No Compromise for HD-DVD & Blu-Ray

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Sony's Ken Kutaragi, whose company is pushing Blu-Ray and will use it in the PlayStation 3, has said that the possibility of a merger between the two next-gen disc formats are "almost none. It's very difficult." As you may recall, talks have been underway for some time now to unify the format to prevent a war that would only hurt everyone involved.

Both sides have highlighted the problems in creating a unified standard for the discs, which use a blue laser to read and record information. Blu-ray's recording layer is located 0.1mm from the surface of the disc, compared with 0.6mm for HD DVD. "With the dialogue focusing on 0.1 and 0.6, there is no way for the two sides to divide things fairly," Kutaragi said.
As for the other side of the fence, Toshiba's president Tadashi Okamura has said a merger could still be possible but won't come until after both formats have hit store shelves. "We may actually have a situation where merchandise from both sides is put on store shelves. But the market would not allow that situation to last very long," he said.

From The Chatty
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    June 10, 2005 7:44 AM

    You think sony would have learned from the whole VHS - BETA thing.

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      June 10, 2005 7:46 AM

      This is significantly different, really

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        June 10, 2005 8:00 AM

        Really? From a consumer stand point, how?

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          June 10, 2005 8:15 AM

          Shh... it's not. Various manufacturers, hardware companies, vendors, and media content providers support each format. So there'll be a fight. And we'll see some companies start to support both formats and eventually one will win out.

          Personally, I like blu-ray because of its higher data capacity, but that's based on about 5 minutes of reasearch.

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            June 10, 2005 8:18 AM

            that and the PS3 will get a bluray player into many many homes.

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          June 10, 2005 8:28 AM

          Well, I'm not sure from a consumer standpoint but as I recall, a large part of the Beta vs VHS war was that Sony were the only people making the Beta players, and did nothing to bring other consumer electronics companies into the 'family'. This time, however, both sides are alliances of companies rather than a single company. Your original statement was that "You think sony would have learned from the whole VHS - BETA thing." They did learn - they aren't going it alone this time, which was a significant weakness last time and they still have the superior (but more 'difficult') technology. Not sure what this means to the end user (maybe nothing), but it's not exactly the same.

          In the end, I think I misinterpreted your original comment. I took it from a Sony perspective rather than a consumer one. After typing this up I realize this situation is probably the same/worse for consumers, but it's significantly better for Sony. So they did learn something, they learned how to fuck us over better =)

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            June 10, 2005 8:34 AM

            That truly is the chief difference here, it's not Sony vs The Rest of the Industy but Sony & pals vs Toshiba & pals and one of those allies of Sony is Panasonic (the biggest of the manufacturers).

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              June 10, 2005 8:35 AM

              AND Sony's gonna let them make porn this time.

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                June 10, 2005 9:58 AM

                I still can't fathom buying porn on like that.

                Let me find a site that has some things/models/etc that I like and I'll just give them the $25.

                I'll get much more content, also.

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        June 10, 2005 8:17 AM

        Except it's not.

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      June 10, 2005 10:23 AM

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      June 10, 2005 10:55 AM

      It's *EXACTLY* the same as BETA/VHS .

      -Sony wont share it's technology (read:licence to others)

      -HD DVD is made "public" and is widely adopted because royalties/lincencing wont have to be paid.

      -Sony is left holding the Blue-Ray bag all by themselves while the world marches on.

      JVC (the inventors of VHS) did exactly this when they realized Sony was plaing this ridiculous game and they opened VHS up to other companies and the rest is history. Forget that Beta was actually a better technology. IBM did the same damn thing with Micro-Channel. Wanted everone to fill thier coffers with money to use the replacement to ISA and guess what? Intel says "I dont think so" and the PCI spec is born. It the purveyors of HD DVD have even a remote clue as to this pattern, they will give it away and that will be all she wrote for blue-ray.

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        June 10, 2005 11:08 AM

        -Sony wont share it's technology (read:licence to others)

        Except they are. A lot. And unless I'm mistaken, both formats are likely to use H.264 as their ultimate codec, which requires licensing fees just like MPEG4.

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        June 10, 2005 11:10 AM

        lol, that was incredibly uninformed, congrats!

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        June 10, 2005 5:04 PM

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