Weekend Confirmed 175 - Saints Row: The Third, Disney Infinity

By Ozzie Mejia, Jul 26, 2013 11:00am PDT

Jeff Cannata is still in the outback, learning to play the didgeridoo. That leaves host Garnett Lee back at the homestead with The Escapist's Andrea Rene and Shacknews' Andrew Yoon and Ozzie Mejia to continue bringing you the best in games. This week, Garnett discovers Saints Row: The Third for the first time and he tells you why he's not completely enthused by it. Talk shifts to the upcoming Super Smash Bros. and Nintendo's bizarre aversion to YouTube, before Andrea talks about some of the big games on-hand at this year's San Diego Comic-Con. The show ends with a big discussion about the Xbox One's recent policy announcements before sending you into the weekend with a new round of Finishing Moves.

Weekend Confirmed Ep. 175: 7/26/2013

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    Round 1 - 00:00:35 - 00:28:44

    Round 2 - 00:30:24 - 00:58:20

    Round 3 - 00:58:57 - 01:32:35

    Round 4/Finishing Moves - 01:33:28 - 02:12:28

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  • Just wanted to say that I agree with Andrew about dressing up in Cosplay. It isn't about attention. It might be for some people for some it's not... it's about art.

    Cosplay is about wearing art that you have worked on for months. Conventions are a comfortable place to wear them because it is an accepted place to exhibit such artwork. I've seen people dressed in Cosplay out in the real world. As a gamer & geek, I can appreciate that it is art, but the dirty looks that these Cosplayers get from non-gamer/geek people is awful. They look at Cosplayers like they're insane. If that is your favorite way of expressing yourself, then conventions are the only place that you can express your artwork. And just like any artist, it is a personal choice as to whether you're willing to have a photo of your artwork taken or not.

    However, I do agree with Andrea in the sense that if you're a female/male Cosplayer and you have your goods hanging out, then it is unfair for that Cosplayer to complain about unwanted advances. As much as I am pro-sexuality, I have a serious problem about people particularly women leaving nothing to the imagination. There is a way to be beautiful and sexy without having to display your goods out in the open and that is much harder to do than just showing your half-naked body. Unfortunately, there are very few pics of women that do this. I understand that it is the artist's choice to do what they want with their Cosplay but unfortunately, in doing so, it only propagates this debate.

    I think the reason why this has become such an issue is because we're in the year 2013 and there has still yet to be a game where there is a female lead character and she isn't about looking hot. A great example in movies is Alien where Ripley was the main female protagonist in a movie created in the 80s, which was 30 years ago and we're still not there yet in video games. Look at Kill Bill! Hardcore female protagonist but I never felt that her sexuality was used to push the movie or a major point of her character. As a chick gamer, I just want to be able to play a more realistic portrayal of a woman and not have to feel disgust at "jiggle physics" being a major point of the game or boobs larger than physically possible.

    I'm not saying that art style shouldn't exist. They should since I truly believe that art exists in all forms... but can we just get some more in games where that isn't the case? I think more women just want a bit more variety and I don't think that's a bad thing to ask for.

  • Just a couple thoughts from the show last week (174), I was behind a little!

    I was out with one of my friends the other night and she noticed I had my 3ds in one of my pockets (I was carrying it around to get play coins for animal crossing :/ ), and that led us to the topic of games. She mentioned she has been addicted to a mobile game lately and I asked what it was. When she replied with 'Candy Crush' I kind of groaned a little. She asked why and I explained why some free to play games are evil. After my explanation she looked at the ground and mumbled that she has spent 18 dollars on candy crush in only a few weeks. I told her next time she has that impulse to text me and I will give her an awesome 99 cent game to try :) By the way she is a 25 year old, what I would consider a non gamer. When I asked why she liked it she said it was perfect for killing time and what's a dollar here or there??

    Second, I just want to applaud Christian on his rant against needing our nostalgic games and feelings to be replicated again. I am tired of people always looking at the past and comparing things directly. True, old school games and gaming were awesome, but there are a ton of amazing experiences we can focus on now and in the future! One example is a buddy of mine bought a RetroDuo for 100 bucks. He had it for two days and it broke ( the retro duo can play old console games, SNES, nes, etc). With that 100 bucks I told him he could have bought two or three awesome newer games instead of wasting money trying to capture nostalgic feelings...

  • I just finished listening to this podcast and every time you do this episodes where it's a party at someone's house or you are just a bit drunk always provides a good laughter and keeps me in good spirits :) So keep doing it.

    I think the reason some gamers worry about sales are because of the attachment that can come with a game, and more sales increase the likelihood of seeing a sequel or at least dlcs. I can give you a few quick examples of games that I wished sold better for the simple reason of wanting more of that universe. Wet was a good game that could become something really fantastic on a sequel, the Prince of Persia remake (2008) was also a great game that I wished I would see the end of that story, and I enjoy every game by Suda 51, but it's very unlikely that I ever see a Shadows of the Damned 2, and the game was fun, not that good but I enjoyed it.

    On the sex discrimination, I totally agree that it exists everywhere, but I can see how gaming can be perceived as an area on that happens more. There's an attention of the media for this type of stories and besides that, there's also the social aspect of it, because the gaming society is mostly online, people take advantage of the anonymous nature of it and expose their opinions more openly. There's that "safety wall" that when you're out in the world no one points the finger at you.

    Finally I'm also of the opinion that Garnet should play Sleeping Dogs :D

  • I'm a guy, who's also a virgin at 23 so I don't have experience dealing with women that way (not saving myself for marriage, and I've had plenty of opportunities, not the point). But I don't believe that when a female cosplayer dresses up as a really sexy character when the boobs are almost falling out, that she should be offended if some guys look at her chest. And this should be a general rule, cause when a woman has cleavage it's NEVER accidental, if you don't want guys to peek then cover them up. And women can't deny that when they see that a guy is wellhunged to the point where you can see the outline, maybe is shirtless with a sixpack that they don't look too. Sure if they come up and starts talking too your boobs then that's inappropriate.

    I've actually heard and seen alot of guys going up to the women who cosplay to take a picture, and are immortally afraid of touching them and instead of just relaxing and putting their hand on their shoulder or maybe waist, their hands just hover which is really creepy because its screams insecurity. Cause alot of the guys who go there to a weird degree respect women so much they almost think a hand on the shoulder is almost like trying to motorboat them.

    But I also think, and many of my female friends agree with me on this one, some of who are also hardcore gamer and knows about the industry, that we have started to use the word sexism way to liberally lately. One of the worst thing I see is when there is a hot female character, and everyone jumps at the bandwagon of "this is just to make young boys look at females as objects, that is not what real women look like". Well guess what, I sure as shit do not look like Kratos, and a friend of mine recently said she would let him f**k her in a heartbeat, and every single one of my female gamer friends has the most gigantic crush on the model that plays Male Shepard. I guess for women it might be different but I don't really feel offended that they want to use them as their personal sex toys.

    The real places where the industry has problems are the guys who said the reason ME3s ending sucked was because of the female writer, or the girl getting harassed at EVO last year. And commenters on GT criticizing Jessica chobot on the bonus round recently because of what she was wearing, or that period where she changed her haircut and the youtube comment page was all about how she was now "ugly". But that last one is more of a problem with people who are in the spotlight. Like those fashion shows that are strictly about criticizing what celebrities wear on the redcarpet or whatever (there must be a special place in hell for those people, and where the women usually are way more nasty then the men).

    Lets just be very blunt here. Andrea is an insanely beautiful woman, and is pretty much a geeks dream girl, especially since I tend to get a crush on redheads. But I could never find her attractive if she turned out to be a complete airhead, she actually seems like a smart woman that doesn't take everything so seriously and isn't a prude. And I really don't have a problem with thinking that she is hot and at the same time respecting her opinion (even if we don't always have the same views, just like Garnett or Jeff) and also look at her as a person with valid points. Heck her opinion is way more valid then mine since she has found a way to get paid to do what she does, while all the work I've done for different gaming sites has been for free. So when she says it's hard to walk that line between wanting to feel sexy without being objectified I would say she is already there. She gets to do what most of us listeners would kill for and get paid for it, are there some that watch her show just because she has a pretty face? Sure, but the same can be said about weather girls.

    The world is full of double standards and it goes both ways. If I'm extremely drunk and starts pulling my hand down the pants of a girl after just talking to her for 5 minutes, i'm a pervert and possibly a rapist. But the times that has happened to me, i'm the "weirdo" for not banging her at the clubs toilet. I'm not trying to make myself out to be this great stud or anything as I've said i'm a virgin, but I've had women becoming very offended that I didn't take them up on their "offer".

    I could go on, but instead I'll leave you with this: (and answer the potential flood of hate responds)

    In the end I don't believe that there is more sexism in the gaming industry anymore then there is in the world in general. If you want to see some REAL sexism you should just watch Fox News or follow the politics of the republican party in general.

  • I feel it's important to make an addendum to Garnett's friend's 'cockblocking' predicament.

    If you see a woman getting harassed, by all means, make it uncomfortable, I will give you double thumbs up for giving someone a good escape option from an *uncomfortable* situation.

    *however* It's also important to remember that cons are fundamentally a large social gathering of traditional non-social and potentially awkward individuals. A great many of them are consenting adults in full command of their wits. If two people are hitting it off, you are just as much of an asshole screwing up two people connecting over a shared hobby as if you did the same thing in a bar, or a club, or a library or whatever.

    Again, if we're talking a 34+ year old dude quizzing a girl of questionable years who doesn't seem to know what 'private photo shoot in my hotel room' is likely to mean, by all means, clue her in, or interrupt the dude or whatever you need to do.

    Just be VERY careful in who and why you're doing it. You're just as likely to piss off the lady if you shoo away the guy of comparable years she was really connecting with, or interested in getting coffee with, or even dragging the dude back to her hotel room if that's what she's interested in. No one hired you to be their chaperon, and the person dictating to others who is and isn't allowed to be attracted to each other is very rarely the hero of the story.

    Think first, and respect the choices people make. A great many of us in the nerdy persuasion don't often get opportunities to be social face to face, be aware you can do more harm then good.

  • 41:00 ; Who the fuck would think this was a good idea?


    I think EXACTLY that more often than I like. I also act out two guys in the development process talking to each other about implementing the thing I dislike.

    Example: Naughty Dog;

    Dev 1: You know how we're a story driven survival game?
    Dev 2: Yeah?
    Dev 1: What this game is, is great character interaction and stealth gameplay right?
    Dev 2: Right.
    Dev 1: What if, instead of doing all that great stuff with interesting stealth-combat, we void our own stealth system and force all AI in specific instances to instantly know where the player is?
    Dev 2: Hmmm maybe, I'm not sold yet.
    Dev 1: Well, we'd force the player to suddenly play shooter style.
    Dev 2: But that mechanic doesn't work very well with this type of game.
    Dev 1: I know! So, let's make them start all the fuck over if they die.
    Dev 2: That sounds like a great idea let's do that!

    I've had more ridiculous ones I can't think off right now.

  • I don't think curation and surfacing of content will be bad on Xbox One for two main reasons.

    One: the trending lists will feature games and apps that your friends are playing/buying. If you get enough like minded people on your friends list (and since you can have up to 1000 friends), finding great games shouldn't be a problem. This greatly separates the Xbox One store from say the iOS store where there is only a small featured page, and then lists of top paid/free/grossing apps.

    Two: As a fan of video games, I listen to a wide variety of podcasts and read (probably too many) game sites. If there is an awesome game that I'm not hearing about, then the games media isn't doing its job. I never would have found out about some gems like Ben There, Dan That (thanks Justin McElroy) if I only looked at Steam top sellers.

    Also as far as Microsoft's ability to curate good content, the Windows Store in Windows 8 does a pretty good job of featuring new apps and games. In the 8.1 preview, it is even better so I have faith that I'll be able to find great games on Xbox One.

  • Loved the show. Probably the only show I listen to regularly (and I used to listen to a lot of them). Listen people, It's Garnett's GOTDAMNED SHOW! Let him be himself! If you haven't been listening from the 1UP days, he's change a mega-ton so no need to whine and complain. He can manage his own reins. This whole discussion of Garnett being unfair or rude to Andrea is ridiculous. My feeling of Andrea aside (not fond), I think she handled herself well as always. She's bold and acts like ONE OF THE GUYS! What's the problem!? The Blossom thing was an inside joke that spilled out. Totally fine for Garnett and the crew but certainly not us to ever bring up in her presence . We don't have that type of rapport with her so I would never bring it up in person.

    Anyways... Andrew, your view on cosplay is perplexing. Cosplay or not, these days people will take a photo of you permission or no permission. We live in an Instagram Tumblr life. embrace it or start carrying around EMP emitting devices.

    Indie Devs... I think Indies are the much needed "Le Trou Normand" form the Skyrims and Maddens of the industry. Devs like Thatgamecompany provide the much needed palate cleansing when everyone is trying to do the "Same old thing". Andrea, now that you have Steam installed, play "Don't Starve", "Dust: An Elysian Tail", "Monaco: What's Yours Is Mine", etc. They may not be system sellers but "Fez", "Minecraft", "Jorney" and the like are weights (how ever small in comparison) that "tip the scales" in a platform holders favor and at this point the PS4 is tipping the scales in it's favor.

    Gender inequality (in the gaming industry)... Unfortunately it's a male dominated genre and market at it's core (at least on the user/gamer end). In some ways female gamers get ogled and school boy snickered at but at the same time some female gamers use their femininity to bring awareness and attract other women to the market. As I pointed out in another thread, "Mass Effect is set in the far distant future where hopefully humans have evolved rather than be mired by gender bias. Cinema homework for the community...." G.I. Jane" and "Courage Under Fire".

    Saint's Row the Third.... OMG the moments I had in co-op with that game. I bought it on PC (ALWAYS the BEST experience IMHO) for myself and gifted a friend a copy during a Steam sale (Just as I did or normally do with games on the cheap. Gifted Retro City Rampage to my buddy. *Glaring at Andrea*) and ..... Wow. The conversations, the laughter, the mayhem and the screenshots .... ohhh... the screenshots. Just as I mentioned in Twitter Garnett, SR3 is like the "Hangover" of sandbox games. When you get your boys together to look at the photos one last time.... damn... the stuff yo do in that game. Side note. The Car customization lets you really sit long and hard about how you want your ride to look.

  • About the whole indie channel on the current XBLA, this hot mess of a space was only available in the US and not the rest of the world. I never got why Microsoft didn't make it globally available. Then again, it was mostly vibrator "games" with barely a handful of actual arcade style games, like that surf game that looked like it was made on a graphic calculator. That's the only one I remember because it was the only one that left a good enough impression on me.
    I have my serious doubts about this self-publishing on the xbone. So far, Microsoft has not convinced me that they are the kind of company that really cares about indie any, if at all. This doubt also comes from the creator of River City Rampage talking about it on twitter, shortly after the announcement. Lets wait till GDC Europe and see what's what.