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  American Eat Shit And Die: A long, long time ago I can still remember how those bastards They shot u... : Majuju
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    That is a long song! : CrustaR
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      blame Don Maclean! : Majuju
      • A different Maclean was doing level work on the game, though... : RomSteady
• RIP, Duke Nukem! :[ : CrustaR
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  who wins the release date pool? : gmd
  • We all lose. : baron calamity
  • Anyone who said that t would never be released I assume lol. : Mad BH
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  how long will the official mourning period be? How many people have been affected and how much aid do we ... : scorpiusman
  • Take the average mourning of a game in development being canceled, and multiply it by 6, this is the mini... : one random winner
• 3D realms was still around a year ago? What changed?... Obama... It's all his fault. : baronzemo78
• reposting Sunlight streamed into the window of room 512 at the Edward Memorial Hospital. A figure lay wra : grandmasterlee
• I hope George still post here in the future even tho the company is gone. : grabbie
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  I'm actually more excited about the game now than I ever have been. Something will come out of this, whe... : CrustaR
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    Really? Without 3DR I don't give two shits what comes from it. I've seen what Duke looks like in third pa... : avatar_58
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      I wouldn't say that. Duke was cool because the character itself was cool. Take a piss, look at a mirror ... : handofthrawn
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        Except how many companies would see a Duke3D esque game as profitible? Instead we'd just get some lame li... : avatar_58
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          I think a number of first-rate studios would love to take a crack at DNF. Can you imagine what would h... : Lone Swordsman
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            That's exactly who I *don't* want to get it. While I loved Doom what has id done in the single player rea... : avatar_58
            • Agreed. Best bet might be Human Head given what they did with Rune and Prey and their past experience ... : dedgecko
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      I don't know. If 3dr was like 90% done with the game then we can expect to have most of the stuff intact... : CrustaR
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        90% of the work is done during the last 10% of the development. : Topaz
        • So that would mean if it was within a year of going gold, that's 1/13... 7.7% of development left. So of... : lolpatrol
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        Take Two had the publishing rights, nothing more. Ergo this would be a new game, not something created fr... : avatar_58
        • Then it would suck. :[ : CrustaR
  • HARD LUCK CLUB. : Omaha
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    That's kind of odd, I wouldn't really expect that it will be picked up by anyone. It's probably a dead pr... : nomaad
    • yeah...right : needlez
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      Duke has a strange currency that's long outlived the game that started it. He's a part of pop culture. : Lone Swordsman
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        I don't think that Duke has expanded much (if at all) beyond a relatively small niche of the population t... : action wombmate
        • ^^that is what I was trying to say, but you worded it better. : nomaad
  • it wont be the real DNF : feek
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  as much as it sucks for the devs that worked on the title they now have an ace in their pocket when worki : stgdz
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    This is actually FAR more accurate than you probably believe. : wieder
    • How is life after 3DR for you now? : Goblin au
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    dev monkey "OH wait, you worked on DNF, you haven't had a release in over a decade... let's discuss my id... : zebosausamite
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      ex 3DR employee "Yes we didn't release a game in over a decade because of idea's like this" : stgdz
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        dev monkey "You're talking? I'm pretty sure there are trash bins to be emptied." : zebosausamite
        • hahah : mnsnota
  • Who's going to hire someone that hasn't produced anything in over a decade? It's like those doctors in I... : skitzo
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  Is anyone really surprised? I mean 15 year development cycles cannot be profitable.... : raspu2n
  • Kind of. I'm not surprised that we aren't getting the game but I somehow figured the money they were gett... : baron calamity
• Fuck it. I'm still betting on Duke. Always bet on Duke. : ADSliv
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  Cancelling DNF is some magical cantrip that will actually make the game finish. : grandmasterlee
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    yeah, i think 3DR going under is the best sign about DNF in years. maybe somebody else will inherit the p... : dirge23
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      i dont know if 3dr can really have any reputation left after this. : NeoMoose
      • now, no way. but i think fear of tarnishing the 3DR and Duke brands is what kept any of DNF's iterations ... : dirge23
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      Just as long as it isn't Derek Smart : Toraz Chryx
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        Did you say Derek Smart? : rosewood
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          Shut. The fuck. UP. : Ajax
          • Oh please, DEREK SMART DEREK SMART DEREK SMART. He won't come in here. : carnivore
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  Holy shit. Shacknews is on the front page of Reddit! : ADSliv
  • The Shack is also the third result on a google search for 3drealms, even before wikipedia (the first two ... : mtgDoofy
• I really don't know what to think of it. I am bummed for the company and the game I wanted to play. : bombay
• I guess they shouldn't have funded the Max Payne movie. : skitzo
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  [fry] said it pretty well last night... screw them and riding on their reputation for 10 years, milking i... : dignan
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    I 100% have always felt Quake > Duke : zebosausamite
    • and I've always felt Quake sucked since I played Duke3D. Then again you know, I like fun SP over MP so th... : avatar_58
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    The original Duke was an amazing 2d action platformer. : one random winner
    • That was the last Duke I enjoyed. : zebosausamite
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      i was too busy playing that chick in a jungle one from Apogee, Jane? i forget the name : dignan
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        Jill of the Jungle : urban garlic
        • Oh, and it was Epic MegaGames, not Apogee : urban garlic
  • I think most would agree that their reputation, and their high standards to keep that reputation was prob... : liqker
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    "screw them" sounds pretty harsh. they didn't do anything to you. : tashtego
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      stringing customers along for more than a decade counts as doing something to us. : dirge23
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        your fault for giving a shit for this long. 3d realms has been irrelevant for nearly a decade. : mwasher
        • i personally have not been expecting a good DNF to ever see light of day for a very long time : dirge23
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        If that counts as doing something to you... wow. No one held a gun to your head : twifosp
        • well it's not like they raped my grandma or something, but stirring up hype for something you can't deliv... : dirge23
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        This sounds like the same kind of nonsense that was thrown all over the place here when Gamefly bought th... : Rauol Duke
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          totally different circumstance. : dirge23
          • Yeah that Shack is still here and the same only we have Alice being awesome in exchange for money now. It... : Rauol Duke
        • Let the kicking while down commence! : Dave-A
        • You are right it is a fucking video game which is why people acting like the world is ending is hilarious... : Evil Benius
        • Holy shit, I had no idea this happened. How long ago was that? : Dobbs
      • Not really man. That's a ridiculous notion. : virus
      • I know! You deserved that game! Your train of thought is pretty amazing. : devi| dog
      • they did nothing, they own you nothing, you did nothing to earn anything from them, all of this false sen... : two50six
      • How Entitled of you. : CRasterImage
    • yea probably bad choice of words there, not sure if fry said that exactly, but 'got what they deserve' wa... : dignan
  • And let's be honest, George B astroturfed vaporware in here for more than a decade. : MaJeStu
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    Duke was a lot more than strippers and pipebombs. : Lone Swordsman
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      what else did it add? : dignan
      • pig cops : Cihte
      • Tripmines, kicking, destructible environments and a better sense of humour, among other things. : Lone Swordsman
      • customizable sound events : j0nchan
  • Right, because bracket fry bracket is someone to abide by. : Fred Garvin
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  my thoughts and prayers go to dognose in these tough times. : bosst0ne
  • George should call him up personally and show him what was done of the game. : thebigbeefsandwich
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    He's fine! I wish people would stop mentioning his name...this is getting really old. : CrustaR
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      It's an old shack joke, which you participate in and reinforce... http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=... : zebosausamite
      • I didn't mean in terms of Duke Nukem, but I mean in terms of, "I hope he's okay." : CrustaR
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        And no, I won't link you to all the posts. : CrustaR
        • I hope you're ok. : zebosausamite
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        Quit being such an internet defender. it's a joke yes, so just let it be a joke. geez : carnivore
        • Stop doing what you're doing. : zebosausamite
    • IAWTP : freakynipples69
• It's about damn time. : GoodBoy
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  How did Dognose take it? : pun][sher
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    He's doing alright. Said to take all the worry/good thoughts for him and give them to the developers out ... : LoioshDwaggie
    • I still think we need to put him on a 24-hour hold and confiscate his shoelaces, belt and any loose cloth... : HojuSimpson
    • That's because he is a good guy (tm). : rosewood
• honestly, I never considered the possibility that 3dr would just shut down. I assumed they had a minimal ... : supersonic potato
• After initially being pissed, I got a good nights sleep, and I think I'm okay with this. It could have b... : supamart
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  Sure, the fate of DNF is pretty much fucked up right now, but the fact that so many developers are out of... : freakynipples69
  • Also, could DNF have really lived up to 13 years of hype? I'm sure it would have been a kick ass game, bu... : freakynipples69
  • Good luck to all the Devs out of work. I wonder if we will learn more. : pun][sher
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  people in the industry: will former employees at 3dr have a decent shot at getting hired somewhere else?... : hamachi
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    Never thought about this. Good point. : pun][sher
    • do they have demo reels or can they show code they worked? or how would a manager know they actually did... : hamachi
  • Honestly, without knowing EXACTLY why DNF was in development for 13 years, it's hard to say. I'd say the ... : freakynipples69
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    I think it's going to be a huge problem for them. The IP isn't released so they are going to have a hard... : twifosp
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      Like my post above, the majority of the team was working on a product. Working on the same game for 13 ye... : freakynipples69
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        I think it would say negative things about your determination and work speed if someone was there for 13y... : hamachi
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          I guess this is true. But I guess we'll never know why it did take so long. : freakynipples69
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            I like when other industries do post-mortems on things. either success of failures. and in this day and... : hamachi
            • I hope so. : freakynipples69
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              Yeah, but I expect to be from the online sites devoted to the PC Gaming scene or random blogs from impor : hatelull
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                oh I agree. but this one is pretty big and unusual enough that it might garner interest from a "real" jo... : hamachi
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                  Without people from 3DR talking, it would all be speculation and yellow journalism, yeah? : hatelull
                  • oh I agree. that's why most bloggers suck balls compared to actual journalists (not all of course). I'm... : hamachi
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                  I'll bet money Wired is already working on it. Probably Clive Thompson. : Attica Blue
                  • I'll be all over a Wired article on the topic. : hatelull
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                    can we get our crack team of shack guys to follow up on that? I'm going to email that guy now ( I only r... : hamachi
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                      Here's his blog: http://www.collisiondetection.net/. Talks a lot about games. He's a regular contribut... : Attica Blue
                      • I emailed and got a response already! he doubts wired will go for it. at least to pay for all the tra... : hamachi
  • If they have been there for 13 years... they probably will have some sort of stigma attached to them. ... : MrLobo
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    The managers of this project should never work again! : raspu2n
    • they never worked before! : Cihte
    • more importantly they shouldn't be _managing_ : lordlobo
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    if they have a good portfolio then they'll have no problems. any artists or level designers or programme... : mikecyb
    • also I am going to guess that a lot of the people who were let go yesterday weren't at the company for DN... : mikecyb
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      Are they even allowed to show work that was never published? : skitzo
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        that's a good question, and I don't have an answer to it since I'm not an artist/animator/etc, but I thin... : mikecyb
        • this is not true, you would need permission to do so : Unleashed
  • I don't think it will be a problem for guys like Brian Hook to find another job elsewhere. : freshyk
  • What people don't realize was that 3dr had a high turnover rate. I knew people who worked there for a fe... : deathofrats
  • Even the worst people I have ever worked with manage to get 2 or 3 more chances in this industry, so anyo... : acheron
  • It will not be hard for them to get interviews just based off the fact they worked at 3DR and people are ... : Porkasaurus
  • Why would they have a problem? : two50six
  • From what I understand, employers in the game industry seek people who have something FINISHED to show of... : Orange Pylon
• Gone are the days of laying down laser mines at spawn points. *sniff* There was truly nothing like frag... : The_Archon
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  I'm actually happier this happened. There's no way Duke could have been good enough to warrant the dev c... : Bruzilla
  • No, it's pretty fucking gay to cock tease us for 12 years. : skitzo
  • See this point never makes any sense to me. Why would you hold a game to a higher standard based on it's... : liqker
• What about the Duke Nukem movie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol : NukemFornever
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  3DR should give Dognose a private beta game of what they accomplished, even if unfinished. : kainen1
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    i wonder if they'd seriously consider releasing some form of the game to kinda please the fans. : Korban
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      I bet taketwo has some say on what does or doesnt get released since they own the property rights to duke... : chilln
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        the Duke Nukem IP is owned by 3DR, which still technically exists. T2 owns publishing rights to DNF. If... : mikecyb
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          What if it's, "leaked"..? Like when Doom 3 was leaked by ATI. Did Activision take any action? : Cihte
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            that was a leak of the E3 demo, not the actual game. this would be a significantly different kind of lea... : mikecyb
            • I think you're swell. : Cihte
    • probably not because whoever they sell the rights to wouldn't like that very much : Sparticuse
    • I doubt they have much to even release or they would have done this. : Porkasaurus
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  Publicity Stunt! : judge
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    Can you imagine? That would be fucking amazing. :) [not holding my breath] : PlanetPerfecto
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      doubtfull, less then a month to e3 and you have take2 saying they are cooked(publicly held company so the... : stgdz
      • I know. It would still have made a great publicity stunt though. Rest in pieces Duke! I want a new ... : PlanetPerfecto
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        Unless I missed something, the only statement Take Two made was that they retain the publishing rights. N... : Mmmmmoo
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          don't start, they are dead. A con like this would be huge, you have all the employees that have to pla... : stgdz
          • I've seen nothing like that. All I've seen is that 3drealms is "closed". Nothing about bankrupt. Nothin... : retardhumper
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            I'm just saying Take Two has not made any official statement on behalf of 3D Realms. : Mmmmmoo
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              T2 is only their publishing partner, I don't know what statement they could make for a company that they ... : mikecyb
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                Take Two : Biggest let down since Daikatana. : skitzo
                • dude, Daikatana was conceived, built, switched engines, scrapped, rebuilt and released during DNF's devel... : mikecyb
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                  Yeah I'm actually starting to get sick of this comment. (no offense to you, skitzo) : virus
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                    Take Two : Biggest let down since Daikatana. Retracted Take Two : Biggest let down since Fox canceling... : skitzo
                    • hahaha nice : virus
              • I think I worded that funny. I meant to say they don't speak for 3DR. : Mmmmmoo
    • No, that would be fucking retarted. : razlebol
• The situation sucks if true I feel for GeorgeB and the rest of them. Dognose.. Can Sleepy scan in those ... : AndyGoin
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  Valve should pickup what's left from the game :) : pun][sher
  • If they did, we wouldn't recognize it. : freakynipples69
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  It's just a game. : stump
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    We can't except this. If DNF is just a game then what does that say about or lives? : S1ing B1ade
    • or accept it. : S1ing B1ade
  • Shacknews is just a website. : pigvomit
  • it is a baby made of 0's and 1's. we watched it grow up to be 12 years old. but now the parents are dead ... : mindshot
  • Stump, you do realize you are posting on a gaming forum site, right? : deathofrats
  • ..... : Mad BH
  • actually, it's a development studio. : Nali4Freedom
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  There is a front page post for this actually. : Fred Garvin
  • You can wander to the front page if you want, but it's treacherous. : liqker
• I was hoping to wake up this morning and see a story about it all being some bad joke :( : sanchez
• called it : JINKY
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  So, what happens to the Duke IP now? : punchdog
  • It's hard to tell because 3DR never really talked about their financing situation. If it was purely mone... : liqker
  • I bought it for $3.50 and am going to give it to dognose for his birthday. : hirez
  • Dognose is finishing it up now. : stump
• I still stand by what I said last night: http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=19854888 : virus
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  Also, http://gamingisstupid.com/2009/05/06/the-chair-story-revival/ : virus
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    Can this even be real? : K0LM
    • notice how story is in bold :) : liqker
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      please : boring gegtik
      • Pretty funny though. I love the part of them breaking of the legs of the chair. : K0LM
  • thats so wild : feek
  • oh give me a break. : hirez
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    He posted in the 3dr forums that it's fiction. : freshyk
    • thank god. : virus
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    can I get a TL;DR? : voodooraze
    • on second thought... I don't care. : voodooraze
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    Goddammit, virus : genjuro
    • Whats your problem now? Can't post a semi-relevant link? : virus
  • wow... speechless. : chilln
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  Is George B alive? I would have thought the owner of 3drealms, after 18 years of business would at least : deathofrats
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    I'm sure there are many legal issues preventing him from doing so. Besides, he has to be devastated ri... : freakynipples69
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      What kind of legal issues are there for a company that's going out of business?? : nukewinter
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        bankruptcy? : deathofrats
        • I DECLAR BANKRUPTCY! : j0nchan
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    Yeah, I wish he'd come around but I bet he has legal obligations to keep quiet for now. : virus
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      Not only that the dude lost some of his life's work this week, he can't exactly be very happy or social r... : Scotty22
      • on the other hand, no one comforts as well as the shack! Come here Georgie! Come here... : dfz0r
  • no tweets or posts since may 3rd : lordlobo
  • I'm sure the dude is in a fantastic state of mind right now and is greatly worried about the Shack commen... : acheron
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  Have you guys seen this? http://services.google.com/latitudevideo/view.html#n0dsgqdd5m0CME5z05s0 : retardhumper
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    What does this have to do with DNF???? : CrustaR
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      did you watch it to the end? : retardhumper
      • Whoa!! : CrustaR
      • What a bad prank. :[ : CrustaR
      • IM SO SAD NOW :( : ateam311
      • not cool. : freshyk
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    DNF ETHREE? : mwasher
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      E3!! : Majuju
      • oh, haha : mwasher
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    WAT : DrWaffles
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      http://services.google.com/latitudevideo/view.html#n0chbj5m0gnqrd5z05s0 : DrWaffles
      • I love the look on the one guy's face at the end. "This was such a waste of time :|" : focusdaily
  • haha DNF ETHREE : posito
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    Wait a minute, what is this? : melt_core
    • http://services.google.com/latitudevideo/ : mikecyb
    • a cruel joke. : voodooraze
  • Man I could not figure out what the second line said for the life of me : Begawkiness
  • What the fuck what the fuck what the fuck what the fuck : notd665
  • http://services.google.com/latitudevideo/view.html#n0lx-bnbj5m0Rtbj5z05s0 : voodooraze
  • Have you seen this one? http://services.google.com/latitudevideo/view.html#n0Bnbjr5m0H-Knud5z05s0 : razlebol
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  the front page comments are incredibly cruel and harsh it sucks that they closed down. we won't get t... : EvilDolemite
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    welcome to the internet : boring gegtik
    • I need those inflatable wading things : hamachi
  • i cant deal with that thread. I wrote up nearly a full page counter response about how ridiculous people... : smacknca
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    I doubt they had 50 people working on the game. : Porkasaurus
    • two years ago it was over 30 people developing, and i'd imagine they have an admin staff as well : EvilDolemite
  • it is to be expected http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model 1) Denial: 2) Anger: 3) Bar... : stgdz
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    I'm just sad we'll never get to play the game. : voodooraze
    • perhaps take2 will find someone to finish it off : EvilDolemite
  • I went by the quartertothree forum and it's far far worse there. : freshyk
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  ok here some info from the golem forums (which is despite the site itself being informative is the anus o... : Hoax
  • so in theory, if 3DR could find a new investor/publishing deal they could buy back the rights and continu... : smacknca
  • Thanks for that TL;DR. I saw it poorly translated through google in the news article comments. : focusdaily
  • whoa. that's just astounding if true. : hirez
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    So if 3DR can find $35M, we may still see the game. : Omaha
    • I'll contact my mortgage guy! : Omaha
    • Sounds like it's time for a bailout! : delataur
    • Seriously... I hear it's best to invest for the long-run, what an opportunity! : vitaminzach
    • Someone call Obama, stat! : Spoetzl
    • Gawd, that's a lot of dough! : CrustaR
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      If all shackers kick in $50 how much would we have? : orgcaptainnemo
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        $150 : Maarten Goldstein
        • I bet they could save 3DR with a tshirt fund raiser. : Rauol Duke
        • I was going to say $50 but Maarten has always been more of the visionary. : bashildy@speakeasy.net
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        if you check the flowchart from last WE and the prior years you'll see that we would only end with 45$ an... : r3dn3ck
        • flowchart? more like pie graph :[ : r3dn3ck
        • count me in : kainen1
      • I dunno, do we have 700,000 shackers willing to donate $50? I could see a gamer wide call to save 3dr ac... : one random winner
      • since we cant even count on shackers to send their WE's, probably $0. : hirez
    • that sounds like at least another 3 engine overhauls! GET ER DUN!!!!!!! : Downforce
    • They should take donations from gamers. I know I'd donate some. : pun][sher
    • lets all preorder :P : boomstickah
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      No, they will fucking burn through for another decade without producing shit. : skitzo
      • but i like rewarding bad business decisions. : Turd Ferguson
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    why would you wait till the last week or so before looking for funding? : feek
    • apparently it was unexpected and george did visit them on jan 26th according to his twitter http://twitt... : Hoax
  • Dognose will get a credit card with an infinite limit, charge the whole thing to the card and save the ga... : pigvomit
  • I wouldn't be surprised if its a half truth. As much as I like George they need to get some suits in the... : handofthrawn
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    http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=7653477 : haiku
    • haha : maulla
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      Quote of the decade: http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=7653534#itemanchor_7653534 : MrLobo
      • that whole thread is gold. : Hoax
      • LOL. That thread is awesome : Mrc32
      • Fucking shit. These two posts are gold. : Godhatesfatpeople
    • oooff : Rauol Duke
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      the inf'd GeorgeB post halfway down is lol : eeeealmo
      • oh man : delataur
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        So either we're absolutely stupid and clueless, or we believe in what we are working on. In the end, you : pigvomit
        • Someone needs to assemble a quote list regarding this project and pin it to a timeline. : Porkasaurus
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      3drealms had no money so they asked the publisher for a handout, going away from the self financing descr... : Hoax
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        Pharaoh Khufu would find that quite acceptable. : haiku
        • thats because they used a hook to claw out his brain from his nose. : Hoax
        • It is unclear if DNF would stand the test of time and become a wonder of the world. : pigvomit
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          Hey haiku, you're rich. Why don't you bankroll 3DR? : rock elf
          • i don't think they will accept rapedollars : Hoax
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        since that time the economy has gone to shit, most peoples investments went under water. they are probab... : smacknca
        • Who would've thought bernie madoff would be the one to defeat duke nukem? : marku5
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      Hopefully he is right and can find a publisher that will give them enough money. But the publisher might tell them they have to meet deadlines (can they do that? possibly in a contract or something?) if they want any money. I don't think a publisher would want to invest right now if the game will never be done.
      
      I just have a feeling we will never see Duke Nukem Forever. Maybe they should just release it as open source and have the community release patches to build it up to a final build.

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      Hopefully he is right and can find a publisher that will give them enough money. But the publisher might ... : thrallie200
      • Oh God no the last thing we need is a Duke Nukem Free-ever where NPCs get stuck in walls and the sound ef... : Omaha
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        No publisher is going to want to pay 30 million dollars for Duke Nukem. There would be very little retur... : deathofrats
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          I didn't know they needed 30 million. Fuck it, they should just put it up for download the way it is. : thrallie200
          • that's not true. the RUMOR is that Take2 offered to sell back the publishing rights for 30m when 3DR came... : grifter
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  I have trouble believing that any company that has been around for that length of time can go from busine... : Darky_06
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    we have no idea if it was sudden, and there is considerable reason to believe it wasn't sudden, they just... : electroly
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      Siegler's post also reflects the unexpected nature of the situation, as he was unaware of the impending s : vitaminzach
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        why would the webmaster of all people know anything about it? that shouldn't be surprising. if you are ... : electroly
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          If you believe the plethora of rumors and "reliable sources", it came as a surprise to everyone working o... : vitaminzach
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            speaking from experience people working at any company (games or otherwise) know very very little about a... : mikecyb
            • Indeed, and even if you are privy or high enough up in my experience folks become self delusional until t... : bombay
    • We would have heard about them laying off staff like all the other major studios that went belly up durin... : Darky_06
  • Why is that hard to believe? GM has been around longer. : two50six
  • George was contacted by a Nigerian Prince. : DarkWolf5
• it feels so weird to see other articles on the front page above the 3DR story : MikkleThePickle
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  They only had 71 more tasks to go. :( : pigvomit
  • on that milestone. who knows how many more there were. : grifter
  • I wonder if that is why all of the sudden he was talking about that shit on twitter: he was trying to fin... : rosewood
  • That's about 71 more months for them. : razlebol
• Anyone else notice that it's very smoggy in Austin today? Fallout from the 3DR HQ in Dallas exploding ... : slax0r
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  Can expect some real dish on the inner workings of what was going on? Does the end of 3DRealms negate an... : Xin Jing Client 1a
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    Even if the end of the company meant no chance of legal recourse you'd still be hard pressed to find an i... : liqker
    • Or stabbed with a broken chair leg, amirite? : r_picmip 5
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      How hard can it be to leak some general details anonymously? : marku5
      • It will happen. : Mrc32
      • not very : thebigbeefsandwich
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  My big question: 1. Brussard mentioned several times that the normal development rules for DNF didn't ... : Xin Jing Client 1a
  • They were confident they'd get the money from Take 2, but apparently these guys grew tired of their insol... : melt_core
  • Many private companies run themselves into the ground with poor money management. We may never know since... : rosewood
  • I think the economy had something to do with this. Maybe they were paying development costs with dividend... : Porkasaurus
• I just remembered the first time I ever used the name Poor Yurik was in Duke3d coop mode :( : Poor Yurik
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  this whole situation kinda feels like how it did with the whole HL2 fiasco back in the day, and that game... : steve_o
  • Except Valve didn't go out of business. : Poor Yurik
  • the half-life 2 leak? this is nothing like that at all. hl2 just took a year longer than valve said it ... : mikecyb
  • there was no fiasco like this at all, a release date slipped a year, not 12 years plus the dev going out ... : DogDharma
  • i said it feels the same, i.e. the shock and uncertain future of something. Im not comparing the two situ... : steve_o
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  you know the guy who did duke3d's engine was like 18 or 19 years old when he made it, and then 3drealms l... : Chandler55
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    the Build engine wasn't owned by 3DR though, was it? I know Ken released the source to it so I guess he ... : mikecyb
    • yea ken got licensing fees from all those games(redneck rampage, shadow warrior etc) so it was his engine... : Chandler55
  • I thought he quit 3DRealms so that he could go to college. : Serpico74
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    the rest of the quote is hilarious: St. John: You've already left off 90% of them by naming Ken Silver... : Hoax
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      lol prey is mentioned, jesus, that interview is like 9 years before it got released : Chandler55
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        with Prey and TF2 are out, DNF was the last one left :( : mikecyb
        • oh and STALKER too, that was delayed a bunch wasn't it? : mikecyb
        • this is honestly one of the biggest reasons I was convinced DNF was coming out. if both Prey and TF2 cam : electroly
      • that was the first incarnation of Prey though, which was shelved, and then they didnt do anything for abo... : hirez
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      because they're doing a lot of things well, but you're just never as big when you're second in line Funn... : Cygnus X-1
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        If we're only talking about games, not engines, then Epic really got big with Gears, which is the first t... : thecray
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          The first Unreal would like to have a word with you, along with Unreal Tournament. : ArcKnight
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            Compared to Quake? You're joking right? : r_picmip 5
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              i think he was saying epic got big with unreal not gears : Chandler55
              • well at the time of the interview unreal had been delayed quite a bit and was self promoted as quake kill... : Hoax
              • Oh, whoops. : r_picmip 5
        • Yup, he was right on. The moment Epic stopped trying to be id with their games is when they started makin... : Serpico74
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  I bought duke3d for the 360 to play tonight for the memories :[ : ghost in my shell
  • I had chinese food last night for the memories! : The Key
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  Please release all version of Duke Nukem Forever for free now. I want to play the Quake 2 and Unreal vers... : razlebol
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    You're assuming there are "versions" for each. There may just be a bunch of half finished assets, and par... : Toth21
    • Well probably :( : razlebol
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  You have to admit, the most recent trailer released, a lot of people laughed at it rather than with it. ... : abrasion
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    Christmas 2007 i believe, and I agree. : nina myers is a goddamned american hero
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      Holy fuck, *I'm* getting shit for my user name? : underground banana plantation
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        fake account take a look at the nws profile and the registration date. : Hoax
        • wtf, who is nina myers, is thast her with the penis in the profile? : abrasion
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      I don't agree with your username. : socksta
      • Neither did I the first time I saw it, but would Jack have needed a hacksaw in season 2 if it wasn't for ... : sigpro
• dnf is gonna 0wn e3. : jayares
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  dognose should update his blog http://dognose.livejournal.com/ : fsck
  • It'd be awesome if he posted his first entry again. It'd be like a complete circle. : The Key
• Duke Nukem Forever is out already, nerds just don't realize it. The game is very simple: you wait for the... : Enigme