Evening Reading: FPS Fever!

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  Check out my X-Com post plz. http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=22691648#itemanchor_22691648 : Liquid
  • More like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pokemon_Snap : capt tripps
  • Yeah the likeliest is that it's going to be like Mass Effect 2. : SpaecKow
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  curmudgeon post - "Hocks a giant loogey and spits* That is all folks. : RikiTiki2
  • Yes but console games are worth curmudgeoning. : SpaecKow
• I had it whipped out and ready to go but it just turned into a limp noodle instead :( : pyros
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  Ok, enough bullshit. If the whiners insist they are such a large contingent and want an updated X-Com rem... : Poor Yurik
  • guess my main point is, past the knee jerk reaction, search your heart and you know a turn-based X-Com ga... : Poor Yurik
  • I enjoy your post. : jingletard
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    Just because it's a niche market doesn't mean that the title deserves to be shit all over. : capt tripps
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      This is true, and having a AAA studio sink a AAA budget into it isn't "shitting all over it." : Poor Yurik
      • In this instance, I would say it does. : capt tripps
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        They don't have to sink a AAA budget into it, but it would be nice to see some of the other game genres c... : Modulus
        • Didn't the last great space sim nearer the PC's golden age (Freelancer 2) sell like 26k copies total? Tha... : derelict515
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      what makes you think it'll be shit on..just because it's being turned into an fps? Is that your only rea... : deathofrats
      • Yes. Saying it's nobody cares because TBS titles don't sell and it's better off as an FPS is shitting on... : capt tripps
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    Yes! I wanted to post something like this..all of you who are moaning about this remake, did you buy the... : deathofrats
    • I bought one or two, and they were pretty bad, and horrible buggy if I recall correctly. : Modulus
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      Well someone bought the UFO games because there are like five of them. : SpaecKow
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        Eastern European dev, ridiculously low overhead. : Poor Yurik
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          That aint a fuckin point, no one demands that there be a AAA 50 million dollar remake of X-Com. : SpaecKow
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            In fact I would love for a sector of the industry to develop that worked on a small scale with low budget... : SpaecKow
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              http://www.matrixgames.com/ Hard core (not for pussies). : capt tripps
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                Paradox does this as well and have for ages. I think Strategy First also has a stable of these kinds of g... : SpaecKow
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                  Strategy First has kinda fallen. They even sold Disciples to the russians (I'm hoping for a May US relea... : capt tripps
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                    That game has been indevelopment for fucking forever, but it sure does look nice to me. : SpaecKow
                    • There's a russian demo. : capt tripps
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              lol, you just described Matrix Games, as capt tripps linked to. : Poor Yurik
              • Last game I bought from matrix had a custom printed cd with the serial number printed on it. The develop... : capt tripps
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                Well that was more of a tangent in regard to certain other genres, like my beloved first person rpgs :( : SpaecKow
                • And I don't get what your point is anymore. Weren't you just saying how TBS games are hopeless and dead? : SpaecKow
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      I bought X-COM at least 3 times, Terror from the Deep twice, the others at least once each. It didnt see... : elathan
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        what about the UFO series (not X-COM) : RikiTiki2
        • yeah, i got those (or most of them). I didn't like them as much as I did x-com. : elathan
    • The UFO games were really bad and missed the point of Xcom as well. : baron calamity
  • It would all be okay if the big end of developer town simply didn't make turn based games anymore, but th... : SpaecKow
  • This man speaks the truth : Drewus
  • I don't think I've ever suggested that there's a large audience for them, but presenting some Russian or ... : jet-poop
  • I did. I played all those except Jagged Alliance 2. Havent gotten around to that one yet. : elathan
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    I played those games, its not the same at all. What was great about the X-COM series is that it played o... : mastermike569
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      Anyone agree with this? I mean, I think I state a valid point for not only X-COM but UFO as well. : mastermike569
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        You seem more in love with X-Com's setting and mythos than just the gameplay. If the FPS absolutely nail : Poor Yurik
        • btw the new XCOM game is set in like the 1950's and you play an FBI agent. It's actually confusing for me... : SpaecKow
        • I'm hoping for the same, I honestly really liked the game play of the original X-COM series. Everything ... : mastermike569
      • yeah I agree with you man. Except that I think there was one of those UFO games that was good but no one... : alexthegreat2
    • You know those old Xcom games still exist right? Like, you can download them off of Steam. : Drewus
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    You're overlooking the fact that the UFO games absolutely *suck*. The fact is that there hasn't been a g... : jason bergman
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      Hell, I didn't buy them. I just used them as an example that there have been many TBS games made in the ... : Poor Yurik
      • SS was awesome. It was perfect. Except for the mechs. That aside, loved loved loved it. : Ebu
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      Apocalypse wasn't that bad. It was actually quite fun when you got use to. It was radically different fro... : Modulus
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        Apocalypse was great. i have a co worker who is still playing that game. : baron calamity
        • It is, and it's a good example of how to retain the feel of the first game while changing things around. : Marrbe
    • I like X-COM because it's a tactical turn-based game. Most of the other games being discussed here are re... : Goncyn
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    I bought Jagged Alliance 2 three times : kill9
    • 4 JA purchases here :( JA2 twice, the expansion, then JA Gold. : Poor Yurik
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      Hell I'd buy it again now if I knew where : dafugg
      • http://www.gog.com/en/search/sort/search/jagged : Poor Yurik
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      Maybe there's still time for Strategy First to outsource JA3 to someone else again and turn it into a cov... : Haxim
      • Jagged Union was fun-ish, but also stupid buggy : quartic0
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    Well, but there's some space for renewed gameplay without straying way out of the original concept. Did y... : Nitrium
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      If that's the WWII RTS where you could control specific units individually, then yes. But there are very... : Poor Yurik
      • oh and Company of Heroes. : Poor Yurik
      • What I was trying to say is that you can always evolve a genre with some new concepts, and not radically ... : Nitrium
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    so all games need to be the same boring shit? : jayares
    • Yes. : Poor Yurik
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      might as well make every game franchise into an FPS. Bejeweled - The FPS Peggle - The FPS Jeopardy -... : elathan
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        You need to do it with an older, but adored franchise. Like X-Wing the FPS. Actually come to think of it ... : Haxim
        • in an abstract sense, a space combat sim is an fps, just with different movement characteristics : RikiTiki2
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    SS? Check [Ruined with mechs] JA2? Check Never heard of the UFO games. Looks like something I'll have t... : Ebu
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      The two UFO games I played were pretty good, Aftermath and Aftershock. Never did play UFO: Afterlight tho... : fart
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        Oh yeah, if anyone does try UFO: Extraterrestrials and doesn't find the Gold version, make sure to get Bm... : fart
        • Oh its on steam http://store.steampowered.com/app/37030/ Ok, I'll stop talking to myself now. : fart
  • Wahhhhh!! No one is asking for a direct clone, but it is entirely possible to innovate and keep the same ... : Fred Garvin
  • I have bought and played all of the games in your post. Most of them aren't real turn-based games. : Goncyn
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    Jagged Alliance 1, 2, the expansion, and SS here! Suck it Yurik! : brickmatt
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      Oh and JA gold. : brickmatt
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        yo brickmatt which thing is better: Silent Storm 1 Silent Storm 2 what should I play first? : SpaecKow
        • I liked the original SS a lot, I'd start there. : brickmatt
  • Why do video game fans on the internet have to evaluate things from a sound financial perspective? I d... : peanut-
  • Be it because poor sales of other genres or not, I have a problem with every game becoming an FPS. What b... : ramshot
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    They should create the FPS to sell the Xcom name and not market it as "THE NEXT REAL XCOM" but more along... : technotica
    • imo, that would be best as it would get the name out to the millions who have NEVER heard of the IP and w... : technotica
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  FALLOUT FPS - "Hocks a giant loogey and spits* That is all folks. : deathofrats
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    Don't forget Metroid FPS! oh man the outrage over that was amazing : mikecyb
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      true. but this is a much greater shift imho. action <-->action but strategy to action? we'll see. w... : hamachi
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        You are thinking of C&C Renegade. : Poor Yurik
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          that's it! seemed like such an odd switch. : hamachi
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            Renegade was a fucking amazing game, you take that shit back! : IndigoAK
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              God the player models in that game were fucking terrible, and the story was lackluster. But the MP was am... : MercFox1
              • The MP was great on a good map with two good teams. Circling around defending the base in my helicopter w... : Marrbe
    • A turn-based strategy game is a bit further away from an FPS than a side-scrolling platformer, but the re... : omnova
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      Indeed it and FO3 are fun games but the fun they are are completely separate from the games we loved befo... : zakazi
      • why don't portables count? : RikiTiki2
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    SHADOWRUN FPS - "Hocks a giant loogey and spits* That is all folks. : razlebol
    • ya i know, The only experience I had with shadow run was the SNES or Genesis (cant remember exactly) game... : technotica
• ... we don't even know how its going to play other than its a FPS perspective. Quit being a whiny whiner ... : happynoodle
• I prefer to stay optimistic on it. It's the only X-COM we're gonna get. : smax
• I still have my box of Terror from the Deep which has this notebook included: http://www.xcomufo.com/x2n... : Nitrium
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  it blows my mind that there is still no a) Space exploration game better than moo2 b) Fantasy strateg... : alexthegreat2
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    Freespace 2 is still goat loads better then any other space sim. : Liquid
    • It's no TIE Fighter but epic in its own ways. : Mad Brahmin Disease
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    I really liked Wing Commander Privateer for space exploration. Wish somebody would do a remake of the Wi... : mastermike569
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      Get yourself some Freelancer. The controls are odd at first, but wind up being pretty natural. : AxeMan808
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        yeah I didn't really mean that sort of exploration, I meant 4X : alexthegreat2
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          Oh, no. That was for the Privateer post. *You* want Galactic Civilizations 2. : AxeMan808
          • didn't like it... rather play moo2 (which I do) : alexthegreat2
          • I'll take a look at those games and see what I think. I just really liked the Wing Commander Universe bu... : mastermike569
  • Those are three of my favorite games of all time. I still play them sometimes. : Goncyn
• http://www.shackpics.com/files/oblivion2_pcbfl0wn7jeleuk1h0ql.jpeg : The Key
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  It's Shadowrun all over again. : Sailor of Fortune
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    Shadowrun could make an amazing FPS like Deus Ex. Making it multiplayer shooter is a different matter. Th... : derelict515
    • It's more like, "Oh sweet X-Com! Oh it's an FPS..." : Sailor of Fortune
  • At least with Shadow run, you control a single character, even in the pen and paper game. : baron calamity
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  I'll post this here. This is how this feels. http://nerfnow.com/comic/283 : elathan
  • Ha! Good one. Wish the final frame was drawn better. : baron calamity
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    cartoon dahanese is cute : RikiTiki2
    • no way. we have 2K belt buckles. none of this girlie hair clip bullshit. : dahanese
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  I'll admit I'm an Irrational and to some extent 2K fan boy. Loved Bioshock, Loved Bioshock 2 even more. I... : baron calamity
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    I thought X-COM alliance was dropped because of Hasbro? I was actually looking forward to that game at t... : mastermike569
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      X-com Genesis was canceled by Hasbro. (Think that was the New Chapel studio) After it was clear X-com All... : baron calamity
      • What exactly was XCom genesis going to be? Just a mainline XCom game? : SpaecKow
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  An FPS would be perfectly acceptable if it were in the vein of SWAT 3/4 or Rainbow Six (original, not tha : PenicillinX57
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    The rigid pre-planning of the old R6 games would be absolutely HORRID for a game like X-Com where constan... : Poor Yurik
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      Vegas 1 and 2 are not tactical shooters. You can play those games completely ignoring your squadmates eve... : SpaecKow
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        Disagreed, and disagreed. : Poor Yurik
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          Also one could argue that you could park your squad in a corner in any of the Rainbow or Ghost Recon game... : Poor Yurik
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            No they didn't turn into Doom, they turned into Gears of War.
            
            Also one could argue that you could park your squad in a corner in any of the Rainbow or Ghost Recon games and do everything solo.
            
            Yes you could argue. But there was also a benefit to co ordinating them yes?
            
            I always tried to take advantage of sweep and clear orders in Vegas, taking things from multiple entry points and whatever, never felt like I had made a big difference. Nor did I feel like I was solving a tactical problem. I take a lot more time assessing and planning in Crysis than I do in any of the new Tom Clancy games.
            
            I was never huge into the original Rainbow games, so maybe their tactical elements were awful and dumb always, I never really tested them that deeply. What I do know from playing Vegas through is that its biggest claim to fame is having a cover system that has you hold down a button to get in and out of it. Otherwise it works like any other modern shooter to me and doesn't require any special skills on my part that MW, Gears, or any of these other take-cover-aim-for-head games don't demand.

            Apr 14, 2010 8:38pm PDT
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            No they didn't turn into Doom, they turned into Gears of War. Also one could argue that you could par : SpaecKow
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              Having played Gears of War, I find the comparison mostly superficial. Yes, both had cover systems, both ... : Poor Yurik
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                This is an argument with someone else, I am not an R6 purist of any kind. When it comes to shooters I am ... : SpaecKow
                • seems like just a difference of opinion about vegas's merits. for me, i used the squadmates as kind of a... : Poor Yurik
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        Pretty much agreed. Gotta go back to swat4 for the last proper tac shooter where planning and using squad... : thewindcriesmary
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          Word, and you could give orders on the fly with the dropdown menu couldn't you in that game? : SpaecKow
          • yep, and the ai was pretty good so you could rely on them to do important stuff. : thewindcriesmary
  • I don'rt know. I hated SWAT 4. Drop in co op? Ugh. Playable sides such as one being the agents and others... : baron calamity
  • Something like this, yes. More along the lines of Raven Shield with aliens. : Marrbe
• GAMING INDUSTRY - *shits everywhere* : ETPC1
• At this point, I am just glad it's not an FPS MMO. But still, what the hell, man? : CrustaR
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  Let's make Zork into an FPS next, or Tass Times in Tone Town or Commander Keen. : Dr_Cube
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    Or Myst. The tagline could be something like "Your enemies have Myst you..." : Dr_Cube
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      Already happens. RealMyst and Myst V: End of Ages both had FPS controls. : IndigoAK
      • Yeah, but the next one will have a rocket launcher. : master_disaster_17
  • Commander Keen in first person, with Jumping Flash style pogo bouncing would be epic. : Drewus
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    maybe they could come up with something interesting for Leather Godesses of Phobos. : Borzoi
    • fps jill of the jungle? Or is that a required 3rd person shooter? : JuffoWup
  • Mad Dog Macree would fit perfectly. lol : chilln
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  Cry some more... You guys are starting to sound a lot like front page posters. : melt_core
  • Hey I will be an angry and disgusted nerd as long as I please. That is what the internet is for. They ... : peanut-
• I have a confession to make... I never played XCOM... : greh kleh
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  http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=22498905 Thanks for proving me right, X-Com "fans". I'm fucking pu... : roushimsx
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    You kidding me I would LOVE for this to turn out like Alliance. : SpaecKow
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      Cancelled and assets turned in to a lacklustre third-person shooter? :-) : Aldebrand
      • hahahahaha : baron calamity
      • With a cover system. : SpaecKow
• Bioshock 2 was a great game that earned 2k Marin a lot of respect from me. They obviously know what they ... : Sexpansion Pack
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  Boy.....a LOT of bitching going on about this and yet everyone said the Fallout 3 shitters were "haters".... : avatar_58
  • Never got far into F3. For some reason every single Beth game released since Oblivion (same engine i gues... : technotica
  • Completely different. Fallout 3 was still a single character RPG set in the Fallout universe. : baron calamity