Napster Users = Consumers

mp3's are proprietary.

i dont think that Napster is entirely right in everything they say, cause yeah the bands are just trying to make a living too. but Napster is just basically a new age radio. i think that is the best way of describing it. but yeah i think that the RIAA is pretty much the biggest scam around, the makes tons of dough, and the bands hate it and the consumers hate it, cuase we have to pay 15 to 20 bucks for a new cd. that is really a steaming pile.

100

damn The Man and stuff

nap it, yo

The trend seems to be continueing for the record companies to jack up prices even more... I just bought two CDs tonight and both were over $20. Didn't the DOJ just bust them for raping people with the prices? Where's the change that was promised?

I still think Napster is wrong and until I see a ruling that says that it is explicitly allowed, I am not going to use it. But I have just about had it with supporting the big record companies while they fuck over the people who actually worked to make the music.

Personally, I buy MANY more CD's since I got logged onto napster... Blank ones that is :)

Who cares about Napster or Metallica. The whole name says it all.

Quick Question:

You know in Win98 theres that program that runs programs for you on a schedule? Is there a similiar program like it in WinNT 4?

-Ze BFF d00d

i tend to agree w/ this survey (even tho online surveys tend to sux0r)...i my self have bought sooo many damn cd's cause of napster that i cant even begin to count....its because of napster that now i listen to such a huge range of music now, as opposed to before when i wouldn't even think of anything that wasn't of the likes of pantera, old metallica, corrosion of conformity, etc etc....basically napster has significantly broadened my musical tastes and in my cd collection now you'd find anything from beethoven to pantera to stevie ray vaughan to skynyrd to van morrison to b.b. king to cypress hill to the beatles, etc etc....its just all over the place, and its all because napster has givin me the ability to check out differnt genres and artists i would have normaly never considering listening too. With napster i can sit down and say, "yknow, why dont i check out some Stevie Ray Vaughan and see what that's all about" so id download it, listen to it, and itd turn out that id like it a lot, so next thing you know, not only am i buying stevie ray vaughan cd's, im getting into all sorts of other blues artists...and before this i didnt even listen to blues! do you think anyone would ever go into a cd store and do that? just buy cds randomly to see if they like it? hell no! i realize that not everyone is like this and there are those that just download mp3s and burn em to cd without ever even considering buying the cds, but you're gonna have people like that in whatever you do...the mp3 craze existed long before napster, and warez have been around since god-knows-when, and there's no quick-and-easy l33t warez trading program out there either (irc doesnt count :p), so either way, napster or not, you are still gonna have people abuse the system in whatever you do, which is inevitable, but there is nonetheless a lot of legitamte and positive uses for napster regarless of the abuses of it....and sure, you could argue that i downloaded those mp3's illegaly, and sure i havent bought the cd to every mp3 ive downloaded, but a huge chuck of those that i have downloaded have turned into cd sales that i would have never before thought twice about buying

-ninja

And why does my post say 3:08 when its 4:20? Damn Texans!

-Ze BFF d00d

if you think about it, the internet is the perfertly created communist society ... its a euphoria (spell check?). everyone gives, everone gets, and its pretty much all free. if the artists are so against it, they can always make records! geez, dont you make songs for people to hear and not for the money? sure money is a great reward, but u get tons of loot for doing concerts and cds still do sell! so shut up u tight assed artists! BE EASY

If I have a teeshirt and you decide that you want to borrow it and we have a tank of gas and you are in the car there will always be a discussion of who should pay for what when it comes to the gas because we are both driving to San Fransisco in my teeshirt.

if anyone cares heres my opinion on Napster.

Fenix TX = Saw something about them on www.blink182.com. Was interested but i wasn't gonna go out and spend 17 bucks on a c.d. if i didn't even know if there music was good. So I went on napster and downloaded 3 of there songs. Loved there music. Went out and bought there c.d.

IMHO Napster is a great service. Its like a try before you buy. Instead of shooting out and buying the brand new Popular band go onto napster and see if there music is really as good at the ONE song of there that plays on the radio all the time. If they have more than one good song. Buy the albumn. If they don't. Don't waster your money.

Peace Out

{Dys-func-tion-al}

Actually, I always thought I was in the minority (I probably am), but I bought 8 or 9 CDs because of napster....

Oh i see, well I'm not justifying it just clarifing sp?
If we say the service Napster provides is illegal how can we not say free web hosting / ftp whatever is illegal too. Hell I use napster but I know it's illegal, oh well.

When I take songs from Napster I always put them back.

Wow this survey is pretty dumb. Of course online music fans are going to say they spend more on music these days. They are hardly going to say

"Actually I spend way less than I used to 'cause now I just pirate my music off the net!"

now are they?

Damn thats retarded.

BH

Man what a nice and juicy thing to argue about...


mmmmm....

*bites tongue*

Fuck Napster. I cant wait to see it burn. Those file-trading utilities are bringing too much attention to the scene.

"Steal" can be defined as "to acquire property without compensation or authority". In this case, it's the artist's intellectual property. Unless the author gives you the authority to distribute their music (like those MP3.com artists) or you pay the artist what he/she wants, then you're stealing.

Face it, Napster is illegal. Enjoy it while it lasts, then move onto Gnutella or something.

alright i think someone is really dumb. and the persons is none other than poster #45. well bob, tell us what does poster number 45 get, a boot to the head cause he is a fucking retard

Robert Patrick is filling the shoes for David Ducheveny in X-Files. just read that, i thought that is pretty cool.

http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/index.html

excellent article. a must read. thanks 31

If you Napster fools don't like spending all your hard-earned cash on CD's, then just go to local clubs and support your cheap local bands if you want music the cheap route. Quit shooting up what the pushers are givin' ya, it's bad smack.

Unless you're 11. In that case, uh... stay in school.

proposition: Napster = modern day robin hood?

... just food for thought.

Ok, Napster is stealing. So what, Im cheap. I buy PC games, copy them onto a CD and sell them on Ebay. Again, Im cheap. I need that money to pay for my apartment, car insurance and gasonline, food and other things. All you kiddies whining about how stealing is wrong should be thankful that Mommy and Daddy still pay for everything. Go get your own place and car and food and lets see who's downloading off Napster.

Yea, I paid for my computer. But if I saw a P3-800 sitting on the side of the road, Id grab it and sell this hunk-o-junk on Ebay. Why? Because Im cheap, and I have to be.

-Ze BFF d00d

It should be noted that I use napster semi-often.

But, I don't try to justify it. Unlike some people.

Ok, so let's go with this argument: Napster users steal music, plain and simple. Might be right, might be wrong, but that's what we're assuming.

In any case, let's also assume that the common-sense laws of economics apply: if the price of purchasing a legitimate song is less than that of warezing a song, more people will buy their music. In this case, the music industry is clearly fux0red -- their control over the release of traditional media has allowed them to charge a high premium for the music.

Also, their current claims about one's rights to copy / share music once a person has purchase said music are equally outdated -- if I buy the music, I should be able to copy and share with whomever I want. If my friends all have T-1, then obviously it's going to be quite easy to share. But if some of them only have modems and like the music, they may be more inclined to buy the physical CD instead.

Either way you go, you have to admit that regardless of whether or not Napster is right or wrong, they've opened up Pandora's Box. The music industry no longer has control over the distribution of their media, and their pricing model is certainly not efficient enough to allow them to take full advantage of the Internet. If Napster is shut down, some other app fill its shoes..... I like to call it the "FTM Syndrome".

Damnit. I'm sick and tired of hearing about Napster. The RIAA is an evil empire. Ask any artist that's fresh to the market, trying to survive when they can't even get any airplay, thanks to the heavy hitters in the industry. If you don't suck the RIAA's cock, you don't get your music played on air. Simple as that. They've been screwing the consumer with outrageous prices on CDs that cost less than a few dollars to produce, and they turn around and screw the people that create the music by giving them 5%, sometimes less of the initial album sales. So, stop sympathizing with the RIAA. They've got their stranglehold, they have no realistic worries from the mp3 people. I don't use Napster too often out of choice. I use Scour all the time, however. Sure, maybe downloading album after album is wrong. I've done it before. But in most cases, I'll download a couple songs from an album that don't get played on the radio, listen to them, and if I like them, I'll buy the album. Why? Because I refuse to spend $15-20 on a CD when there's only 1 or 2 songs I like on it. If I like 3 or 4 songs, I can possibly justify buying it. It's not that I'm broke by any means. I live comfortably enough, and I could afford to buy every album that I download mp3's from. Stealing? Maybe. But the system's been stealing from us for the last 20-30 years.

I know Napster, Gnutella, iMesh, Scour - are there any others that are very good?

"If I download a mp3.. i'm stealing? No, because they still have their song and I didn't take it away from them."

HHAHAHA!! What kind of philosophy is that? Just because you downloaded a digital version of the song doesn't mean you didn't steal from the band.

Same with warezing.. which is outright illegal.

Also, some doob mentioned money and how they are poor. Welcome to the real world. Go get a job and buy the damn CD rather than sitting around and steal from them.

It's all about respect. If you download anything that was not meant to be given out (software, music, movies etc), you are not respecting the artist's right for them to make a living (I don't care HOW rich the artists already are).