DOOM 3 Requirements, Carmack's Next

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  If you're on a budget, go for a 9600 XT. If you're on slightly less of a budget, go for a 9800 Pro 128... : nachowray
  • That's about $140-200 bucks, depending on where you buy it, according to pricewatch. Was hoping to spend... : wheat
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  Build a new rig. Its just wont do anything good to put even a 9700 in ur system..... : buzzfunk
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    No can do right now. This is the "other" computer in the house, and if friends want to come over and pla... : wheat
    • Well what kind of $$ can you sink? You should be able to get new mobo/cpu/ram plus 9600 class videocard f... : tigeN
• you're doomed. hee hee : johnny rotten
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  No point in getting a new card as you'd be CPU limited anyway. You have to get a whole new setup... : hohoh0
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    That's what I'm thinking, but hoped there might be something between the current card and some 9800/5900 ... : wheat
    • You might be able to Geforce 3 it up. : hohoh0
• I'd say get a 9700 Pro for cheap unti you can do a full upgrade (i.e. with CPU/MB) later. : bigimp
• It's only like $250ish Canadian to upgrade Motherboard, RAM, CPU and CASE...budget stuff but it'll get yo... : jangaboonutsacks
• Buy an XBox. : Arjun Thakur
• looks like cs is the only solution for you :( : zzz2003
• don't bother upgrading the video unless you can upgrade your CPU. : headless
• I have similar specs... dual PIII 933 (700 @ 933), 1GB PC100, ti4600. Farcry definitely makes my rig show... : inkninja
• The recommended hardware: http://Doom3-pc.com - great prices and they have computers that are specificall... : widowmaker5750

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• He's no fan! : aggressor

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• the X800XT is 16 pipe as well (the PE is the same thing at a higher clock) : Toraz Chryx
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  yah but these cards are so fast, most peoples cpu's are gonna bottleneck them. so your actually wasting m... : mindshot
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    for games like Doom3 GPU will be the bottleneck : mc-fine
    • Not if your CPU sucks badly enough. Don't forget that this game has a physics system and sound done enti... : lisasax
    • I have an FX-53 and farcry is CPU limited at lower resolutions. : Jimbo Ro
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  I'm getting an nvidia 6800 128M baseline card. 16 pipes? : stee1hed
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    Nope. : pyrogen
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      NEED TO CALL GHOSTBUSTERS BEFORE THEY FILL ORDER!!! : stee1hed
      • Upped to GT, hopefully no problems. It's only money, right? : stee1hed
  • Just 12 pipelines,still not to shabby! : brutal
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  X800 Pros can be flashed to unlock the 4 other piplines, opening it up to 16. : VegasX
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    You have to also hard-mod part of the gpu to "open" the extra pipes AND success rates are so-so (60% last... : verbatim
    • Actually, the X800Pro VIVOs can be soft-modded to unlock their other four pipelines. And the success rate... : redford
• This should prove useful about now. http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=32574 Consol... : Skeez187
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  my answer is, none. wait for the 500mb cards that can run it with everything turned on : zzz2003
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    And when will those come out? : suicidemachine
    • Probably in about 6 months... : jason e
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  uh.... according to the .plan updates even the R300 cards will be able to render Doom 3 in all its full g... : Katarn3279
  • that line is misleading...I think in it's full glory practically speaking...there is still the "ULTRA" se... : swansong

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• I would think any running that kind of rig will be able to play the game just fine, at least in 1024x768 ... : gyvoji
• thats me but with a geforce 4 ti 4400. i'm fucked. : AMikaboshi
• I have a Atlhon 64 2800+, but doom3 won't have a 64 bit... yet : snuff
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  I've got the same setup, except for a gf3. My budget is pretty tight right now, but I really want to be a... : haokah
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    if you're upgrading I would a go with the 9800Pro as a mininum. Yes, its a sizeable improvement over th... : johnny rotten
    • thanks for the info! : haokah
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  1024x768 is my bet with that. : mojoald
  • Yeah, same here. 1280x1024 is reserved for next-gen video cards. : cajuncook
  • so 1024x768 with high quality settings or medium? : jono181
• Just about on the money, except OCing a 2600+. Only 190FSB, 2.1GHz, 1 GB PC4000, and a 9700pro. Hope it... : Force[FED]
• 1024 x 768 @ medium settings. Your videocard is the bottleneck. Sorry. Example: I have a P4 2.53 @... : [7]kami

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• Can You Say... Charge That Please! and that's where the trouble begins :( : tension

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• I remember being scolded by writing "Id" on the shack some time ago. I wonder if any of the name freaks w... : rorshack

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  Logitech make some nice surround sound speakers. Definitely worth checking out. : paulresidentadvisor
  • thanks. going to check them out. : matthaeus

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  x800 PRO runs aproximately twice as hot as the 6800 GT Source? : Toraz Chryx
  • Goddamnit, i can't find the source (guess i read it somewhere in a vs. review). But i saw some forumposts... : [7]kami
• X800Pro vs. 6800GT http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=32574 : SlamDunk

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• never underestimate carmack. ever. : mrspyral
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  Wait until you play Doom 3 to judge the quality of the engine. Carmack appears to be a workaholic. It... : Anti_dentite
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    Exactly, it'll be a long time before we see Carmack truly bow out of the games biz. He loves to code and... : gyvoji
    • exactly... we're talking about the guy who HAD to take a computer on his honeymoon. he cant escape cod... : lingo
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  Yes, the engines for Battlefield 1942 and Far Cry clearly exceed the capabilities of the programmer whose... : nachowray
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    umm right. : Rapid 99
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      Yes, it is the rightest. : nachowray
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        wrongest ;-) : Rapid 99
        • Facetiousest. : nachowray
  • By that logic the Wright Brothers are better plane builders than Boeing or Airbus..the original point was... : royaljester
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  Far Cry is really the only engine out there that will come close to Doom3 this year. Doom3's major featu... : VashTheStampede
  • Source (HL2)- Engine is very impressive imho. Especially daylight outdoor environements look fantastic. : perforierer
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  Uh yeah he has nothing better to do than sit in a room and code for you right? Oh and how the hell did... : aznboysix
  • U3 does look cool, but no game using it will be here before at least another two years. : pillzer
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  you should probably wait for the finished problems before you make any conclusions man. : davyy
  • edit problem = product You should probably wait for the finished product before making any conclusions : davyy
• Armadillo Aerospace's current goal is the X-prize, but that is not the sole reason for Armadillo's existe... : protozone
• -1 flaimbait Err...wait.... : jason e
• You should be his guidance counselor you are so wise. : brewsterdog
• So wrong. Usually its my logic that's half baked! You're suggesting Carmack won't deliver on tech cause... : dawurz
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  Comparing a Carmack engine to the BF1942 engine is apples to oranges. Really, really, shitty oranges. : mstarr
  • lol, NOT true! i mean, look at how pervasive the battlefield 1942 tech is! ;) : dawurz
• The Farcry comparison I can see, since Farcry has fairly good indoor stuff...but BF42's indoor areas were... : Vorlonesque
• "Once BF1942 and Far Cry came along, it really meant the end of the Carmack Engine Era (tm), I just want... : lingo
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  Robert Duffy is listed as the lead programmer in the G4 video. : Kerath
  • John Cash was the lead programmer for Quake II IIRC. I could be wrong, but John Carmack has never been ea... : Holesinswiss
• "Once BF1942 and Far Cry came along, it really meant the end of the Carmack Engine Era (tm)" that's a... : red2lucas

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  I believe that's a competition requirement. I'd imagine they have parachures just in case, and they're do... : bigimp
  • No, not a competition requirement, but putting a parachute on board would mean that the vehicle could dri... : LeapingFool
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  Yes, it will land tail-end first, just like the subscale test vehicle did so nicely on June 15th. See htt... : LeapingFool
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    Was that Anna in the red shirt? : bbq gibs
    • No. Anna is a thin asian woman with very very long hair (last time I saw her).... : jason e
• I don't know of anyone who would want to be up in an armadillo's can. Eww. : nachowray
• "Our pilot is currently training extensively in the classic arcade simulator Lunar Lander for our upcomin... : krenzo

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• but then you'll miss out on all the great user created content. : Cyntax
• the xbox version wont look as pretty thoe and what about the mods that will follow : zzz2003
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  Thanks I'll play with my mouse and keyboard at 1280x1024 instead. : lisasax
  • Oh and let's not forget the Xbox version doesn't even have a release date. Todd Hollenshead suggested it... : lisasax
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  have you seen the frame rates on xbox? you might as well be playing on a 1.0ghz machine : rndm
  • Have you? Seems like the feedback from folks who have actually seen in running has been consistently posi... : Holesinswiss
• There's going to be sacrifices to get it to run on an Xbox. : brewsterdog
• Yeah, you'll be playing a scaled down version of the game, co-op would be nice, but too bad you can't aim... : davyy
• I'll take my mouse, keyboard, 22" high res screen, fluid framerate, mods, and everything else inbetween. : Jimbo Ro
• i'll have more fun with my mouse and keyboard thx. : Pneum0
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  This sure was a successful troll! : Liquid
  • we applaud you ssj dayzed : invadernny
• The joke is on you man.... : slacko
• Mods and KB/Mouse are alone enough to make me get the PC version (I'm going to have a great PC regardless... : Vorlonesque
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  I'll but the xbox version as well...but no way in hell i would play a FPS game with a console only, unles... : swansong
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    *H A L O'D* : moe6
    • halo came out on pc aswell. : lingo
• not even mentioning the billions of other games that are going to use the engine for the next 5 years : Slash
• ...And half the texture resolution and framerate (or worse). No thanks :) : GeorgeB3DR
• Are you posting this comment from your xbox? =) Yer, that's beside the point, but I can't imagine playin... : moneyshot

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• It could be you! Or you! : Kerath

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  Yeah, lots of games to be had there. : SenjiXaeon
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    doubt hes going for the gaming, cheif. : lingo
    • Great googly moogly. : Kerath

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  Remember that DOOM3 Was first shown on an Imac running w/ a GeForce 3 - and it was "smooth". Also note t... : SexualAvenger
  • People get too caught up in the OMGWOWDOOM3 thing. It will be taxing on the PC, but as the latest Steam r... : SenjiXaeon

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  i dont want to waste too much money since i'm getting a new pc in 3-4month : orange monkey
  • Check your motherboard manual and verify that they allow that memory configuration. Many motherboards o... : CRasterImage

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• I think it'll be better than that because so many generations of video cards have been released since Doo... : lisasax
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  I had a celeron@450, Voodoo3, Quake3 ran like butter in 1024x768 with wickedgl drivers. : fad3r
  • I played it on a P133 32mb ram w/ 4mb voodoo @ 640X480 = 25-30 fps. Solid. Fucking. Engine. : DraconianDevil
  • Yeah right like butter!!!!!!! q3 who run like butter to me is 125fps ALL THE TIME. below that its cho... : orange monkey

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  oh gosh, how embarrasing! : patdoody
  • lol, nice fix. ;) : SSJ DayzeD

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  No, I think they were like 279 each if I remember when I bought mine! : senior spielbergo
  • Actually, Quantum 3d's Obsidian2 X-24 (voodoo2 SLI 24mb) card was $699 when it debuted. : crinos

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  its 1.5 steps above a GF3. It'll work for a bit, but probably need upgrading. We won't know how urgent... : Turd Ferguson
  • ya, it's not a huge concern of mine. i'll wait til a new decent budget card comes out. : AMikaboshi
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  I think you might get screwed out of Doom 3's pixel shaders. : lisasax
  • so basically it won't look super leet, but alright? : AMikaboshi
  • You'll have 1.1's. It doesnt look bad on the *cough* videos*cough* I've seen runing on a TI4600 : mojoald
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  i've got a gf4 ti4200 and it looks like i'll have to use that for a while as my x800 pro is backordered .... : Mansmells
  • i have a GF3... how will the game fare on my card? : madclown

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• Oh, also, what's that site where you can check up on businesses to see if they have any complaints agains... : Anti_dentite

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• Really, really hi-res textures, lots of them. Pristinely sampled sounds in proprietary 5.1 format. Comp... : nachowray
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  UT2004 was around 5 GB when first installed. : the archvile
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    I KNOW. That's why I'm wondering why it's so SMALL. :P : cajuncook
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      UT2k4 had tons of completely different locations. Doom 3 has a couple? Base, hell, etc... : artillery
      • Believe me - base and hell are all a gamer needs. : bbq gibs
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      UT2004 has a gazillion maps, and Doom 3 has 35 (30 SP and 5 MP). That's why. : lisasax
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        It's most definitely not the maps -- it's the textures. I know UT2004 has well over 2GB in textures alon... : cajuncook
        • Duh. And why do you think the textures are there? So all the maps have art. : lisasax
• It is the textures, there are more of them. Like this. There is about 1 texture per surface in UT2004 h... : Durandal07
• Heh, at first I thought you were refering to a memory requirement. "so it's 2gb of RAM to run it in fu... : seven
• 512x512 : warren

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• I pray to god it will, because my 512MB of RAM is kinda low. : Entity
• Your Far cry performance seems somewhat low. I have an athlon 64 3000, 512mb ram and radeon 9600 overcloc... : renegade732
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  I think Far Cry simply had bad coding as it ran not so well on a plethora of high-end systems; Doom 3, ho... : hohoh0
  • ^IAWTP - You can make even the fastest video cards puke with enough bad coding and texture "misplacements... : Malum
• doom 3 will run worse comparitively because of the shadows : thebigbeefsandwhich
• My $0.02 says keep your 2400 and upgrade your video card to a 6800 GT for sweet Doom3 performance and sav... : RhxNegative
• Most likely it won't run as well as Far Cry at comparitive detail settings. Doom 3 has a much more advan... : Katarn3279

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  What makes you think that'll only play 800x600? :( : cajuncook
  • D'oh. --> retaaahded : cajuncook
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  http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=8201184 : bigimp
  • really kinda sad isn't it =( : cam3lt0sis
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  too bad about your video card. Other wise you'de have the perfect machine. : mr wolf
  • What's wrong with my video card? Also, the perfect machine will include an Athlon 64 FX-53 with 2Gb of Co... : stelth
• lol your sound will be mint! ;) : SSJ DayzeD

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• $50 - $70 depending where you sell it. : lisasax

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  http://www.provantage.com/buy-7pnyv03p-geforce-6800-agp-8x-256mb-ddr3-pny-technologies-graphics-audio-vcg... : crotchbat
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    I love you. An (effectively) $240 6800 GT would be amazing. : dltrem
    • Yep. No-brainer. Go for it. : crotchbat
• Get the GT -- one pass to render all of Doom3 in its glory. : VashTheStampede
• It really depends on the resolution you want to run at. The 6800 will push higher resolutions at the sam... : lisasax

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  you should just slap together a cheap 2500+ barton + mb + 512meg ddr3200 simm. Cheap cheap cheap! : johnny rotten
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    What's the difference between an AMD barton and an AMD XP? They seem to be around the same price for the ... : bigimp
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      i think the barton is an xp with a faster fsb ... but, i could be totally wrong there :/ : Mansmells
      • the barton has 512kb of L2 cache instead of Thourghbred's 256kb of cache. : judoka2
    • go with the Asus® A7N8X-E Deluxe. It's an awesome mobo : mr wolf
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      Athlon XP is the actual product name, barton is just the code name of the cpu. You want the 2500+ with a... : johnny rotten
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        I guess I was wondering what the difference was between a Barton and a Thoroughbred, but I already found ... : bigimp
        • Barton has more L2 cache and clocks similarly ergo, it's faster. : Toraz Chryx
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      xp's encompass two different chipset architectures: -Palamino -Barton Palaminos go up to 2400+ and a : itsjames
      • bzzt Thunderbirds are hotter than Palominos, and Palomino (.18 - 256KB L2, 266Mhz FSB, 2100+ maxi... : Toraz Chryx
  • Is it worth doing this instead of paying a lot more for a Athlon 64? I fear that if I do this upgrade I w... : Sparhawk6
• $70 bucks: http://www.pricewatch.com/h/prc.aspx?i=3&a=4976&f=1 : d0pamine

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• so how'd your xprize entry coming along? : systatic
• I think he's being sarcastic. : swansong
• I think (or hope) you are... : scottk

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• We bow before you. : -pRy-
• lol im not complaining and i did the housten thing first http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=8197516 : manlyman
• Gee.... you can read slashdot. Will you teach me? : jason e

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• Shaders kill current cards more than polygons do. especially with HaloPC. : Turd Ferguson
• Maybe FarCry handles its two or three pixel shader effects even worse than it handles rendering standard ... : nachowray
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  Sounds like you have a GeForce that's pre-FX. The new nVidia cards and the last couple of generations of ... : bigimp
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    GeForce FX 5900 128mb is what Im packin' : bozer
    • thats the card I'm thinking of upgrading to, from my poor ass gf2 32mb. : crinos
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  Dont worry about Far Cry indoor or Halo2 indoor. Both are hogs that run sluggish by nature. : Cygnus X-1
  • Halo2 = HaloPC : Cygnus X-1

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• he's a rocket scientist. he can do anything! : silentzero
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  New engine, obviously. A current computer handled the Unreal 3 engine demo at E3 2004 (barely), so I'm... : nachowray
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    Actually there are features can't fully be exploited with current hardware yes. : jjlaw
    • Jus higher res textures from what I understand. thats a ram limitation, not tech limitation. : annih1late
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      I thought all features work but what cannot be fully exploited is full resolution, whether it be screen, ... : Turd Ferguson
      • This guy is right. : nachowray
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  He is probably working on something that will use all the features available from current bleeding edge c... : Turd Ferguson
  • A lot more than that.. GF1 did not support shaders. : bbq gibs
• I would guess he is working on something that will appear in maybe 5 years? : moshman
• Well when they started on doom3 it was 2000? So its probaly all new, something for DirectX 11? : flip-flop
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  Made me think one thing, MMORPG. Did a google search for "rendering technology" + Everquest and found lot... : -pRy-
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    Uh, no. There's nothing about the phrase that applies to any particular genre of game. : Carnivac
    • Uh...IAWTP^ : megarust32
  • Graphics are rendered onto your screen in any game that you play...no matter what genre. The technology ... : jason e

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• there will not be doom 4... : SlamDunk
• And "Final DOOM" was the final DOOM. : lisasax

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  But what about what Robert Duffy sais? I saw these comments attributed to Robert Duffy on a website... ... : Maddog_Delphi97
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    these look like the box requirments, which are typically worthless : sexninja!!!!
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      Yeah, we need good benchmarks on each of these kind of systems so we can at least guess what the performa... : Maddog_Delphi97
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        How about you install the game, run a timedemo_1 from the console and adjust the graphic settings until y... : Ajax
        • WHAT? A LOGICAL ANSWER?!?! : DKo5
        • Well, that might work if your system is "middle of the road" for performance, but it's less useful if you... : Maddog_Delphi97
    • indeed. ive seen minimum listed before and people complained of horrible unplayability. that minimum smac... : meelk
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    The recommendations for low/medium/high given there are from the PC Gamer article, the high end was PC Ga... : Carnivac
    • Ah, I see. : Maddog_Delphi97

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  I think this is turning into a circle-jerk waaay too quickly. : nachowray
  • LOL http://www.y31.net/mrlonely/rofl.gif : bengus64
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  I have the same system except I oc'd my AMD 2100 XP to 2700 XP speeds. The 2100s easily overclock; you sh... : hohoh0
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    Really? I've got a 2700...how far can I overclock that bad boy? :) : jason bergman
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      I don't think 2700's overclock that well. The 2100 XPs were the "2500 Barton" of overclocking back when t... : hohoh0
      • Hmm on the other hand, some people seem to get up to 3200 speeds in overclockability for the 2700s. You c... : hohoh0
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    I have a 2200+ xp ... I wish I had the faintest idea how to OC. :( : sixfoot6
    • I have one. The 2200+'s suck at OC'ing. : rabbit003
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  I'm guessing 40ish fps as an average. : johnny rotten
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    ROFL where the hell did you come up with that? Let's just wait until the retail game or a demo is out. : lisasax
    • did you miss the 'guessing' part? : johnny rotten