Morning Discussion
Dogger, Fisher, German Bight: North by East 2; 9 miles; 1027; falling slowly.
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replySo, finally got in some BC2 time yesterday.
Very much fun, but what the hell is up with the amount of snipers? During the 3-4 hours I played more than half the games practically consisted of something like 50-70% snipers. Is this normal in BF games, does it get better with time? I haven't played any of them for more than a few moments since 1942 but I don't remember it being quite like this.
Other than dying all the time from a single shot, very much fun. Might actually be the first online FPS I end up playing for more than a few hours since TF2.-
Everyone is leveling Recon in order to get the great weapon "mortar strike"
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I've very tired of unlock systems. They've chased me away from a lot of games recently (like MW2)
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I'm guilty of that. That setup has it's pros and cons. I'm never at the top of the game unless on a close quarter map. Wasteland sucks for this.
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which is funny because it isn't a very good weapon
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booom-shaka-laka!
On Panama Canal, I ran into one of the big warehouses along the causeway and right into a squad of 5 or 6 medics.
I shot 1 or 2 in the face and then danced around the remaining guys for about 10-15 seconds before finally getting dropped. I think I got at least 1 knife kill...
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they're all pussies
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It would be awesome to have to option to ban a class from a server. :)
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Also, at one point last night, across all 4 Shack servers there were 98 shacker's playing simultaneously.
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I play Recon a lot but I'm good at it, put red dot on my rifle for close range combat, C4 the shit out of enemy armor and spot the shit out of enemy soldiers.
(I also blow up JonathanParkerBedrava 's helicopter and snipe him out of the air)
Spotting is one of, if not the most, important team-support mechanism.-
I think playing on hardcore servers probably neuters Recon more than any other class. No spotting, and sensor grenades don't work.
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I think hardcore makes recon/snipers even deadlier. frankly, most people play recon as a pure sniper and dont use the full potential of the class. my experience with HC has been a higher percentage of snipers over normal mode, and they can all kill you in one shot. I dont think that rush and conquest are suited well for hardcore, squad TDM seems to be the only mode that you could play HC and actually have fun.
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I agree with you 100%. We tried HC rush, and it sucked. Everyone just camped with sniper rifles. However, HC Squad DM is AWESOME. We wanted to try it out, and ended up playing for 3 hours and winning every game, which was like 9 - 10 straight,
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I got a medpack and defib to bring him back!! [shack]James
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I think I followed you around for two or 3 rounds last night....being a medic has no glory. :)
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ah you're James! Thanks for all the revives last night mate.
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No problem, it was fun. I like being a medic, its intense. Being on the front lines while two squads (and many times more) shoot at each other....and trying to stay alive to revive.
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Agreed. If this game had like 4 more maps that supported both gametypes then I would be set.
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what ?!! already ? im still not familiar with current maps
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I think the Shack squad DM server should be changed to anothe rmode, maybe Rush or Conquest. Just a thought...
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I will be happy when people start playing as a team. Right now it's all random and it sucks. Nobody has even talked during the matches I have played. (360)
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I think this is the issue there is MW2 habits carrying over.
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Give it time. When we start pushing all the shackers fully into voice chat you'll see it really improve.
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Oh see, I've actually been pretty impressed with the 360 crowd so far. The first night none of them seemed to know what was going on and our Shack squads were always the top squad and we always crushed the other team, but last night we played a few teams that were very organized and we had a lot of trouble getting past their defenses.
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You get them pretty quickly if you focus on the medic. The first night I played probably 99% of the time as medic specifically to get those back, and I think it took me about 1.5 to 2 hours to get them.
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so the shield on MG emplacements. Am I doing something wrong that I can't see a damn thing?
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I'm pretty sure its a dx9 issue. I went from Dx10 to dx9 and i got that bug.
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well FUCK... I gotta work some OT to get the money to upgrade
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Once again if you are going to play Assault: Pay attention to those little ammo icons around the battlefield people are asking for for ammo. Know that if you see a guy with a rocket launcher on has back (engineer) hes going to need ammo he can only hold 3+rockets (or more with perk) so many times i run out of rockets and have to scour for ammo packs.
Same with medic: toss out medkits.
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Yeah people seem to forget when playing assault that they can toss ammo. Very very helpful to have someone as assault in your squad though, I find I need ammo the most when I'm engineer and recon (for sensor balls and rockets), and it's really really important to be able to keep using both of those items.
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It's because long-range sniper is one of those classes that everyone thinks that they are good at, but very few people actually are good at.
You should play on Shack servers, 50-70% of our team last night was medics, lol.-
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Don't feel bad, medics are pretty much the only class a team can't overdose on (well, unless tanks keep owning you, then you have too many). I almost got to the defib last night too -- I don't know why they decided that the medic class should have to earn all his medic gear, ugh.
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Man that was so epic last night, I heard the fail horn so i was running around reviving people like crazy. we almost won, too. we were down by about 10 or 15 by the time the horn sounded. When we lost it was closer to 5, lol.
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I never have heard this in HT Mode?
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doctors must complete their residency...
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thats why we travel in pair...
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Honestly, i like the fail horn. It makes people play harder.
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I totally agree.
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I want to replace it with Alive by Pearl Jam.
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Bananaphone would clearly be better
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Final Countdown would actually be pretty amazingly appropriate.
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OMG YESYESYES!!!!!
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They just need the Count: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6VpmjKZAs
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Oh man, that was awesome.
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I love when the message comes up on screen "WE ARE LOSING. FIGHT HARDER." I feel like it's basically saying "PLAY BETTER. SUCK LESS"
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Hahaha.
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sounds like this, repeated over and over till you want to kill yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ-sY6NXsPg&feature=fvw
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So fucking funny
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When i see a team with a ton of snipers, i know 95% of them have to be horrible. So i'll go recon myself for a couple rounds, mortar, headshot, and terrorize them until i see numbers drop. Orrrrrr....just collect dogtags on them for a bit. I'm giving myself quite a bit of credit, i played recon quite a bit in the beta, pretty damn good at long range.
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Thats why we need to get the shack squad DM server changed over to something else
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I had a ton of fun playing recon with thompson/shotgun in one of the jungle maps. :D Lots of running around and people obviously not seeing me.
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I so wish I could turn Kill Cam off.
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^^^ This. We don't need the kill cam off, if you are good sniper you'll quickly learn to fucking move around a bit when you kill someone.
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Lightzout, i just fell even more in love with you.
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dude, it's not THAT helpful. they build perfect spots to snipe for every stage of every map, so 90% of the time you already know that's where you got shot from. However, for newer players, getting some hint as to where they were killed from is SUPER helpful.
No one should NEED the Kill Cam off.-
I'm still wanting to remove it. LOIOSH IS SNIPER FRIENDLY.
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what does Killcam do to prevent sniping? absolutely nothing. the majority of people you snipe aren't even going to be telling other people where you are. regardless, in the worst case scenario that you have some amazing sniper spot that no one ever checks, if you get spotted on the killcam then you have to move or maybe (horror of horrors) die once and lose a little K:D ratio.
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Why doesn't dice just limit the number of snipers that can be on a team? Obviously their other attempts at fixing these kinds of issues has not worked.
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Because Recon does far more than just snipe. A shotgun+C4 Recon build is surprisingly effective.
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Both :) Arcknight is really good too.
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MercFox1 is a fucking beast on the chopper and UAV and Bradley, EFF YEAH!
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I didn't say limit recon; they should limit the number of people with sniper rifles.
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Yeah and when you go to pick up a Recon kit from a dead body, you die.
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look, this was PREDICTABLE. huge maps, mortar ability, and the ability to actually camp out and snipe.
since recon can do everything and there's no need for any other class, that's a design flaw. between C4 and mortaring, you throw on the extra ammo perk and you can snipe for a REALLY long time.
I'll be playing MW2 in a duet with BC2 , I like both playstyles and they are very different. plus I gotta drive some mother fucking tanks ya know bro. -
Can someone invite me to the Shack BC2 steam group?
http://steamcommunity.com/id/phate81
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As much as I hate snipers, they seem fairly easy to avoid. Despite the fact that you can blow up just about anything, there seems to be a lot more cover than previous Battlefield games. It's not too hard to work your way from cover to cover and either get out of their line of sight or just go around them and get them from behind.
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1 per life. That almost seems too much. Almost wish there was a set timer regardless of deaths.
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do you really think that? do you really think they haven't played, tested, and re-tested this?
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-EFX- was on my squad so that shows Dice does play their own games. He was my choppa gunna
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Who wouldn't want to be a chopper gunner?
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Honestly, being team oriented isn't a game mechanic, it's something you do or you don't. It is however something certain games will benefit from, like this one or say CS or TF2 etc etc. But like all those games I rarely find team work existent on pubs.
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I don't agree. Valve has proved that you can at least funnel people towards playing as a team through game design. In L4D, you aren't going to survive very long at all if you run off by yourself and you aren't going to live long enough to have much fun doing this either. In Battlefield games, many people (including myself from time to time) will just go solo and do our own thing for the entire match. It's possible to go a full 20 minutes without doing anything to assist the team and still have fun and suffer no punishment. There is enough gratification to be had through simply getting kills, not being killed, and leveling up, that ensuring that your team wins is only one of the myriad things to do and unless the rest of your team participates it's hard to motivate yourself to contribute as well.
I would like them to design their games in such a way that rewards team play and deemphasizes leveling up and getting kills.
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There are no snipers in BC2 :D
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I just realized I've never thrown a motion sensor. I don't even know how to equip them. Are they just in slot 4 for the recon, like the ammo box, healing kit, and repair tool?
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Recons really need to stick in a squad. It isn't fair to deprive a squad that needs a medic or engy for useless stat padding. In beta, I loved playing recon with a shogun and had tons of fun with it, now with 90% of recon players playing sniper it is truly aggravating to play with and against them.
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