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  You know they could have curbed that number just a little by making the game steam-only. It was already o... : avatar_58
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    They could have curbed that number just a little by...banning the pirated CD-keys maybe? That'd make some... : Autocrawler
    • If it were steam-only a key wouldn't even be needed, because you wouldn't see it. It's tied to your accou... : avatar_58
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      I was wondering that too. If they can tell the CD keys are pirated, why can those people still play onli... : afty
      • Figure out the source for as many keys as possible, find a generic solution to stop on the keys, change s... : RomSteady
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        Yeah, doesn't the Battlefield series have a way of keeping duplicate CD keys offline? : riptyde
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          Hell, Quake 3 had a way - and that game was from 1999 : Schnapple
          • Half Life even stopped that. : great-white
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    SIDE QUESTION: How many people out there, do you think, still avoid Steam like the plague? I'm always sho... : Schnapple
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      steam makes a % of the money some companies want the money for themselves like the old days. Remember va... : Iwannaacura
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        Does Valve take a cut of disc-based sales for Steam-only games? For example, SiN Episodes: Emergence was ... : Schnapple
        • There is a smaller cut for physical media releases because Valve doesn't have to pay the bandwidth cost f... : RomSteady
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      I only started buying games from steam recently to tell the truth. I still have many lingering suspicions... : avatar_58
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        Well, my thought process is backwards from that. I like that the "backup" is on Valve's side. I buy a new... : Schnapple
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          You forget - that backup won't always be there. It will eventually die. (Yes, steam WILL die, one day. Do... : avatar_58
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            Well then you perform a Steam backup. Hell those are better, less discs. Yeah, I want to say so badly ... : Schnapple
            • Oh it will, don't worry. Things come and go. Thats why I like to have an escape route. I put faith in val... : avatar_58
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            By that logic so to will the DVD drive and Direct X die one day. Your precious physical media discs will... : ahk-med
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              Well no shit, we're also going to die one day too. However at least those are tied to how I personally ke... : avatar_58
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                The difference is Steam seems to make money and has Valve behind it. If the studio was in trouble we wou... : handofthrawn
                • I wont want to bother with them? Thats not an answer for me, since I regularly load up dosbox and play ga... : avatar_58
      • The first game I bought from Steam was Orange Box, and I got that a couple of months after release. It j... : nurglich
      • For me, physical media was way less improtant than being able to install and play on any pc I log into : rosewood
    • I didn't for the longest time because I was pretty pissed at how it was initially implemented. I lived ... : judge
    • I love steam. I will bitch and complain when I can't download Sin 1 anymore. : fleabug
    • i do, i still hate that fucking program : -=kodiak=-
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      I'm one of those people. I refuse to be forced to run some background program or and/or be connected to ... : retardhumper
      • I avoid it as well. : jrock
      • I dont like it because im stuck on horribly slow internet. I hated it when it first came out because it ... : vitek r
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      I've been off and on with steam and now I'm going to avoid it like the plague again. Its a big lemon for... : Sgt_Boomstick
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        It's weird. I've been buying games on Steam since HL2 came out wherever the steam version is available an... : marmite
        • Steam itself has forced me to reformat. Severe memory leak error. Off the top of my head, Vampire Bloodli... : Sgt_Boomstick
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      I avoid it whenever possible. - I don't like Valve/steam having so much control over my games. Its k... : samduhman
      • lolz : feek
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      i was at a lanparty a couple years ago and found some people like that, and was shocked then. i know at l... : feek
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        Well to be fair, initially there weren't any advantages. Now it's the coolest thing ever and every impul... : mrwolf710
        • yeah, that's what i was saying. there werent much/any advantages. : feek
    • I don't avoid it, but it still pisses me off that I won't be able to enjoy HL2 or Portal after Steam is s... : DOOManiac
  • Um, then they'd make what... 10% of what they've made thus far? : paravis
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    If steam curbed piracy, SiN would have come out with a second episode :( : chungathebunga
    • (I'll take this one) Actually it's a little more complicated than that http://www.romsteady.net/blo... : Schnapple
    • you mean if ritual had actually made a decent game that was well received - then they would've come out w... : dedgecko
    • What are you kidding me? I don't care what excuse they gave, Sin didn't die because of piracy. : avatar_58
    • And yet good games get sequels on the PC all the time? : SenorSpine
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  So how long until a developer loads in a system crippling trojan into their program which only activates ... : pigvomit
  • I think they would get sued (sadly) : jbury
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    System crippling? No (aside from Microsoft and Vista). But if I recall correctly, if people copied Sile... : SinistarX
    • that's awesome - Pirated copies have porn in them... : dedgecko
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  Page doesn't load. : FushigiDenki
  • Kotaku linked to it as well...chances are it's getting hammered. The top post on the main page loads: ... : RomSteady
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  wtf you mean they allow pirated cdkeys online? Or is this a keygen that worked to install the game an... : Iwannaacura
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    They key has to be real to play online, otherwise it'll just let you install the game and play SP. : FushigiDenki
    • (If they didn't do it this way then they're retarded, even id had this figured out a decade ago.) : FushigiDenki
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  My POV on that is that banning pirate CD keys would actually be negative for COD4, as it would diminish t... : FiReaNG3L
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    Cracked keys only play on cracked servers. There's no overlap. : zanzares
    • Ah, that makes sense. : FushigiDenki
    • Oh :( There goes my point then : FiReaNG3L
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      dumb question from someone who doesn't completely understand it all. If cracked copies only work on cr... : Schnapple
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        I'm guessing it calls home anyway when activating multi. : zanzares
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          Well then it's even easier to stifle this, just make sure cracked servers can't call home. : Schnapple
          • for the developer to stifle or for the pirates? : Charmplus
  • This might be true if money made from each copy bought came in over time, but since it's a single transac... : omnova
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  Surprise! Copy protection schemes: they don't work. : ieGod
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    Actually wouldn't this be a case for copy protection schemes not being stringent enough? I mean, they kno... : Schnapple
    • Not really. Those games are still pirated. Those people can still play offline. If they're crafty enough ... : ieGod
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  it doesnt matter what they do, there will always be somebody there to crack it. : Jayx77
  • The one thing I am sure won't help a lot if cd/dvd copy protection... I can't think of any major release ... : razorblade79
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  I would say they should have gone with steam only - but I won't as long as Steam screws us over here. Not... : razorblade79
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    Screws you how exactly? I see you're in Germany so I can hazard a guess, but since Valve peeps are on thi... : Schnapple
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      For once we don't get all the releases, like the id or rockstar package. Instead of removing wolf3d f... : razorblade79
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        Sounds more like you should stop bitching at Valve and bitch to your government... Why should Valve an... : dedgecko
        • And bitch at the publishers, not Valve. The publishers control what gets on Steam, not Valve. : Matt Burris
• SUPPLIES!! : Mad Brahmin Disease
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  Is anyone really doing anything to prevent the piracy, though? I mean as an end-user, there have been ver... : Tekmoor
  • Not on the PC gaming front. Nothing effective, anyway. : dmason
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    my method would be instead of preventing you from playing the game, let the antipiracy code kick in durin... : Chandler55
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      Spyro did that. It took 13 days before a working pirated copy surfaced. : RomSteady
      • Well its still better than the ~1 day average I guess. : FiReaNG3L
    • HL2 did this in an area, iirc. : dmason
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      I think it was Red Alert 2 that blew up all your buildings and units when it detected that you didn't hav... : Tekmoor
      • hahaha, is that what those posts were about? I remember reading those posts, but then they were usuall... : dedgecko
      • The really bad thing about this type of copy protection is when it back fires. I had a friend who legit ... : Chod
    • Original games never FADE :[ : Ebu
  • Operation Flashpoint corrupted the files while people played the pirated version and soon enough it would... : NFXFSX
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    I'm convinced that the only thing you can really do to prevent piracy is block users from accessing your ... : SockMonkeh
    • I think there's a lot that can be done, it's just no one seems to be trying. Starforce is effective, or l... : Tekmoor
• this is why I get suspicious of PC only zealots. In my head im thinking they are all a bunch of thieving ... : ultramega
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  Piracy still makes me sad. It's fucking $30-50. Not a bank-breaker. Crysis sold 81K copies its first w... : EvilDolemite
  • I agree with this, and what's even worse is that CoD4 and Crysis had demos so you could try them out on y... : RyDogg1
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    I used to when I was young and foolish. A friend would have a game I really wanted to play and offer it ... : changejar419
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      See when you're 13, 14, yeah, it's not okay, but I understand because teenagers have no fucking concept o : EvilDolemite
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        why is it sleazy? I guarantee you 99% of shackers download most of their music, it's just not feasible to... : lakren
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          so because someone can't afford it they have the right to steal it? : Tommy Toolbag
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            It's not stealing. The 'victim' loses nothing if the 'thief' would not have bought it anyway. If you h : Ebu
            • Or what he said: http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=16015096 : Ebu
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              Im gonna steal a ferrari. Actually, I wouldnt be stealing it, since I have no intention of ever buying on... : Tommy Toolbag
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                Again, you're missing the point. In your case, someone has physically lost an object and gained nothi : Ebu
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                  This reasoning kills me. So the hours spent creating that media are worthless? Last time I checked, emplo... : Tommy Toolbag
                  • The hours spent creating that media are not worthless, nor did I say it they were. The hours spent creati : Ebu
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          Wanting something is not justification enough to steal it, sorry. This isn't food for your children. It... : EvilDolemite
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            A large amount of people I know, from upper to mid-low class see digital content as "it's not hurting any... : GrimmyD
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              Digital theft is completely different to property theft as you are causing a potential loss in profit, no... : spdon
              • this is true : thetangent
          • Fuck it, its too damn easy to do it, when they make it not easy to do it, I'll give a shit. I think thats... : d0gbert
        • This may be the case, but it's far from socially acceptable to go around stating it. : GrimmyD
        • I don't. But I generally don't like the price of music or games either. I buy 4 out of 5 of my games us... : Zakko
        • It's sleazy because it's stealing. The people involved in making the game rely on the sale of the game t... : changejar419
        • I think developers make more per game purchase than musicians do per CD purchase. It's more worth it to b... : Modica Sol Solis
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        So you don't think friends should lend games to each other? It's nothing like stealing from a shop as the... : spdon
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          If a group of 4 friends buy 1 copy of the game collectively, then install it on 4 separate machines, crac... : changejar419
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            They are losing 3 potential sales, because if they did not get the game for $10 instead of $40 they may n... : TreMetal
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              But the game IS $40. And they did want to play it. And they bought it. But instead of buying 4 copies,... : changejar419
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                You can't think about it that way because they valued the product at $10, not $40. They were not willing ... : ieGod
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                  Once they boot the game up and play it that's a sale IMO. They are actually physically using the product... : EvilDolemite
                  • I don't agree. I'm not saying what they're doing is justifiable. It's not. But even as you mentioned t... : ieGod
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                  I can think of it that way because they do not get to choose how much they pay for the product. If you d... : changejar419
                  • It's obviously wrong I'm not even contesting that. But the fact is they have the means to dictate the ... : ieGod
                  • The company would have had 0 from those 3 kids instead of 40, or the kids would have just pirated it (lik... : spdon
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            Wait a second--this bit about passing it on to a friend can't possibly make sense. Because you're saying : Silent Sorrow
            • Only if your friend uses the toaster! : TreMetal
          • I think dictionaries are needed in this thread. Your moral judgement on their actions is completely irrel... : spdon
    • I think there's an entire generation of people who just never saw a problem with it. At one point, I didn... : Schnapple
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    About crysis though, if they create a game that runs properly on about 5%(?) of the worlds pcs, you have ... : mnok
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      Crysis runs fine on lower end machines. : EvilDolemite
      • and looks, plays, and feels like shit. Crysis does not scale like Valve and Blizzard games. Of course... : dedgecko
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      Please stop. Just stop. You can run Crysis just fine on any number of PC's. You don't have to run the ... : RyDogg1
      • It's not the resolution that kills Crysis performance on lower-end hardware (or even mid-end hardware), i... : Rotten Deadite
    • I've thought a lot about this Crysis thing. I think the real issue is the "experience", which a lot of pe... : Schnapple
  • This is why I bought games for the past 4 years I couldn't play on my PC. To support the developers I lik... : baronzemo78
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    rofl, welcome to the era where free thought can be copied and emulated by people everywhere who then trad... : Charmplus
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      How's that Philosophy 101 treating you? I remember college. It was fun! : EvilDolemite
      • Lawl. thanks. : Charmplus
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      The thing is traditional artists were either commissioned, starved, or hobbiests. If you've ever looked ... : smegmar
      • I'm really not talking about art, but point taken, without funding a lot of artists would not be well kno... : Charmplus
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      These aren't thoughts and ideas, they're products that take considerable investment to produce. Our ev... : ieGod
      • Assuming that pirating lessens the value of a product, you'd be correct, but I highly doubt I'd start fas : Charmplus
    • This is probably the most ridiculous justification for piracy i've heard yet : megarust32
  • Crysis is NOT that awesome, not for PC gamers who have already probably played Far Cry. And it doesn't ru... : SpaecKow
  • I don't pirate anymore; hooray disposable income! : snagger
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  You know what I'd like to see that I think might at least help stem the piracy problem? A way to RENT PC ... : thetangent
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    People already rent a fairly popular game. It's called World of Warcraft. They pay for the privilege to p... : GrimmyD
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      This is a good example. But what about all the non-MMO games out there? I would really love it if there w... : thetangent
      • GameTap. : Majuju
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  Piracy wouldn't be as bad if there were a way to rent PC games. I know I would be much more willing to re... : phate81
  • http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=16014890#itemanchor_16014890 : thetangent
  • gametap has to give companies money for them to have their game on there, and for the AAA titles it's not... : mikecyb
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  The solution isn't Steam. The solution is what it's always been, and can be implemented in a number of wa... : jrock
  • You would think if the key is being used by 5 computers or more online at any one point you can ban it. ... : handofthrawn
  • steam is a good way of getting some new buyers though because believe it or not some are too lazy to goto... : Chandler55
  • This is what they've done for a long time now, since like q2 I think. The only games that can't and shou... : paravis
• The only reliable way to cut down on piracy is through services like Steam and Xbox Live. Make the player... : seven
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  Recently I decided to stop pirating games. Before 2007 I used to do it a lot, but now I just don't feel r... : OverloadUT
  • i think growing up. i remember in grade school and high school i had so much time. i become collector wh... : handofthrawn
• Why not come to realization that piracy will never cease to exist and learn to cope and work around it fo... : shortbuscaptain
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  I didn't buy it because I just played it on a friend's computer :\ : thief
  • monster! : BenMurphy
• You ever think about creating a site about the issue, having developer written articles and interviews on... : megarust32
• What they don't realize is that pirated games CANNOT BE PLAYED ONLINE, unless on pirated servers ("cracke... : paravis
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  Crysis and UT3 aren't doing poorly because of piracy. I ask you what fantasy land you lived in where pira... : SenorSpine
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    At one point there were 5,000 torrents of Crysis being downloaded per day : EvilDolemite
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      But the key question is "how many of those 5,000 would poney up the $100aud for the game, if that was the... : seven
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        Doesn't matter though - once they decide to pirate it they are enjoying the product that costs money. I : EvilDolemite
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          In no way am I saying that the people who pirated it shouldn't have paid for it because they didn't reall... : seven
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            I fully agree. I hate piracy but I also agree that all those pirates would ideally be customers. I just... : EvilDolemite
            • Any dimwit who really wanted to make more money on their work would do something about turning those 5,00... : seven
          • We've got two subthreads on the same topic now. Sweet. : ieGod
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            a huge amount of those 5,000 people would not have bothered to load the game up if it had taken more effo : megarust32
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              No. That's not what I said. http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=16015869#itemanchor_16015869 : seven
              • Well obviously they should be thinking of a way to attract those potential customers, but I'm stating tha... : megarust32
      • It doesn't matter. And really if you think that none of those 5000 people would have bought it if it was ... : K1Bond007
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      How many of those people actually even played their pirated copy I wonder? How many would've paid for the... : SenorSpine
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        As if any of those questions would justify it. : megarust32
        • Who is trying to justify anything? My point is that whenever a game fails on PC people point at piracy, b... : SenorSpine
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      True but then, almost all pc games have a similar download rate no matter how sucessful that are at retai... : baron calamity
      • is that a fact? There are 5k downloads per day of Barbie's Pony Adventure and Nancy Drew: The case of the... : sammyl
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    Crysis is definitely wanted. People just can't play it yet. : Sgt_Boomstick
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      You really can though. It's not like it isn't scalable. It's not as scalable as TF2 or WoW but you can ... : EvilDolemite
      • The demo is playable on my machine - it's not pretty (LOD "popping") - but I can play it. I have an AT... : seven
      • Sure, but I know lots of people who will just wait untill they can upgrade and see it in its full (or nea... : Stoned Gargoyle
      • Last time I saw someone running it on a two-generations-old video card, it looked worse than FarCry. If I... : GilesH
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    Games that don't sell well are not always shitty games btw. I find UT3 far more exciting than Orange box... : paravis
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      Commercial failures: Beyond Good & Evil Psychonauts The Longest Journey (in America) Crysis Tons... : EvilDolemite
      • Crysis is doing well outside of America, too. : SockMonkeh
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        BTW Beyond Good & Evil and Psychonauts sold poorly on consoles as well, so it certainly wasn't piracy tha... : SenorSpine
        • Honestly, I bought BG&E because of the Shackhype and, while I played it and enjoyed it, I've certainly pl : Ebu
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    The Witcher sold 1.5 million copies. Piracy is obviously an issue, but its hardly a crippling factor. : spdon
    • I bet 1.3 million of those were in Europe, too. Europe is crazy good about supporting PC titles. The US... : EvilDolemite
    • far as PC gaming goes, how is even remotely *new*? Piracy has always been around since the birth of the ... : paravis
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  also, if you don't want shit pirated, use a system like steam. : lakren
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    i thought people could still hack steam? : oatmela
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      They can. It just takes a little more doing. Everyone thinks that steam is unhackable, but I know people ... : Sgt_Boomstick
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        But they couldn't play online could they? : mancide
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          But 90% of pc games with a cdkey people weren't able to get through to mp. I don't know how COD4 fucked u... : Sgt_Boomstick
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            because the CD-Key checks aren't run on "cracked" servers. : deject
            • Sounds like the logical next step then is to start talking to the appropriate server companies, if only t... : GilesH
    • games on steam are cracked the same day they come out. for single player games there's not loss for a pi... : mikecyb
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    wow, for the last time you don't need a draconian system like Steam to solve this, just an even halfway d... : jrock
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      This is an interesting theory of yours, that software developers are to blame for piracy. : FlatlineDixay
      • nice try : jrock
• I blame Pastafarianism for the increase in piracy. : baronzemo78
• how are they playing online if they pirated the game? Online is one arena where it's easy to control the ... : aeg1x
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  I already hate this thread. Here, as simple as I can explain it... The publisher sets the price fo... : walker270
  • ^^^ : freshyk
  • well said : Boxelder
  • piracy opinions: serious bidness : dahanese
  • ^informative : Cygnus X-1
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    What if it's oranges, and they're $30 a pound? What then? : c0bra
    • if you eat an orange you are a fuckface who deserves to have his teeth kicked in and raped by a feral bab... : aeg1x
    • Then I guess it's scurvy for you! : DarkWolf5
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      There are some mushrooms and rare vegetables/fruit at local supermarkets here that cost around 60-80 USD.... : Nighteyes
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        What if it's municipal drinking water and it's $200? WHAT IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDED ON THOSE VIDEOGAMES?! :O : c0bra
        • If thats the case its time to call for a revolution! : Nighteyes
  • I knew it, I'm surrounded by fuckfaces. Keep pirating, fuckfaces! : Matt Burris
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    Does the same apply to people who download music, shows, movies, etc? Pulling numbers out of my ass I... : [fry]
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      yes : qwpeoriu
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        then we're surrounded by assholes! : [fry]
        • we didn't need this thread to establish that fact : qwpeoriu
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      I'd say it does. I know I'd be pissed if I worked and didn't get paid for it. I also agree that the major... : Rauol Duke
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        you couldn't steal an artichoke heart, faggot : [fry]
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          burned : [fry]
          • Could I have some aloe please? I seem to have been burned severely. :( : Rauol Duke
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        I always thought CD sales mostly went to the publisher/label company. So if you really wanted to support... : Nighteyes
        • I do. I also buy their albums so that they'll continue to put new ones out. : Rauol Duke
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        you stole mine : dahanese
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          and ate it : dahanese
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            What. : Rauol Duke
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              I thought that was a kidney stone. : Rauol Duke
              • no my heart was just full of bile and cold and wretched much like the rest of my soul : dahanese
    • Yes. : walker270
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      What about porn? : skitzo
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        oh c'mon strippers and porn stars are barely even human beings they're holes and tits and nothing more ju : [fry]
        • I know 2, and you are pretty much right : skitzo
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      But music labels sue their own artists :( No seriously, my college Jazz Appreciation prof was part of ... : snagger
      • Also, I apologize for potentially starting yet another retarded mp3 debate. : snagger
    • I think it deserves to be pointed out that the majority here have probably downloaded "ill-gotten" porn b... : thetangent
  • I love you : armybob
  • Right, and nobody is really arguing that it's good or ok to pirate media. But you can't compare it to wal... : Ebu
  • you're winner : Kazomir
  • it's easy to say but I don't believe you've never pirated a game. there's a certain convenience to the ac... : thebigbeefsandwich
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    While I generally agree with you, there's a problem with your forumla. How do I know the entertainment v... : Rag and Bone Man
    • How do I know the entertainment value of anything without trying it first? A good point that applies t... : sammyl
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      so we should all pirate games and then go back and pay for the ones we thought were worth it? it doesn't... : grendel
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        I have found previews and reviews to be shit. Shackcensus, while ok, isn't quite the barometer I would u... : Rag and Bone Man
        • This was more of a reply to sammyl : Rag and Bone Man
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  I'm shocked by the level of faggotry on the shack. : rosewood
  • really??? : thetangent
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  if a game developer pushed around a wheelbarrow full of copies of their game, you wouldn't grab one out o... : grendel
  • You're still comparing non-destructive digital copies with physical theft. And it's still two different t... : Ebu

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  • the first month (+ 2 week trial) does tend to be frustrating. no skills mean you're pretty useless. once ... : cpt_gloval
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  I got a drake! yay! it's overkill for the L2s but that's fine with me. Maybe I'll be able to clear Rec... : Draugluin
  • drakes are such a good ship...very versatile. : m0rfus
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    IMO, my Drake actually made L2's harder, since the heavy missiles aren't very effective against smaller s... : MisterPhoton
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      which is why I'm starting to train up for assfrigs (__)(__) : MisterPhoton
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        I used to love the Wolf to death. Haven't flown it in a long time, but I even did a lot of ratting in 0.0... : Goncyn
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          yeah, I can't wait to fly a hawk...such a ludicrous amount of damage/tank in such a small package : MisterPhoton
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            Good chance that my retribution would rape your hawk : Reptile
            • chances are, yes, but that's mostly because my missile support skills blow : MisterPhoton
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              My money would be on the Hawk, tbh :-) : zerog83
              • depends on his setup no mwd = dead hawk : Reptile
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              What's a Retribution, some kind of lame-ass Amarr excuse for an assault frigate? : Goncyn
              • Yes. Exactly that. : zerog83
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      sure they are, you just need to get your missile skills up there. : retardhumper
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        eh, that's what I'm lacking...I can use T2 heavies, I just haven't trained all the missile support skills... : MisterPhoton
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          actually, it looks like if I were to take the ~2 days it'd take to train Guided Missile Precision to 3, m... : MisterPhoton
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            If you are caldari, you should get all those missile support skills to 5. They make a big difference. : retardhumper
            • yeah, I know...I've got most of them at 3 and 4 and a couple at 5, but I never picked up GMP, which I obv... : MisterPhoton
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  What exactly is your tank now? I'm up to 767 with shielding only on my Raven. : Ceeva
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    • Thanks for showing me the way (dual resists > omnitanks). I really was stuck in thinking i had to be ab... : [7]kami

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  it has nothing to do with apple and everything to do with the government. lol cry more : multisync
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    Wait ... what? : rosewood
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      Sarbanes Oxley http://www.news.com/Apples-802.11n-accounting-conundrum/2100-1044_3-6151790.html : multisync
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        rtfa ""To be certain, GAAP does not require companies to charge customers," said Gerard Carney, a spokesm... : rosewood
        • Leave Apple alone!!! booohooohoooo : stuka
      • Where does it say anything about SOX? It references SOP 97-2. http://www.nysscpa.org/cpajournal/2005/405/... : Sailor of Fortune
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        I've just read that entire article and it does not adequately explain why they have to charge for it. ... : Goncyn
        • Many products included in such arrangements are not delivered at the time of sale. The character of the p : Sailor of Fortune
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          Yeah Apple just brings this up whenever they want to charge for anything. If they are so worried about th... : ventro
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            - release a brand new firmware update for the AppleTV (and this is a complete overhaul of the entire syst : Serpico74
            • What sort of subscription model does the AppleTV have? : ventro
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      Are you talking about the "they can't give free upgrades" shit? Because that is the weakest excuse. (esp... : rosewood
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        It is absolutely true. It is also why revenue accounting on the iPhone is different for the first two yea... : Serpico74
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          It is absolutely not the law. Are you seriously trying to say it is illegal to give something away? : rosewood
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            ya its complete bullshit, I dont know how people are believing this =\ : kelerian
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              Even the article M*sync linked to says they don't have to charge I'm so confused : rosewood
              • I follow Apple's stock pretty closely, so I know how S.O. applies to their accounting. I have to adjust e... : Serpico74
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                ffs just google and read up to get an understanding. yes GAAP doesn't require charging but the way they ... : multisync
                • Charge 1$ then. Fact is, theres so many ways they could of got around this if they wanted to. I have no p... : kelerian
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                  they could just charge 1 cent and it would satisfy the requirement that they "charge" for it. the figure... : sexninja!!!!
                  • shit, charge 1/20th of a cent per update and sell updates in batches of 20, problem solved : sexninja!!!!
        • They are not charging a single cent for the AppleTV update. Jobs specifically said it is a free update. : ventro
      • why can't they give free upgrades? : aeg1x
• Apple is clutch. : hax3d
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  Uh if you didnt expect to continue to pay $ for new features on your apple products, you shouldve gotten ... : VegasX
  • And got no new features? Ever? Like my nokia? Even if you would pay for them? :( : terath
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    My iphone updates were free...and work damn nice ;) : SolrFlare
    • Different rules on the iPhone since Apple reports revenue on them differently because of Sarbanes Oxley. ... : Serpico74
• If the move from iPod 5th Gen to Classic is anything to go by, anything you do buy for your current iPod ... : nudel
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  its Sarbanes Oxley. Thank enron. Apple does special "subscription" accounting with the iphone and appleTV... : Neech
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    They had the charge 2.5$ for the wireless update to tiger before and got into trouble for making it too "... : Neech
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      How can this possibly make any sense. Microsoft provides zillions of free updates every year. : Goncyn
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        This applies to significant additions (new features, etc) to a product that has been out for under two ye... : Serpico74
        • What applies? What exactly is the requirement? : Goncyn
        • isn't that debunked here: http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=16018458#itemanchor_16018458 ? : mallrice
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  Well considering everyone who currently has a touch and wants those apps already has them, it's really a ... : jrock
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    and the only Mail I check on it are ones that I can just as easily log into through MobileSafari which i : jrock
    • http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?story=50742#itemanchor_16019263 :P : disposition
• How do other companies do software updates without charging? Meh Apple is just fruity :-) : Yabrodan
• my guess is Sarbannes Oxley only had something to do with it -- they're probably factoring in people who ... : Postal
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  Having a $25 iTunes card from Christmas (and $15 left), I went out on a limb and dropped $7 bucks on the : disposition
  • I forgot to mention, while turning off Wifi I noticed VPN was now an option... innnnterrresstttingg! : disposition
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    I have all of that plus more already :\ : red2lucas
    • With Jailbreak? : disposition
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  What would be great is if, after giving Apple $20, you would actually get the applications. But apparentl... : arhughes
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    Uhh, dude, once you buy it you go to your devices. You should only see your iPod and no other options (li... : disposition
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      I clicked the link from the iPod Touch website: https://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZFinance.woa/wa/tou... : arhughes
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        Syncing should do it... iTunes is 7.6 and everything? Does your account history report two charges for th... : disposition
        • Yup. Upgraded to iTunes 7.6 first, then upgraded firmware on my iPod to 1.1.3, then attempted the softwar... : arhughes
      • I found the solution here: http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=6342760#6342760 ------... : factor27

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• Interesting! : pigvomit
• That sounds fantastic, loved the Savage 1 demo. : yemeth
• oh cool it's being released? i'll have to check it out, i really dug the first one : Mr.SEX
• shit yea!!! : sticman77
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  That intro video is using LOTR music, suh-weet. : glio1337
  • Well, the logo part at least : glio1337
• i loved savage1 but did they make this version better with the commander type person? It was hard to play... : Iwannaacura
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  Outstanding! Downloading NOW! : vynn
  • Guess I have to wait til midnight, probably best so I can get some work done today. :) : vynn
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  I'm excited! This is what I was hoping C&C Renegade would be like, but that was disappointing. How d... : MurrayTheSkull
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    Just a general "attack" command, but really more than anything playing commander is about talking to your... : s2jason
    • Sounds like my cup of tea. Installing now, sir. :D : MurrayTheSkull
• Exciting video, wish I had time to play. : lowayne
• very cool. Will download and check it out tonight. It looks fantastic, btw. Kudos to your art people. : Fredrik S
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  Will that video be an HD version of that video? I'm sure the Shack would be happy to host it. :) : vynn
  • Yeah, there will be an HD version going out at some point, as well as another cool cinematic video : s2jason
• Congrats! That looks like a lot of fun. Gonna check it out this weekend. : bad_fish
• cool I'll try it out tonight. I always liked the bow in Savage for some reason. : Modulus
• awesome, never played the first one but this looks cool, downloading tonight! : yAak
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  I really really loved Savage 1 but it felt kind of shallow on the FPS side. I'm really looking forward to... : blarrr
  • Thus far it's been a (mostly) closed beta, officially the demo begins the same time as the launch. : s2jason
  • Re: the FPS aspect, this game is very different... we approached the first game with the goal of giving i... : s2jason
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  Why are the server laggy? I was trying to play on Sunday and it was so jittery because of ping. : askedrelic
  • Bad connection between you and the server maybe? We've been doing a lot of profiling of that over the pa... : s2jason
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  So I have to wait till tonight to DL the client for my demo account? : yay4furryanimals
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    No, you can start playing any time in the last few hours of beta, at midnight though you will become a de... : s2jason
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      Duh ok I see, it wasn't exactly straight forward, I got a little confused. thanks. (For anyone else conf... : yay4furryanimals
      • I do not see this beta testers button. : Athlon7
• What kind of requirements are needed? : dilutedq
• This looks great. Downloading now. : Duffman8369
• nice. and a healthy torrent for it too :) : bakanoodle
• Is anyone else unable to get to S2's page? :( : Majuju
• Bump for great people making great games!!!! : fleabug
• Awesome, the original Savage was one of the very few games where I played the demo then immediately went ... : shortbuscaptain
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  Is there an offline tutorial this time? Are there tooltips for commander view? Those things would hav... : fleabug
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    Yeah, there is a tutorial and the interfaces are substantially more informative. I think though, that ... : s2jason
    • sold. : fleabug
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  A few questions. So we can download it at midnight? It it opengl? Most importantly, can I just play... : Visceral Monkey
  • Found the beta download, so got that. : Visceral Monkey
  • It's directx 9, with an opengl renderer to come soon. We were actually going to have a linux version ava... : s2jason
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  Can the game be played with "bots"? This seems like it could be a great LAN party game, but our parties u... : OverloadUT
  • No bots, but on smaller maps a 3v3 can be pretty fun. You can play without a commander, there is a build... : s2jason
• Nice, I will check it out tonight. : cjcharv
• I think I preordered savage2, honestly its been so long I've kind of forgotten, lol. : xjdrake32
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  Where do I download it to play today? All it says is "available 01.16.2008" :( : Goncyn
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    I second this. Signed up for an account and DL link is nowhere to be found. : Athlon7
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      Same, well I have an older account but when I click the Get The Game link I do not get an option to downl... : maldoror
      • This is massively frustrating. MUST PLAY! : Athlon7
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      same here. : captain hampton
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        look what i posted below. i'm downloading now. found it in the forum : dantastic
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          i didnt refresh before i posted :[ : captain hampton
          • jerk : dantastic
  • yeah that shit is all blocked out : dantastic
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    HAY GUYS LOOK WHAT I FOUND: http://beta.savage2.s2games.com/ : dantastic
    • torrent is going between 600-700k/sec : dantastic
    • awesome, thanks. : captain hampton
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      Thank allah! : Athlon7
      • So say we all : Klebold
    • Noice, I just jumped in the Queue. I'm stoked! : jasoncrowley
• Congrats! Seems like there's no reason not to give this a try. First taste is free... : Johnny Law
• jason i fucking live you man i am going to buy it tomorrow im not even kidding : AlexXdude
• Congratulations on gold. I look forward to the demo version! : Sturm08
• very excited! I enjoyed Savage 1! : hirez
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  Your site says demo accounts can play for 5 hours. Is that 5 hours from install or 5 in game hours total... : Nighteyes
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    oh my god I just watched the video. your game looks amazing :D How well does an 8600GT run it? : Nighteyes
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      I'm sure it will run fine, the requirements scale nicely. My wifes computer will run it: AMD 260... : jasoncrowley
      • oh lovely my only real requirement for games now is that i can run it 1920x1080 : Nighteyes
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  Where are the shackers playing this tonight? I am about to log in. Downloading patch right now. : maldoror
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    What is your name on Savage 2? I'll ad dyou and see if we can get a game going : melkore
    • We need a shacklist :) : jasoncrowley
• I just updated to 9.7 from 8.* and wow what a usability improvement. I'll get into a game later tonight ... : melkore

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  Who exactly is this shocking to? Sony playing the game MS started… : raspu2n
  • I wouldn't be surprised to find out this had been going on all along. Also Sony had two studios in their ... : mancide
  • MS/HD-DVD didn't start anything. Co-marketing deals have been around for decades. : nudel
  • Yeah, Sony is just used to strong arming people because they are the market leader. They learned well fro... : Fred Garvin
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  Since everyone bitched when Paramount got money to go HD-DVD I wonder if this will get the same scrutiny?... : mancide
  • I thought I remembered the HD-DVD consortium doing something like this before. So yeah, I don't see what... : Ride-My-Rocket
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  Well what did you expect? It's Sony, thats what they do. Frankly at this point I don't care, since both s... : avatar_58
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    Sony is being whiney greedy bastards. The DVD Forum opted to not go with Blu-Ray for the moving specifica... : mancide
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      Yeah because DVD didn't have any adoption pains either. I don't really care, serves the early adopters ri... : avatar_58
      • I agree 100% well said. : raspu2n
      • I don't know about anyone else but i didn't have any DVD adoption pains... I may have laughed very loud a... : Jonathan
  • Pretty much. End it, give me my media, drop the player/reader/recorder prices and watch me back it up to ... : ieGod
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  C.R.E.A.M. : sticman77
  • dolla dolla billz ya'll : grayscale
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    "Blu-Ray ain't nuthing ta fuck wit! Blu-Ray ain' nuthing ta fuck wit!" : bitter ego
    • Wrong song, yo. Stay on topic. : yellowtexan
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  I will buy neither format. I hope they both rot. : NexusOne
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    Probably because you don't own an HDTV. Some of us want 1080 movies thanks. : avatar_58
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      I don't own any TV. But my monitor does higher def than your TV. Fortunately my media is not tied to phys... : NexusOne
      • Porno torrents? : Tripps
      • What kind of answer is that? If you buy a hi-def movie you've technically purchased an HDDVD/Blur Ray dis... : avatar_58
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        Wow, your fierce independence is amazing! : dromo5
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          He's just pissed 'cause Blade Runner's high-definition version was released on HD-DVD only. : Rotten Deadite
          • http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/251/bladerunner.html : yellowtexan
      • wow you are so fucking hardcore. please tell me you wear a trenchcoat : Bantis
    • Some of us don't see the point in spending money on either format since neither one will ever come near r... : ColoradoCNC
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    Neither will I, but primarily because I don't care. I've yet to see a benefit to watching HD for anythin... : riptyde
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      sci fi / action movies? hullo? : sticman77
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        Star Wars, LotR, etc. Cant wait to see those in hd (although LotR not so much. those movies are almost ph... : Tommy Toolbag
        • i want to start seeing bat shit crazy kung-fu action movies in HD : sticman77
      • (i will however agree that drama / comedy movies i don't give a fuck about video quality though. and if ... : sticman77
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        That would be a potential exception, but in general the video quality from a regular dvd is already reall... : riptyde
        • i would agree with that little ascii chart you made. IMO sci-fi /action movies i really like are worth ... : sticman77
    • That's why I still only use my VHS player. : ieGod
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      sorry, but i'm really getting tired of this argument. you obviously don't have a decent hdtv, so how cou... : dromo5
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        sorry, but i'm really getting tired of this argument. you obviously don't have a decent upscaling DVD pla... : nudel
        • that only works up to a point though. the whole reason for high def is that it lets us buy significantly... : dromo5
        • That's like saying who cares if your women are hot or not... it's the inside that counts!!! : Edges
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        I've seen both HD and SD content displayed on everything from cheapo 32'' vizios up to fancy schmancy 60'... : riptyde
        • well, i think that's a pretty big assumption you're making. you don't think there are other reasons for ... : dromo5
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        You do realize that "it just looks like crap" is nothing more than hyperbole to justify having spent a to... : ColoradoCNC
        • it's called early adoption. of course it's going to be more expensive. it's a given the price will come... : dromo5
  • I don't care about high definition shit, but I do want to backup data on a 30+ GB media. : Geoffrois
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    I continue to buy DVDs. Fuck Sony and Toshiba. : NFXFSX
    • You aren't really fucking Toshiba by buying DVDs since they get monies from DVD tech. Apparently why Sony... : mancide
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  There isnt exactly proof in the original article cited by Gizmodo. Here what the Pittsburgh Gazette write : Tommy Toolbag
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    Since when do we need proof to get mad at one Billion dollar company for outmaneuvering another? : raspu2n
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      Well, the gizmodo article is titled "Dirty Business: The Real Reason Warner Went Blu Ray" and they cite t... : Tommy Toolbag
      • Sorry I was attempting to be sarcastic... : raspu2n
  • They are independent journalist bringing us the real deal. We must trust them. : TreMetal
  • The problem I have is everything HD-DVD can do NOW can't be done until October in Blu-Ray. That's when Pr... : mancide
  • Hear, hear. : d fluke
• haha not surprised : prime8
• Blu-Ray is MONEY! : pigvomit
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  I don't care if they throw 10 billion dollars around as long as one of them wins : deveus1
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    At this point I hope both lose. Big companies don't give a shit about the small folk. : spectr3
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      but I want HD movies...... : skinlab133
      • and they will be happy to sell you two copies in two HD formats for $30 a movie. have a nice day. : metalremains
• It's a good thing, as long as one format is established. If blueray really wins, I hope they don't take t... : razorblade79
• The only surprising thing is that it took a week for anything to come out. : Degenerate
• If they paid them, so what. I mean the HD-DVD camp did the same thing with Paramount/Dreamworks, and don... : Tripps
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  I'm really depressed that Sony basically won this war... but I'm glad it's basically over. Sony doesn't ... : Gwyndion
  • Lol, go buy some anti-depressant. : razlebol
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  heh, i bet all the BR fanatics out there decrying MS's $150 mil payout to Paramount are rationalizing thi... : edgewise
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    just as the people who were find with that $150 from Microsoft are going to moan about this : bipolar
    • *fine : bipolar
    • nope, not me. I was fine when HDDVD bought studio support and I'm fine with BRD doing it. I dont like it ... : Degenerate
    • except with Sony, it's Blood Money. : edgewise
    • Any payouts under $200 million are okay!!! : Portax
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    like I told a friend, I really hope they dont take the easy way out by using the "they did it first so th... : Degenerate
    • Businesses make investments to reap benefits. There's nothing more to talk about. Just end the stupid for... : ieGod
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    Last I heard, the payout was just a rumor, and had been debunked. This article doesn't seem to offer any ... : Vincent Grayson
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      haha this being a total fabrication would surprise me exactly as much as it not being a total fabrication... : Degenerate
      • Yeah, I just recall right after the announcement there being a bunch of talk of it being done for $500 mi... : Vincent Grayson
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  Yeah, this hole thing was decided by big corporations throwing their wait around. But now I just hope it'... : baronzemo78
  • lol you're such a homonym : boring gegtik
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  Keep this in mind next time someone starts talking about free trade markets and how the "consumer decides... : Rotten Deadite
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    the consumer can decide not to buy it. If people find out that older players are getting shafted, disc pr... : edgewise
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      Blu ray was outselling HD DVD 2:1 to 3:1 before Warner even went Blu though. The only positive spin you ... : Boxelder
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        Whenever people quote sales figures for these high def DVDs, they never quote actual numbers. They always... : qwpeoriu
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          We're talking about the consumer deciding here, and they did. I didn't quote the numbers because I don't... : Boxelder
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            BR has won the format war, but I think it's premature to assume the consumer has adopted BR yet. It needs... : qwpeoriu
            • If early adopters don't define the market who does? Us people with tooo much time and money get shit sor... : Boxelder
          • If you want to talk about consumers deciding, they overwhelmingly decided to stay with DVD. DVD sales are... : mancide
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    Well, I'm sort of deciding not to buy either one. I'm fully expecting online HD rentals to keep me happ... : Amadan
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      i have an HD DVD and BR player, and I still am hoping someone offers up a really good HD rental service : qwpeoriu
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        See Apple TV. : baronzemo78
        • i wasn't impressed with appletv the first time i looked at it, hopefully they've announced some new featu... : qwpeoriu
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  *puts on flame retardant suit* Isn't that shit illegal? : changejar419
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    Yeah, there's no law against posting bullshit news stories on the internet. : Boxelder
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      When the rumors that Microsoft had paid for HD-DVD exclusivity deals was floating around were you so quic... : Fred Garvin
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        Who remembers? who cares? Stop dragging me into these stupid "fanboy" bitchfests. I post about playing... : Boxelder
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          Says the guy that posts this: http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=15932277#itemanchor_15932277 : Fred Garvin
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            It's true. I think it's a great deal for anyone with a HDTV. So? People spend so much time and energy ... : Boxelder
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              The general consensus is the PS3 has suffered in the games department to get Blu-Ray over. I don't think ... : mancide
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                You're wrong. You'll never play Smash brfothers on your 360, you'll never play little Big Planet on you ... : Boxelder
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                  Obviously first party studios will always be exclusive. I think you are going to see less third-party exc... : mancide
                  • There are probably a dozen more exclusive titles I'm looking forward to than multiplatform. I also own e... : Boxelder
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                  Strongest looking lineup is all relative wouldn't you say? : Fred Garvin
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                    Not really. I wish the 360 folks would start making some announcements because a shakey looking game by ... : Boxelder
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                      Okay, and you AREN'T a fanboy... : Fred Garvin
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                        If you think Too Human and Allen Wake have anywhere near the clout, or even DESERVE anywhere near the clo... : Boxelder
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                          It does depend on personal taste. I think FF games are for the most part shit (actually I think Square as... : qwpeoriu
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                            The industry has already proven that people want Final Fanatsy and Metal Gear Solid. Eternal Darkness so... : Boxelder
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                              So that whole on-line multi-player experience Live! has over PSN isn't doing anything for the 360? What a... : mancide
                              • Gears of War 2 would be great but we haven't seen so much as a trailer or heard an announcement. As for ... : Boxelder
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                                Isn't that exclusive content for a price though? It's not as though out of the box, the 360 version will ... : Vincent Grayson
                                • left4dead and alan wake are the two biggies for me, but I'm probably not getting either of those on 360 (... : qwpeoriu
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                              Popular always equals better right? I mean look at Britney Spears. : Fred Garvin
                              • Also, I think you mean a "future" sales perspective because right now PS3 software is in a solid third pl... : Fred Garvin
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                                It always equals better for sales, yes. : Boxelder
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                                  In this case you are talking about potential because right now PS3 games don't sell so well. : Fred Garvin
                                  • That's what I've been talking about this whole time :( : Boxelder
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                      Oh I remember you and Ninja Gaiden: http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=14693448 : Kentor
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                        SUMMARY: NINJA GAIDEN GAMES ARE AWESOME ON PS3! NINJA GAIDEN GAMES ON 360 SUCK! : Kentor
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                          I have Ninja Gaiden AND Ninja Gaiden black for the xbox. That doesn't make them monster sellers. : Boxelder
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                            So? You're pissing on Ninja Gaiden on 360, but lauded Ninja Gaiden on PS3. Explain. : Kentor
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                              They are different conversations. The first assesment is personal tatse and the other is broader appeal.... : Boxelder
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                                What you're saying now, which I'm assuming is what you really mean, is not equivalent to what you posted ... : Kentor
                                • I know if I was less of an asshole more people would take me seriously, but it's not easy. I'm kinda fe... : Boxelder
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                        I've always liked Ninja Gaiden. That's beside the point. : Boxelder
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                          You just took a shot at Ninja Gaiden 2 for just being Ninja Gaiden with more GORE, while previously laudi... : Kentor
                          • I don't think they've expanded the games appeal, no. I will still buy it, but I don't see any reason it'... : Boxelder
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                      Bwahahaha...this has to be a troll : ColoradoCNC
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                        HUR, post some games or shut up. : Boxelder
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                          Gears of War 2, Ninja Gaiden 2, Alan Wake, Halo Wars, Rez HD, Ikaruga HD, Peter Jackson's next game proje... : ColoradoCNC
                          • Yeah, and calling someone a troll for posting a reasoned arguement is real mature too. All you added to ... : Boxelder
            • I'd rather keep the extra features I have now instead of waiting until the final spec is properly support... : Fred Garvin
• Not true. Warner Bros. has denied it several times now. That paper is perpetuating a debunked rumor (no s... : K1Bond007
• Shocking! People still crying about HD-DVD! : grendel
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  False claims. : MoreVespeneGas
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    How so? : Fred Garvin
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      "PIttsburgh Post-Gazette columnist Don Lindich" hmmmmmm quite the source there : Chandler55
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        So, what would be a credible source? Apparently a newspaper columnist doesn't cut it for you. : Fred Garvin
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          Outrageous claims without proof can be dismissed without proof. : xlarti
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            So, that means that any journalist that refuses to name their source is full of shit right? : Fred Garvin
            • No, but it does mean you have to take it with a grain of salt. : avatar_58
            • I don't believe it, otherwise big news sources would be covering this. : Pneum0
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          That columnist doesn't even have a fucking source. Did you bother to read it? : K1Bond007
          • He's dismissing this post. : ieGod
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      Because Warner denied it and they have no reason to lie. If they made a 500m deal, I'm sure you'd see pro... : K1Bond007
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        Warner also denied they were leaving HD-DVD. : mancide
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          because when they were asked, they weren't. Publicly traded companies have to operate a certain way; if t... : Bantis
          • Wasn't there a similar "look no money exchanged hands" for a few days after the Paramount HD-DVD decision... : mancide
          • There are still ways to get few 100 million in benefits without cashing a check. They could have received... : DarkWolf5
        • Probably because at the time it was true. The statement in question was done a month before and the actua... : K1Bond007
      • Notice it does not quote the guy saying "We did not get money". Only bounced around the actual question. ... : notext
      • They have plenty of reason to lie. : edgewise
• Shocking! : razlebol
• For the record, "Shocking" should be read sarcastically. I'm not surprised at all that the decision was ... : exigence7

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  I thought Lakren already accepted in a thread post. : chuck577
  • this is steam community group invite acceptance now, I set up a group for the captains, and I need all th... : hirez
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  sockmonkeh?! but he sucks!!! even I kicked his ass last night :P j/k - he rocked. made a great medi : Korban
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    i hope your get picked last and grow up to be gay because you had to play with the girls : SockMonkeh
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      ...you read my blog, didn't you? : Korban
      • not really, i just whack it to the pics : SockMonkeh
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  add me: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197962235888 : nyranger66
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    I already sent you one! did you decline? anyway. sent again foo! : hirez
    • never got the first one. the second went through just fine. : nyranger66
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  Awesome, thanks for doing this hirez. +bump : zebosausamite
  • What he said. Kudos. : gnomish
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  Almost everyone I want on my team is a captain. =( : brickmatt
  • Except rosewood. : brickmatt
  • well that's good it means the best players are captains and the talent will be spread out so all the team... : mikecyb
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  Can we have live coverage of the draft? Like have someone that's not a team captain join the chat room an... : nyranger66
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    Or would that hurt peoples feelings? : nyranger66
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      Lol, you care about feelings. Like I said, everyone I'd pick off-hand is a captain. Except rosewood, no : brickmatt
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        I've already got a scouting report on a few players, you're going down brickmatt!! : nyranger66
        • I'm going to have to go spectator some matches and take notes! : brickmatt
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        If thief were captain of my team, he'd order me off the "A" sign on gravel pit. : bcyde
        • Divinity would push you off! : thief
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    I don't care about live coverage, but I would like to see the draft list afterwards. Plus, anyone who's g... : edgewise
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      I expect to not be drafted at all then. : RyDogg1
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        ? i dont get it : edgewise
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          I don't want my feelings hurt, for I am the RyGod : RyDogg1
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            bah. I hope I get picked last. I'll show them with my perfectly acceptable, mediocre play! : edgewise
            • You're a solid team player, you were high on my list last time. : brickmatt
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  I know for sure that Zaun accepted to be a captain. Needs more y : zen!
  • mt : zen!
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  Which team is the all-heavy all-fist team? These are being built around single-class single-weapon rules... : lolpatrol
  • oh I weep for the all spy team when they have to play the all pyro team : mikecyb
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    That's maddog, he lost the straw draw. He'll go against Zaun's all-sniper all-rifle team in the first ro... : brickmatt
    • That's what he gets for always offering a possible handjob exchange. : lolpatrol
• Im at work, ill join up when i get home later today though. Fucking work. : Jackass1233
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  So how are people going to get drafted? : spectr3
  • invited into another steam group I guess. : Jayx77
• There's a fire burning in my loins and I hope it's due to this tournament. : monkeygone
• Is it too late to join the tourny? If not then add me: http://steamcommunity.com/id/sanchezz I'll try ... : sanchez
• Lookin good already. Hopefully we'll get some epic matches out of this. : Alco23
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  Holy shit I need to start thinking about who I want on TEAM AWESOME. : SockMonkeh
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    how is this going to be determined? are we going to have a "tryout" period for all the leaders? or are ... : flubba79
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      I'm assuming we're just gonna' pick from memory and stats pages. I dunno, though. I'll be sure to keep an... : SockMonkeh
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        there is a whole fantasy football side to this that seems kinda interesting too. player rankings anyone?... : flubba79
        • Who wants to start a pool on this thing? : SockMonkeh
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        Would be nice if dallas or 69 had stats, since the steam stats are almost absolutely worthless. Somebody ... : xjdrake32
        • I dont think they are when you play almost exclusively on shack servers though : whore
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  What is the schedule looking like? I'll play if it's not serious bossy time : EvilDolemite
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    There is no rigid schedule, we're gonna' play it by ear so everyone can participate. : SockMonkeh
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      Then I'd like in. I will play any class needed. I am a versatile fag : EvilDolemite
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        hirez needs your steam prof link then. Do it do it : monkeygone
        • Prof link? : EvilDolemite
• I may have to withdraw from participating -- I have some other things that may keep me from having compat... : bipolar
• awesome!!!! lets play!!! : mmaster_pw
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  Heh heh, who wants to take orders from Rosewood. It'd be like playing in a 40 man raid with Hitler as th... : RyDogg1
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    hey, until the whole 2 front war business, he was getting shit done. evil shit, but shit nonetheless. : edgewise
    • he aggro'd too much : SockMonkeh
  • i would gladly! : feek
  • THATS A FUCKING 50 DKP MINUS *sound of things breaking* : mallrice
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  Do we have enough captains so that everyone who wants to play in the tournament will get on a team? If no... : SockMonkeh
  • we have enough. : hirez
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  So does everyone get drafted? Even if we're not 1337 h4x0rz or a long-time member or whatever? I really w... : Pittst3r
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    You'll get to play, just not on my team... unless I have last pick and you're the only one left. : SockMonkeh
    • lol : hamachi
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    everyone gets drafted : hirez
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      I'm assuming the draft is from the players in the "Shacknews" Steam group? Or is there another group tha... : Alco23
      • When he first put this whole thing together, he made a special Shacknews TF2 Tournament group. I don't th... : Pittst3r
      • there is a Tournament group. send me a link to your steam page to get an invite. : hirez
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  I just wanted to thank you hirez for spending all the time to put this together and organize it. Must be ... : jason28
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    Not as big of a pain in the ass as you're gonna' have after you play my team! : SockMonkeh
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      I read "after you play on my team!" and was worried about the upcoming draft! (do not want rape init... : zebosausamite
      • Welcome to the team! Pull down your pants and bend over. : SockMonkeh
• Still Y for me. Fine, I'll shackmsg you. : rosewood
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  How large are the teams? : thief
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    But I want to be on a team with nearly all of the captains. We need more unknowns in there! : thief
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      Which is why I'm glad hirez is running this you team stacking cock gobbler. : midgetherder
      • I like to be on the same team as those who put up with my incessant and pointless nearly-narrative update : thief
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    Assuming all the captains get confirmed and no more people are added to the group, 12.25 people per team. : Pittst3r
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      oh wow--I was expecting, like, 5 or 6. At most 8. This will be fun. : thief
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        I'm going for 12 vs 12. but 8 on a team will be the minimum needed to have the match; the team with more ... : hirez
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          I think 12 players is a bit much. I think we should shoot for around 8 for matches, it will be hard to m... : dkrulz
          • WRONG! : SockMonkeh
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            nah. I fully expect that some people will not show up, or drop out, etc. So shooting for 12, but allowin... : hirez
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              So say on a giving night one team has 9 and the other has 8 that show up for the match. What shall we do... : flubba79
              • yep. Extra people go Spec, and substitute as their captain designates. : hirez
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          I really hope you can get 12 per team. Eight really is too few for the maps Valve shipped with TF2. They ... : Silent Sorrow
          • I've played with 8. it works, but 9-12 is better. I made 8 the cut off because I know anything less would... : hirez
    • .25? But Maddog can't be on every team... : rosewood
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  Cool, I'm a Y. I'm going to draft all the guys who kill me most, just out of spite. Which means my team ... : lowpoly
  • Haha, if I did that my whole team would be pyros. :( : SockMonkeh
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  Send me a link to your Steam Profile if you need an Invite to the Tournament : hirez
  • http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197961298870 : EvilDolemite
  • http://steamcommunity.com/id/xxiv : xxiv
  • http://steamcommunity.com/id/misterphoton : MisterPhoton
  • http://steamcommunity.com/id/jujubees : jujubees
  • I'm interested: http://steamcommunity.com/id/ArcticFox-13 : Arctic Fox
  • http://steamcommunity.com/id/alco23/ : Alco23
  • http://steamcommunity.com/id/mittense : mittense
  • http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197970387852 : FushigiDenki
  • http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197982309043 : hirosushima
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    http://steamcommunity.com/id/FaMiNe : famine101
    • Wait, I'm already in. : famine101
  • http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197960512505 : scosno
  • http://steamcommunity.com/id/graeh : seven
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    https://steamcommunity.com/id/theamazingrando : theamazingrand0
    • i tried inviting you, but I'm not sure it sent... : hirez
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    I've refrained from participating because I'm just not sure I can make it to all the matches. When are yo... : ieGod
    • whenever the most people on both teams can make it. : hirez
  • http://steamcommunity.com/id/coyoterys : coyoterys
  • http://steamcommunity.com/id/romulan : romulan
• captains, pick me first : mXENO
• So excited! : dmason
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  im a sleeper pick : Chandler55
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    jk im not playing in the tournament : Chandler55
    • Are you serious? You were gonna be my first or second pick!! : dkrulz
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  God... I hope I don't get picked last :'( : coraldayton
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    Me too (-_-;) : Pittst3r
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      Being picked last is awesome. You get to show other people what a stupid mistake they made! : Edges
      • Yes, but in my case it would only reinforce their decision. Jk, I'm actually not that bad. : Pittst3r
  • I hope I get picked last! : zen!
• it looks like if the draft takes place next week, I may not be reachable to hear about it. I'm taking my... : SolveChrist
• Oh yes, if any of you want to be on my team for any reason, please PM me with a link to your shack profil... : dkrulz
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  Once again, Captains, if you don't pick me I promise I will front-stab you. : dmason
  • If they pick both of us I will front stab them for every front stab you do. : thief
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    What is up with people bitching at the spies for a front-stab? "Dude please don't front-stab me" Wh... : EvilDolemite
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      It's mostly lag and faulty rates and things like that -- I'm fairly certain they only give backstab bonus... : thief
      • One interesting thing is that the backstabbiness of an attack is determined when the attack button is pre... : Johnny Law
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        for the most part i believe this, but i've gotten "backstabbed" when the spy was clearly right in front o... : electroly
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          Maybe there was another spy behind you! They are sneaky like that. : SockMonkeh
          • knowing some of the shack spies this would not surprise me : electroly
  • I was planning on snatching you up but I doubt I'll get my pick! : SockMonkeh
• I'm gonna be picked last. Guaranteed. Captains will look at my stats and be like: "WTF?" Anyhow, I hav... : Rice-Rocketeer
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  A request for the players: Before the draft, I would really like a thread where people list their availa... : Xevo
  • Aren't there almost 200 players now? I can guarantee that's going to be far too much data to handle and ... : omnova
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    I was going ask that people put this in their Steam Profile Pages. In fact, I'm going to add that to the ... : hirez
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      ok, I added an announcement to the SteamCommunity: BEFORE THE DRAFT - UPDATE YOUR PROFILES Please a... : hirez
      • That will be very helpful, thanks! : Xevo
      • When is this draft? I haven't really been keeping up on this, admittingly. : K1Bond007
    • updated : Grumbeld

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  what time does it start? : vrocket
  • MacWorld never ends in my eyes! : Degenerate
  • 9am Pacific, 11am Central Live updates, no page refreshing required: http://www.macrumorslive.com/ : manero
• Soooooo glad not to be in the city this time around. : nevicata
• Half an hour to go! Is there going to be live video streaming for this? : DingoStoleMyBaby
• I'm considering staying up, but that would be a disaster, its nice, right when I wake up I get all the ne... : snowwolf
• Get out your black turtlenecks TV-B-Gone :[ : My Documents
• How are people getting their info? http://www.macrumorslive.com/ looks good to me. No reloading. : Horn
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  I wonder if that Macbook will reallly be 3/16" thick. : oatmela
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    seems unlikely with the cost of solid state drives. Also, batteries are usually big and bulky, I didn't s... : Modulus
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      yeah, well if there's one thing Apple is good at it's making things very thin. I guess we'll find out sho... : oatmela
      • Now you and Apple can have something in common. : askedrelic
• lol, they got bomb sniffing dogs there.. http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/15/live-from-macworld-2008-steve... : DingoStoleMyBaby
• It's starting :o : DingoStoleMyBaby
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  weeeee i know at least 1 of the products to be announced muhaha : Yanks
  • didn't you work on the Starbucks thing, too? : Deathlove
• Is bozer here? I saved him a seat next to myself. : mancide
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  What would happen to Apple if Steve Jobs keeled over next week? Would it just die on the vine? : suqur
  • silly. apples dont grow on vines : epit
  • Many people would lose their iJobs. :( : DM7
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  Dear Jesus, give me a 64GB Touch. : Deathlove
  • ill give you a 5 finger Touch. : papaskot
  • I'll give you The Shocker. : Ride-My-Rocket
• That Steve Jobs fellow sure does loves stats and figures, hey. : DingoStoleMyBaby
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  man so that's how they're getting around time machine not working on airport drives, lame : Yanks
  • at least it's relatively cheap i guess : Yanks
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  I'll stick with my time machine + external 2.5" hdd : epit
  • I never thought I'd use it, but it's saved my ass a few times. A++ would use again! : Yanks
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  this time capsule thing better still let me hook up an external drive to my AEBS and use it, instead of b... : ]pm[chem
  • you and i know this most likely won't happen : Yanks
  • i don't see why it wouldn't. i am buying the 500gb the second it pops up on the store : multisync
• fuuuuck 20,000 iPhones per day average : epit
• I actually got an airport extreme because it was advertised to work with time machine. It doesn't, and no... : cdbeckman
• anyone know *when* in Feb the iphone SDK is slated to be released? : epit
• woo 1.1.3! : warpdude
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  GOOD BYE JAILBREAK hello official firmware : multisync
  • thank god. : xxiv
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  is there a live video feed to this anywhere? : Lynn Minmei
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    dunno but macrumorslive.com is pretty good feed : ]pm[chem
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      9:26 am Demoing now 9:26 am Lyrics 9:26 am Maps with location, Webclips, Customize home screen, SMS mul... : Lynn Minmei
      • Watch the images as well. You can expand them into their own autoupdating window. : tfboc
  • I don't believe so : oatmela
  • don't think so ... apple said a video feed will be up later today : smalakar
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  Will the new ipods be shown off today? : FushigiDenki
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    I'm going to go with no. : Yanks
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      Bah, why bother with this thing then. : FushigiDenki
      • 'cause they sell more than just ipods? ;) : losimagic
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  haha - $20 upgrade to get new apps on iPod Touch! : johnsto
  • SARBANE-OXLEY'd : MisterClaw
  • They say existing users, so will they be included with new Touches? : Carnivac
  • what? $20 to get a software patch that will allow touch users to load apps? : edgewise
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  lol 20$, that's a bit out of order : moshman
  • steve jobs tax : stgdz
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  hahaha $20 for apps for the itouch people, yeah people are definitely going to buy that : Yanks
  • I'd pay $20 for maps and mail.. that's what I'd use the iPhone for most of the time. : pilgrimage
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  lol @ current ipod touch users having to pay for new features that will be on all new touches. : mattfl
  • Seriously. Not enough money hats for the Jobs? : terath
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  That's a lot of movie studios on board for rentals. I guess that's Apple TV 2.0 INCOMING. : node
  • yeah that's a crapload of studios... : ]pm[chem
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  Live Stream http://ustream.tv/swf/3/viewer.12.swf?embed=,K4dbN347BUC9oZ5,p6tHwUyBKjIDFx4&loc=/&cid=,K4... : digital_d
  • doesn't work for me :( : handofthrawn
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  Yeah, sucks it costs $20, but I'd drop it. Mail + maps alone is worth the price for me. : disposition
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    Funny I already have those for free. : dilutedq
    • lol yeah..why pay 20 bucks for apples bullshit when you can just hack your ipod and get mad apps for free... : agentlead
  • Hahah I missed that it had mail and just ranted to myself that I'd pick up a touch in a second if it had ... : Jonathan
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  Movie rentals? Fuck yes. : alarm cock
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    Wait for it: BUT NOT IN EUROPE YET. I bet ya. : node
    • haha you called it. : alarm cock
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    the AppleTV may have a use after all! : Yanks
    • prices are reasonable : Yanks
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      Did he mention Rental support for the AppleTV? : suqur
      • muhahaha : Yanks
      • Ah, nevermind, there it is. : suqur
      • Apple TV Take 2. No computer required. Rent movies on Apple TV. DVD quality AND HD + Dolby 5.1 : Mansmells
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    30 days AFTER dvd release though :( : mattfl
    • Yea, that's kind of silly. : Ebu
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  what does that mean : Yanks
  • It's where all the Apple fanboys have gay sex while wearing black turtlenecks and listening to Steve Jobs... : Pittst3r
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  oh jesus. HD support on appletv 2.0 : warpdude
  • The first one had it, too, though only 720p. : dmason
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    did Jobs say that Apple TV Take 2 is actually new hardware? It should be a software update! : suqur
    • 10:00 am The new Apple TV is a free software update. : deveus1
    • It is a software update apparently. 2 Weeks. : Jonathan
    • Software. =) : tfboc
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      Apple TV price drop is delicious : askedrelic
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        Yes, yes it is, very tempted now. : node
        • Is there any reason to get it if you already have an Xbox 360 where you can rent HD movies and stuff? I d... : deveus1
    • Says, "New Software in 2 weeks" : Yanks
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    i want an appletv now :( i'm totally becoming an apple dork. : Korban
    • holy crap! price drop! i just might get one now!!! : Korban
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  Seriously, digital distribution is so much better than HD-DVD/BluRay that I hope this works out. : Yanks
  • agreed! : ckaps
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    I still like having the physical disk in my hand when I buy something. : mattfl
    • Yeah me too, physical media will be around for a while yet. : MaxPete82
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      lol. "when" being the operative word. : edgewise
      • ssshhhhhh ;) : mattfl
      • lol : FrayLo
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        haha i noticed that too : [fry]
        • I hate all of you! :) : mattfl
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      one click "Burn to DVD" would be a cool feature from within the software : mwasher
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        LOL, that will never happen, at least not directly from apple : mattfl
        • Burn to self-destructing DVD. : Geoffrois
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      I'll take both personally. Disc for movies you love and want extras + rewatching, digital rentals for mov... : node
      • it'll be interesting to see what the bitrate and such the HD movies are in and how long exactly it takes ... : mattfl
      • I don't think anyone can go wrong with digital rentals. : Jonathan
  • Sadly in places like the UK, digital distribution is decades off, most of our internet connections suck, ... : losimagic
  • Only if it's the same quality. But I don't envision 20-50GB downloads anytime soon. : shyguy74
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    yeah rather than 1 scratched disk i'd rather lose my entire collection to a power surge or hard drive dea... : grendel
    • I don't mind either way but Amazon Unbox biggest strength over iTunes is the ability to download as often... : Jonathan
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      you should check out this new thing called "broadband" it's really the future of the interhighwebs. the... : Korban
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        You should check out this thing called "HD MOVIES ARE FRIGGIN HUGE AND CURRENT BANDWIDTH AVAILABLITITLY S : paravis
        • this is of course, assuming that the movies you download, you can RE-download through your supplier accou... : paravis
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    The funny thing is going to be seeing a bunch of people who dismiss the "shitty" quality of HD rentals ov... : ColoradoCNC
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      Actually, I don't do that -- I've rented a bunch of movies over XBL. Selection kind of sucks though. : Yanks
      • That's my biggest gripe with the XBL service, too. They're pretty good for new releases, but they really ... : ColoradoCNC
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    hell no. I want to be able to keep my movies long term. Digital distrubition can't do this: - Hard D... : paravis
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      optical media does fail over time. If your harddrive dies you could conceivably redownload the movies fro... : derelict515
      • Even with DVDs, especially if you are a movie buff and like a lot of movies on hand, it's impractical. ... : paravis
  • No, it's not. Not until they come up with a CODEC that provides the same quality in a smaller format and ... : Fred Garvin
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  Come on Steve. Get to something interesting. Like computers! : terath
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    Still waiting on what this whole air shit is about :[ : DingoStoleMyBaby
    • I'm assuming part of it was "wirelessly" backing up to Time Machine. : silent77
    • To be honest, I'd really just like to see if there are updates to the Macbook Pro since I'm looking to re... : terath
  • Now now, they removed the "computer" from the company name for a reason. Just wait for the "Just one m... : MaxPete82
  • be patient little one. Saint Steve will deliver. Oh yes he will : oatmela
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  what time will the iPhone update be available? after the speech? : Korban
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    I'm still running 1.02. How do I update? Just get the new version of iTunes? : oatmela
    • Plug into iTunes and click update when your phone shows up in the list. : tfboc
    • i'm pretty sure. if you plug in the iPhone the screen in iTunes will come up offering to upgrade or rest... : Korban
  • Just turn your iphone screen towards the image of Jobs presenting, and it updates automatically. : MaxPete82
• me wants wii-mote for new apple tv kthnx : loboca
• get the suit off the stage! : dromo5
• Yay, lower price. 229 for Apple TV. : dmason
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  10:07 am Steve has re-taken the stage I had a mental image of him storming the stage with an axe. i... : Toraz Chryx
  • Get on the point! Get on the point! : terath
• here it comes! : burning eye
• Wtf Macbook Air : MaxPete82
• MacBook Air? lol, cheeeezy : vynn
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  10:08 am "The World's Thinnest Notebook" 10:08 am As you know, Apple makes the best notebooks in the ind... : Toraz Chryx
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    dude, it's so crazy you have no idea : Yanks
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      nah i'm just joking i have no idea : Yanks
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        Your NDA suddenly springing to mind? : Jonathan
        • not really -- cat's out of the bag. I only knew of its existence, not what it consists of. : Yanks
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    its just a flash based macbook, dell is also coming out with it too. : stgdz
    • uhoh, you just did it /me backs away : boomstickah
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      yeah, but the dell will be like fifteen inches thick and weigh half a ton, because to keep costs down it'... : Toraz Chryx
      • I already have a 128 GB Flash HDD in a raid array. You are behind the times. I have 8 16 mb flash cards... : conandan
    • oh look, you're wrong anyway, it uses a 1.8" disk! : Toraz Chryx
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  0.8 inches! the crowed goes wild. : burning eye
  • what : derelict515
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    i think this one is gonna be smaller.... those are the "competition specs" : mwasher
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      0.16" to 0.76".... damm. : Jonathan
      • that's what she said : askedrelic
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    we need a chart that compares notebook size to what pleasures females : FrayLo
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      scientific data: i think i just came, holy shit. : laurgasms
      • MARK IT UP ON A GRAPH. : FrayLo
      • Pix + divx. : Ride-My-Rocket
  • Tell us the price, Steve! : DingoStoleMyBaby
• macbook air ftw : johnsto
• MacBook Hair. : Geoffrois
• OOOHH MYYY GODDD : askedrelic
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  LOL 0.16" ! : mwasher
  • He finally made a Mac that is smaller than his penis. : RomSteady
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  Thank you, Steve, for not making me regret getting an iPhone for Christmas... : elwood00
  • lol : DingoStoleMyBaby
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    huh? : mwasher
    • i was worried he'd introduce iPhone Mark II, and it would make me sad i didn't wait a while longer to get... : elwood00
    • i was worried he'd introduce iPhone Mark II, and it would make me sad i didn't wait a while longer to get... : elwood00
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  $229 for AppleTV, with rentals...man...Netflix, give me a settop box, kthx. : Deathlove
  • they're coming out with one very soon I believe : derelict515
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  engadget is choking to death, where else can i read a liveblog of the keynote? : grendel
  • http://www.macrumorslive.com/ : deveus1
  • http://www.macrumorslive.com/ has been good for me after engadget choked early. : Jonathan
  • macrumorslive.com : node
  • macrumorslive.com : node
  • http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080115-macworld-ars-macworld-2008-keynote-live-on-ars.html : elwood00
  • Gizmodo has some neat pics http://live.gizmodo.com/ : DingoStoleMyBaby
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  Buh buh buh?! Multitouch Trackpad?! Excelsior! : coldfusioncs
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    OOOOOOOOOOOOH MMMMMMMMMMMMMMY GOOOOOOOOOOD : askedrelic
    • Oh shit.. *head asplode* : DingoStoleMyBaby
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  The tech writer we have working here, who's been the tech writer since the DOS days is such an anti mac a... : mattfl
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    As an honest question, what is apple tv doing different? I missed that part of the presentation and only ... : deveus1
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      It's going to have a much larger library than the 360, you'll be able to watch it on different devices, i... : mattfl
      • Well, I think I can already watch stuff on my Ipod and Iphone if i get it through itunes. The better libr... : deveus1
    • Nothing really, they just have much more studio support. : D45hiz
  • I bet he smells like a rose. : emcea
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  I like notebooks with a nice big screen, who wants to squint at a tiny 13" screen these days. : vynn
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    people who don't want to carry a 15"er around. like me. : johnsto
    • 15.4" is what I can stretch myself to. I do lots of graphical work, and hate scrolling so the bigger reso... : aaarrrgh
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      lol, not like they're heavy. Usually people put more shit in their bag that ways much more than the actua... : vynn
      • *weighs : vynn
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        they're not too heavy to carry obviously. But they're bulky and 6lbs isn't trivial if you have other stuf... : derelict515
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          yeah, my ibook is 5 lbs. and it's definitely noticeable. i hate when i have to bring it to class because... : electroly
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            5 pounds is a lot of weight? what the fuck is going on here : vynn
            • McDonalds is going on here. : TheTick
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              i have to walk a mile to campus and a mile back with that shit in my messenger bag slung over my shoulder : electroly
              • I've had to trek all over the country with mine and I've never been annoyed with it. Get a better bag for... : TheTick
      • it's not about weight. But I will tell you, I have a big and unwieldy backpack, which fits my lappy. But ... : aaarrrgh
    • I couldn't stand a laptop even at 15" :-( 17" or bust. I have a backpack and I used to carry it everywher... : TheTick
  • with a nice resolution? me. notebooks should be portable, functional, and practical. : mwasher
  • students. : laurgasms
  • That's fine for an ultraportable. My laptop has a 12.1" screen, and I have no issues with it. : afty
  • me. i have a notebook because i like portability. i've got a 12" 4:3 screen on my laptop but i'd love t... : electroly
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  I wonder how many MBAirs will be broken by their users : ]pm[chem
  • You might have to have an MBA just to use one. : Albemuth
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  1.8" HD, woah : MaxPete82
  • Yeah, there was speculation they'd use that instead of Flash. : node
  • 80 GB hard disk standard, 64 GB SSD as an option. "they're pricy, but they're fast" : re4ctor
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    If the Macbook Air is only 0.76 in thick, how did they fit the HD in there? : askedrelic
    • 1.8" refers to the width of the drive, not the thickness. : electroly
    • Wormholes : suqur
    • isn't 1.8 the width? : elwood00
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      1.8" is the diagonal, iirc. not the thickness. i mean, 3.5" drives are definitely not 3.5" thick :[ : warpdude
      • diagonal width :[ : warpdude
      • OOOOHHH MYYYY GOOOOOD : askedrelic
  • For your tiny hard drive failures. : Mad Brahmin Disease
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  what's the battery life steve tell me the battery life : sgtsanity
  • The Steve will tell you when He is ready to announce His specifications. : coldfusioncs
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    5 Hours? Oh please be less that $2000.... : Jonathan
    • $1799 to start. too $$$ for me to consider it. : jrock
    • YOUR WISH IS THEIR DEMAND or something $1799 ($1898 with the external optical) : Toraz Chryx
  • 5 hours : jrock
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  haha core2 duo that's just bananas : Yanks
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    Apple asked Intel to shrink the Core 2 Duo. Intel shrunk the processor by 60%. Was that in any of the ... : sgtsanity
    • Yeah, That thing has a Penryn in it, it's an absolutely and complete certainty. : Toraz Chryx
    • I assume that is the case -- Intel does not design processors for one customer. : Yanks
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      Probably the 45nm stuff. : askedrelic
      • As thick as a nickel! As wide as a dime! (this creeps me out a little bit) : Majuju
    • Hah fucking lol. Apple o_O : EvilDolemite
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      tellini: The processor is as thick as a nickle and as wide as a dime. What. How on earth did that mana... : terath
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        Are they talking about the core? : EvilDolemite
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          most likely since well pins can only be so small and i'm sure they did not design a new socket : Yanks
          • Sleazy ass marketing : EvilDolemite
    • Apple asked God to create the Universe. God created the Universe. : mwasher
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      lol apple. Intel did this for everyone not just apple. There was an article the other day talking abo... : boomstickah
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        he said it was a dual-core : oatmela
        • and he's talking about the single core, which promises to be quite a bit smaller than the dual core (I wo... : zerog83
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  1.6GHz? pah. : johnsto
  • You have seen what the TZ has in it right now? right :) : Toraz Chryx
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    You're kidding right? My notebook is 1.73ghz and its plenty fast enough for games. : boomstickah
    • I'd expect at least quad 2.8GHz and sli 8800GTX. :( : johnsto
  • johnsto, let me introduce you to parallel and multicore computing. It's neat! : EvilDolemite
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  macbook air is useless without pics : derelict515
  • http://www.macrumorslive.com/photos/ : re4ctor
  • macrumorslive.com, there's like a billion. : Deathlove
  • http://s3.media.macrumorslive.com/p/f1200420839.jpg : alnya
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  45 Watt MagSafe, 1 USB 2.0 port, Micro-DVI, Audio Out Hmm only 1 usb port... : re4ctor
  • grr i was hoping for wireless charging : opengl128
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    well in theory you've got your mouse and kb there so what else do you plug in? ipod? I wish more USB devi... : derelict515
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      External mouse, camera, mp3 player, external hard drive, external dvd burner etc. : re4ctor
      • camera is built in. : Jonathan
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        its an ultra portable. External harddrive and burner definitely should have USB ports of their own for da... : derelict515
        • I'm just nitpicking. I'd like to have seen 2-4 usb ports, just so I don't have to swap cables when I want... : re4ctor
  • well in theory you've got your mouse and kb there so what else do you plug in? ipod? I wish more USB devi... : derelict515
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  No thanks, dont wanna pay 10k for something that will break. : mavmavv
  • it does look like you could snap it in half : Modulus
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    Ahaha, 10k, good one : MaxPete82
    • zinged: $1799 : terath
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  I desperately want these things to ship in plain manila envelopes. That would be so awesome. : Majuju
  • + strap = stylish messenger bag : elwood00
• no cables? so, tell me i can sync my iphone wirelessly now : elwood00
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  13.3 is the perfect size. I had a 13.3 P3650 notebook in law school and I loved it. I now have a 15" wide... : Tommy Toolbag
  • I agree. I've had them as small as 12 and as big as 17 and 13-14 is the sweet spot imo : oatmela
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  5 hours battery life... : alnya
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    only? even with a solid state drive? : derelict515
    • wifi enabled : Chandler55
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  WTF is going on w/ Gizmodo's liveblog? Brian Lam's comments aren't appearing for me. : Albemuth
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    He's rebelling against Apple announcements : Deathlove
    • Apple banned him. kidding : terath
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    ArsTechnica's coverage has been beating Gizmodo and Engadget, btw. Much faster updates, they're just goin... : jrock
    • And their updates are in resumed form. Bullshit-free. : Nitrium
  • seriously, don't go to Gizmodo. There are tons of better sites with better coverage. : deathofrats
• 1799...reasonable : MaxPete82
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  $1799 ? hahahahahahah : dilutedq
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    So 1799 is a good price because it's thin? Even though it's slower and has less features? : dilutedq
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      yeah I mean, its smaller therefore it should cost less. They used less plastic and aluminum. Don't be stu... : derelict515
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        I feel like you are being sarcastic? I'm looking for a legitimate answer as to why it's crazy expensive : dilutedq
        • have you seen how much sony ultraportables cost? : cdbeckman
        • indeed, go take a look at similar products. It costs a lot to get everything into that form factor : derelict515
        • Define legitimate please. In the history of subnotebooks (which you don't know, I do), they've generally ... : carnivore
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  STARTING at $1799?!?! That's like.... £1799. No chance. : johnsto
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    Thats what I was thinking too :( When really if it was like £900 I'd get one : alnya
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      isnt 900 pounds $1800? : sludge vohaul
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        It is, but apple have a long and distinguished history of simply rpelacing the dollar sign with a pound s... : alnya
        • Well to be fair it's not just Apple - almost anything computer based was like that. : Jonathan
        • ahahaha thats retarded.. can't you just import it? : sludge vohaul
        • They did for Euro but POUNDS? Holy shit. : Mad Brahmin Disease
    • I thought they would be going for the EEE PC, OLPC market.. there's definitely a demand for them $400-$60... : DingoStoleMyBaby
  • It's £1199 http://www.apple.com/uk/macbookair/ : alnya
• $1799. not bad. : mem
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  damn, decent price point : Korban
  • Yeah, that's pretty damn cheap. : deveus1
• $1799 oh boy... : Jonathan
• OOOOHHH MYYYYYY $1799 GOOOOD : askedrelic
• nice, was expecting like 3k. : Maarten Goldstein
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  I would have liked to see < 1599 but whatever I wasn't going to buy one anyway : Yanks
  • Great, thanks for coming out. Enjoy the shrimp. : Majuju
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    Same. I hope they update the macbook pros with the multitouch pad though. : terath
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      I'd like to see the Macbook and MBP's have multitouch and a price drop. : re4ctor
      • Looks like no dice for us. :( : terath
• I want an Air :( : rosewood
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  No CD drive, what?! : mattfl
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    No optical drive, but a Superdrive accessory is available for $99. Also, software comes with the MacBook ... : re4ctor
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      What does that even mean? How can you borrow an optical drive? : aethyr
      • drive sharing, probably a lot like windows sharing : MisterPhoton
      • like this: http://cf.media.macrumorslive.com/p/m1200421775.jpg : re4ctor
  • It comes with an internal floppy drive tho! : DingoStoleMyBaby
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    Seriously, that is lame. : NFXFSX
    • not really. i dont think any other ultra portable laptop has an internal optical drive either. : j0nchan
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    Get an addon for $99 : Sailor of Fortune
    • I bought the thinnest and lightest laptop available so that I can lug around a brick so it can read DVDs. : TreMetal
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    Apparently it was more important to make it thin... I don't get this thing. I don't understand why peopl... : vynn
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      The keys are full size. : tfboc
      • by what standard? : vynn
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      i'd assume it's a full-size keyboard since it's a 13.3" screen. it's for people who use their notebook f... : electroly
      • yeah, confirmed from the website: it's the same keyboard the macbook has. : electroly
    • you don't understand why people want a laptop that isn't bulky and large? And despite what you may think,... : derelict515
  • that was known awhile ago, there's no way to get it that small with an optical drive. Just get an externa... : derelict515
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    I find I rarely ever use the DVD drive on my Mac for software, but I'd have a hard time using that as my ... : cdbeckman
    • but you can burn DVDs at home where you can leave an external drive plugged in : derelict515
  • "Remote disc" lets you borrow the CD drive of a local PC/Mac on your network if you need to install stuff... : hardfl1p
  • most subnotebooks don't have internal optical drives. : afrochops
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  So what shitty Intel GPU did they put in this thing? : D45hiz
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    probably the X3100? : Jonathan
    • this is correct : mwasher
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  That Macbook Air is gonna be so broken so many times : EvilDolemite
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    so take care of your shit. every portable electronic device i own is in pristine condition. : elwood00
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      A lot of laptops are built for travel, though. I have a feeling this is not. : MaxPete82
      • isnt that the point of having a laptop/notebook computer? So that you can take it everywhere with you...... : Galadriel07
  • Fully aluminum case. Better than plastic. But it'll heat up nicely. : mem
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  Apple TV 2.0 has me sold. : cookblaze
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    Only if I can play back my own h264 mkvs : rosewood
    • oh yeah i hope so too : choppp
    • it won't :( : Neech
  • Yeah, me to I think. : node
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  Hooray for no lead or mercury, that's actually pretty fucking great. : Majuju
  • ahahaha Randy Newman... "left foot right foot.. left foot right foot" : sludge vohaul
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    IIRC, isn't mercury essential in some computer components so they don't explode or something? I can't rem... : Sailor of Fortune
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      explode is essential in some computer components so they don't mercury? : sgtsanity
      • I remember reading something about how the EU banned mercury in certain computer components but it ended ... : Sailor of Fortune
    • that's what's wrong with the computers in star trek, i guess. the hippies took out the mercury, and now ... : elwood00
• Engadget not here. Engadget gone. Poor Engadget. : DingoStoleMyBaby
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  OH GOD ITS RANDY NEWMAN : askedrelic
  • hahhahhahahhahah : ant_hillbilly
  • Everytime I think of this guy, I think of him on Family Guy singing about what he sees... : stelth
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  Is there a "One More Thing" coming? : elwood00
  • No. : johnsto
  • I hope not I'm already lower on cash than I'd like. : Jonathan
  • there's plenty of time left.... : mwasher
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  No Ethernet port on the Air. :( : afty
  • maybe he just forgot to mention it? I hope... : MisterPhoton
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    now that is retarded : derelict515
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      Dude, the thing is thinner than an ethernet port. : node
      • they could've done a pop-out port like some PCMCIA ethernet cards : electroly
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        I realize that but as opposed to no optical drive, no ethernet could be a real pain in the ass on the roa... : derelict515
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          They'll just doa USB2 - ethernet dongle thing like others do, I'm sure. I'm not trying to sound like the... : node
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            yeah, I just hadn't considered that. I knew there'd be no optical drive and that's legit. I guess I see n... : derelict515
            • Yeah it is. Still, I've a P3 Compaq subnote that's thicker and slower than this, plus my house is wifi, s... : node
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    confirmed from the website :-( you have to buy a USB Ethernet adapter : MisterPhoton
    • and a hub for all your gadgets because it only has 1 USB port : sludge vohaul
  • Its a separate add-on. $29 for the usb adapter. : re4ctor
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  so no Iphone with 3g :( : ant_hillbilly
  • I love how everyone that was waiting for this kept moving up the date they expected it to be announced. : Zeeliv
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  HD movie rentals are going to be so hot. I hope the quality is good. i would easily drop money on an appl... : astonish
  • I just hope they aren't compressed crap. : gmd
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    how is this different from what the 360 has had for awhile? : sludge vohaul
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      I'm sorry, I couldn't hear what you said over the noise of my 360. : rosewood
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        so it's not different? Thanks. : sludge vohaul
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          I would guess that it's pretty handy for the millions of people that don't have a 360. Since I've already... : deveus1
          • I would like it to get implemented in Canada much better than they fucked up with the 360. Shitty movie ... : Majuju
    • USD transactions are more convenient (for me). I'm a lot less likely to dish out my MS points willy-nill... : adpalumbo
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  http://www.apple.com/macbookair/ whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooa : Toraz Chryx
  • $3k for the model with the SSD :O : re4ctor
  • i had a powerbook circa 2003 or so. i pretty much didn't like it at all. i wonder if i would like them gi... : xxiv
  • update: Pumping cum so vigorously I may die of dehydration. : Toraz Chryx
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    LMAO, $1000 to upgrade the 80gb to the 64gb SSD. haha : ant_hillbilly
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      how much do they cost elsewhere? 64gb SSD's are definitely not cheap by any means. Obviously $1k is for t... : derelict515
      • ya 64gb ones are still really expensive, now that I look at prices it might actually be relatively cheap.... : ant_hillbilly
  • sweet now they can sell you the add ons to make up for all the shit they took out : spaceless
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  http://www.apple.com/macbookair/ : smalakar
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    jesus christ that thing is thin : electroly
    • you don't need to tell me... : zerog83
  • $3100 with SSD : askedrelic
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    WTF is this shit!?!?! They can't be serious... how the... WTH! Who's going to...? That's way too thin.... : bitter ego
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      um... what? : Toraz Chryx
      • Sorry... I'm just a bit surprised, that's all. :) : bitter ego
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  Crap. It seems they didn't update the macbook pro with the multi-touch. No doubt they will though so now ... : terath
  • i'll be doing the same : ( : jojomcbobo
• fixed RAM on the air too :( : warpdude
• store open and mac book air available for order! : mattfl
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  i am underwhelmed by this keynote : grendel
  • I think the Air is impressive. I'm just not in the market for a subnotbook. : terath
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    Same, I thought for sure there would be an update for the Macbook Pros : afrochops
    • The worst part is that with the multi-touch pad you just KNOW the macbooks will be updated eventually. Wh... : terath
  • i give it a 2/10 : manero
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  wait, I thought 802.11n wasn't even out yet. Don't they have to call it pre-N or Draft N? : Modulus
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    Well there's probably a solid "N" standard amongst Apple Products so they might be able to avoid it. : Jonathan
    • well you can't call it 802.11n if it is a Mac standard. Shit needs to work with all Access points. ..but... : Modulus
  • yes. We have a router that runs on 802.11n I believe. : Galadriel07
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  Check Software Update guys -- I see new QT, iTunes, and Front Row : Yanks
  • Ugh. Why do I have to update that shit, with 60MB installers, every time some feature is added to some de... : nudel
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  so, you think the MBAir will run EVE Online's Mac Client? : MisterPhoton
  • i was under the impression eve classic can run on a calculator watch. : xxiv
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    it's an intel graphics chip, so i would assume you wouldn't want to try that : qwpeoriu
    • i own bitches on tf2 on my intel x3100 : Chandler55
• Atleast World of Warcraft doesn't require you to have a DVD check! : D45hiz
• That macbook air is damn sexy. It's not something I would ever be interested in buying but I really want ... : qwpeoriu
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  No 16gb iPhone? Blah......... I was actually thinking of getting one since my contract is up and it'd onl... : SatansFist
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    Odds are high that you'll see 16GB this summer. : Lone Swordsman
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      Yeah with 3g. Apple is not going to release another iPhone without 3g, it just wouldn't make sense. : ovrlrd
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        they may well charge $100 for the privilege though. : johnsto
        • Or just make it only available on the 16gb iPhone. : ovrlrd
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        Without 3g means other networks? : stonedonkey
        • Other networks? Apple has an exclusivity contract with AT&T for like almost 2 more years or something. I ... : ovrlrd
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      when is the next Apple Event where they announce products? Hopefully 3g and 16gb will be announced then.... : ant_hillbilly
      • They usually have special events that they plan for that sort of thing. It's rumored to be around March/A... : ovrlrd
      • WWDC in the summer. : Lone Swordsman
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  im sold. thats my next laptop, im in the market for one this summer. : Antilles_Prime
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    is it just the weight being less that you like or does the thing have some features that I am missing? I... : Galadriel07
    • i meant the regular macbook not the pro on the price difference things (my fingers type what they want to... : Galadriel07
    • Its not for everyone, but I mostly agree w/ galadriel. Its not a wholly new concept to remove the optical... : boomstickah
    • you pay for form factor, apple should've taught you this by now. It isn't easy to cram everything into so... : derelict515
    • Optical drive? You can back up your CDs and DVDs for watching, thats what everyone does anyway regardless... : ovrlrd
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      I'll answer as someone whom the Air really appeals to. I have a desktop PC at home that I use as my prim... : afty
      • get macbook for 1g : Chandler55
    • Yea, 1800 is way more than I'd pay for that. $1000, right now. $1200, yes. $1500, maybe. $1800? No wa... : Ebu
• Wow, Apple didn't do a straight $1799->£1799 conversion. It's £1199 instead. : johnsto
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  Just how HOT is the MBA going to get under my delicate hands? That has always been my gripe about laptops... : das_runt
  • It'll roast your legs completely and you'll be dead. : johnsto
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    my MBP doesn't get too hot to sit on my lap unless a) I have shorts on b) its already really hot in the r... : derelict515
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      they can get super fucking hot if you do something really processor intensive, like playing a game or som... : mikecyb
      • yeah, the few times i've tried playing wow (grinding) on the couch while watching tv have just gotten unc... : das_runt
  • there isn't any room for ventilation any more so there are metallic contacts on the bottom that transfer ... : electroly
  • Yeah my MBP gets hot as hell. : D45hiz
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    Well, both of your legs don't absolutely burned by the computer. It just your left leg only gets nice and... : yellowtexan
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      The battery takes up half of the footprint of the MacBook Air. I think it's pretty safe to say it's going... : ovrlrd
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        i'm wondering if the aluminum casing will help with the heat in any way : das_runt
        • AL is one of the best metals to construct a computer case out of so it will certainly help some but the M... : mikecyb
  • It only uses 7.4 watts, so I think that would help out a lot. : sgtsanity
• That MacBook Air is too damn thin, I'd fear breaking it anytime I transported it anywhere. : joesnizzle
• That remote disk stuff is pretty cool : oatmela
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  I haven't been able to get the 1.1.3 update for the iPhone, is it available yet? : Yanks
  • it's out today? : xxiv
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    ok actually I can, installing : Yanks
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      i'm excited. tell me what you think when it's done. (i don't remember what is updated exactly) : xxiv
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        first thing i noticed is that you can't put icons in "space" (they must all be anchored in line), so the ... : Yanks
        • can you delete icons from the springboard? i'd like to get rid of the itunes one as i have never used it ... : xxiv
  • I just updated mine. IT JIGGLES LIKE JELLO NOW! : kikilupo
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  I dont get the MacbookAIr. It seems more like a laptop replacement, a natural evolution of the laptop, no... : feek
  • This is what they want of course. I think they just can't get rid of all the other models because there i... : ovrlrd
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    this thing really isn't suitable for a primary machine where as a MBP can very much be someone's only com... : derelict515
    • Well, I feel like it comes too close to the primary machine status (in functionality, size, and price). I... : feek
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  The prices on the Airbook are just LOLZ. : Visceral Monkey
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    seems pretty reasonable for what it is... : Bantis
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      eeepc is cheaper by a fair margin : boring gegtik
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        yea you're right, the eeepc does all this and more; good call : Bantis
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          It's ok Bantis. You've been tainted by your time with the Macbook, we understand. : Visceral Monkey
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            have you looked at the specs for the eepc? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASUS_Eee_PC It isn't in the same ... : derelict515
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              Err, I didn't compare it to the eepc. : Visceral Monkey
              • I was just defending Bantis (not something I normally do) in his reply that the eeepc comparison is dumb : derelict515
          • I'm glad to be rid of my Macbook for my new Gateway. But some people are all about size and form factor; ... : Bantis
      • you're not serious right? : derelict515
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      Yeah try configuring something similar from someone else like Sony or Dell. It will be just as expensive,... : ovrlrd
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        I wouldn't argue that point. My point is it's still a laptop, just a smaller one. Of course, certain peop... : Visceral Monkey
        • Yeah of course it isn't the cheapest thing out there, but sadly we don't live in a world where you can ma... : ovrlrd
        • the thing is a 15.4" laptop while portable, is still a bit bulky and not easy to use on a plane or in oth... : derelict515
• 450 POSTS, SOMEONE POST THEIR BUTT : Majuju
• macbook air needs a touchscreen that pivots... oh wait... that would make it a tablet. : ^rec
• Can we watch the HD version of these videos/movies in iTunes on a PC? : Halen
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  No iPhone in Canada and $20 for apps for the iPod touch = :( : Mmmmmoo
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    The $20 is only for existing iPod touch owners. I think it's retarded though, but maybe they'll give it o... : ovrlrd
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      they can't because of sarbanes-oxley : Yanks
      • ? plz explain : Mmmmmoo
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        Is this true or just some BS Apple throws out there to justify charging for an update? They're updating ... : afty
        • Both the AppleTV and Zune had hardware changes at the same time so I'm wondering if there's something abo... : Jonathan
    • But I am an existing iPod touch owner. :( : Mmmmmoo
• I reallly want to play with one of these (not buy one). The iPhone looked sleek and small in the commerci... : derelict515
• They didn't mention if they're going to update frontrow on the macs to look like the new apple tv. and wh... : festivalman
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  lol MacBook Air doesn't have a user-replaceable battery http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/15/macbook-air-do... : DingoStoleMyBaby
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    Yeah I thought that would happen :( : Jonathan
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      I can't see it on Apple's site which is really shady. : Jonathan
      • Well it might depend on what you consider Integrated 37-watt-hour lithium-polymer battery to mean. : Jonathan
      • It is on there. http://www.apple.com/macbookair/specs.html "Integrated 37-watt-hour lithium-polyme... : yellowtexan
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  UNSOLD (not that I was going to buy one) No user replaceable battery on the Macbook Air. : cdbeckman
  • Whoa, as if $1800 weren't enough...ugh. What's the battery life even like? : Ebu
• hay guys, wats up in this monster thread? : thetangent
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  US: $3098 EU: $4253 UK: $3984 incredible... : moshman
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    take the SSD option out and it's half that price. tl;dr: SSDs are expensive : warpdude
    • that's not my point. my point is the ~30% price difference. : moshman
• ike everyone else, I have a USB external backup drive and an AEBS. Apple is never, ever going to get m... : ]pm[chem
• Can I download the keynote anywhere yet? : slax0r
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  no tablet? shame : Enigme
  • oh that would be so cool if Apple released a Wacom-like competitor. I'd get that in a heartbeat, provide... : deathofrats
  • They aren't really taking off on the mainstream yet, watch as soon as they do Apple will announce one and... : Sailor of Fortune
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  So, this new Macbook, integreate battery or swappable? : Fred Garvin
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    Integrated - http://www.apple.com/support/macbookair/service/battery/ $129 to replace and better beck up... : Jonathan
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      What can't they just make a battery cover on their devices? Would it be that hard? : Fred Garvin
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        it's actually fairly simple from what I've been told. When you sell a user replaceable li-on battery, it ... : Bantis
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          I can replace the battery on my HTC touch by sliding off the back cover. It's just encased in shrink plas... : Fred Garvin
          • my RAZR cell phone battery is basically a cell wrapped with tape : boring gegtik
          • I'm sure there's a size threshold; a Laptop battery is going to have a lot more cells than a cell battery... : Bantis
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            yeah but you have to make a lid for it, the latch for the lid to catch on, extra plastic shielding behind... : warpdude
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              sorry I'll cite my shitty RAZR phone again. ultra thin cover, almost exposed cell, minimal framing inside... : boring gegtik
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                and I'll cite the fact that your razr has a lot fewer cells than a laptop battery, and thus is a LOT less... : Bantis
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                  what risk are you talking about? That the battery explodes while in use? How is that any different than ... : boring gegtik
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                    I've never seen a laptop with a non shielded battery.. : Bantis
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                      exactly how much width do you think a user serviceable battery would add to the MBA and why : boring gegtik
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                        With the plastic encasing and the internal enclosure, atleast half an inch, probably a bit more : Bantis
                        • I'm willing to bet this is the reason why the battery isn't replaceable: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/... : Bantis
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                i don't doubt that motorola could've made the razr thinner and smaller if they had gone with an integrate... : warpdude
                • in short, fewer components is always going to be smaller. and offering the ability for the user to servic : warpdude
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                  I'll restate: the cell is basically a naked cell with electrical-tape-thickness wrapping around it. the b... : boring gegtik
                  • a cell phone battery is not going to run a laptop... : Bantis
                  • yeah, but what about the rails on which the battery door slides into place? the battery connector? the la... : warpdude
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              Well, they are engineering geniuses. : Fred Garvin
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                wow, good argument fred; you knock another one out of the park! : Bantis
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                  Try as you might, there is no excuse, to my and apparently many other's minds, to disallow the end user f... : Ebu
                  • I'm not arguing that it SHOULD be that way. I'd say if it adds extra width, it's worth it, etc. I wouldn'... : Bantis
              • And I love the belief that Apple's just doing this to piss people off or fuck over the consumer; I can ju... : Bantis
      • It's surprising, but it is an extra consideration even in just the enclosure design that is easier to ski... : maddy
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    user replaceable batteries are no longer in vogue with apple : boring gegtik
    • Fuck that noise. : rosewood
• Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgZKjJt-TkU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i32NkW0s94 : Fred Garvin
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  I like the appleTV and the price is right, but I am waiting to see how the LG netflix box turns out. : Jayx77
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    Will the Netflix even let you put on your own content? I think the AppleTV is really competitive. Netflix... : ovrlrd
    • would I even need to if it allowed me to dl/stream whatever's in their catalog? If they keep it at what ... : Jayx77
• freaking monopoly on thin consumer devices amirite? the EU will shred them : Downforce
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  What's the point of such a thin notebook?! Being able to ship it in an envelope?? : Mad Brahmin Disease
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    http://www.apple.com/macbook/specs.html - Weight: 5.0 pounds (2.27 kg) http://www.apple.com/macbookair/s... : yellowtexan
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      That weight you posted is for the external superdrive, the MBA is 3 pounds : ovrlrd
      • Thanks for correcting me. Argh, I'm multi-tasking right now. Probably should concentrate on the thing tha... : yellowtexan
  • have you ever carried anything around before : boring gegtik
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    Try carrying around a 5lb notebook all day and you'll get it pretty quick. : re4ctor
    • Not having problems with my 8 pounds one. Ok, that's a lie. : Mad Brahmin Disease
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  I was looking forward to buying a new laptop but $1900 for the base MBA, no thanks Apple, thats just ridi... : jayares
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    The MBA and regular macbook are targeted at completely different demographics though and I really don't t... : mattfl
    • doesn't the XPS have a decent video card so you can play games? Mind you I guess that's neither here nor ... : boring gegtik
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      I don't think they currently are, due entirely to form factor. I have plenty of colleagues who would othe... : maddy
      • I think there's still an empty spot for a more performant (and, yes, expensive!) semi-ultra-portable. ... : sgtsanity
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    Making it faster and having a better graphics chip would have made it like $1000+ more, let alone it prob... : ovrlrd
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      i'm not asking for the macbook and air to be the same as the macbook pro, just a bit more than the shitty... : jayares
      • Smaller size means the processor has to be shrunk down even more. These are special processors from Intel... : ovrlrd
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    jesus christ what part of "integration" do people not understand. how good a computer is isn't dictated b : warpdude
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      No, sorry LESS FEATURES = MORE MONEY = STUPID. Doesn't matter how you look at it. : dilutedq
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        thin is a feature to some people : Chandler55
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          and weight, but some people like to ignore logic : derelict515
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            It's not ignoring logic, yeah it's nice to have it not wiegh as much or be as thick, but for an extra $70... : dilutedq
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              laptop = loaded + compact + cheap. pick 2. i'm hijacking that car axiom, but it applies here in a way.... : xsoulbrothax
              • Well since this one isn't loaded then you only get to pick one :-( : TheTick
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      People think it doesn't cost anything to shrink things down. It is just some sort of magical thing that a... : ovrlrd
      • I don't think apple needed to get too much shrunk down. They removed the optical drive which took up A LO... : jayares
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    The MBA is a sub-notebook. Sub-notebooks from any vendor command a price premium. : mancide
    • Depends on what their target is. Clearly sub-notebooks designed to be cheap are cheap (e.g. Asustek Eee ... : Kentor
• I have to say the multitouch touchpad looks pretty sweet, but it's not something compelling enough to mak... : deject
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  Ok, great, but where are the updated Macbook Pros? Now I'm definitely not upgrading when I know that a mu... : Serpico74
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    cycling hardware updates is a good way to keep some of their hardware relevant while allowing another seg... : boring gegtik
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      I know, but I hate waiting. I have a four year old notebook that I really want to upgrade from. : Serpico74
      • I feel your pain... I'm in exactly the same situation. : ChibiJosh
  • Get a refurbished machine and sell it? Apples hold their value really really well. I sold my MBP for $500... : boomstickah
• That Randy Newman song saying 'At least America didn't give us Hitler' was just embarrassing. : slax0r
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  New AppleTV stuff is cool, new iPhone stuff is cool, but the Macbook Air is probably a dud. We will see h... : Serpico74
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    the people with too much money gap? technologically it's really cool... I mean it's kind of stripped d... : mikecyb
    • Oh, it's cool, I just don't see a significant enough advantage over the Macbook for the price, that's all... : Serpico74
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      "clearly geared towards casual use because of the low-end specs but the price kind of offsets that." is a... : adpalumbo
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        yeah I guess... kind of a weird market to tap into though I guess... I mean if you are going to spend $18... : mikecyb
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          Because it's like four times as large and heavy? If I didn't do development on my MBP, I would seriously... : adpalumbo
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            since when is the MBP heavy :( : mikecyb
            • I love my MBP, and it's a lot lighter than past laptops, but it's weight is non-negligible. If I carried... : adpalumbo
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            4x is a bit of a stretch, a 15" MBP is less than 2x heavier than the MBA. It's like 3lbs for MBA vs 5+lbs... : qwpeoriu
            • my laptop is small, 12" screen, but it only weighs I think 4.5 or 5 lbs and it's super light. I wouldn't... : mikecyb
        • Or a faster Macbook with the same size screen for a couple hundred less? : Serpico74
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  Can't wait to see how the MS/360 vs. Apple/AppleTV shakes how when it comes to securing digital content d... : byorn
  • i doubt we'll see the same sort of "exclusive" deals with this that we saw with HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray. i th... : Korban
  • Well the good thing is that there need not be exclusives so both can peacefully coexist without bankrupti... : Klebold
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  I guess a 3g iPhone wasn't announced, huh? : prime8
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    nope, which isn't surprising really. That and a tablet mac are both in the wings though. They just aren... : SolrFlare
    • Weak :( : prime8
• Also, I'm guessing apps installable on a jailbroken Touch aren't installable on 1.1.3 until that's been j... : prime8
• Great, so Steve did decide to fuck BluRay in the ass because he wants to rent us shit himself over itunes... : stuka
• annnnd STILL no voice-dialing for iphone. super : proclone1
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  if a game developer pushed around a wheelbarrow full of copies of their game, you wouldn't grab one out o... : grendel
  • misreplied, meant this for the COD4 developer/piracy thread. : grendel