Duke4 NOT Using DOOM3 Tech

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Heh...even if they had released it with the Engine that I saw them use during the teaser trailer I would have been happy. Duke Nukem Manhatten Project had the trailer. Sorry if my sentences seem a little disjointed, but for some reason I'm not able to think overly coherently at the moment :P

At any rate, with regards to an Uber engine, I think that would be a good idea; games these days, I'm finding, are getting too repiticious; same concepts, better graphics, and sometimes crappier stories (with the exception of Doom 3, of course).

What needs to be done is a game where the player has 100% control over how, what, where, when, and who. A game that can be played as an RPG, or a first person shooter, or a strategy game...basically, something so flexible, and with so many random variables (ie: Player1 walks down hall and comes across a 3 way junction; Player1 takes left hand path. Player2, on the other hand, takes the right hand path...both of different experiences and meet back at the middle. Going down the middle pathway, they experience something different from what they would have, had they gone down it first...or had they both gone down the right hallway, ect...) that each decision has a totally different effect, essentially making a new game everytime it's played.

Some of you will say 'Well, that's nethack'...even nethack is limited because it isn't 3D, can't be an FPS or a Strategy game...but the concept is similar.

I don't think, however, that computers right now could handle something like that without a massive amount of space being consumed, several gigs of ram and an uber video card...basically, you'd need a computer that doubles as a blast furnace because of all the heat it gives off due to its sheer computing power...even my good old 1.4ghz comp gives off enough heat to heat my bedroom during the coldest of nights, and 2.4Ghz computers are that much hotter :P

But, anyway, I'm rambling...the point is, we need a game that's going to be different everytime we play it. Some games now are fairly close; KotOR, for example...everytime I've played, I've created a different style of character, and had differing experiences every time...THAT'S the right direction, it'll take me forever to get bored of it :P

the funny thing is people waste SOO much of their time and life joking about DNF and saying its vaporware, but when it does come out, it kicks ass, and its fun.. wont you feel like a complete idiot.. wasting so much time about a game you have absolutly no idea about? whats the point why not just shut ya mouth and move on play other games DONT EVEN THINK about DNF and then one day it will pop out when you least expect it. THEN FKN JUDGE IT!!!!!!

George laid the smack down on Gamespot. That's sweet. Hooray for George!

Not that it will ever happen...but, the collective great minds who write these game engines need to come together collectively and write an uber engine. Each house seems to have a specialty. That way games like DNF (7yrs and counting), HL2 (6yrs and counting), DOOM 3 (4yrs), etc won't take so long. They wont have to develop new engines...just keep upgrading this one uber engine that is moddable all to hell so that each game can still have a unique look and feel.

If and when Duke is ever released do you realize the community will no longer have a running joke about a game like DNF? The comments on the net over the years are probably going to be much more enjoyable than the actual game!!

To me this sounds like 3DR "accidentally" leaked info about using the doom3 engine and then retracting on that statement only to be able to give some hype to their own home grown engine.

"oh wow, you mean it's so good they don't even need the doom3 engine!!@!@#!@ gimme gimme"

George is awesome.

They finally updated the news piece. Their response to george's smackdown was weak, very weak.

Yes shame on you game journos! Heaven forbid newswriters quote the CEO of a company when giving a statement.

I heard a rumor that Duke Nukem used his connections to get out of the Vietnam war back in the 70's too.

These kinds of threads are always GOLD, so much idiocy to laugh about.

i dont know who's more pathetic, 3d realms or the people in this thread defending them. no preview no nothing for at least 3 years by my count, this dev team deserves no respect whatsoever. they've treated everyone from fans to their publishers like shit in this respect and i would have been happier never hearing about this game again then hearing that someones still working on this and dragging out the most ridiculous development of a game i have ever heard of. seeing that i just pissed all over fanboys i'll make sure never to return to this thread. please feel free to flame my completely honest and true evaluation of the situation.

Cool, it's about time we got some DNF news.

George, can you guys please at very least show something at E3 in 2005. I saw you said you were going too this year, but you didn't :(

Just somethin man, you're allowed to still say "when it's done" but man, c'mon, even an engine test... just something... sometime. We're dying here... I was Freshman in Highschool when I heard about this... I'm gonna graduate college this year...

heh :|

So does anyone know what went "wrong" with the development of Duke? And does anyone know why Duke has been allowed to stay in development this long? Most games that have this much trouble either get canned or release whatever they have.

Howcome every second person knocks HL2 for this reason or that, but when DNF of all things comes under discussion, everybody is happy and excited about it?

HL2 will be a better game than DNF, if it ever comes out.

This guy doesn't have a blackberry?

sounds pretty embarrasing for the gamespot douchebags.

If Take Two had STFU, would this have happened?

I think GeorgeB should start posting something that shows the game is being worked on, to make people relax about it. Their media blackout has left everybody thinking the game is not being worked on. All that negative buzz can't be good for the teams morale. Right?

Maybe he shouldn't post sreenshots, but maybe something like a .plan that says: "This is what we are working on right now - This is what got done last week - This is what we have left to do". Something. Just something..

One Word.

MORON

Um.. Who cares? With Doom3 out, Half Life 2 pending, and Quake 4 around the corner, who really cares about a "has been" franchise?

i think after the hl2 release its time to show the game again, then there arent anymore highly competition like games on the market, well stalker but hey.....

This is awesome, simply awesome.

A slight slip up by a PR dude and the nerds go bezerk.

This is the new golden age of PC gaming.

So very stoked for this game. :D

Who cares.

Their game, their decision to not show it off.

Sure they get negative press from whiny gamers who love to hype things beyond what eventually gets delivered but I dont care.

Just deliver me a nice game in the future, surprise release or semi-surprise Max Payne 2 style or four year hypefest like Doom 3, doesnt matter to me.

As long as there's DNF written on it I'll freaking buy it, and the less spoiled of the game before release, the better.


*goes back to beating his old record at Puck-Man*

Anyone thing that maybe the Take 2 guy said this in order to give 3DR a PR headache.

If I was 3DR (and if I was really making a game) I would seriously think about switching publishers. Once DNF is done in 2006, 2007 or whenever, Take Two might screw it up just because they are pissed at them.

it's amazing how even rumors can't even get it right. it was paul eibeler (pres.) who said that, not roedel (who only introduced the call). and he never said it was done, he was referring to the fact that doom3 was done, and they were using the completed doom3 tech (which it looks like george disputed), so the whole drama is bull. too many damn monkeys....

Hey, I'll be 48 in september. Any chance I'll see DNF before my 50th birthday?

Guys, I'm working on the most awesomist game ever! It's due out "whenever", but it's really great!





Can I get a Shack fandom, too?

Yes, this was a simple mistake by Rich… what he meant to say was that they were using Doom4 tech… H4W!

What do you MEAN Leno already used that one?!

Heh ... thought it said "Quake4 not using Doom3 tech" and I was really surprised for a sec.

I propose that what is important is the games themselves, and not how long they have been in development and what the details of that development actually are.

If the game is fun, then what do you care? It will be out when it's out - and if it's good it's good. In the meantime buy and play other games.

I mean, sure, we're excited. We're all excited when we see screenshots and videos of games and we think "awesome! I want to play that!" Except it's marketing and maybe we shouldn't let it have so much of an effect on us. It's just bad business on the side of developers that they release information about games far too early then they could possibly deliver them. Take for example a look at Raven. Now, the hype about every Raven game I remember started soon before the things release. Previews, screens, and information start coming out in trickles maybe six months before, just raising awareness to a minimum level - then there is a steady buildup untill the moment of truth is upon us. That's because Raven have a good formula down and are expirienced enough to know when their game is just about finished. I bet you we will see Quake 4 in six months time.

Just a thought...

Gamespot got punk'd!

ummmm i think this is all part of the markiting. i mean come on the name DNF its taking forever.... i sitll have a stcker of the duke guy in a quake 2 logo. id be shoked if it ever came out. and i would really be shocked if it could compare or best doom3 or HL2. that said if i was 3dr good luck.

I don't mean to be meant, but the whole team should walk away from this game and do something else... I mean... Duke Nuken time has passed now. It is too long... and now too late.