Morning Discussion

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  I wonder what famous Shackers we have. We've got Joe Rogan, Robin Williams, Will Smith, and a bunch of g... : dognose
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    Will Smith is not a shacker :( Was Robin Williams ever confirmed? : pancake humper
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      Not the Will Smith, but a Will Smith. : DrWaffles
      • Didn't you hear I come in six packs? : Gonzo
    • no : fishbone
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      The Will Smith who counts is a Shacker, not the bad actor Scientologist. : dognose
      • Will Smith the actor has denied being a Scientologist, so he's okay! : Postal
    • Gonzo is Will Smith from Maximum PC : .Jayson
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    stfu, they were shackers? : zerog83
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      I remember Robin Williams talking about playing Quake online back in the day so I am sure he has at least... : bRAINsick
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        he still plays I believe. there's a picture of him with trent reznor and john carmack from a couple quak... : mikecyb
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          Is there is a new picture? Couple years ago is still after Trent Reznor cleaned himself up and buffed up... : DarkWolf5
          • Yeah that picture is way old, probably more like 8 years old or so. : Geoffrois
      • He was also an avid DoD player at one point. Wonder what he plays now. : aaarrrgh
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      Wishful thinking. : stump
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        Actually Jor Rogan was. : stump
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          He was prime8, right? : Super Sparker
          • No he's primate, prime8 is a different guy : dognose
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    You missed Kevin Pereira, dognose. HE'S ON TV! : DrWaffles
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      That lame-ass son-of-a-bitch doesn't even have enough lower body control to keep his legs from hitting th... : RomSteady
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        Why are you in the toilet with him? : Snuffles-
        • It's where all the turds hang out? : ieGod
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      Lots of people are on TV. : nevicata
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        I been on COPS a few times, you don't see me signing autographs : dognose
        • I didn't know you were a cop. : nevicata
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    Keanu Reeves : PapaBoo
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      I miss that shack account. :( : Bull
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        hahaha hasn't posted since 2002. http://www.shacknews.com/search.x?type=comments&terms=&cs_user=keanu+... : Bull
        • That's impressive that he stayed in character for every post. (Whoa.) : Holesinswiss
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    what about that Dave Mustaine guy that posted here quite a few years ago that was always pimping megadeth : -=kodiak=-
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      it would be amusing if it was a Toraz character account. : Fyunch Click
      • I used to be in a relationship with a woman who knew Dave personally, and I can confirm that neither myse... : Toraz Chryx
  • Marcus Allen : edgewise
  • I'm Bruno J Global : cpt_gloval
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    Isn't Edward Norton supposed to be rattling around in here somewhere? : nem00
    • I hadn't heard that one! :O : dognose
    • We need to verify. Ask him how Salma Hayek's tits are. If he says anything other than "awesome," we kno... : elwood00
  • Sandy Petersen's kid. : Bamtan
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    Orson Scott Card posted at the shack once, too. : Frozen Pixel
    • I hate him now.l He used to be cool. But now he is a piece of shit. : CRasterImage
  • I'm alizee : azenmaster
• you got it, cupcake. I'll even say "Hot Wet Maarten" just so you know its me for real. : hirez
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  im the kid from problem child : mindshot
  • So you played a game of Chutes & Ladders and hit the slide right near the goal and slid all the way down ... : deadhorse
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    I'm the kid from Blank Check. : royalally
    • Mac fag : rosewood
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  I'm Michael Richards! : EvilDolemite
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    I once had some random guy on the Internet try to convince me he was Michael J Fox : dognose
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      dddiiiidddddd heeeee ttttyyyyypppppeeeee lllliiikkeee thhhhiiisssss????? : Fyunch Click
      • itiitititiit bebebebebe mrorororooreomore lileielielikelike thishthishthisthis. : mindshot
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        balls. : voodooraze
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          he's got parkinson's, not tourette's : itsjames
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            True fact: Not all people with Tourette's cuss! : dognose
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              true! I knew a guy who used to spasm quite a bit but didn't have any other symptoms : itsjames
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                I was at a party and there was someone there with Tourette's and she just kind of made quasi-barking soun... : Delaric
                • A lot of people with Tourette's bark. I do. : dognose
      • damn : jonin
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      how did you quiz him to see if he was honest? : EvilDolemite
      • "Which Teen Wolf did you star in?" "Both! WAIT SHIT NO!" : EvilDolemite
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        I asked him where was The Frighteners filmed, and he said Universal Studios but it was in New Zealand. : dognose
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          owned, ps that movie rules : Halen
          • "Ahh like it when dey lay stillll like dat" : .Jayson
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            yes it does. Have you seen the directors' cut? : hirez
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              oh shit, no--just the original 1998 DVD release : Halen
              • http://www.amazon.com/Frighteners-Directors-Cut-Trini-Alvarado/dp/B000ASATYO : hirez
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      did he type like this? ijbdsaijhadsnbadnbjdkalnasndbam,alkj;lksaudsabdwmn bas,dmnsd : voodooraze
      • This is a stupid joke and you're way too slow. : Bull
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  I am Morgan Freeman : mr.sleepy
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    if you're Morgan Freeman then who am I? : genjuro
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      Billy Dee Williams. : Fyunch Click
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        I told you people I'm not black : genjuro
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          Carlton Banks : TwiLyght
          • lol. nice. : hirez
        • Maybe it's you that's just not accepting that you're black. : nevicata
    • Soon you will be Bernie Mac : mr.sleepy
    • carl weathers : EvilDolemite
    • Morgan Fairchild : dognose
    • Mr. T : r3dn3ck
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  If Robin Williams was still doing coke it's statisticially probable that he'd say each of those words at ... : nem00
  • is performance has a ton of coke jokes. But it was mostly about cock and balls. I give it 8 lines out of... : tboomer2
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  Didn't Orson Scott Card post here once? I think there was some thread about one of his books or writings ... : cockoftehwalk
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    gegtik scared him away haha : mr.sleepy
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      link: http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=11674575#itemanchor_11674575 : mr.sleepy
      • Hahaha, I remember that comment. : aaarrrgh
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        Is he referencing some article that Remo posted? It seems so random. : valael
        • Orson Scott Card is a mormon. : rock elf
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    yes. It confirmed my Maarten. : Fyunch Click
    • Did it now? : heuristic
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      so his your Maarten now??? : shavenewok
      • This sentence is awesome. : ieGod
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      oh ffs. my = by. I typed better as Michael J. Fox. :( : Fyunch Click
      • you also dropped ''s' : deathofrats
    • Can someone please confirm my Maarten? : yosemiteclimber
    • No he's myyyyyyyyy Maarten! : Ride-My-Rocket
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  Heh, where do you guys get this shit about celebs stealth posting on the shack. : Visceral Monkey
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    boring gegtik is Willem DaFoe : dognose
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      So makes you Rutger Hauer? : yosemiteclimber
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        I don't think so, but I will let you know if I am wrong : dognose
        • Maybe it's the blond hair that threw me off. : yosemiteclimber
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    This happens on every dorky message board on the internet. Guys Jon Stewart said COMEDY GOLD last nigh... : fishbone
    • Who knows. : Phil
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  I always wondered if rosewood is secretly Gary Busey : Gonzo
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    Sprite. Slinging Projectiles Repeatedly Is True Enjoyment. : Phil
    • hahahah : krym3
    • Oh shit YOU are Gary Busey. : perstephanie
• I hope Buck Angel posts here. If you can hear me Buck I want to fuck your mangina. : Utopia
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  I think Marlon Brando was a shacker. : freshyk
  • the horror... the horror : drucifer

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  Where is this? i dont see any in mine. : r3ckless
  • me too :'( : orgcaptainnemo
  • Same. : goatjc
• I Just noticed a UI change... can you futz with the colors at all? where? : manero
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  I see no Gmail themes. : ejectorpod
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    Settings -> Themes : pyrogen
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      I DON'T HAVE THAT, OH GOD I HAVE TO HAVE IT NOW!!!111ONE : ejectorpod
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        I'll sell an invite for $500 : pyrogen
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          I already have gmail I don't need an invite to that. : ejectorpod
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            Maybe my invites are special : pyrogen
            • Invite me to your house, ok? I'll bring cookies. : tort feasor
            • sm'd : r3dn3ck
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    Sounds like not everyone has it yet. http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2008/11/spice-up-your-inbox-with-co... : Nixx2004
    • The terminal theme kicks ass : pyrogen
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  Themes? Where? : Phreakin
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    Not everyone has them yet, they roll them out in stages. : yosemiteclimber
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      I'm a Beta Tester FFS!!!! : edgewise
      • ROFL ! : yosemiteclimber
• I has no themes : zerog83
• awesome, cant wait. : jigstah
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  screenshot plz. : edgewise
  • Just follow Nixx's link. : lechuck59
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  I really want a shack theme'd gmail account : kaddar0
  • Won't people who look over your shoulder wonder about the giant cock? : woddemandred
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  I apparently have a new theme but not the themes tab. : Schnapple
  • There it goes. I'm totally sticking with the Terminal theme... : Schnapple
• don't have it either but i don't need it. i use the Better Gmail extension, which includes the Gmail Red... : botch
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  ATTN: Log out and log back in if you have the new UI but not themes. This just worked for me and now I c... : manero
  • this doesn't work for everyone, and i myself didn't need to do this. : skryte
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  when ms did themes techies revolted. But google? Kewl! : Slowtreme
  • It's all in how you do it. XP themes A) generally sucked and B) are locked so you can't even make your ow : mn3m0n1c
• Ya, I was just gonna post that, AWESOME! : slickdoody
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  Finally. Themes rule and I can't look at my normal gmail account because the internal one I have is all ... : virus
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    hook a brotha up! : Postal
    • Just wait - everyone will have it soon. I don't even have it on one of my personal accounts. : virus
• Yeah, it's awesome! Black/dark silver FTW : pun][sher
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  pix pls : ninjase
  • http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2008/11/spice-up-your-inbox-with-colors-and.html : slickdoody
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  The terminal one is pretty awesome but would probably get old quick. : malevolence
  • browsing the inbox with that one is fucking painful. mine eyes! : pyide
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  Which one are you using? I am using Night Shade for now. The terminal one is pretty cool too. : razlebol
  • Im not sure the one thats orange and black and dark, its great, finally some fucking contrast. : .ka`boom.zZz.

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• PS: Nerd rage that this isn't an actual feature in the game. It's idiotic how many logical server opti... : Splinebastard
• I like the swapping, because it is helping me learn the maps better. However it seems to give the 2nd tea... : byorn
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  No no no I looooove the swapping. When you get owned as Survivors, you get a chance to turn around and go... : Arctic Fox
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    Yes, I love being tossed between levels every few rounds and the teams rotating like a spastic ferris whe... : Splinebastard
    • ... Play with Shackers? I had no issues with teams rotating last night/people leaving when it was their t... : Arctic Fox
    • If the teams didn't swap you might see the # of people waiting for one side or the other (probably Infect... : Sivart13
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  The awesome thing about being infected is that it doesn't mostly rely on normal FPS skills like fast twit... : bcyde
  • Definitely reminds me of Hidden mod. : hirosushima
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    It's basically an entire game mode that revolves around being a griefer. Which is awesome juxtaposed agai... : Arctic Fox
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      You don't need to work together as an infected.... If you rely on the survivors not working together to c... : DM7
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        Well, yeah, I'm talking about a GOOD team of survivors :P. Always always always move in groups of two! : Arctic Fox
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          I jumped in on a game where the survivors consisted of dmason, zerog83/saurkrause, and two others and the... : bcyde
          • that was a fucking awesome game last night. I had so much fun playing as a Boomer. the best was when I wa... : zerog83
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        There's nothing more satisfying than preying on survivors who run on ahead. I Huntered a solitary Zoey th... : A Sponge
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          I like taking the stragglers. Last night as a smoker I got a straggler in that level with the corn field... : bcyde
          • So you're the one who did that. :P : DOOManiac
        • Quote of the Day here :) : LoioshDwaggie
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          Ha, and yet there is nothing more satisfying for me than to dash ahead and show you silly hunters ya'll a : thief
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            I'll smoke your buttocks, sunshine. : A Sponge
            • XX chromosome shacker of the year nominee : Lightzout
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              Even the desire to add me as an 'infected' so that you can properly dispose of survivors is not enough to... : thief
              • If they are leaping at you from the front, they're doing it wrong. : Derringer
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          I really wish you could hear the human voice chat when you are nearby them, like Halo 3 does. : OverloadUT
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            This would be really cool : bcyde
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              Agreed. Hearing their screams and pleas for help as you pounce on them and thrash their face as a hunter... : baffula
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                Or even just when you're hiding around the corner, you could hear someone nearby say "I think I hear a hu... : OverloadUT
                • Yeah this would be nice. Either that, or my suggestion that I made earlier today: http://www.shacknews.co... : Arctic Fox
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        Oh, man...you can fucking DESTROY the survivors if you work together. Like...MEGA-rape. : Rice-Rocketeer
        • A good placed vomit + smoker + jumper = gg : Iwannaacura
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  That would upset the balance/design of the game mode. The whole point of Versus is that you try to maximi... : ayesel
  • The only thing that upsets the balance of the game is being forced to play the same Infected role round a... : heartsauce
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  what do you mean swapping after each defeat? it swaps whether you finish the level successfully or not. : lakren
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    What server have you been playing on? As soon as the infected kill all the survivors the teams switch. : Splinebastard
    • I think you're both saying the same thing : Arctic Fox
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      yes, and if the infected don't kill all the survivors the teams switch. it's score based, each team ge... : lakren
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        Logic is sappin' mah brain. : Splinebastard
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          I think he wants both teams to stay the same. So you play survivors for an entire campaign and they play ... : LoioshDwaggie
          • I don't think that will be an option in the future. In the commentary they very clearly say that what you... : erikman619
    • how else would it work? : eeeealmo
• Dude vs. mode is like Football. Each team sees how much yardage they can get then you switch sides and se... : Dynotaku
• I love being a smoker and pulling someone where there is only 1 spot where they can shoot you... and it l... : Iwannaacura
• Last night, as a tank, I managed to get stuck in a saferoom with three almost-dead survivors, and only th... : Majuju
• Yeah, no. Being a Survivor for repeated rounds while the Infected just gets to keep killing you gets old : yAak
• I went directly from playing all the campaigns through in singleplayer to versus. It's so much fun that I... : Ely
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  I love the bomb. That big ugly sonofabitch splatters EVERYWHERE when landing from a 40 foot drop. I took ... : GrimmyD
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    haha, yeah jumping off a rooftop right into the survivors is awesome : sanchez
    • I am frequently dissaopinted when a 3 storey fall doesn't prove to be far enough, but there's usually at ... : nem00
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  I ran ahead as a boomer and spawned in the little hut at the finale of the cornfield level. Hidden behind... : Beady
  • I love watching those numbers tick up past the x50s Z-Z-Z-Z-ZOMBO COMBO : nem00
• Played in a game last night and we were at the mercy hospital roof (and kicking total !#$). Three of us ... : DianeOfTheMoon

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  Note: Here's how you pull 'em: http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/<USERNAME>/avatar-body.png Obviously ... : MorrisatCNN
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    "Server is too busy" at the moment. :( Was working earlier though. : nudel
    • everything is slow right now. : dahanese
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    So why not just post that url, instead of saving the image, putting it up on another website and then lin... : jake
    • Because Microsoft website is overloaded right now. : nudel
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  I just noticed an avatar easter egg: When you're the menus, on My Xbox, and your avatar is on screen y... : nudel
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    You can make them burp by clicking one of the sticks I think. : Carnivac
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      Mine waves when I click the right stick. Nothing when I click the left. Maybe my avatar thinks he is t... : nudel
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        Yeah you have to do it when you're dressing your avatar. Burps real quick, nothing special. : hoov1185
        • Ah... There must be more, like if you tap in the Konami Code the avatar shits himself or something! : nudel
  • Press the triggers to spin, after awhile he gets dizzy. : uncleanmonkey
  • In the photo shoot mode, you can get them to do random emotes using the LB. If you are zoomed way in and... : jake
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  It's amazing how close these can look like the person creating it. : pancake humper
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    yeah, but they all have that gay stance. : voodooraze
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      Yeah, there needs to be an option for an ungay stance. : K1Bond007
      • It'll cost you 200 Microsoft Points, though. : DrWaffles
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  aw, i beat you by 2 minutes but it got buried :P haha mine: http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/Squirrel... : kungfusquirrel
  • http://www.shackpics.com/files/squirrelokungfu_65gulqyqxrfjp3pl8s2d.png : kungfusquirrel
• I'm a chicks shadow. http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/voodooraze/avatar-body.png : voodooraze
• None of these are loading for me. : hirosushima
• Slow loading for me, let's see if it does anything here or later on: http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/S... : Sailor of Fortune
• http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/Lucifunk/avatar-body.png : Rauol Duke
• Might be best for everyone to stick these on Shackpics, so we can see 'em given the server crunch at XBL ... : MorrisatCNN
• http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/IcedPez/avatar-body.png : Chris Faylor
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  New and improved http://emptydrink.com/sigpro/minifridge24.JPG : sigpro
  • Holy Shit! Looks exactly like you! : BanjoBoy
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  http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/elizabeth2k/avatar-body.png i think for my home account i'll make so... : dahanese
  • woops. locally hosted: http://dahanese.com/img/gallery/random/2kebody.png : dahanese
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  i am going to make mine look like the worst pedo : EvilDolemite
  • I already beat you to that. : sigpro
  • You should go for a Buffalo Bill look from Silence of the Lambs : elwood00
• boop boop beep boop http://www.shackpics.com/files/avatarbody_rkcggswxwrv6dc81y3s6.png : MisterPhoton
• http://www.shackpics.com/viewer.x?file=malevolenc_4qkr9oalm988wtpqfqa7.png : malevolence
• I will kill you all: http://www.shackpics.com/viewer.x?file=avatarbody_f59lyt0gz816tq1mxc3s.png : .ka`boom.zZz.
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  for all the bashing these avatars received you fags gays freaks people seem to really like them! they are... : pyide
  • haha i was thinking the same thing : onji
  • Ditto that. : lowayne
• http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/pandastrong/avatar-body.png : pandastrong
• http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/H4KUJ1N/avatar-body.png : Haku-Jin
• http://www.shackpics.com/viewer.x?file=avatarbody_vkl9d3x7balgiby81sye.png : mafu5150
• http://www.shackpics.com/viewer.x?file=avatarbody_jn5t1rh5ht6khrqminvf.png : DonarUDL
• http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/sithcow/avatar-body.png I did make a scary one with skeleton face and ... : Hello Kitty
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  FYI: I made a page on Gamewith.Us to browse everyone's at once but I'm not going to post the link because... : ThomW
  • neener neener neener I have the link! : pancake humper
• http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/jakedigital/avatar-body.png : bigblack
• http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/pointknalb/avatar-body.png : thejm4n
• Server too busy but.. http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/jonin1/avatar-body.png : jonin
• http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/stormoverkrynn/avatar-body.png Jean Luc! : Beady
• http://www.shackpics.com/files/nxesqueegy_swijmymorccro6fupdyr.png I was suprised how much I liked min... : SqueegyTBS
• I have large-ish lips, and from a distance, it looks like I'm wearing makeup. :( : Rice-Rocketeer
• Behold! http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/tediousstump/avatar-body.png : stump
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  http://www.shackpics.com/files/avatarbody_yl6urw5wb5vt72pty7qh.png i am a certified badass : Mmmmmoo
  • You are J Allards son? : SqueegyTBS
• http://alnya.shackspace.com/avatar-body.png : alnya
• http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/eluder25rs/avatar-body.png : [eluder]
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  Avatars are stupid and for children. WTF Microsoft??? : GeorgeB3DR
  • They want Wii buck$. Next up, the MiiMote. : capt tripps
  • You should make all the enemies in Duke3D on Live be replaced with the players' avatars. : ThomW
  • They're adorable though! : helvetica
  • I better be able to change Duke's clothing in DNF. And a hat. I want to be able to give him a hat. : stump
• http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/shadowdane/avatar-body.png : Shadowdane

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• it thats the actual salary, as opposed to the 'cost' of the worker, fuck me : filthysock
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  That's wages + benefits + taxes. Other companies don't have pension plans or retirement packages. : jasonepowell
  • Yeah but that typically equates to 1.445 x hourly, which still puts these guys at over $50 an hour O_o ... : khaosman
• I wonder why GM is hemorrhaging money so quickly.. hrmm : nukewinter
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  You'd be amazed to see the amount of jobs that pay very well for not having a lot of knowledge... cousin ... : Utopia
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    Unions. Not bad for members. : Visceral Monkey
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      I have to preface this with an "I'm from the South" but I have a lot of problems with Unions. To me, a U... : DianeOfTheMoon
      • Yes : Ebu
  • but does he like what he does? :P : japoneez
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    Yeah, but there isn't much income growth there. : MaxPete82
    • There is if you have interest in running your own business or contracting company one day. : mwasher
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    Electricians have a lot of knowledge. : EvilDolemite
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      and they charge a lot as a result : HojuSimpson
      • Are you positive abuot that : Utopia
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        i'm shocked : threeup
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          I wish you were more grounded. : heartsauce
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            Ugh, anoder pun subthread. : Bamtan
            • watt? : DOOManiac
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              Negative attitude you have sir : Utopia
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                Im positive that this thread is going to be charged with polar comments : conandan
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                  resistance is futile. : sweat
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                    ohm my you sound scary : riptyde
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                      This thread is getting me all amped up : ColoradoCNC
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                        Hopefully it won't get zapped. : heartsauce
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                          Ohm my god. : I7 SilverFox
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                            put a socket in it : RikiTiki2
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                              so many people wired on caffeine here : fugu124
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                                a series of ridiculous posts. : sweat
                                • It's revolting : egg5hen
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                                Haven't all of these puns run the circuit by now? : exigence7
                                • using vmware or parallels? : festivalman
            • Quit being so negative. : Gonzo
      • I'm going negative to positive with this reply : theargent
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      also it's not exactly the safest job there is : JINKY
      • Especially if you're an idiot. : heartsauce
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    I make good money and most people here believe I am mentally retarded. : gmd
    • IAWTP : skitzo
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      what do you do and how much do you make? : japoneez
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        pure tact and class right here : EvilDolemite
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          i assume that's sarcasm to suggest he shouldn't be asking? : carnivore
          • I think he's a government spy. : japoneez
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            it's low class to ask : EvilDolemite
            • Isn't it low class to brag about how much money you make? Once you go there I do not see how it is inapp... : TreMetal
            • Yeah, fucking proletariat. : Bamtan
            • I'm not sure class is a factor on the shack. : sweat
            • Of all the posts you've ever seen on the shack this is the one that goes too far? : NastyJack
      • I don't know : gmd
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        he takes photographs of cheeseburgers : MagicWishMonkey
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          For the CIA : guido anchovy
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            he gets paid in bacon. : MagicWishMonkey
            • He puts the photographs in a mailbox. When he returns the next day, the photos have been replaced by baco... : whistler
      • also do you have a healthy sexual appetite? : fathertime
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      Personas that shackers present and who they actually are, are often vastly different : geedeck
      • ^this : ninj0rc
  • My dad, a UAW member, worked for 43 years at Chrysler, his final 5 or so he was pulling >100k with only a... : zakazi
  • thats nothing, i heard unlicensed plumbers make a quarter mil a year or more : filthysock
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    i heard a woman on the bus talking about how her friend makes 60/hr pouring concrete. : feek
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      o.0 no way. not around here at least. : swoopx
      • I would believe it actually. We just had a minor amount of block work done on the house we are working on... : eldiablo01
  • Electricians make a killing. My buddy is almost done with his apprenticeship and he will be making $45 an... : ant_hillbilly
  • You think that is bad, wait to you see what the total package they get is. A journeyman in southern cal ... : exigence7
  • A lot of that 65k though he has to invest in his contracting business yearly though don't he? : Skoal^Fyfan
• Does that number include execs? : Horn
• cost of an employee is not usually the same as the salary. salary is just part of the cost. if we went... : erotic sock
• are you surprised? this is vaguely the crux of why GM is in financial trouble, as far as i can tell.. the... : xsoulbrothax
• Im sure that figure includes benefits, pensions and workers compensation payments. : .Jayson
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  The non-american car companies that have plants in the US are in the south where there is no UAW presence... : mojorisen1117
  • And make cheaper, better cars. Shocking. : Visceral Monkey
  • The Honda and Mercedes plants here are bigtime for the area: they pay very well, have excellent benefits,... : ninj0rc

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• Yea, it really is terrible. : MagicWishMonkey
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  What is the nil for? : Mmmmmoo
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    optional parameter probably : MagicWishMonkey
    • arrayWithObjects requires a null terminator so it knows how many elements are in the list. i'm guessing ... : electroly
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    when you pass optional arguments, the last one has to be nil so the function knows not to look for more a... : snicker-snack 2
    • Lame, language should do that for you. : antareus
• i don't really mind the calling convention. reminds me of Smalltalk or CLOS : electroly
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  My developer that is working in it right now hates it. He says it is ugly and there isn't enough develope... : haiku
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    Is he working on iphone stuff? I want to strangle the asshole at Apple who decided the developer NDA w... : MagicWishMonkey
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      the nda was lifted like two months ago : electroly
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        Fun fact: there are LOTS of discussion boards that contain content written prior to two months ago. My pr... : MagicWishMonkey
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          not going to hear any disagreement from me :) the nda was pretty stupid : electroly
          • yea, it's just frustrating because the sound API is so jacked up that I was having trouble layering and l... : MagicWishMonkey
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          From what I understood, the NDA was in anticipation of patent procedure conformance not protection agains... : adpalumbo
          • Seems like a typical bullshit Apple excuse. The SDK came out months after the phone came out. Any technol... : nudel
    • Yeah, iphone stuff. The iPhone UI stuff is a pain in the ass. To do anything really rich or animated you'... : haiku
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  why you would represent primitive types in objective c objects when you could allocate a perfectly good a... : Yanks
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    same reason he's using NSNumber, i'd imagine. because some API call requires it to be in that format. : electroly
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      Unless he's firing selectors with the NSObject class or running threads he could just pass the array poin... : Yanks
      • it's too bad apple axed cocoa/java. java native arrays were toll-free bridged to NSArrays :( : electroly
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    hell, I'll even help you: double* array = { 1, 2 }; : Yanks
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      now put that inside an NSArray : snicker-snack 2
      • You still haven't answered why you actually need a NSArray for something like that. : Yanks
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        Or a dictionary. Or pass it to a function that doesn't know how long it is. The whole point of NSArrays a... : snicker-snack 2
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          I can understand the need to put a primitive in a NSNumber for a handful of reasons: a) you want to us : Yanks
          • fucking hate shacktags : Yanks
          • this kind of bullshit is exactly why i prefer languages that don't have primitives. having to box and un... : electroly
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            ok, in the particular case in which this popped up, I have a function which takes an int and returns two ... : snicker-snack 2
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              do the strings and the doubles pair up? parallel arrays is usually a code smell. if they go together, y... : electroly
              • they do but making an NSObject subclass to hold them together seemed uglier (I did it and then backtracke... : snicker-snack 2
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            NSWhat's NSthe NSdeal NSwith NSthe NSnaming NSconvention? : antareus
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              NS = NeXTSTEP : electroly
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                Oh. It's always cute how people mangle their names in the absence of namespaces. : antareus
                • Seriously. How can a modern object oriented language really get by without name spaces. This is one of ... : SqueegyTBS
• I hate all the C languages other than C#. : CapnChaos
• yeah the selector syntax kind of blows. c + dynamic typing is cool though. : -Panther-
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  ObjC was cool, but it looks like it gets the tar beaten out of it by Python, Ruby, and all the other newe... : antareus
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    Really? How does it compare speed-wise to Python or Ruby? : hawkeye
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      Obj-C seems like it would be fast because it compiles down to actual C, but it's really not that fast. t... : electroly
      • yeah the selector mechanism is very slow. :( : Yanks
      • Yea, invoking functions indirectly is also slow as shit, but it's also easier to write portable code. : MagicWishMonkey
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    You're really comparing apples with oranges there. : rock elf
    • Obj. C tries to be more dynamic than C or C++, and Python/Ruby are quite dynamic themselves. : antareus
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  heh that looks eerily like the mozilla source : egg5hen
  • that's what I thought I was looking at for a second there. all the NS action : zakazi
• That just looks painfully unreadable to my poor Ruby addled brain :( : hawkeye
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  try macruby, it has totally seamless bridge to objective-c : Neech
  • doesn't work on the iphone :( : warpdude
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  I like it fine, actually. It is a clear and concise extension of C. Most people who hate it just hate thi... : taronish
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    i do love my punch cards :( : snicker-snack 2
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      Seriously, though - I think the example you posted was kind of onerous, but if you did the same thing in : taronish
      • Oh lame, shacktags ... Presumably you can still understand what I was trying to get across. : taronish
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  It does grow on you. After you use it for a while it still looks ugly, but if feels clean. Not sure how... : SqueegyTBS
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    I don't find it particularly ugly, and it's hard for me to relate to that perspective unless you either h... : taronish
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      I love properties. But I learned ObjC after ruby, so that jaded my syntax preference. : SqueegyTBS
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        I learned them all after lisp, so it all seems like cruft to me. I like ruby (and have written a great de... : taronish
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          Or how there are 3 different kinds of lambdas (blocks, procs, lambdas) that differ in arbitrary elements ... : taronish
          • Or the 6 different aliases for every simple function >_< : derelict515
          • This bothers me about Ruby, too. I'm used to just having (lambda). It's really hard for me to remember ... : electroly
• I'm learning it just now - it's odd : alnya
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  Much better than shit like (**i)[0]->a : terath
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    i agree but come on, you would never see that in a C program. that's equivalent to (****i).a. i challen... : electroly
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      I've seen it in game code ;o : japoneez
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        4 levels? what for? 2 levels of indirection is pretty common for handles and i could potentially see 3 ... : electroly
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          imagine engines built on top of engines built on top of engines etc : japoneez
          • It sounds like you're complaining more about engineering faults than anything inherent in the language. Y... : derelict515
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      Actually, it's pretty easy to see that. For example, let i be an iterator to an array of pointers to obje : terath
      • no this is not the same. you've got a member variable access in the middle there. i mean an actual quad : electroly
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  I don't like it much. It's got a bunch of idiosyncracies in syntax and semantics that I don't feel really... : derelict515
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    What are the semantic issues to which you are referring? : taronish
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      I don't have any examples offhand (plus I'm on the phone) but my main point was just in the week or two I... : derelict515
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        I think you may not be realizing how old it is. Every language you mentioned is at least a decade newer t... : taronish
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          I realize it's old, I guess I'm wondering why they're sticking with it so adamantly (obviously all the le... : derelict515
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            Whatever your feelings are about the language, the phone as a development platform is pretty awesome, if ... : taronish
            • I know the iPhone frameworks are great and that's a big reason developing nice apps is easy for it. I gue : derelict515
            • Also we can always find examples of compelling languages features done before in older research languages... : derelict515
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    i think the latest version of objective-c solves a number of these issues. the reference counting memory... : electroly
    • I guess I just see it as trying to hopelessly bring C up to more modern techniques which I think is just ... : derelict515
    • In general, I prefer GC'd systems, but I have to say that I think (and I know we may disagree, based on a... : taronish
• I hate you too, you objective cunt. : heartsauce