Epic and Crytek Expect Xbox 720, PS4 in 2012; WildTangent CEO Declares Consoles Dead
by Chris Faylor, Aug 19, 2008 10:03am PDTWhile technology developers such as Epic Games and Crytek believe the next generation of consoles will appear in 2012, WildTangent CEO Alex St. John believes that the Xbox 360, PlayStation 3 and Wii represent "the last generation of consoles."
"There's not going to be an Xbox 720 or a PS4, I'll make that bet, not going to happen," St. John told UK newspaper Telegraph. "The era of consoles defined by graphics and high-production values is over."
He explained that consoles are a "game-disabling experience" designed "to prevent you [from] playing games you didn't pay for," a technique he believes is rendered obsolete by games that require players to be online, such as Blizzard's World of Warcraft (PC).
"The principal reason that Sony and Microsoft get a cut of everybody's games is because they prevent piracy," he said. "This allows the publishers to invest more money in a game because they can be confident that it won't get stolen and will have to be paid for at a premium."
As for the Wii and its incredibly popular interface, St. John likened the Wii's focus on a motion controls to the peripheral-centric arcade games that signaled the arcade's demise. "The only arcade machines you can find left today are ones based on big input controllers which are expensive to put into the home: dance pads, steering wheels, guns," he reasoned.
In addition to massively multiplayer games, the WildTangent CEO thinks that the online distribution of PC games, such as Valve's Steam and WildTangent's upcoming Orb storefront, represents the industry's future.
"I'm the guy who talked Microsoft into the console business in the first place," boasted St. John, who helped craft Microsoft's game-focused DirectX initiative. "I made several observations about the console business and why it would be strategic for Microsoft at that time. What's interesting is that the assumptions that got Microsoft into the game business are also reasons why I think consoles may be at an end."
Meanwhile, Crysis and Far Cry creator Crytek, which is increasing its focus on consoles and moving away from PC-exclusive projects, thinks the next generation of consoles will arrive alongside its new engine in 2012.
That time will also be marked by "renaissance of graphics programming," Crytek CEO Caveat Yerli said during a recent keynote. He also promised that the new CryENGINE will produce graphics three to five times better than Crysis, according to 1UP.
Gears of War and Unreal Tournament developer Epic Games likewise estimates that the next generation of consoles will hit in 2012, the same timeframe projected for its console-focused Unreal Engine 4.
"Version 4 [of Unreal Engine] will exclusively target the next console generation," Epic founder Tim Sweeney said earlier this year. "Microsoft's successor for the Xbox 360, Sony's successor for the Playstation 3--and if Nintendo ships a machine with similar hardware specs, then that also...PCs will follow after that."
However, St. John is not without his supporters. Last year, former EA VP and CEO of publisher Trion World Network Lars Buttler prophecized that "the console are numbered" with "one more generation of gaming consoles and that is it."
Since then, Trion has become a licensed PlayStation 3 publisher.
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Whenever photrealism is achieved we can stop discussing graphics because there will not be any room for improvement...
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The article I read stated that if the next generation of consoles goes all digital distribution (remember when Phil Harrison said something to the effect of "I bet the PS4 won't even have an optical drive"?) then it's game over for them because the Wal-Marts and Best Buys of the world won't carry them. As it stands now they don't make anything, if they make anything, on the consoles themselves, they make money on the boxes of software on their shelves. If those boxes go away then the incentive to carry the hardware goes away. And if that goes away, then there go the consoles.
It's a pie-in-the-sky theory, especially since I don't see the broadband situation in the USA lending itself to making digital distribution for the masses in time for the next generation, but it does point out how if consoles do digital distribution-only then they're screwing themselves.
Carmack echoed the "no optical drive" sentiment at QuakeCon, but I didn't get called on to ask his take on the above scenario.
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I find it odd, though, as I read an interview with him a while ago (the only other one I've read) and he came across okay in that one. Whether that was an off day or this was, I don't know, but I can't read anymore of his bullshit today.
To Chris Faylor:
1) Please take the opportunity to use short, succinct titles. Not every title has to tell a story, just describe the story.
2) Instead of doubling the 360 to 720 can we just call it the 3rd generation X-Box? Seriously you are tagging it as X-box 720.
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A big "fuck you" to you too, Mr. Sweeney.
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Yeah, the dude responsible for the abhorrent, unusable early versions of Direct X has something to say about industry changes. Nothing to see here.
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The Wii started at $250 with a game and most people looking at the cost factor, that's a hell of a deal. The Wii has sold a metric truckload and Nintendo more than makes a profit at each one sold. The PS3 launched at around $599 and looses around $200 per console sold.
The 360 is at a nice sweet spot of cost but still, $399 at launch was rather pricey still. The hardcore gamers are going to be all over it but the common consumer is going to look at that and say, "nope, too much."
Now throw in $60 per game. $60 is too much for a console game. I rarely if at all ever pay full price for a 360 game, I will support GameStop and purchase those games used because let's be honest $60 for Bioshock is a bit of a rip. You get 10-20 hours of a game that has limited replayability and you paid $60 for it; so do you feel ripped off or did you get your value out of it.
Also there has to be a limit to where the games just can't get any better in the graphics department. Madden looks photorealistic, Ninja Gaiden is the definition of a beautiful action game, the soul caliber series is movie-like.
So how does MS or Sony get you to pay even more money for that generation to be released in 2012? I just don't see it happening. I don't see paying a launch price of $600 for a console and now potentially $70 a game?
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I agree with ASJ 100%.
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^-- this sentence is what everyone should pay attention to. "Nobody gives a shit about my company, so I'm going to say that black is white, the sky is green, and consoles drool just to get some attention on my ailing, useless little company for the announcement of our platform that will fail against the already heavily entrenched competition."
He doesn't believe that "Consoles are dead!" shit anymore than we do. He just wanted your attention so he could make his sales pitch in the guise of editorial.
I predict in 2012 the Sun will be obsolete and be replaced with an online distribution model.
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brilliant lol anyone cares explaining me what the fuck that means? lal
guy is full of it and proud of it - 'there's no such thing as bad publicity' - nice free commercial there, say something utterly stupid and crazy and it will get you to news outlets faster than a bullet lol
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This guy is not an authority on the gaming industry by ANY means. I've worked for WT and considering my long tenure in the gaming industry, it was probably one of the least rewarding experiences ever.
Its a gamevertisement company, nothing more. Oh what wise words does the great St. John, CEO of the company that brought you "Polar Bowler" and "Dinner Dash" have for us?
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Console gaming will always have its place in the world until the day that we all use a completely new visual medium (like virtual reality or something I don't know) to completely replace computer monitors and televisions (or they figure out a way to cram a 60" + monitor onto my computer desk). I want to play games like Madden and Halo on a huge TV, not a 22" computer monitor. I could of course abandon all console gaming and instead hook my computer up to my TV but that isn't what the average consumer is going to do.
PC gaming will have a place in the world until the day that consoles support and start shipping with a mouse, keyboard, and/or controller combination good enough for complicated MMORPG games... oh and of course there is a large portion of troll-like MMORPG players who I would guess probably despise the idea of playing such games in an open space like a living room.
We have already seen the evolution looking at just one branch of the console tree.:
Genesis/SNES etc: Games Machine.
PS1: Games Machine + CD Player.
PS2: Games Machine + CD/DVD Player + Limited Online Functionality
PS3: Games Machine (now with patches, installs ) + Bluray Player + Media Server + Full Internet Fuctionality. + Downloadable media.
The box under our TVs has already changed way past what we considered a console in 1990. I dont know what tricks a PS4 will pack into it but if that dude suggests people will want PC-like openess, maybe thats where they will go.
The death of the PC platform will be the day we get a console-based MMO that's as popular as WoW is currently. MMO is probably the only thing really keeping developers in the PC gaming space at all.
"The PC and Consoles are dead. Disposable OLED Capatcha games are the future of the interactive entertainment industry. Simple as that. Anyone who thinks otherwise has their head in the sand" -astonish
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We go from "death of the PC gaming industry" to now the "death of consoles"
lol..I don't even own a console and I can tell you they are NOT going away.
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All I've been using my PS3 for is folding@home, BD movies, and streaming media from my server.
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