Unreal2 & MP

I guess the only can make an oustanding multiplayer AND singleplayer game and put it into ONE box in stead of 2.

yeah except you gotta pay twice for single and multiplayer modes.

why does this matter? aren't U2 and UC using the same engine anyway?

U2 = single
UC = multi

I won't buy a game which doesn't offer a MP mode. I don't pay 40 Euros for max. 4 afternoons of fun.

This is just a way to squeeze gamers for more -- to ensure that you buy a separate MP game if you want MP, and vice versa for SP. It's like a baker selling bread and crust in separate bags.

SP - MP = extremely reduced replay value. After you finish the game, then wtf?

These epic dudes are really trying to copy id in every way eh

I think Epic is sealing their fate with the road they are taking with the new Unreal. Bad move in my opinion. Very bad. They lost half their sales when the announced Unreal 2 wasnt goign to have multiplayer.

i hope doom3 they make episodes like the old doom

Have they gone back to the old names now?

I notice that U2 and UT2 are being used to refer to the two different games.

Please bundle multiplayer capability of some sort even if its halfassed DM. Think Half-Life. If its a good, engaging game with a solid engine someone will mod it. Then buy them out and laugh at the cash cow :)

what sucks is that they delayed it from june to xmas--wtf?

I have no problem with the 'Unreal Tournament 2003' name (except that it's a bit long :p). It's quite evident that Epic/Infogrames/DE are going to try and conquer the CPL crowd by polishing their product yearly and thus try to keep the CPL-ers happy.

But 'Unreal Episode II' is crap. I mean, storywise, the first and second Unreal are totally different. It's only the world that remains the same. Plus, Episode II sounds like a name for an add-on pack.

1st post? HA!

Well shit on me the reaction here is better than I expected. Cool.

Cliff

well, I remember back to Max Payne. It also has no mp and as a reaction of that not really kickass mods were released. I like the game, but unlike CS or Q3 UT no mods ever made it like them in Max Payne...

makes sense from a business perspective, since they would be fracturing their slice of the pie. the only way I could see them including mp making any kind of business sense would be to roll UT2003 into Unreal2 as the multiplayer portion of the game, and that's not realistic financially, even tho a combined UT2/U2 would sell like hotcakes.

-gren

It's cool that someone actually cares about releasing stuff in any kind of timely manner. (BTW: Raven rules in this regard IMHO.)

As others have said - CO-OP Multi would fucking own. Omfg it would fucking own. Yes, ownage

Half-life hardly even had multiplayer when it shipped. It was only deathmatch, and it wasn't that great.

If Epic can provide a solid, legitimate and entertaining single player game, something that blows HL away in, I will gladly put my cash down for both. I already know UT2 is going to be installed on my computer because I had such a great time with UT. They're going to have to sell me hard on Unreal 2, however.

I think this will be good if it leads to a more solid SP game.

Unreal1 (for me, i hated it's MP and it seemed half assed) was effectivly SP only, and I love it.

The biggest thing I want is co-op support, or I won't be nearly as happy.

for a lot of people, no multi means no replay value. im sure the sp in unreal 2 will be good, but after it's done, that's it. you can probably play it on a higher difficulty but might get bored with it the second time around. that's the only problem that i really see with this decision. im expecting it to be a good game, but im not sure if it will be worth my $50, and i know there's lots of people who feel the same way. i'll have to wait for a demo to find out. now no multi, does that mean no co-op too ? i hope they at least have that in.
on the bright side though, this is a good thing cuz it wont split the unreal community into ut2 players and u2 players.

"You think the mod community won't figure out all sorts of crazy stuff with the game within days of release? They will."

Does that mean that there will be multiplayer capability in the engine, but they just won't have any content to go with it?

I'm tired of multiplayer games (well not really). I want good single player games now. I like being able to play by myself without anyone else around.

But then again I like mp games as well. But we have tons of mp games out there now. We really don't need a new one for each SP game released.

Excellent move!! I hate waiting for games to be released for MP support. I hate MP. People cheat all the time and LPB always rule the roost. For those of you who want MP that's what UT is for!!!!

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Who talks about Deus Ex any more (aside from the minuscule-compared-to-other-games fanbase)? Even subcontracting would be better than no MP at all (like RtCW), surely?

I guess time will tell (will a multiplayer patch like DE got be enough?) - still kinda looking forward to single play though... so long as it doesn't have any silly stealth/platform puzzles

Not that this is the approach they are taking, CliffyB seems to have a logical and truthful explanation, but he also talks about the mod community creating the online play. Should we be concerned about game makers slacking off and relying on mod makers to complete games for them? I knew publishers were getting a bit anxious about the mod world taking larger and larger chunks out of their purchasing fan base by offering free games, but I didnt think they would see mod makers as tools to be used this way.

I appluad them for focusing on the one aspect of the game and making that part the best it can be. Don't insult people by saying its "Two! Two! Two Games in one!!" when really one part would ust be thrown together for the box cover quote.

Unreal (episode) 2 is the single player game
Unreal Tournament 2(003) is the multiplayer game

YA know I see all these responses saying that the Mp in U2 would have been.. laim.. blah blah that its good its been removed.

Its obvious that 99.9% of these posters has no frigging clue what the actuall Mp in unreal2 was. IF folks had been keeping track of unreal2 since its first announcement they would realize that they are wrong.

here is the description of what the Unreal 2 Mp was going to be.. Tell me this would have stunk?

"In addition to the story-driven missions, players will be able to ascend through three single player tournament ladders consisting of multiplayer levels populated with bots. All of these levels are also available for multiplayer action on the Internet or over a LAN. In the new expanded multiplayer game, player teams will fight for control of planet surfaces and alien artifacts using nanotechnology replicators to build ever more sophisticated weapons such as automated gun turrets, force fields, sensors, recon and repair robots, and more. Players will choose one of three player classes at the beginning of play - class selection establishes a balance of speed, special abilities, armor, and firepower. All races, abilities, weapons, equipment, and tactics will have precedents in the single player game - but the expanded multiplayer experience brings everything together at the same time. "

That is straight from the official Unreal 2 site. Unreal tournament 2 is just a port of Unreal Championship spit shined for the Pc. Sorry that doesn't match the originality and the scope of what Unreal 2 Sp And Mp Together would have offered.

Too bad That Epic Saw fit to Rush the release of U2. Truth is.. I would have rather had the game delayed to have a proper mp component released. And They could have released a sp demo to give folks a good idea of what Pc hardware they would need for it.. Allow UT2 to dominate for a while.. and then Release Unreal2 after UT2 had died down.

Without Mp Unreal2 looses that replay factor. And a huge part of the community. Mp meant more sales period.

Yearly versions of UT makes me gag. It's already irritating as fuck to migrate to a new game every six-twelve months anyway. Stupidity. NHL Hockey 2004! UT 2004!

On another note, no MP in U2 is good thing :P I don't need some half assed multi taking up dev time from what could be a good single player experience. All my favorite FPS single player games are either single player only, or had multi added much later...

I hope someone from Epic or Id gets the first post on DNF GONE GOLD and says something like "this game is teh ghey!!!"

that would make my day... :)

I'm happy about their decision. Make a solid SP game, then take your good old time to make a nice MP out of it. I like SP.

I fail to see the problem with a company deciding to give us what we asked for -- less derivative multiplayer bullshit and more inventive, intense single-player experiences. I mean, shit, UT2 (or whatever) would destroy U2 (or whatever) in terms of MP numbers anyway. Why bother?

(Like we even need another multiplayer online FPS based on the Unreal tech anyway.)

Quite frankly, I agree with this decision. I've never given much of a crap about multiplayer (though I must admit, I DO enjoy the occasional Counter-Strike bout). I mean, really: Epic has already states this game is going to focus on the single player experience--if you care so much about the MP aspect, don't buy U2! Get the second UT, for crying out loud! Make up your goddamned mind! And that's not to say they'll NEVER release extra game modes, just not right away. There's always hope...

But this confuses me: "...Unreal2 wouldnt be shipping with no multiplayer." Wha? Better check your grammar, Steve. :p

Hey, it worked for Half-Life.

Are UT2 and U2 built on the same engine? If this is so there is no real concern...but if U2 is newer, I can see where people are throwing a fit.