Evening Reading

So Maarten has indeed hacked up the Shacknews XML and FileShack XML (w/ images) feeds around these parts for those of you using that newfangled feed headlines in Vista. You might want to manually set the update frequency (Favorites/feeds/right click/properties) as it seems a little fussy. We'll have a quick overview of wtf for you guys tomorrow. I imagine in the future we'll break out a few feeds for categories and such. So then, eat this:

- Robot garage
- Ancient village near Stonehenge
- One leaning tower is plenty
- Space stations progress

Lastly, now it's Vista hangover, yawner, our impressions, TR concerns

Steve Gibson is the cofounder of Shacknews.com. Originally known as sCary's Quakeholio back in 1996, Steve is now President of Gearbox Publishing after selling Shacknews to GameFly in 2009.

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    January 30, 2007 6:01 PM

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      January 30, 2007 6:02 PM

      fuck vista

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      January 30, 2007 6:03 PM

      Its going to be the same thing thats happened to every iteration prior. A good deal of the population is probably in the same mindset.

      I didn't have XP until early 2002 I think.

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      January 30, 2007 6:03 PM

      I'm going to stick to porn for a while. I'm too poor for hookers.

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      January 30, 2007 6:05 PM

      I'm going to stick to my right hand for a while. I'm too poor for porn.

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        January 30, 2007 6:07 PM

        porn negates the need for your hand? This is impressive porn.

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      January 30, 2007 6:07 PM

      I'm going to stick to the wall w/ bubblegum and snot for a while. I'm too poor for Velcro.

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      January 30, 2007 6:09 PM

      [deleted]

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      January 30, 2007 6:20 PM

      Yeah... I'm not gonna touch it with a 10 foot stick for a while.

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      January 30, 2007 6:21 PM

      I only have it because it's free through MSDN-AA at my school. Other than that, I'd have waited until I needed DirectX10.

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        January 30, 2007 6:22 PM

        MSDN is only for CS peeps at my school :(

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        January 30, 2007 6:33 PM

        thats how im getting it. but the guy said they just got it and it'll be a week or two before we get it. all engineers have access to msdn her

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      January 30, 2007 6:25 PM

      It looks like OSX did... 4 years ago

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        January 30, 2007 6:28 PM

        Yea, I also love the fact that it costs the same as what 4 versions of OSX do.

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          January 30, 2007 6:31 PM

          It flips your windows around... like my coworkers' free Linux distro does

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            January 30, 2007 6:50 PM

            All that cool visual shit is only useful if it helps you do stuff FASTER and EASIER - otherwise turn it off.

            Specially for keyboard goons like me.

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        January 30, 2007 6:32 PM

        oh dognose, you should know better.

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        January 30, 2007 6:35 PM

        Then again, you won't have to upgrade it with a "new and improved" version of the OS every 8-12 months like with Apple.

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          January 30, 2007 6:40 PM

          Yeah, you'll likely end up paying the same amount in the end (or probably less with windows home premium) if you want to be up-to-date.

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          January 30, 2007 7:15 PM

          [deleted]

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          January 30, 2007 8:20 PM

          except no, totally wrong

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      January 30, 2007 6:30 PM

      i don't see the point of upgrading till i have to.

      and also this will be the first OS i have to buy without school discounts or father's moneyhats. so. there's that.

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      January 30, 2007 6:36 PM

      I'm still running DOS. Old school.

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      January 30, 2007 6:37 PM

      I Shack through Prodigy on my 2400bps.

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      January 30, 2007 6:43 PM

      Who knows when I'll end up installing it. I'm getting a free and legal copy, but it MUST be compatible with Flock, SmartFTP and Photoshop CS2.

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        January 30, 2007 6:44 PM

        I didn't realize anyone else out there used Flock.

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          January 30, 2007 7:11 PM

          I use it for work, because I can post and check RSS feeds from the same application.

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        January 30, 2007 6:45 PM

        I can tell you that Photoshop CS2 works fine. Haven't used Flock or SmartFTP.

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      January 30, 2007 6:48 PM

      I won't use it until I absoloutely have to, I figure since I sold my PC gaming rig and my laptop only has 1gb of ram, Vista in 2.5 years+ for me.

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      January 30, 2007 6:48 PM

      It breaks DirectSound, which is used by damn near every game prior to last year to carry positional audio. Until MS brings back this functionality, I'm not interested. OpenAL is great, but older (and I mean older as in older than a year or two) don't use it.

      Your SoundBlaster has essentially become a brick. They're working on a wrapper to convert DirectSound to OpenAL, but that's a kludge.

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        January 30, 2007 7:01 PM

        I'm not even a big fan of OpenAL; it's one evil monopoly funding another evil near-monopoly. And how can Microsoft say that Vista has DirectX when DirectSound, the most-used DirectX API aside from Direct3D, is broken?

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        January 30, 2007 7:01 PM

        EAX, it breaks EAX, not direct sound!

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          January 30, 2007 7:02 PM

          Big surprise :)

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          January 30, 2007 7:08 PM

          This is not correct. They removed DirectSound from Vista. EAX can be transported through either OpenAL or DirectSound. DirectSound is the one used by damn near every game until recently and therefore, with it removed, EAX is busted for those games. This applies to ANY positional format that used DirectSound, of which there are several.

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            January 30, 2007 7:09 PM

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              January 30, 2007 7:18 PM

              The HAL for DirectSound IS DirectSound. One and the same. No HAL, no Direct Sound.

              The emulators don't replicate DirectSound, they convert the calls from DirectSound native to OpenAL.

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                January 30, 2007 7:19 PM

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                  January 30, 2007 7:21 PM

                  yeah, but emulated DirectSound takes away most of its original reason for existing (so games and applications could deliver real-time sound in order to synchronize it with video). An emulation path is only going to make things slower with more latency, right?

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                    January 30, 2007 7:22 PM

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                      January 30, 2007 7:31 PM

                      wow, looks like they're trying to make game developers pump out PC ports of console games. Then again, perhaps Microsoft learned a few things about sound APIs for games in the 5-plus years of XBox development.

                      Still, they're basically killing off an entire API, threatening to make all of our current games as obsolete as the DOS games that didn't get win32 ports. I'm not happy about this.

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                        January 30, 2007 7:37 PM

                        The games will likely be obsolete in a few years anyway. We are going to have to switch to a 64 bit architecture. There are already machines in the wild bumping against the 4GB limit of the current 32 bit architecture.

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                  January 30, 2007 7:22 PM

                  I just did some reading. :-(

                  You're right, I misunderstood what they did. Just the hardware acceleration that's gone.

                  My understanding is that this would break any advanced audio that depends on hardware acceleration.

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                January 30, 2007 7:20 PM

                so does this mean that every game that uses DirectSound now has delayed audio? Kinda like trying to play Quake 2 on NT4, where you'd be forced to use waveout because NT4 had no such thing as DirectSound?

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                  January 30, 2007 7:24 PM

                  If I'm understanding this correctly, hardware API is AWOL, so that means it either has to be emulated through software or converted to something usable, like OpenAL. Unless, of course, MS decides to give us an API to make legacy apps work.

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      January 30, 2007 6:49 PM

      i got it free, and i love it! :)

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      January 30, 2007 6:53 PM

      How is the keyboard code, anyone know if all the XP style shortcuts work?

      control, escape, s,c for control panel?
      Windows D desktop?
      control escape, r for run?
      Windows R run?
      Control tab, control shift tab, alt tab, alt shit tab
      Alt space n, alt space x, alt space r?
      What about name completion in the Windows explorer address bar?


      c:\prog(downarrow)r}\commdownarrow}\ etc etc ?

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        January 30, 2007 7:13 PM

        Make that

        c:\prog(downarrow)\comm(downarrow)\ etc etc ?
        (that will take you to
        c:\Program Files\Common Files

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        January 30, 2007 7:37 PM

        I miss the old days when you could use key combinations to maximize or minimize the current window. It seems like Microsoft wants to kill off the keyboard entirely as a control device, and relegate it to text data entry only.

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      January 30, 2007 6:53 PM

      Maya and 3ds Max run like complete ass on it.

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        January 30, 2007 6:54 PM

        Good to know. Well, crappy, but good to know.

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        January 30, 2007 6:58 PM

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          January 30, 2007 7:23 PM

          You'd think the application developers would get their shit together and have it running decently on launch day...

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            January 30, 2007 7:39 PM

            ...BWAHAHAHA!

            No, marketing wants to push it out NOW and generate all kinds of buzz that will fizzle when everyone figures out what's wrong. Those in the know will hold out for at least Service Pack 1, and those who blindly take the plunge are sunk.

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      January 30, 2007 6:58 PM

      i'm gonna wait until I get another gig of ram and a DX10 capable card, depending on how this 7600GT runs supreme commander, that may be like a year or so...

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      January 30, 2007 6:59 PM

      I'm planning on getting a new laptop soon, and I imagine it'll be on there.

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      January 30, 2007 7:05 PM

      One of my buddies decided to jump to a C2D rig with an 8800GTX in it this week...

      So he's going to be my Vista Ultimate 64bit guinea pig.

      muhahahahaha

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        January 30, 2007 10:40 PM

        Hey. I have a C2D rig with an 8800GTX in it. And I'm jumping to Vista this week. You don't consider me a buddy or guinea pig do you?

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          January 31, 2007 3:10 AM

          Well, yeah actually, but I was talking about my good friend Chris :p

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      January 30, 2007 7:10 PM

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      January 30, 2007 7:19 PM

      I can get the Business edition for free from my university but I don't know if I'd want to. No Windows Media Center for syncing up with my 360 is a bit of a downer.

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      January 30, 2007 8:50 PM

      I plan to do the same. I'll wait until I have to switch...I really don't want to deal with all the broken/asinine crap that seems to be a large part of this release.

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      January 30, 2007 10:36 PM

      There's NOTHING to be gained by switching to Vista right now. Wait a couple of years.

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      January 30, 2007 10:40 PM

      yup i plan to do the same, not until i get new shit... my uptimes are fine anyway.

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      January 30, 2007 11:56 PM

      Ok, just installed vista on my most unused drive. It was completley plainless. I'm quite impressed. I put the dvd in while in xp, it asked me to upgrade or clean install. I chose clean install, chose the drive, and it was automagic from there. I laid in bed and looked over it occasionally and it was fine.

      Writing this from IE7/Vista. So far, so good.

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