Carmack: Doom 4 Multiplayer to Beat Doom 3's Modes

one of the biggest flaws of doom 3 was the lack of coop multiplayer.. that was one of the things that made doom 1,2 so awsome was blowing away demons with other people.. and yes there are mods for doom 3 that give you coop but nobody plays them as they are not well known and are buggy. It wouldnt take that much more effort to throw in a coop of the single player campaign. they better make doom 4 have a coop mode OR I WILL COME INTO YOUR HOUSE AND BREAK YOUR WIFE IN HALF!!!!!!

so the multiplayer won't be as good as something they are giving away for free? then why fucking bother with Doom4.

I don't really understand what all the Quake 4 hate is for. Yeah, it didn't tread any new ground, but the single player was decent, and once they released the updates to MP I didn't see much of a difference between it and Quake 3 at all. Except about 1000X more people on Quake 3 vs Quake 4 servers.

Doom 3's MP definitely needed help, but after four years worth of work I think we made some great strides in making Co-op playable and added tons of other goodies including Coop for the SP levels, ROE, and classic doom for doom 3 levels, + our own doom 1/2 style gameplay. Figured I'd drop in the info for all of those interested ;D Check it out at http://Doom3Coop.com Take care.
-calimer

I wish there will be co-op in Doom 4. Just the idea of fighting with my friend on who's turn it is to take point sounds like crazy fun. That and laughing my ass off whenever one of us jumps at something in the game.

So it'll still be Deathmatch, but just not as good as Quake Live's Deathmatch, but better than Doom 3 and Quake 4 Deathmatch.

Well that shouldn't hard. It's not like Doom 3 set the bar high. ;)

I really wasn't into Doom3's multiplayer. Did people really find it good?

i still haven't played doom 3

They should really consider "Marines Vs Demons" gore-fest for online component.
I mean seriously, who wouldn't want to play as ArchVile, Revenant, Chainsaw or Commando Zombie, or even as Mancubus.

Raking kills would spawn some of those airbornes like Cacodemon, Cherub, Forgotten etc. as supporting npc's to wreck havok, where as completing different map-centric objectives would then in-turn spawn in the big-boys like Guardian, CyberDemon, Maledict etc.
Marines could of course deploy APT's (or ADT's even) artillery, mortars, call in air-support and whatnot.

All I'm sayig is, look at the direction where CoD4 and Quake Wars have taken online FPS' and take it from there. Just a crazy idea but I might actually like to play such a Doom multiplayer, even if it would heavily streer away from the traditional Doom gameplay. Then again Doom 3, with them closet demons wasn't anywhere close to old-school Doom anyhow, so no damage done there.

Quake 4 is the (lowish) bar that they need to shoot above. Q4 multi was terrible compared to Quake 3's, and in the case of Doom 3 multi it better damn well be better. :)

For me, the multiplayer should be more in vein of the stuff people introduced to the older Dooms by modding them. Giving the possibility to play the game through cooperatively, might not work if there is a lot of "story telling". Those of you, who have played the originals through with friends - it's a total blast. Then again, you could just incorporate some cooperative levels for the multiplayer.

For me Doom 3 felt like they were trying to figure where to head with the franchise. It wasn't that bad, but not what I expected. It had it's own eery feel, but somehow some of that "Doom magic" was gone. The closet monsters that spawn behind you -syndrome didn't help either. Also, it lacked the feel, too few monsters, too crowded and dark - honestly, it was bit dark wasn't it?

Doom 4 should be more of the "same" - meaning what made previous Dooms good. More monsters, that a must. More fighting in the hell. No repetive scaretactics that grow old very fast. More balls to the weapondesign and audiodesign on that department. More badd-ass storytelling, it's not meant to be a X-Files type of thing - and that's okey.

Because anything less than Doom 3 would be uncivilized.

i loved doom 3 MP.. shooting in complete darkness was intense! (not being sarcastic)