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  If you're a Valve fan, you should be used to such news. :( They are one company who only delays in an eff... : David Craddock
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    So does Blizzard. Pretty much only Blizzard and Valve are allowed to do this ... because they still l : Iwannaacura
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      Yeah, but Blizzard is also able to do it because they're ridiculously rich and can afford delays. : David Craddock
      • Are you suggesting Valve doesn't maintain a significant revenue stream from Steam sales of third parties'... : rudds
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    Yeah, but I was hoping they were developing the Portal/HL stuff in parallel with the L4D2/TF2 stuff. But ... : ventro
    • You may notice Pixar's turning into a sequel factory lately too. : rudds
    • Toy Story3 : nunami
• It's hard to be a fanboy when there's nothing to fan for, yeah, but (lets hope) early 2011 is not so much... : SpaecKow
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  You're the guy who wrote this? http://www.members.shaw.ca/halflifestory/ That's pretty impressive. : The Grolar Bear
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    Yeah. I haven't updated it in ages though, and there are a lot of changes to put in. I'm waiting until HL... : ventro
    • Wow you did a great job on it, btw. : Dontdrop
    • Wow holy shit I used to read that in 2005 or so. Good fucking job! : givemesnacks
    • I'm replaying the entire Half-Life series this month. I just bookmarked what you did 2 days ago. Thanks! : Patakreps
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    Reading now : jigstah
    • Ok that was awesome! : jigstah
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  I felt that way waiting for Half-life 2. I still stayed up til 2am on a work night to play it when it un... : aasyranth
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    The steam network was hammered to shit that night too. I could remember "OMFG FAPFAPFAP UNLOCKING!!" : Iwannaacura
    • yeah, I was amazed that the unlock and final download stuff went so smoothly. : aasyranth
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    9800 owners who ended up playing other games on it for a year check in here : 60days
    • .o/ : swimteampie
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  I treat them like Blizzard and id. The game will be done when it's ready and it will be awesome when it ... : melkore
  • Agreed. : NastyJack
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    I'll start complaining when they make a game that isn't completely awesome. I've always had a lot of fun... : Haku-Jin
    • Ricochet? : Zips
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    It's not really about the delays, it' s about their priorities. Maybe it's just that every game they've r... : ventro
    • That may say more about the quality of OpenGL drivers on OSX than anything else. Our animator had to swit... : Conan
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    In to agree before some asshat takes a pot shot at Id >=( : pixelat3d
    • To be honest I never played Doom 3 but I bought Quake 4 and Enemy Territory Quake Wars to support the eng... : melkore
  • Agreed, though my impatience mainly comes from just wanting news. Just knowing what they are planning in ... : byorn
  • I don't know about lumping id in that category anymore. : Ebu
• trust in Frohman : Downforce
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  Ventro what was your take on L4D2's announcement considering how long it had been since EP2 and we're sti... : abrasion
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    It felt so unlike the Valve we know. Maybe they are just maturing, but it feels like a safe financial dec... : ventro
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      ON the contrary, I think that most people (and I think all people should) have eaten their words about... : millakazuya
      • But imagine if they put in the time and work to make the difference between L4D2 and L4D as big as the d... : ventro
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        That's right - but L4D1 was a fantastic game which is now effectively dead and been retired too early. : abrasion
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          Even without L4D2's present I can safely say the game would have eventually hit a wall. While L4D was gre... : Godhatesfatpeople
          • present = presence. : Godhatesfatpeople
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  Blizzard is going down the hole since Activision took over, Valve not so much. They make great games that... : Techy007
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    so are you alluding that SC2 will be a huge flop? : redfive
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      I didn't see him say that, are you putting words in his mouth? : abrasion
      • note the word alluding : redfive
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      SC2 is a fun game and the masses will likely get it. Bnet 2 and the longer term prospects are not as hot... : MamiyaOtaru
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        what? As far as we know, what's coming longer term is all starcraft sku's, diablo3, more world of warcraf... : mnok
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          Have you actually been following the scene at all or are you just piping in? : abrasion
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            Australian pro gamers left in the dark! All 3 of them are forming a committee to protest. Blizzard will r... : derelict515
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              Hehehe at bandwidth cap but seriously I'm not sure what prompted the dig. : SpaecKow
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                I just think abrasion is drastically overestimating the breadth and degree of outrage, especially in cert... : derelict515
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                  The server seggregation stopping people play with their international friends is a direct cash grab.
                  
                  I forgave splitting to 3 games, they might just have a point
                  I forgave the LAN being removed for online only - fair call it would curb piracy and it will still work.
                  I never cared about chat channels being removed, I let this pass, obviously they are planning something else
                  
                  The server seggregation and lack of ability to change region - especially in light of Frank Pearce's interview outright clarifies their focus is selling multiple copies, this can not be taken any other way.
                  Also your retarded comment about 'aussie pro gamers being left in the dark' is most definitely retarded as ALL pro gamers are left in the dark because none of them can change region, Asia, USA or Europe - and it's not just pro gamers as communities like Shacknews has made clear. *I* can't play with you guys and play with my pals in Melbourne.
                  
                  It's a cash grab, plain and simple - and it's a sign of their poor attitude, Frank Pearce threw first chip.

                  Jun 09, 2010 8:23pm PDT
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                  The server seggregation stopping people play with their international friends is a direct cash grab. I : abrasion
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                    and I think it's absurd to call it a cash grab. I don't think it's a good decision but it's completely il... : derelict515
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                      Why are they doing it, what possible other reason can there be?? Give me any other reason which makes sen... : abrasion
                      • Using previous Blizzard games as an example doesn't prove anything. They ran on a different multiplayer n... : derelict515
          • err, we are talking about blizzard going down right? Am I missing something? I don't know what "scene" ... : mnok
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    Uhm... what? This really needs some explanation. : Zips
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      It's pretty straightforward, their attitude has changed, Valves has not. : abrasion
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        No, really... expand upon this. How in the world has their attitude changed? It's not like they're pump... : Zips
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          this is where he chimes in with how their network and SKU policies are clearly and 100% obviously the res... : derelict515
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            Something along those lines, basically - their attitude is changed, straight up. : abrasion
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              Ok... so you've really yet to state why you think this and are only trying to pass your opinion off as a ... : Zips
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                well that's the point, there's no evidence any of the changes that annoy him have anything to do with Act... : derelict515
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                  3 skus of starcraft 2? not that i will play any of em : Floppygrandma
                  • No I was referencing the region locked SKUs which is the part abrasion will complain about and blame Acti... : derelict515
              • because saying the same shit over and over gets old, and it gets people accusing you of saying the same s... : MamiyaOtaru
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                Yes I'm trying to pass my opinion off as fact, not my opinion. Only on shacknews. : abrasion
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                  And yet again, you fail to give any reason to back up your statements. You're coming across as basically... : Zips
                  • Zips, rather than zip in 5 hours after the thread is done, why not read all the other posts in a thread b... : abrasion
                  • no, you don't know what you're talking about and and would rather call abrasion a troll and whatever with... : moshman
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        I have not seen a single change in attitude from Blizzard since the takeover. What are you referring to? : mnok
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          Open your eyes, I am at work and literally don't have time to go googling for you, how you can't know ab... : abrasion
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            god abrasion this shit is so week. if you're not going to actually back up what you post because you're ... : Sapiens
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              PS i hate you : Sapiens
              • <3 : abrasion
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              Read the rest of the subthread, take note of the people who clearly agree and share the same opinion. ... : abrasion
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                this post kind of illustrates what zips is talking about and what i'm crying about. you are really good ... : Sapiens
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                  Jesus christ this is the dumbest post I've seen in weeks. I've made it quite clear that it's pointless f... : abrasion
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                    you are the dumbest post i've seen EVER. in looking through this shitfest of a thread and i see a bunch ... : Sapiens
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                      http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=23172452#itemanchor_23172452 : abrasion
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                        & http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=23172448#itemanchor_23172448 : abrasion
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                          fucking finally, next time just link to your goddamn post and shut up : Sapiens
                          • http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=23172502#itemanchor_23172502 : abrasion
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    11 Million World of Warcraft Subscribers Starcraft being the national past-time of South Korea despite i... : alias bean
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      oh yeah their recent actions have a whole lot to do with an 11 year old game being played in Korea : MamiyaOtaru
      • My point is that Blizzard has been more or less doing the same thing for 2 decades, they don't just pump ... : alias bean
      • Lol, yeah, it's not like they're making a sequel to a 11 year old IP. OH WAIT, HOLY SHIT GUYS, STAR CR... : Shivawn
  • They haven't release a single game other than WoW expansions, what the heck do you mean? : DasCracky
  • if by going down the hole you mean making more money than ever and still making the best games in the wor... : mnok
  • Activision has not taken over. Activision Publishing and Blizzard Entertainment are separate divisions, ... : slax0r
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    Look at this video, and tell me they aren't tripping up. Activision is more to blame than blizzard, but s... : Techy007
    • Activision is the fucking DEVIL. I can't believe Blizzard allowed themselves to be bought by such a Terri... : greh kleh
• Just have patience : chungathebunga
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  I understand that you're disappointed that Portal 2 has been delayed, but honestly, get over it. You'v... : daVinci1980
  • seriously, who the fuck cares at this point. you'd think gamers would be used to delays. : valael
• I agree, its been close to three years since EP2. I have enjoyed playing the left4dead stuff but I would... : stgdz
• The Valve guys would be late to their own funeral. : Thresher
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  Today was a tough day for us valve fanboys, but hold faith true believer im sure there will be something ... : Blazer1982
  • even if there isn't, I'm sure Portal 2 will be worth the wait no matter how long it gets delayed. : valael
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  You'd start disliking a company because of a game delay? wtf? : sanchez
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    It has nothing to do with just the delay, but the recent trend in their priorities and decisions. I'm sur... : ventro
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      I'm not sure what you mean, re: priorities and decisions? : SpaecKow
      • Seemingly more focused on TF2, L4D and p0rtal, rather than the Half-life IPs, is what I think he's drivin... : lightly inclined
    • Oh supporting their games unlike other developers? : Iwannaacura
    • L4D3 and 4 have to come before HL2 EP3 !!! : abrasion
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      You're talking about the lack of Half-Life: Ep3? Did you ever think that maybe they're making it bigger ... : Haku-Jin
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        lol no : askedrelic
        • Good point. : Haku-Jin
      • Hope so. : ventro
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        Honest question though, will you be disappointed if in 2011 we get Ep3 and it's the same size as Ep1 and ... : K1Bond007
        • That's a big 'if' but I'd probably be fine with it. Maybe they lost some passion for the series, maybe t... : Haku-Jin
        • I'd basically feel the same way. : dmason
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      massive free game addons, constant patches, a humorous connection to their community, utterly polished an... : EvilDolemite
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        It's not worrisome, it's fucking frustrating that the signature Valve game is being ... well left for dea... : abrasion
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          What evidence do you guys have that lead you to think they aren't working on Half-Life? : Haku-Jin
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            They obviously don't start work on games until they are announced to the public. Duh. : Serpico74
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              L4D2 should never have come before EP3, period. : abrasion
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                Do you understand that they have multiple teams? Cause they have multiple teams. : daVinci1980
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                  I do! and the resource allocation fellow - he put too many on the wrong team! : abrasion
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                    The L4D team was mostly comprised of the folks who made up Turtle Rock studios, who were themselves forme... : daVinci1980
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                      If they can churn out a sequel so quickly, why not just work a bit more on more features for L4D1 at the ... : abrasion
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                        Have you played the game yet? I'll fucking gift you it next time its on sale so you can quit bitching ab... : bld
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                          I have L4D2 - it's not a bad game - I think it's quite good. I _still_ think it came out too quickly, t... : abrasion
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                            I am pretty sure it was a hard decision. The new infected and adding melee weapons does not work with th... : bld
                            • People think I hate L4D2 and I don't - I've only played a little bit but from what I saw it had great lev... : abrasion
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          this is the company that took nine years to build team fortress 2. i would relax. they aren't stealing ... : EvilDolemite
          • I personally saw Gabe Newell eat a kitten. : abrasion
• I wish our deadlines were scheduled on Valve Time :D whatever, it's worth the wait. : lowpoly
• I'm not all that concerned over Portal 2. I'm just irritated that I bought into their episodic content an... : Pettytheft
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  Valve helped me get my start in the game industry 10 years ago. I'll always have a huge soft spot for the... : cannelbrae
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    NOLF3NOLF3NOLF3NOLF3NOLF3NOLF3NOLF3NOLF3NOLF3NOLF3NOLF3NOLF3NOLF3NOLF3NOLF3NOLF3NOLF3NOLF3NOLF3NOLF3NOLF3... : SpaecKow
    • With Kit and Kit only plz. : abrasion
    • :) They were great games. I can say that without bias as the first was done before I was hired and I w... : cannelbrae
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    Valve is one of the reasons I'm here today speaking to you, if it weren't for them, I wouldn't have had t... : Amnesty_intl2
    • This touched me deeply : fishbone
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      How old are you AI? : SpaecKow
      • 32 : fishbone
• Yeah, Valve's great. I still laugh at this (Valve-related) video: http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/409049... : Jobos
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  Ever since L4D2 came out and defied most of Valve's standard operating procedures, and was/is still an aw... : MercFox1
  • Pretty much. : Godhatesfatpeople
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    I'm not exactly clear on "defied most of Valve's standard operating procedures"? : melt_core
    • But I agree wholeheartedly. It was even so before L4D2. : melt_core
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      I think he meant they defied people thinking the game wasn't going to offer anything new or give enough c... : Godhatesfatpeople
      • Ah. Yeah it pretty much made L4D1 look like a proof of concept... : melt_core
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    They have no standard operating procedure. They insanely supported 1 game they released. That's right. ... : kingdepork
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      What are they supposed to do with a 12 year old game, a six year old game and an expansion pack for a six... : SpaecKow
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        Oh and they just released an update for all the old pre-Orange Box Source games with achievements and gra... : SpaecKow
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          Exactly. I almost feel like Orange Box is a fucked up experiment. It's to see if the entitled PC crowd ... : kingdepork
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            Ohhh ohh now i see what you're saying, like their games suck now but they patch them into being good. : SpaecKow
            • Yeah I don't see that at all. : SpaecKow
            • No. Awesome games. Insanely support 1 game. Fans now have expectations that insane support will cover ... : kingdepork
• i just want Episode fucking 3 already : grendel
• We all feel this way but once HL2: EP3 or HL3 comes out we'll forget why we were ever pissed in the first... : baconisgod
• But hey, Team Fortress for Mac tomorrow! Fan that or BOYCOTT : excessus
• It seems they're focused on MP these days. I couldn't care less about that stuff, I just want HL3 ;-( : tcs
• HL2: EP3, Portal 3, and the DOTA clone they are working on in the next Orange Box! : Nighteyes