Independent Repair Center Refuses Xbox 360
by Chris Remo, Jun 28, 2007 12:35pm PDTInternational reports continue to paint a dire portrait of Xbox 360 reliability, with an independent UK repair center refusing dead Xbox 360 units, one user showing evidence of being on his twelfth machine, and Microsoft allegedly outsourcing UK repair to Prague. (Not) Taking Care of Business Northumberland, England-based video game console repair center Micromart (NE) Ltd. has announced its refusal to accept faulty Xbox 360s suffering from screen freezing issues or displaying what it calls the "dreaded" three red ring quadrant lights. "This problem is endemic on the Xbox 360 console," reads the company's statement, "and the volume has made this repair non-viable." The company continues to support more minor Xbox 360 faults. Micromart is not affiliated with Microsoft, and offers repair service for a variety of video game consoles either via mail or through a physical drop-off location. The company states that users whose consoles are inoperative or freezing should deal with Microsoft directly. When contacted by Shacknews, a Micromart representative reiterated the "exceptionally high volume of this fault," which he claimed "has been identified as a fundamental motherboard problem." The representative declined to speculate on the overall failure rate of Xbox 360 consoles beyond a general relative assessment of the problem. "The level we experience is unusually high and information on the many website forums seem to suggest it is far more widespread than our own information," stated the rep. Recent reports also suggest that Microsoft's own UK repair centers are becoming overwhelmed with repair requests. According to claims sent by Xbox 360 owner Lee Sherman to the online arm of Xbox 360 Gamer Magazine, Microsoft's Havant repair center has begun sending some of its units to the Czech Republic repair center in Prague, while claiming to owners that the repairs are being carried out domestically. Sherman, whose console has been out for repair for some three weeks, allegedly tracked down the Prague center through directory enquiry service. When he confronted the Havant location with his findings, he was apparently told that Havant sees approximately 1,500 to 2,500 defective console per day, which are then rerouted to Prague. At the time, Microsoft had not commented on the matter. If At First You Don't Succeed... This week, Shacknews was contacted by Xbox 360 owner Justin Lowe, who has churned through eleven faulty machines and is currently running his twelfth. His story was reported in detail by 1UP, which has mirrored a call made by Lowe to a Microsoft support representative confirming his unusually high number of defective units. According to Lowe, defective units are frequently replaced by refurbished consoles rather than newly manufactured consoles, which may go some length to explain why it some Xbox 360 owners seem to astonishingly unlucky with their personal console track records. This would help in explaining the long saga of "Silent Wolf," a regular Shacknews reader who has had seven Xbox 360s replaced despite claiming to keep all of his consoles in pristine condition. "I am extremely cautious with everything I own. I'm one of those nerds that keeps the finger prints off his games," he wrote when his seventh machine died. "In two differnt [sic] houses, my shit keeps breaking, and this is only with normal use." Both Lowe and Silent Wolf claim to still enjoy their consoles, despite the many trials and tribulations that have come along with them. Turning Down the Heat Earlier this month, reports surfaced that Microsoft may be adding an additional heat sink to the Xbox 360's GPU in the hopes of diminishing the machine's failure rate. Microsoft has declined to comment on the veracity of these claims, which are supported by photographic evidence. Microsoft has taken a notoriously guarded attitude in response to accusations of endemically faulty hardware. "Y'know, things break," commented Microsoft's Peter Moore in May. "I'm not going to comment on individual failure rates because I'm shipping in 36 countries and it's a complex business." Moore called failure rates for the console a "moving target." In the past, Microsoft has claimed a 3% failure rate for the console and has stated it is within acceptable limits for consumer electronics. Speaking to Shacknews later that month, Microsoft's Shane Kim said regarding Xbox 360 reliability, "That is definitely an area we're definitely focused on, just like we're focused on cost reduction, just like we're focused on Xbox Live updates every six months." In an infamously unrevealing interview with the San Jose Mercury News, Xbox 360 hardware head Todd Holmdahl refused to directly answer any questions regarding the machine's reliability problems. Shacknews has contacted Microsoft regarding these matters, but had not received a response at the time this story was published.
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I work for MS (not on anything related to Xbox) and have personally seen the failure numbers from customer support. The "3% failure rate" stated by Peter Moore is accurate.
3% is really low for a system as complex as Xbox 360. Still, I hope MS continues to improve its 360 support.
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I think this ordeal gets frenzied because...
a) Its Microsoft
b) Everyone loves to hate on MS
c) Lots of people have 360's, so it hits home a lot easier
I think MS needs to acknowledge the problem, instead of deferring the issue to how they take care of their customers. They could have the best customer service ever, but when you're on your 8th or 12th box - that becomes a moot point. You can only wine and dine your customers for so long, before having to own up to the fact that your shit doesn't work and you don't know how to fix it [yet].
I'd put $$ down that the heat sinks and pipes on the GPU are just an interim fix before the 65nm revision consoles come...and you know they've re-buffed that design even more.
I bought my Dad a 360 for Father's Day, even with all this bad press about the 3 rings, and a buddy who just got the 3 rings himself. Yet I pushed him to spend the $60 for the 2yr warranty. The system rocks, but its not perfect.
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i love 3 red lights.. :))
XBOX 360 3 red lights error - repair service provided in LA, CA area but also entire US.
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So why do you dummy's keep buying 360s when its been known for a while that they have issues? It has design faults, Microsoft wants to charge you for the extra content that the developers want to give you for free. I don't get it. IMHO the 360 is not the game system to buy at this time. Upgrade your pc. Get a Wii or PS3. IF you must get a 360 wait for the revision.
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The towel trick seems to have worked, though. Shame, because I do dearly live my 360, but MS seem to not give a shit about support now.
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MS loses money on every 360 they sell. How do they make up this loss? By programming a random timebomb into random machines. Then they charge you the $150 to fix. KACHING...
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http://www.gwn.com/news/story.php/id/13140/Xbox_360_Failures_Explained.html
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Because I've now posted this, I fully expect to see the red rings tonight when I boot it up :[
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"Yeah these things die all the time, you should buy the warranty!"
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I nominate Xbox360 for shittiest home console system since NeoGeo. (for different reasons)
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This is true as they are certainly not a hardware company.
I own a 360 purely because it is cheaper and I prefer the controller with rumble. As soon as the PS3 comes down in price with rumble, I think it'll become my main gaming console as a much more robust and quiet system.
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Homebrew methods to pre-emptively tweak or after-the-red-ring revival techniques seem to be more effective than what MS/repair facilities can do...
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Anyway.. lets be hypothetical for a moment - and claim that a solid version will get released soon. If said happens, then what are the chances that it will end up at your local store? Very slim i will bet (until the store is done selling all their old stocked units).
Even if MS manages to step up and admit that there is a problem, then going on and releasing a solid unit - then i doubt that they will inform stores of a problem with old (bad) units.
Best news story quote haha
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56-gQq62Hyc&NR=1