhats, so his logic sounds to me more like they ... : oatmela
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          I disagree with your last point. I think there are developers out there, although sadly in the minority, ... : rock elf
          • that's because most people don't live in a dream world where they can ignore the fact that they're pourin... : derelict515
      • He is designing to his canvas. Designing a console game requires a different train of thought. UI des... : RomSteady
    • Valve seems to eat okay being pretty strictly PC : EvilDolemite
    • agreed, but I hardly think that was the Epic mentality while making Unreal1. : Cygnus X-1
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    Exactly what I was thinking. It sounds to me like all he's concerned with now is how much money he can s... : Bruzilla
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      I thought Epic's new engine was the most licensed one on the market as of now. They must make a majority... : grabbie
      • Yeah, I don't doubt they make a metric ton of cash with that, but I don't think Cliffy has anything to do... : Bruzilla
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    Why would a business not make a game on the platform that would sell the most copies? Doesn't mean they ... : nukewinter
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      A business would. But CliffyB is not a businessman. I was under the impression that he's a game designer.... : rock elf
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        Even as a game designer, if you pour your heart into something would you not want to deliver it to the mo... : nukewinter
        • Maybe it's his heart to blame, it made a game that wasn't fun enough. TF2 COD4 has a better heart. : Sixcos
  • Epic? Artistic Vision? hahahahaha : Tawler
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  Is he just comparing Gears sales on 360 vs PC? Doesn't this not take into account a few factors like: t... : bcyde
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    I think the fact that everyone already played the damn game before it came out on PC is the biggest facto... : Lionhart32935
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      simultaneous PC/console releases do about the same ratio of sales. the userbase is different enough for ... : mikecyb
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        From what I understand, simultaneous releases usually have a better ratio of PC:console sales, if they're... : Gonzo
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          Most games that have had simultaneous PC/console releases tend to have an average 20/80 PC/console sales ... : RomSteady
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            Well, except that you consider that there's less overhead on the PC side, and the scale of installed cons... : Gonzo
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              If you're referring to the platform levy per unit on a console being the overhead, you still have the sam... : RomSteady
              • That's true... I forget about the $60 pricetag. I kind of figured that that was a test to see if people w... : Gonzo
  • It was and still is buggy, plus you have to consider how much later it came out on the PC. Most gamers th... : vynn
• Good for them. It's no secret that this type of game sells better on consoles than it does for PCs. Howe... : enyakk
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  "You just click on it and play it. That’s the direction PC is evolving into." Uhm what? The ... : Hoax
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    Agreed. I don't care where they come from. As long as you Euros keep exporting these awesome PC games I... : .frame
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      He's taking about web-interface games. : Tommy Toolbag
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        So gears of war is a web-interface game? I don't understand what you are saying... : .frame
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          "What’s driving the PC right now is ... a lot of stuff that’s in a web-based in... : rock elf
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            I don't understand that either? ETQW, TF2, HL2, Crysis, STALKER, Witcher etc aren't web based games? Wh... : .frame
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              The statement "You just click and play" refers to web based games at the end of the previous sentence. : Tommy Toolbag
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                Basically, there are three things driving pc gaming 1) Sims-like games 2) WoW 3) Web based games, which y... : Tommy Toolbag
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                  i guess I'll just have to disagree with that bullshit. None of those games are driving the GPU market. : .frame
                  • those are the games that make the most money. there's still a viable market for the serious pc gamer, tho... : datoo
                  • Where did the GPU market come from? And bleeding edge games have rarely been hugely profitable games. : Tommy Toolbag
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  • ^^^ All good points. As long as they keep releasing stuff on PC alongside console I won't mind though. : node
• Cliffy needs to take stock of what caused Epic to fail in the PC Arena before he begins talking about it.... : Beady
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  So, is Duke4Ever just going to be a console whore type of game? :[ : rigg5kthx
  • No, it stands to bring back the PC whores, and then the console whores will be crushed. DNF is gonna 0... : Cliffzorz
• Epic? The engine-licensing company, right? : dmason
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  if I was a dev or publisher, id certainly follow the money. : mavmavv
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    in the industry, you'd be in good company. : anthonybean
    • hey man, everyones gotta make a living. : mavmavv
  • What if you were a dev with a small team and great idea, but no one wanted to fund it because it was unpr... : EvilDolemite
• Has anyone noticed that console(FPS) games have smaller maps and are less vertically oriented enemies? : stgdz
• Look all we need is System Shock 3 ok. jerks. : Downforce
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  Cliffy b is more worried about looking good on TV game award shows and how to get more money hats to cove... : darkT
  • he has the Jade Raymond he is a winner right? : Iwannaacura
• All devs program on the PC, even those that develop for 360/PS3/Wii. : MrGrindy
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  This is all because of GOLDEN EYE. Ever since GOLDEN EYE people think its ok to play FPS on a console...... : flubba79
  • While I agree with your general sentiment, Goldeneye was fucking FANTASTIC. I think that was the first FP... : thetangent
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  Blizzard. Valve. Crytek. Telltale. 2K with stuff like Civ 4. Total War series. STALKER. SupCom (su... : EvilDolemite
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    SupCom? That game tanked hard. Twice, the standa-alone expansion too. : enyakk
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      and thirded - inevitably failing on the consoles! However, the game did innovate on a few things for R... : dedgecko
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        I imagine this will happen just as much as it did for Total Annihilation. SupCom has some serious flaw... : enyakk
        • and really that's always been a problem for cavedog/GPG - they need to hire someone to write and create s... : dedgecko
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          Yeah, I gave up on the campaign because the cut scenes were more annoying than anything else, and I'm not... : SenorSpine
          • do you play COH? It's not quite the frantic rushing normally found in the sc/cnc games. Fun times, ... : dedgecko
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      I'm talking quality games, not sales. Sure it tanked, so did Crysis, and that's sad. But there is quali... : EvilDolemite
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        how did Crysis tank? http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/99063-13-crysis-sales-exceed-million : oatmela
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          We don't know if that's 1,000,000 sell-in or sell-through or if that 1,000,000 includes OEM/bundle sales ... : RomSteady
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            but regardless moving 1 million copies is a success in today's game market. : oatmela
            • Given many publishers have sales contracts with retailers that say, "If you want X units of game X at lau... : RomSteady
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            it's sell-in. those copies will be sitting there for awhile. : dopefish
            • and you know that, how : Shai-Tan
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      yeah it tanked so hard they are making another expansion : Shai-Tan
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        haha, yeah business decisions are ALWAYS made in rationality (ignoring the fact that the expack was proba... : acheron
        • In general, 30-40% of the people who bought a game will buy ALL of the expansions for that game. If yo... : RomSteady
        • well I find it funny that people are trashing the sales of the game without even knowing how many they go... : Shai-Tan
        • by the way I was talking about another expansion that they plan to make after demigod/space siege, not th... : Shai-Tan
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  he just mad tf2 pwned ut3 sales : Chandler55
  • CliffyB mad. CliffyB crush! : Omaha
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  maybe he should stop making crappy games like UT3 : Korban
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    man, we called out UT3 for being nothing more than UT2K4 with better graphics, and readers are saying tha... : Gonzo
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      yes to the first part, hell mutha effin' no to the second part. TF2 made some pretty big changes from TF... : Korban
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        That's what I said. Also, TF2 is fun. And it can be played and enjoyed by people across a wide variety of... : Gonzo
        • the fun factor of TF2 is so high. it takes 2min to load up the game and get right into the action. that... : handofthrawn
    • I'd say your readers are dumb, but I've been a Maximum PC subscriber since either 1999 or 2000. :( Just... : deject
• I already played Gears on 360 and UT3 sucked. Two reasons I never bothered with the PC versions. : pigvomit
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  I disagree with that statement. The PC is NOT headed towards web-based gaming only. I'm sorry, but Gear... : Q-ball
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    When I see that GAMES FOR WINDOWS label, I think OMG, It's for Vista. : pigvomit
    • Games for Windows has been an epic FAIL. Steam is what GfW should have been. : Gonzo
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  gears of war fucking SUCKS on the pc. that windows live shit pretty much ruins the game : wtf242
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    You don't have to use it, 242! Run it with a local profile! : CrustaR
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      well I sure couldn't figure out how to do it on my dad's computer. I tried to register and create a live ... : wtf242
      • Press the back button when you get the option to enter email/password. But yeah, GFW Live is, for a lack : Autocrawler
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      why does no one think of the achievements! : Gonzo
      • Because they don't matter? : CrustaR
      • Valve has achievements. : deject
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  It's worth noting that this type of statement by a noted industry type is usually designed to drum up deb... : Gonzo
  • oh shi... : virus
  • Most of the time, no. Even if you aren't a "noted industry type," if you have any public association wit... : RomSteady
• Also, is he really surprised that a game that has been out for months didn't sell as well on its second r... : rosewood
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  Maybe because UT3 wasn't so great. Not a *bad* game. But seriously; MASSIVE step back compared to UT2K... : Rice-Rocketeer
  • yeh. they remove half the game modes that get decent players on UT2k4, in particular assault which made t... : Shai-Tan
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    Did UT3 sell well on the PS3 even? I hardly hear anyone talk about the game, unless its about how crappy... : choppp
    • I doubt it sold a million, but if it did they had a bunch of advertising on TV for it. : Shai-Tan
• That sucks. I doubt I'll ever be able to play an FPS on a console. My thumbs just don't work that way. : terath
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  I've said it before, I'll say it again. Give me an XBOX 360 with a Keyboard/Mouse interface that can be u... : zipper76
  • This and free networking. The PS3 has both, but sadly the games don't take advantage of it. :( : terath
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    same. mouse/kb might not be necessary though if there is something equivalent that no one thought of yet : Shai-Tan
    • ! http://www.trackballer.com/ It would take a pretty awesome game that required this type of controll... : Bruzilla
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      Another device that lets you input a standard character set into a program? Why wouldn't you use a keybo... : FlatlineDixay
      • with voice chat I don't think a keyboard is necessary. im just thinking out of the box here because the m... : Shai-Tan
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  Maybe I'll buy an Epic game when their art style stops sucking donkey nuts and their game design is bette... : freshyk
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    All their games look the same. : NFXFSX
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      racist! : trOmblyj
      • Shut yur face heathen. : NFXFSX
    • I find it funny that the good guys in UT3 are basically the badguys in Gears with different heads. That... : pigvomit
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      thats my main issue - im over their character design. the stupid characters just get bigger and bigger m... : virus
      • you mean bigger shoulder pads : oatmela
  • so true. so true. : headless
  • If I ever get in the mood to play UT3 I'll whip out UT2k4 again. Another bonus is that 2k4 will run a he... : ThomW
  • yeah their art style is the worst : wtf242
• The problem is that you can't play Civ IV or Dawn of War on a console. :( : Lone Swordsman
• No shit Gears sold better on the 360. Does everyone remember how many TV commercials the game got? How... : SenorSpine
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  Except I don't have to mail off my PC every few months because it red rings. : Robotic Puppy Eater
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    weak : Haku-Jin
    • Definitely weak because I've had so many problems with failing PC components. : rock elf
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    Definitely not an argument you want to pursue. It's true there has been an unprecedented hardware failure... : Silent Sorrow
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      maybe because there's a shit ton more PCs than 360s : feek
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        Do you really think that overall there's less problems with PC gaming than console gaming? I love the PC... : Haku-Jin
        • Most calculations I've seen put the 360 failure rate at around 30 percent. I really doubt 30 percent of P... : feek
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        No, that's definitely not it. Even if you evened out the ratio, there's just no way that would be the cas... : Silent Sorrow
        • The closeness and integration of consoles is also a huge weakness. Look at the 360, one small design flaw... : Robotic Puppy Eater
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  Don't forget the RAMPANT cheating in PC games! : Edges
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    eh, it's not bad. Since punkbuster, etc it's relatively rare : Shai-Tan
    • Yeah, I can only think of a couple times I knew I was playing with a cheater. : feek
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  As a primarily PC gamer. I'm happy with where PC gaming is right now. There have been a TON of great game... : phate81
  • Yeah tbqh this year has been one of the best in a long time for PC gaming (since 2004 I'd say). I've pret... : SenorSpine
• A lot depends on the Gears sequel. if it really evolves and expands the series then there really is a ne... : Boxelder
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  in my humble opinion, the thing that hurts pc gaming the most is the $500 video card required to run crys... : tension
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    I don't know why devs don't look at all the people still playing the old CS and see dollar signs. There'... : Boxelder
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      They do. But there's a lot of co-marketing that goes on in the industry between publishers/devs and the ... : acheron
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        There's really not a lot of a reason the PC can't fit the same role as the Wii. It seems like a lack of... : Boxelder
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          Sure. Well, I guess one could look at casual game makers like Pop Cap as the ones that do get it. The S... : acheron
          • oh and Live Arcade of course. : acheron
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    Yes, this is a huge problem! Why does a video card alone cost as much as entire console? : SenorSpine
    • With a video card the manufacturer likely only sees 50% of the retail cost, and the profit they make per ... : fen boi
  • I used to agree with that opinion but I don't anymore. I can play Crysis at very good FPS on my $230 vide... : NastyJack
  • I think normal people don't buy desktops anymore, they buy laptops. I believe laptops outsold desktops f... : afty
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    You can play Crysis on High with a $250-$300 video card, and it will look better than any game on console... : EvilDolemite
    • I myself still game on my laptop, but as far as these new fangled games like crysis / UT3 goes, I wont ev... : tension
  • I see this all the time and it's stupid. People flat out refusing to play a game unless it's on the very ... : Kazomir
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  CliffyB should remember his roots and what made him all his money. If it wasn't for the PC market, he'd ... : deathofrats
  • The thing is that he wants to continue doing those things. : Fredrik S
• this is stupid, people have been predicting the death of PC gaming for 15 years. : ]pm[chem
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  I think no matter what the console sales are going to be higher because it's a more popular platform, and : datoo
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    I think the unique aspects of the PC market actually hurt it, because compared to console sales numbers, ... : mancide
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      Being mod friendly has scaled back in importance since "Hot Coffee." : RomSteady
      • No doubt. My point is, developers are going to be less focused on the smaller market, no matter what the ... : mancide
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  This pisses me off. They sold 4.5 million copies of this game on the 360 (BTW was one of my main reasons... : wellesraphael
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    I may be wrong, but weren't the Crysis sales numbers rather disappointing? : mancide
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      No, it went platinum which means over a million copies sold. http://www.joystiq.com/2008/02/01/crysis... : phate81
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        Four months to sell a million? That doesn't seem like it was exactly flying off the shelves then. : mancide
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          It doesn't really matter how long it takes. Crysis ain't the type of game that everyone can play right no... : razlebol
          • I doubt that, unless you mean in the bargain bin. That's where Far Cry ended up not long after release. P... : Fred Garvin
        • If gears of war sold 4.5 million in a year + time then it sold at a similar clip. : SpaecKow
  • right. And then he looks at dismal UT3 sales numbers and concludes it's due to the PC dying rather than t... : aeg1x

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  Starting when? Now? : carrioN luggagE
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    Yes, thats how its currently configured. : trOmblyj
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      And I'm sure I'll add Hydro and Well back to the rotation next week. : trOmblyj
      • Why, bless your heart, good trOmblyj. : carrioN luggagE
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  please put in cp_well! its fun and its part of the tournament! : mXENO
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    ^^^ also, thank you for removing those terrible ctf maps. 2fort? more like 2bad, amirite? : itsjames
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      I personally love the CTF maps but I'll admit, CTF sucks on Shack servers, not enough people are into it ... : vynn
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        I think the gap in the middle is just too large without having enough open space. This makes it hard for... : itsjames
        • 2fort is pretty much built for scouts. unless you want to play defense next to a dispenser as a heavy it... : mikecyb
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        ^^^ yes : ]pm[chem
        • (to vynn not james) : ]pm[chem
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  No Hydro? : EvilDolemite
  • I know, I'm excited too :) : bipolar
• Nice, thanks Tromblyj! I love your servers. It has the best ping for me. : Nitrium
• sweet, badlands is the awesome. : deject
• That's pretty much the best map rotation ever for TF2. : Horn
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  How about Badlands, Gravel Pit, Badlands, Dustbowl :D : vynn
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    agreed. gravelpit is one of my favorite alltime maps : AMikaboshi
    • nm. i suck at reading : AMikaboshi
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  What does everyone think of Badlands? I played 3 games on badlands, and was one the winning team twice... : TroZ
  • oh, otherwise it is an awesome map. : TroZ
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    The last point caps insanely fast. I saw a single scout capturing it in a quarter of a second. He... : MrLobo
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      Yeah it's funny last night we were trying to cap that point but some demoman had stickies all over it. I ... : NastyJack
      • Hahaha exactly my point ! I also saw a friend launch a crit sticky on a spy capping the point and the ... : MrLobo
      • yep i've seen the same. uber'd medic and soldier runs on to point, as demo i back off and lay down stick... : greydog
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        Yeah, that demo was probably me and that sucked. I understand the reasoning behind such quick cap times ... : mrwolf710
        • Yeah quick cap times on final points make sense. Lightning fast cap times... not so much. It's just too f... : NastyJack
      • Yeah, this map may be the most scout friendly one yet. : midgetherder
      • yeah last night on shackwest we actually defended that point for maybe two minutes but what it took was m... : mikecyb
    • There are also a ton of places to put a sentry to cover the point though. However, everyone knows you don... : Sze Ior
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    If they were going to lengthen the cap times for the final points, they would need to remove the ability ... : rock elf
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      Also, it looks like a lot of games will be decided by the initial battle for the middle point. Even more ... : rock elf
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        I dunno. We played it extensively at lunch today with good players and the 2nd CP kept on changing h... : MrLobo
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          the middle point is actually pretty easy to capture, certainly easier than well or granary, mostly becaus... : deject
          • badlands is nice too because soldiers and demos (and scouts to a lesser extent) can take a ton of shortcu... : mikecyb
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      i think the cap times should be reversed - the last point should take the longest : dark1139
      • then the games would never end : deject
      • disagree...dude the point right before the last on those hills are so amazingly defensible that after tak... : kainen1
  • I love it. It's really well balanced and a lot of fun. The last point does go by fast, but I think it... : deject
  • I think its okay. Ive heard the complaints and ive witnessed the final point being capped in no time at a... : Jackass1233
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    It's really hard to keep any buildings up. The map is so open with long angles and alternate routes that... : action wombmate
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      you can keep stuff up on the middle point, but pretty much anywhere else your buildings are an open targe... : mikecyb
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        The middle? Christ, where? I wasn't able to find a good spot for anything near the middle. : action wombmate
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          I had a sentry up for a while right next to the train car with a dispenser on the car (behind a box) and ... : mikecyb
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            See, on the server I played that shit would get blown up all sorts of ways. Soldiers and snipers have a ... : action wombmate
            • please ignore "because that's well" :( : action wombmate
• thank you sir! : theWhite
• It's bacon time. : romulan
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  And bad news - I have to lock it up for a match this evening - expect it to be unavailable from 6PM to 11... : trOmblyj
  • bumping the bad news - gonna lock it down in a few minutes : trOmblyj
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  bacon bacon bacon bacon bacon. bacon. : laurgasms
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    "Please to use my baconporter!" : zebosausamite
    • "... it's gude!" : zebosausamite
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    lol, is this why Boomstickah changed his name to baconstickah? : Maddog_Delphi97
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      http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2055/2268031774_16b1e77d73_o.jpg ITS TRUE, I STARTED THE FIRE : laurgasms
      • lolol : Maddog_Delphi97
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        you didn't start the fire it was always burning : megarust32
        • since the world's been turning : vynn
• works perfect, thx : FushigiDenki
• FUCK YES.... that is all : Concrete

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  Only thing I insure is my car, home, and health. I don't like the idea of paying for pet insurance, and... : kelbane
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    $500/year is more than i pay to insure my home... or both cars and motorcycle. : cpt_gloval
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      You get homeowners ins, car (plural?) and motorcycle for less than 500 bucks. WTF! : trevis
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        homeowners < 500/y, auto (including wife's car and my bike) < $500/y : cpt_gloval
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          lol. well, my life is way more expensive than yours anyway. : dahanese
          • being married and 27 helps : cpt_gloval
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          liability on all cars? I pay around $500/6 months for 2 cars (full coverage on one). : cltcprd
          • i have comp on my ranger since my dad depends on using it occasionally and i don't want to let him down, ... : cpt_gloval
  • to me, $38 a month to cover accidents for my 2 cats and 1 dog is definitely worth it. i know that if my p... : dahanese
  • yea but your dogs are a PITA : sexninja!!!!
• I'd say you're better off investing the $500 a year and building a little retirement fund for yourself. Y... : steelsamurai
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  WTF... pet insurance? I always thought pets were disposable? : hoopfam4
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    some people actually care for and love their pets. : bugsY
    • lol wat fgs : buzzbat
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      Yes, and I care for and love my couch. But if someone wanted me to pay $4000 to fix it, I'd throw it out ... : Ebu
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        You have an emotional attachment to your couch? : yAak
        • i DO need a new couch.... /gets out trash bags : dahanese
        • It's a damn good couch. : Ebu
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        you can get the exact same couch. not so for pets. : hamachi
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          Lies. Furniture has personality, too. : Ebu
          • plus you can't sit on pets! well I mean you can, but they get all uppity unlike a couch : mikecyb
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  my girlfriend has pet insurance for her puppy (poodle/maltese) and has already saved more money than she ... : fotografico
  • can you find out who she has? i want to have someone who has a good experience. i know that some claims w... : dahanese
• we had pet insurance (I think VPI) for our pug for years. He got into some chocolate when we first got hi... : lowpoly
• That's not a negligible amount of money, but if it gives you peace of mind it's probably worth it. : ckaps
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  fyi Im pretty sure you can get it through work. I am going to do it soon : bozer
  • yeah, it's VPI... it's a good price, but the review sites are polarized. either people got totally fucked... : dahanese
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  after having gone through more than one random pet sickness emergencies, $500 dollars is really not much ... : sticman77
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    yeah. when my cat got sick, it cost 1500$ just to check her out and keep her overnight with a liquid IV. ... : dahanese
    • yep. it's worth it for them to be healthy after a strong emotional attachment. i'm actually giving up m... : sticman77
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  oh hell yes, it has saved my ass many times. : Dave-A
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    well, my financial ass at least. the vet won't treat my anal issues. : Dave-A
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      what insurance policy do you have?! i want to get the best one :-( : dahanese
      • Not sure about in the US - but these guys are great in Canada - http://www.petcareinsurance.com/ They ... : Dave-A
    • he could if you told him you had no money : doomed
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  I say get it. It really really really sucks to have to decide if it's worth the money to keep your pet al... : OverloadUT
  • no insurance ever covers hip problems, so heh. : dahanese
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  just put the cats to sleep now and think of all the money and frustration you'll save! : dantastic
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    I'm gonna guess Jen has a cat. : ryuuseki
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      2 :( here's one shitbag http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=16255472#itemanchor_16255472 : dantastic
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        Lucky fgt. The cat I mean. I added you on XBL, we'll have to game sometime. Not enough Toronto menz. : ryuuseki
        • did you get in on the nhl tourney? also if i pop on and dont reply it's because i'm streaming some video... : dantastic
        • i think i asked you before but what do (did) you do for a living? i can get your resume in for help desk... : dantastic
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  my mom did it and it was super smart ... her dog ended up needing like $7k worth of work and most of it w... : virus
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    what plan, can you ask?! : dahanese
    • sure - I'll ask her tonight : virus
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    $500/year for 10 years invested at 6.5% return = $7,700. So unless you're planning on spending $7k on the... : steelsamurai
    • where do you get a 6.5% return? :-( : dahanese
• I wonder if you can get like liability, collision, theft, etc : oatmela
• You have 3 pets? I'd get it. : aethyr
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  Doesn't pet insurance sorta encourage the vet to charge the maximum allowed for whatever procedure? I/E w... : u sir name
  • no it's not like medical insurance for people in that you send your bill directly to the insurance compan... : mikecyb
  • no, vets don't even know if you have it. you pay out of pocket and then get reimbursed. : dahanese