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  very easy to get a job doing Ruby right now if you're good. the pay is high too : wtf242
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    also there may be a lot of php jobs but they are going to be extremely low pay : wtf242
    • ^^^PHP is a low bar to entry. Low salary with that. : askedrelic
    • "Extremely" low? Facebook uses mostly PHP. There's a range. I'd go with ruby or python myself. Ruby... : Ovate
    • Is this really so in the states? Over here on entry level jobs the pay is low, but if you know what you a... : ramshot
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    Ruby came up, but we didnt know how marketable it was since its not something that is taught in school th... : Demius
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      If I've read right, Ruby is very marketable BECAUSE it's not taught in schools. Not many people know it, ... : Arctic Fox
      • If someone needs a C# developer they are going to hire someone who knows C#, not someone who knows Ruby. ... : MagicWishMonkey
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      I've been interviewing with startups in the Bay Area, along with watching CL and job boards for many area... : askedrelic
      • Perl isn't dead per se, it's still used in a lot of build enivronments. : cltcprd
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      Ruby sounds cool and all but there's no way I would pidgeonhole myself into web development (since most R... : MagicWishMonkey
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        sounds like good code to learn to get overpaid at a startup for a few years then as it goes belly up you ... : gmd
        • Hahah, pretty much. : MagicWishMonkey
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      you're thinking about this the wrong way. You need to think about how many other programmers you are goin... : wtf242
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        Dude, learn Haskell, fucking no one knows Haskell, so you could charge like $500/hour!! : askedrelic
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          the new hotness is Clojure dude. : wtf242
          • hahaha, knows what's up : zakazi
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            and Erlang and Scala : J4NUS
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              But I'm not even joking, if you know (and put something decent in production) with Clojure, Erlang or Sca... : J4NUS
              • Erlang is such a mind trip at first. Only done very very little in it. Very valuable if you can do it. Th... : zakazi
            • last.fm and facebook actually use a lot of erlang...it's apparently good for non-blocking push servers (n... : Ovate
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        shane according to that I should be making about $20k more, it lies : gmd
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          Move to Texas and do your fancy matlab crap for Raytheon or something. : MagicWishMonkey
          • if I move I will never work in government again, I would do commercial : gmd
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          yeah it's not very accurate. I make 20k more than what the average is for my city and title. It's better ... : wtf242
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            my company has turned into faggots regarding younger employees pay, they say it is because the company a... : gmd
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              Do you know much about software architecture? That's where the long term big-bucks potential is in the... : MagicWishMonkey
              • would I get even more if I wear a redskins jersey to the interview? : gmd
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                and no I really don't deal with architecture, I mainly deal with coding and maintaining a small Matlab su... : gmd
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                  That's a bummer dude, at least your probably a total badass with matlab now, so that's cool : MagicWishMonkey
                  • well I mean I can show it off, just you know not during job interviews. : gmd
      • Its kind of depressing that I make more than the average, because I was jonesing for a raise. : afrochops
• Basic : thejay247
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  PHP? Python? lol : MoreVespeneGas
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    "lol" isn't a language : Demius
    • LOLCODE is. LOLCODE will be big guys. BIG I TELL YA : askedrelic
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    PHP, Python, and Ruby dominate valley web companies... : Ovate
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      lol... : MoreVespeneGas
      • haha lol wtf : J4NUS
      • heh okay...I know three senior engineering managers at facebook and two co-founders of well-funded startu... : Ovate
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  C# and AS3 are both in high demand right now, you won't have a problem finding high paying jobs with eith... : MagicWishMonkey
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    AS3? As in Flash Actionscript 3? (pardon my noobness) : aasyranth
    • Yea, actionScript 3 : MagicWishMonkey
• Poor Java developers :( : ErikTehRed
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  C# and SQL. The world is running on these two now. SQL being a big one people always seem to forget abo... : cetra00
  • I'm quite glad that all the colleges I applied to have a pretty extensive database set of courses.. but y... : Demius
  • Linq to SQL and ORMs are becoming pretty popular... : GreatGooglyMoogly
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  C is really not that marketable. You may not like Java but it is marketable : kill9
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    c# and java are definitely very marketable and they are great languages to know. They are very similar an... : wtf242
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      I don't really understand why Java seems to be some kind of black sheep to people recently. : ErikTehRed
      • Recently? There has been a cadre of people who seem to loathe Java for quite a while. : Arcanum
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        it's because so many ruby/python/c# developers were once java developers. in the web dev world java is vi... : wtf242
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          Well, I'll agree that Java is less than great for rapid application development. It just irks me that peo... : ErikTehRed
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            Definitely. You're not going to work on crazy consumer-facing stuff for a startup in Java, but you might... : J4NUS
            • It's kind of funny because I'm working for an IBM-like company. I originally started with Java but we've ... : ErikTehRed
  • C is pretty much required for any embedded work. : ieGod
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  Assemlby!! : shirif
  • d'oh : shirif
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    I think i have to take an assembly class... i'm kinda looking forward to it. Is that wrong? :( : Demius
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      Assembly was my favorite programming class, it was a lot of fun. : MagicWishMonkey
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        Motorola hc11 ! : gmd
        • We worked with Intel assembly in my CSE class, I don't remember much about the Motorola stuff we used for... : MagicWishMonkey
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      It's a great course that helped me understand how code gets compiled into machine instructions. Also help... : shirif
      • It really helped me wrap my mind around how objects work, oddly enough. : MagicWishMonkey
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    ... But what architecture? x86? HC16? SuperH? : Freon
    • Hope you don't get x86 oh god so horrible. : Chod
  • device drivers are written in assembly, I think? : pap26
• In Portland Java, C# (asp.net) and Flash/AS3 are extremely popular. Too bad I don't enjoy working with ei... : d3tached
• What languages to have on a resume really depends on what type of company you're applying to. Regardless... : comando93
• cobol. : CoRDS
• The only viable answer remains Delphi : lolpatrol
• Java, C++, C# and PHP seem to be pretty long term easily hirable languages to know. Python and Ruby se... : DianeOfTheMoon
• That depends entirely on the job, with the caveat that someone with significant skill in C++ (or other la... : Arcanum
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  I hope java dies out, I don't know why I hate java, but I never liked it when I had to learn it for my AP... : bluewagon
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    random thought though: java seems like a good language to teach in HS because you can jump to a GUI right... : bluewagon
    • Bah, you can jump to a gui right away in Delphi, too. : lolpatrol
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      Are you implying that building a GUI in Java is somehow an attractant to the language? : Ovate
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        It's very easy to do.. : bluewagon
        • Doing it in C# is also very easy but avoids the wanting to gouge your eyes out with a rusty spoon part : Ovate
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      Anyone who believes building GUIs in Java is fun or interesting, probably hasn't done so. : Arcanum
      • I'm just saying it's easy to build, and all the kids that were in my HS class wouldn't move on to the AP ... : bluewagon
      • been doing it for 10 years and love it : peter
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        I've been doing Java as my primary language for about 8 years now, probably about 50/50 between Struts/JS... : trevis
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          Honestly I can't understand what the fuss is about Swing. I have built the UI for applications in C, VB, ... : peter
          • If you're doing C# and making a Windows form app there is no reason not to use the IDE. It's way faster t... : Chod
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      lol : shirif
      • Gui making is a feature found in most newer IDEs. : shirif
• Scheme : ErikTehRed
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  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_(programming_language) ? : the archvile
  • we learned about Ada in my data structures class, more of a "this is interesting" type of discussion tho ... : Demius
  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Befunge I'm only half-joking. : Arcanum
  • eww, this was the first language I learned. Not a fan. : meesterbill
• c#, java, python are probably your best long term bets. : wvuong
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  Bachi : DarkWolf5
  • There aren't many moisture vaporators around here though. : hawke
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  Has perl fallen from use? :( : alias
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    naw it's still the swiss army chainsaw it's just that it's not a great web language and has seemingly bee... : zakazi
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      Our main program is written in C++ and Java. (cross platform on a lot of Unix machines) However, all of... : hawke
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        O_O that sounds scary. Can you tell us (generally) what kind of program? : J4NUS
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          Custom (not supposed to be custom) database stuff. (We supply the database, automation, and client-serve... : hawke
          • That's pretty much what I end up using perl to do. Turning automated data format X into automated data f... : alias
      • But it's interesting to note that those are the guys who get to do anything exotic. "Oh, you need some J... : hawke
      • I run all the reporting and monitoring on our server back end in Perl. All custom scripts, with some tie-... : loboca
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  Been interviewing lately. For us: general Intelligence and the proven ability to execute come first. Lang... : zakazi
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    ^^ This. I'd actually say shipping things is most important, and doing it in relevant, appropriate langu... : J4NUS
    • Good Lord yes shipping. So huge. Also team experience is big if you can get it. But I'd say that's less o... : zakazi
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    it can be tricky having experience in more than one language at the same time. Usually somebody does C++ ... : peter
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      That's where the side projects come in. :) : zakazi
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        It's 12:11, and I've still got something open for work here. Having time for side projects would be nice... : lolpatrol
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          I feel you. I haven't had any in a long time (it's a bit hypocritical to look for that in a candidate but... : zakazi
          • Also you can work other languages into work related things. That's how I started with Ruby. Writing watir... : zakazi
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    nice writeup, thanks :) : Demius
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      absolutely! Anything I can do to help, it's hard to find good candidates. :( : zakazi
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        I like my resume so far - 1st place in Jr Colleges ACM competition (C++) and also competed in two othe... : Demius
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          I'd say two years in you're looking good. A nice bit of exploration and breadth of experience already. So... : zakazi
          • (actually I'd say you're looking better than most resumes we see come in, at least in the stuff I look fo... : zakazi
  • If you talk to head hunters or generally non technical folks who just want to match the bullet points on ... : trevis
  • Listen to this man, he knows what's up! The thing about languages, is that it usually doesn't matter. ... : sammyjojo
  • been interviewing people as well, and your points coincide with my feelings as well. doing stuff on your ... : afrochops
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    Your post gives me hope: I'm thinking of switching to software development (currently, science researcher... : Arctic Fox
    • Really, anything! Just that you did something is first and foremost. So do whatever interests you. Like J... : zakazi
  • So what do you say to a COBOL developer with some Java who is awesome? (Yes, I'm awesome, I really am!) ... : randomjgj
  • Exactly. While you need C++ for actually doing work here, nothing will get your foot in the door faster t... : uncleanmonkey
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    So "Jack of all trades, master of none"? Personally I think you have to pick a language for the current g... : Pantene Pro-V
    • The problem is that it's almost impossible to be an expert, in the true sense of the word, of a single la... : uncleanmonkey
    • Generalist is the preferred nomenclature. ;) Anyway, I can't agree with uncleanmonkey's post more more... : zakazi
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  I have 1000 hours of project work due by June, so my boss asks if a contractor would help. Mind you, he'... : jimmy-buffett
  • Suck. That sounds just death marchish. We tried the contractor thing at my last job and our results were ... : zakazi
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    The sign of shitty management is their unwillingness to try to fix a problem until it's too late! : LilCrypto
    • I don't fault them for having a few big projects creep up on them, I usually run a 4-6 month backlog of p... : jimmy-buffett
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  Weird but serious: learn Actionscript 3. It might be totally passé by the time you're looking for a j... : J4NUS
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    oh, two years to go? yeah, wait and see. : J4NUS
    • i remember a few years ago when i was curious as to how to get into programming, ppl recommended me Actio... : Demius
  • If Adobe manages to get their shit to compile directly to the iPhone OS platform properly, it'll be gener... : Ovate
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    Depends on domain. also, keep in mind thatost everyone has some subjective idea of what the "cool new lan... : Antilles_Prime
    • Sure, all I'm saying is that if you're an AS3 developer with a (real) software engineering background and... : J4NUS
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  c++ is moneyhats but you'll want to kill yourself maintaining the ancient pieces of shit. you'll never b... : electroly
  • make sure they're moving soon though. i've done several new feature developments in MFC because the prod... : electroly
• the ones most applicable to the job that i am applying for. in my case, it would be C / C++, Lisp, Perl,... : dopeman
• C/C++ for bit twiddling, python for scripting, perl for write-once heavy text processing. : daVinci1980
• We're hiring both Java and C# developers right now. C++ is always a good standby to have, but even embe... : Dimmona
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  I wish C# had a native compiler instead of being dependent on MSIL. : Maddog_Delphi97
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    I say this because I want to see device drivers written in C#. Something more complex than a typical pri... : Maddog_Delphi97
    • http://www.microsoft.com/netmf/about/default.mspx : Dimmona
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      device drivers written in C# basically sounds like the worst idea ever : electroly
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        Why? Drivers, if anything, have a disproportionate (compared to regular apps) need to be robust from thin... : uncleanmonkey
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          Drivers are (usually, though not always, sadly) small and have fairly hard constraints on memory and CPU ... : jcupitt
          • What performance problems does Singularity have? As far as I can tell it improves performance in a number... : uncleanmonkey
  • you can do ahead of time compilation with ngen to deploy native binaries (perf can actually be worse than... : derelict515
• Java. It's bloody everywhere. : johnsto
• Python? Monty Python?!? : nwillard
• While not a programming language Javascript is very good to have for web work. As more things get desktop... : Chod

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  this is why I play with a suicidal playstyle which ruins my kill to death ratio but it's way more fun. p... : mikecyb
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    I'm the same. Most of the dummies I play MW2 are obsessed with their k/d ratio. They'll lie in a room for... : Dave-A
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      I'm another in that boat. I used to be annoyed by my K/D ratio but now I just say fuck it. It's only bad ... : Pettytheft
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        it doesnt matter how many times you die, just that you made the other team die more : Alpha Class Android
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          This. FUCKING THIS! K/D ratios are for pussies (and RA3 I guess...but mostly pussies). : Vorlonesque
          • RA3 didn't even track k/d ratio's ... it was all about Damage to Time ratio. : InfoBiter
    • This is me...I generally play DOM or HQ, so I'm rushing the objective in a kamikaze blaze of glory. : Vorlonesque
    • Even back in the day, I was a high-sens, charge at dudes with a RL player, not a low-sens Railgun guy. In... : jet-poop
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    I often times am jumping off ledges shooting as I fall down in Quake games because "it'll only take a chu... : Vorlonesque
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      Also I hate CS because it rewards preserving your own ass instead of taking one for the team. : Vorlonesque
      • not if you're really really good at it : _jon
  • Me too. It is shitty for games like the Rainbow Six games because you fuck your team and have to sit out ... : invisible_kid
  • I play to win. If that means we're playing 'Demolition' in Modern Warfare 2 I will usually have a terrib... : soggybagel
  • I couldn't care less about my KDR. I just want to win matches. : riptyde
  • I play this style in day of defeat. I get lots of kills, AND deaths muahaha : chungathebunga
  • This is my strat 75% of the time when I'm T. Rush Rush Rush and Rush some more. Fuck my K/D ratio and fuc... : buzzbat
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  if they don't hide they end up being easy points for the other team. i don't think their approach matters... : Mansmells
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    Exactly. In many games, dying less is more important than killing more. : chrisschutz
    • Such as? I am having trouble thinking of any situation where hiding by yourself is a better option th... : InfoBiter
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    It really does though. Sometimes just being out there doing nothing more than spamming or being a meat sh... : InfoBiter
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      I don't agree with that. : Mansmells
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        Although I should say I thought you were talking about a severe skill mismatch. If the skills aren't way ... : Mansmells
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          If there is a large skill mismatch then there is very little the less skilled team can do that will matte... : InfoBiter
          • Usually with a skill mismatch comes knowledge (of maps, strategies, etc) and experience mismatch. In the ... : Mansmells
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  I think people just dont have experience with fps and get confused easily in new maps so i guess it easie... : DarkDeus
  • It really gets under my skin when players who are obviously not new do this. Generally I strike that u... : InfoBiter
• Same reason I quit + uninstall within 5 minutes of playing any RTS online. Some genres just aren't for c... : PenicillinX57
• I get scared :( : ass-street
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  If you are talking about "hiding" and not "camping", it's simply taking cover. Put some large object bet... : jimmy-buffett
  • I'm talking about hiding in a corner every time conflict starts. Not necessarily taking cover but actuall... : InfoBiter
• I don't hide, but my natural tendency is stealth. For example, in games like CS I would usually walk rath... : Bold
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  I think you're oversimplifying. If you're faced with an overwhelming 1v1 disadvantage and temporarily hid... : Felraiser
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    The first scenario doesn't really qualify as "hiding" to me. The second I can understand, but doesn't... : InfoBiter
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      Yeah, I see what you're talking about more specifically now. Still, I think it takes more than simple ... : Felraiser
      • Yah, I suppose I was more interested in the more veteran players who still choose to do this. Usually... : InfoBiter
• I saw this A LOT in the BF2 days. Any server that wasn't known for being a well-admin'd or a skilled serv... : at0micgarden
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  what is it about human nature that makes someone use an AWP when the whole server doesn't want them to? : eeeealmo
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    The whole server? We've been over this, there are 3-4 cry babies (with yourself being the king) who disli... : InfoBiter
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      A weapon that's a 1 hit kill unless you accidently hit someone in the hands or feet, perfect accuracy ove... : Epsilon Sector
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        The gun is extremely unaccurate while moving even the slightest amount. Learning how to control momentum ... : InfoBiter
        • To back this up, way back, unless it was de_aztec, AWPs rarely outnumbered rifles in CAL. : givemesnacks
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          To be honest, I never really took the time to master any of the snipers in CS. I always thought of it as ... : Epsilon Sector
          • this is the oddest post to me and will be to probably anyone else who's played a lot of CS. you basicall... : mXENO
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      As far as my understanding goes if you're honestly as skilled as you make yourself out to be, the AWP isn... : the city
      • Not arguing that. If we're looking at score I always do better running around headshotting things with th... : InfoBiter
  • i havent played cs with u guys recently but when i did, it was exactly as infobiter described. only a few... : mXENO
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  imagine our ancestors - you're some caveman out in the open tracking that animal so you can feed cavemen ... : TPSReport
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    Charge in the direction of the arrow to fuck someone up before he could shoot at me again. : InfoBiter
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      Only in videogames! When the penalty for death is a one-minute wait, yes, this is the right response. Bu... : Enkidu
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        He said arrow ... if it was a gun I'd hide. : InfoBiter
        • ^^^ camper : TPSReport
    • Darwin award material. How long do you think it takes to get another arrow ready? The shooter would've pr... : Pulveri
  • Make a post on the Shack to the effect of "Oh shit I think someone is shooting arrows at me? What should... : riptyde
  • Strafe and throw rocks : Mr. Goodwrench
• camping ftw! staying in one spot ONLY works if you are an uber sniper... but that doesnt even work. the o... : sanewave
• It's common sense - if you're in an unfamiliar or overly challenging scenario, one that you may not fully... : wytefang
• Fight or flight instincts mixed with a disparity of skill and corresponding lack of confidence in their g... : Xevo
• crouching makes you invisible. duh. : vynn
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  I blame games like Counterstrike. They taught people that running and hiding is more immediately benefic... : Arcanum
  • Booya!! : johnsto
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  I would hide like a motherfucker while TIMING THE QUAD DAMAGE : Downforce
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    While I was getting Red and Yellow armor with just enough time left to land on the quad as it spawned ;) : InfoBiter
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      I can imagine the intricate routes guys like fatality had in their heads for each map were damn near perf... : givemesnacks
      • Too perfect. Some maps (dm6 and qzdm1 come to mind) were so overtimed that one death could easily mean th... : InfoBiter
  • I used to be able to just own item possession in Quake 1/2, I don't there has been a game since those tha... : bld
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  Play on my team. EOT. : ImageOmega
  • Been there, done that, bitches still hide. : InfoBiter
• People don't want to get shot. Whenever I used to play airsoft I would see this all the time, especially ... : ninjase
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  I hide in BFBC2 to give my squad an advance spawn point : retarded talking dinosaur
  • youre my hero. im super suicidal. :P : chilln
  • See that qualifies under that hiding strategically clause where it is a good course of action. : InfoBiter
• I remember when I started out playing online FPS games (Rainbow Six... yes, the original Rainbow Six), wa... : Chase999
• lack of confidence, i'd say. i've seen the situation you describe happen so many times in cs. lack of c... : mXENO
• Honestly, I don't give a fuck about my K/D. All I care about is the objective. If I have to die 45 times ... : Old_Fart
• As far as you using the AWP, bring it on. If it's in the game, why whine about people using it? In the ol... : Old_Fart
• Halo, CS. : GreatGooglyMoogly
• Because its easier to shoot and hit when you are not moving? Most modern FPS games penalize walking and s... : Lukiopimp
• If someone is shooting at you and you don't know where from, the logical course of action is to bolt for ... : Mr. Goodwrench
• Not just FPS (I see it in UT). Starcraft too. Well, the equivalent of it. Newbs invariably turtle and ... : MamiyaOtaru
• I learnt it in controlling the red armor and mega health in q1dm6 : kramweil
• not knowing what to do, most of the time. : Lionel2b
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  You Americans have such large e-penis... : Snake&Crane
  • I heard that the French version of MW2 is just a race to surrender to the other team. : Topsiderover
• Some feeling of self-preservation. They assume dying is bad in the game, and don't realize that dying af... : DinK
• You don't understand why human beings hide when they are getting shot at? : holinka
• I used to play solely tactical realism from COD1 all the way to MW. That style of playing is incredibly s... : Warbird12345

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  The visuals in this game leave a lot to be desired : kill9
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    Difficult to judge by these screenshots. The lighting seems neat but the darkness hides the texture detai... : Nitrium
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      yea i think shots like this look pretty good. http://i.imgur.com/2kYgQ.jpg I'll upload some more though.... : DarkDeus
      • looks like Doom 3. does the future in AvP not allow flashlights mounted to guns either? =P : Xevo
  • looks pretty good to me, though they went a little heavy on the worn paint texture for that machine gun. : jujubeads
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    Really? Get your eyes checked buddy. : pop_secret
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      Yes, really : kill9
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        also keep in mind this is in direct x 9 with no AA. The directx 11 version is supposed to make the models... : DarkDeus
        • where is the dx11 shots? : Iwannaacura
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      I can understand bitching about other parts of the game, but the graphics are very nice. : Crabs Jarrard
      • yea, id love some people to post some directx 11 shots as well with the AA turned up. : DarkDeus
  • the last shot looks awesome! : ass-street
  • Incorrect - Try it on DX 11 settings, I was rather impressed and surprised (after the Demo, though since ... : wytefang
  • Disagree. They're quite good on DX11. : Rice-Rocketeer
  • Those screenshots look really nice, i don't see what's ostensibly wrong with it. : Klebold
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  and what are your system specs? : spaceyme
  • e8400 4.0 ghz oc 8800 gts 512 4 gig ram windows xp. I really think the aliens look great in motion. Th... : DarkDeus
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  some nws shots? Hologram stripper- http://imgur.com/VPAVv.jpg http:... : DarkDeus
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    Shake it, baby! : CrustaR
    • I'm beginning to like this game. : ass-street
  • Holy shit, George would of saw this and delayed DNF for another year. : inf3d3l
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    Maintaining an erection in that room would be difficult. : Wyvern
    • Indeed. The hologram is quite bright and distracting. It's hard to focus on the hot, hot corpses. : SockMonkeh
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  What are you waiting for? Get to the goddamned club. Those space marines can't raise the roof by themselv... : ChibiJosh
  • lol yea i think they got distracted by the holographic stripper cause they were all dead when i got there... : DarkDeus
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  when you play as marine, are you solo a lot of the time or do you have other marines backing you up? : Waffles!
  • solo most of the time. In the first level i had one or two marines fighting with me at one point but that... : DarkDeus
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  I only want to know thing.......is....it......fun. : warcrow
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    now that i have it running smoothly the marine campaign is lots of fun. It's really easy to please me th... : DarkDeus
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      How'd you fix the hitching problem? : CrustaR
      • bumped the graphics down to normal. If i have more than 50-60 fps there is not hitching and it controls p... : DarkDeus
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  glad you're enjoying it. so far i'm finding it absolutely dreadful. i got to the night club, fought the a... : waxthirteen
  • My experience was the exact opposite - graphics were really nice, the opening portion was tense and the f... : wytefang
  • What feels off with the pulse rifle to you? The alien animations seem pretty good. They switch it up a lo... : DarkDeus
  • You got to the night club and made your decision? That's seriously 5-10 minutes into the game, man. : Rice-Rocketeer
  • quick question, were you hugely into the old AvP game? : Xevo
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  Holly Fuck, just played Marine for about an hour got a pulse rifle and am doing missions. The game is ... : valcan_s
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    Seriously what more can you ask for? http://renewsoft.com/BLDRscreens/AvsP_EPIC.jpg : valcan_s
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      http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=22183989#itemanchor_22183989 : CrustaR
      • LOL :) nice tits and ass PERFECT! Just need to find a flame thrower and a smart gun and then we ha... : valcan_s
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    A nice thing it has gamepad and keyboard support. Still this freeking stuttering pause or what ever it... : valcan_s
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      someone suggested to me if you have an nvidia card is setting pre-rendered frames to 0 in the nvidia cont... : oHnOES
      • YES! That 100% worked I am running with out stuttering this game is PERFECT now :) Thanks a million... : valcan_s
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    http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/aliensvspredator : SockMonkeh
    • Cool go to see :), IGN and Gamespot are mental as usual. I have not played enough but so far it has be... : valcan_s
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  I think I need to wait a week for a patch before I play any more. First time I loaded it up there was no ... : Dynotaku
  • Plus I'd really like about 10 degrees on the FOV. : Dynotaku
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  They should use this engine for natural selection 2. : thecatinthehat
  • Nah the engine is freeking amazing and I am in only DX10 maxed out everything with a Geforce 295 60 fps n... : valcan_s
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  [Stuttering] - [FIX] - [Nvidia] Thanks to oHnOES -------------------------------------- someone s... : valcan_s
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    That would be me, and yes, trying this is highly recommended. : Marrbe
    • yeah, sorry for being lazy, i didnt check my shack messages. all the credit is due for marrbe : oHnOES
    • Thanks Bro :) : valcan_s
  • thank you jesus, this made me stop play, and wait for patch. Now i can go nuke some shit from orbit. : EagleSweet

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  Texas is gaining on California, but I am still surprised it is a bit behind. : dognose
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    I don't know where you live in TX, so don't want to insult you, but all of texas is not austin/san antoni... : batkiwi
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      I am in DFW :) : dognose
      • Foot->mouth. You're proof I'm at least a little wrong. : batkiwi
• Yay for Hawaii! : Vincent Grayson
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  wtf is in utah. Are mormans really that fucking happy? : nyranger66
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    Yeah, they are a very upbeat, community oriented culture. Surprised Alaska is high on the list. : bashildy@speakeasy.net
    • not a lot of people to survey. : Jikim
    • Palin isn't in office anymore! : NFXFSX
  • they're just idiots. : skryte
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    Well they do fuck alot. ALOT... : Malku
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      You mean 'a lot', or do they fuck while distributing things around? : thecray
      • I'm so tired I can't comprehend this question :(. I was making fun of the amount of children they all ha... : Malku
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    i get the creeps when i'm in salt lake city. it reminds me of a cold, very white, LA. It's a scary place ... : mindmann
    • SLC is crap. Happy Valley (Provo/Orem area) is more like I'd expect from the survey (though still creepy... : MamiyaOtaru
  • I'm in Utah (just recently moved out here back in Oct.) Generally people do seem to be a bit more friendl : Tech T
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  This list is kind of dumb - the states rich people retire to are all at the top of the list. : Borzoi
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    Hawaii sure, but who the fuck gets rich and retires to Utah or Iowa? : -hyroth-
    • Who the fuck retires to Alaska? : IndigoAK
    • I know some rich ass folks who have fancy places in Utah, also Montana, Colorado, Idaho, etc. : Borzoi
    • Oh, I dunno. Robert Redford and Gary Coleman to name a few. : Cihte
    • nobody. but iowa is awesome anyways : zombie man
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      FUCKING MORMONS AND THEIR HAPPINESS. >:( : coldfusioncs
      • I have to admit, Mormon chicks I've met are hot. : Sailor of Fortune
  • If I retire Vermont isn't where I'd go. Screw the snow and the hillbillies. ;-) : peter
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    Having been raised in Montana, I can tell you that 99.99% of the people are poor but happy farmers, and t... : Dimmona
    • i love montana and would like to move back there one day. : d0pamine
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  I would factor in the naivety of those states in the rankings. I think more people from New York would s... : TaintedSyringe
  • The pretentiousness in this post is overwhelming : zombie man
  • Haha, are you fucking serious? : Visceral Monkey
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    You should probably go to Iowa and inform them all about this mystical land called Europe that they are m... : -hyroth-
    • Come here to Alaska when you're done with Iowa. This Europe you people keep talking about sounds awesome... : IndigoAK
    • I was born and raised in the Midwest and love it to death. I'm referring to general contentment with thei... : TaintedSyringe
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    I don't want to sound like an asshole, but honestly, go fuck yourself. I've been to Europe, Canada, an... : Shivawn
    • Oh, get over it. I love MN and have close family there. : TaintedSyringe
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    I would gather a large segment of NYC has never seen much other than New York City. : givemesnacks
    • also, NY the STATE has as many rednecks as half the southern states. : Old_Fart
  • lol, so their happiness is invalid? : thenoodleincident
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  only 10% between 1st and last place? I don't think these numbers mean anything. : Xevo
  • Well, it is a fluffy social psychologist concocted "well being" measure. I rarely take these things with... : the city
• I hope I get my new job in Hawaii! : Sailor of Fortune
• I wonder how closely those rankings track population density, none of those states are really crowded unt... : jimmy-buffett
• I think the pay cut for state workers is probably solely responsible for California's 19th. : spazzium
• A big part of it, you can be quite certain, is the relative prosperity of yourself and your friends. I... : the city
• Wyoming drops from 3rd to 17th WTF. seems just as great here as last year : MamiyaOtaru

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• *25% of their GPU. : majestik
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  I couldn't tell you, because the damn game blanks out my second monitor while I'm playing for no reason I... : Goncyn
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    I was going to ask the same thing, I don't have two monitors, but alt-tabbing to check this stuff doesn't... : Xevo
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      Dual-monitors. Sorry, didn't think about people who can't easily do this. : majestik
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        You second monitor does blank out when you play the game? It's driving me nuts. What kind of video card d... : Goncyn
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          Xfx 5770. It might have once but I think I alt tabbed out and back in to fix. Almost always works for me... : majestik
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            Hmm. I have a GTX 260. Maybe an NVIDIA driver issue? : Goncyn
            • happens to me too with a GTX 285 : TheQuad
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              I have dual monitors on my GTX 260 and it's fine and visible during BC2. : TaintedSyringe
              • I have an 8800GT and I use a little second LCD to figure out who's crying about what in TS. : dedgecko
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                I'm on Windows 7 x64, driver version 196.21. I wonder if it's something dumb like arrangement of the moni... : Goncyn
                • nope, doesn't seem to matter which monitor is primary or how they're arranged : Goncyn
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          changing to dx9 fixes this for me : EagleSweet
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            wouldn't I miss out on some effects and stuff by switching to dx9? : Goncyn
            • it still looks great : jonas54
    • Press ALT+ENTER for windowed mode : retarded talking dinosaur
  • Alt-tab out while in game and the monitor should wake up. Then maybe when you go back in it'll stay on. I... : majestik
  • There a monitoring programs that can write logs of usage. : IndigoAK
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    Run the game a window with performance monitor somewhere visible. : pyide
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      this makes sense, can BFBC2 run windowed tho? : Xevo
      • Yeah, I don't know if that affects the CPU utilization though. http://www.shackpics.com/viewer.x?file... : pyide
      • Yes, press alt-enter to go between windowed and full-screen. : Gnowknayme
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    Nvidia settings -> "single display performance mode" is probably turned on : dafugg
    • nope, says "Multiple display performance mode" : Goncyn
  • Intriguing. I'm running dualies and can clearly see the second screen in real-time while I play. :( I hav... : TaintedSyringe
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  http://www.shackpics.com/files/BFBC2perf_8jzdx7ravt1apkiil30w.jpg Stayed at about 55-60% CPU with ~50%... : Xevo
  • interesting that we have VERY similar builds... my CPU is an E8500 and I also have an XFX 5770 w/1 gig of... : Xevo
  • The memory use is hugely different, what else do you both have running at the same time? : scanline
• Anyone know an easy way to see GPU utilization on an NVIDIA card? : Goncyn
• e6750 stock 2.6, 4870 1gb Mine is similar numbers to you, Cpu about 75%+ but gpu temps 60ish, activi... : Iwannaacura
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  did majestik run off already? I wanted to see other people's results, and am surprised at how much better... : Xevo
  • Sorry went to bed :( : majestik
• http://www.shackpics.com/files/CaptureJPG_jsffhafuuaify2dk1pg8.jpg 50% usage, amd x3 720 with 4th core... : ant_hillbilly
• my 4.0Ghz wolfdale duo core. both cores at 45% util...wtf? : gyokuro
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  70-80% CPU, 50% GPU. DX9 though : retarded talking dinosaur
  • e8400 4870 1600x1200 DX9 : retarded talking dinosaur
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  I find it really odd that neither the CPU nor the GPU is running at 100% for most people. WTF is going on... : retarded talking dinosaur
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    Beta. : moe6
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      honestly i really don't believe they'd add such huge performance changes so late in an established engine... : retarded talking dinosaur
      • dev said there's quite a bit of things not in, and that the beta is a pretty old but stablest build they ... : moe6
  • they've talked about some optimizations not being present, hopefully the update that was supposed to come... : pyide
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  27% CPU peak util on a i7 920 here. No idea on GPU util since GPU-Z doesn't want to spit it out for me. ... : Alco23
  • Went up to high 40s when I joined a server with people instead of an empty server... : Alco23

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  "No prone" If I had my way, there would be no snipers at all. Doing away with prone is a good first st... : Visceral Monkey
  • This attitude makes me so sad. : Saman
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    for BC2 or all games? : jimmy_legs
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      For this one, it's fast paced and fun to get up close. Snipers who sit a billion miles away and shoot peo... : Visceral Monkey
      • heh, the day the railgun showed up was the day Quake games died for me. Nothing was the same after that. : TPSReport
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        I have fun sniping guys like you. Somehow, I just know. : Moonbase Commander
        • Boooring : Visceral Monkey
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          I sit there, watching him move into position where he can assault my buddies, who are trying to set the c... : Bamtan
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            I used to LOVE sniping in BF1942. I was a fucking monster in that game, headshots right and left. I remem... : thetangent
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              Hold down the fire button, you will stay scoped and can see where your bullet hits. Adjust from there. : Xevo
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                I started doing this recently, and it has helped. But the aforementioned mouse issues still make it frust... : thetangent
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                  Try using mouse acceleration in the game menu. I've never used it in any game before, but it sure helped ... : Crabs Jarrard
                  • I need to try re-enabling that, I turned it off after the mouse fix patch, and have noticed a bit of jump... : Xevo
              • I tried this but it didnt work : bolneze
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              Drop is something you get a feel for after a few days. It takes a while to remember all the distances and... : Bamtan
              • Dropping my G7 to minimum sensitivity is pretty helpful for tricky long range sniper shots, since the sco... : lunarbunny
            • I took my mouse sensitivity down to around a 1/3, seemed to help getting shots lined up up a lot smoother... : BubbaPut
      • I love it when guys like you rage at guys like me who do this. : Mr. Goodwrench
  • Sounds like someone is cranky that they keep getting owned by snipers. : ColoradoCNC
  • I hate "career" snipers. You know, the guys with basically 100% of their gametine spent camped out near t... : Beady
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  Wow, you got to play it tonight? That qualifies you to rate the game! : sharpie
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    No first impressions allowed. : Saman
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      you claim an entire genre is moving backwards because they removed two features that were not designed to... : sharpie
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        that were not designed to be in the game in the first place This doesn't really make any sense. There : jimmy-buffett
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          http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=22184963#itemanchor_22184963 -- you're completely wrong, the designe... : Xevo
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            They removed it to make the game faster and play better. Meaning they want it to be a run-around spamf : jimmy-buffett
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              it's funny how wrong you are. seriously, either play the game more, or just completely write it off due t... : Xevo
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                Please explain how I'm wrong. Prone isn't a massive gameplay design decision, it's a sniper nerf. It's ... : jimmy-buffett
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                  you're wrong -- if you actually read posts in this thread that weren't replies to you, you'd see a lot of... : Xevo
                  • ^^^^^ Prone didn't make much of a difference in the wide-open, simple terrain of 1942 and even 2, but in ... : TaintedSyringe
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                    I remember their specific example of snipers laying in the brush near roads, only to pop up when a tank p : jimmy-buffett
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                      This game is light years better than 1942. No one in this industry supports any game the way Valve has su... : Xevo
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                        Do you understand the difference between literal and figurative? You aren't understanding my argument. ... : jimmy-buffett
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                          lol I'm done with this argument, you're just being asinine now. "I was speaking figuratively" -- good, th... : Xevo
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                            You tried to paint me as an Archie Bunker type, when I'm not. Obviously, there have been improvements to... : jimmy-buffett
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                              BC2 has helicopters and tanks and APCs? The scenario you described can and does happen? Are you really ar... : Goncyn
                              • I could honestly give a crap about prone. I've never been a big sniper in the BF games. It's just amazi... : jimmy-buffett
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                          I do agree with you that 1942 did air combat better than any BF game since. But to be fair, it's essentia... : thetangent
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                            I transitioned from mostly fixed-wing to rotary in BF:V and BF2, yes. I could tell in BF:V that the jets : jimmy-buffett
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                              Blackhawk at the last location exactly? To farm ground kills with the door gunners? It's not a gunship. I : thetangent
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                                There is absolutely nothing in the game, not a fucking thing, that indicates "port" to me. I know what a : jimmy-buffett
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                                  This is the last I'm saying about your pointless fucking arguing. Every time someone refutes one of your ... : Xevo
                                  • This is what I'm saying about "ill-formed, vague opinions". It's not necessarily that I'm frustrated with... : thetangent
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                                  What I liked about 1942 and BF2 was the vehicle-centric gameplay, to me that's what the BF games are abou : thetangent
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                                    Oh, and you really shouldn't be surprised that NOT running a dual core system, four years or more after t... : thetangent
                                    • I have a C2D @3ghz, 4 gigs of ram, and a GTX275 and it runs like shit. The controls feel horribly laggy e... : Old_Fart
                • The best counter to a sniper is a mounted MG with shield. Not only does it kill them if you're lucky enou... : thetangent
            • 60-75 seconds? Are you kidding me? It never takes more than 15 to 20 seconds to run to where the action i : thetangent
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          ^^^^^ Plus, they did design the environments with the proper scale to create cover. Notice how many thin... : TaintedSyringe
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            it's pretty fucking obvious that it was an intentional choice and not an accidental omission, not the lea... : Xevo
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              naw, just adding a feature won't break a game...that they've spent thousands of hours testing and refinin... : EvilDolemite
              • hahah yeah basically this. it's ridiculous how many people bitch about clear design decisions before havi... : Xevo
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                lol prone is going to "break the game" prone is primarily a sniper tool, agreed? The semi-auto snip... : jimmy-buffett
                • that there are only a handful of places where he only exposes his head behind cover (by design) vs pretty... : Xevo
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                  you should totally make games. it seems easy. you just decide things, and they happen. : EvilDolemite
                  • BF 1942, BF Vietnam and BF2 all had prone. Were they broken too? Were they substantially different from... : jimmy-buffett
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              Of course it's obvious, I was just being facetious. : TaintedSyringe
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                wasn't really knocking what you said, just trying to reinforce it but it came off as hostile... it happen... : Xevo
                • STOP SCREAMING AT ME! *cries* :P : TaintedSyringe
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          Prone alone changes the entire balance and pace of a game. If you can't see or appreciate why, well then.... : dewdman
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            I've been with DICE on this one since they removed it from the original BC. Sorry, I didn't play BC1. ... : jimmy-buffett
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              I've played every Battlefield title since 1942 right up to 43 on console. BC2's gameplay is superior to a... : dewdman
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                BC2 is the product of an evolved franchise; they cut the fat and focused on what makes a Battlefield game : jimmy-buffett
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                  You mentioned a "new health system" and I asked you what you meant before, but I didn't get an answer. WH... : thetangent
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                    http://blogs.battlefield.ea.com/battlefield_bad_company/archive/2009/06/12/staying-healthy-on-the-bad-com : jimmy-buffett
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                      Jesus tapdancing christ, have you actually paid attention to the health in game? Out of Combat Healing : thetangent
                      • You don't like the game, fine. Don't play. Will do. Goodnight! : jimmy-buffett
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                      Your system doesn't meet the minimum required specs to run the game. All your comments about the game run... : Goncyn
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                        EXACTLY. http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=22186077#itemanchor_22186077 This is not a new thing. : thetangent
                        • btw, he appears to be gone guys, so we can probably at least let these angry subthreads die! but seriousl... : Xevo
    • My first impression of the game was "i will never play this game again" - now i play it all the time. : re-verse
• BF has never had lean... : cltcprd
• Fast paced, team based, properly directed action? Secondary classes that can really contribute in a meani... : thetangent
• You need to give it some more chances, it really is an amazing game. And honestly, once you get used t... : TheVietSpecial
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  BF:BC2 is the most fun I've had gaming on my PC in months and the most fun I've had with a shooter for ye... : Goncyn
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    Yeah, I'm as much of a PC fps purist as there can be, but even with all the stuff he mentioned, BC2 is ju... : TheQuad
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      Wake Island BF:1942? This doesn't touch that... I actually have a feeling this will be one of the worst m... : Xevo
      • Wake Island is, IMHO, the single greatest map for MP gaming there ever was. I admit to being biased, as B... : thetangent
      • maybe true, which is why it has me really excited to see what all the other maps are like. : TheQuad
      • After seeing these, I am really, -really- stoked for what lies ahead. http://www.giantbomb.com/battlefiel... : TaintedSyringe
    • i'm surprised by how much time i've spent on that one map...you'd think it would get boring, but i still ... : CecilPhilpot
  • yeah. best multiplayer since tf2 : feek
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  i have never understood the desire for lean in any game; it just encourages more camping that said, i ... : wendigo
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    Prone would not improve this game at all. It would just slow it down and make it more campy, it's more fu... : pyide
    • i totally agree with you, though. prone would make this game less fun. i think sniping is powerful enou... : wendigo
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      Agreed. The developers knew that prone would just lead to really sketchy camping. : TaintedSyringe
      • The game has lots of scrub, brush, grass and random low cover. The older BF games didn't have anything cl... : xsoulbrothax
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  This post gets a D-. : kelerian
  • Your mom gets an A+ : Saman
• No prone is a VERY intentional decision they made for the Frostbite engine since people are already quite... : Xevo
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  So that fuck what it has no lean. I don't think i've ever used lean ever in any game. They always default... : Dschinghis Khan
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    Agreed. : Nitrium
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      woah you're up late (or early?) : Xevo
      • Late :( insomnia + iPhone + shack = goodbye sleeping : Nitrium
  • Same, lean is useless is most games. : sanchez
  • Just because you never used it doesn't mean other people didn't. Those of us who use lean and love it for... : Mr. Goodwrench
  • You're wrong. In faster paced games like BC2, sure, it's useless. But I can't imagine playing slower sh... : valael
• hey know what has all those features, and them some? operation flashpoint: dragon rising. hey know wha... : EvilDolemite
• No prone. No commander. No planes (fuck you infantry only players, go play MW2). The first two line items... : Dr_Cube
• Lean is for fags. : Godhatesfatpeople
• console'd. I agree on all your points except lean was never in bf series(not saying it shouldn't be thou... : gyokuro
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  I feel the same, I had countless hours of fun with 2142, and while BC2 is essentially the same game but w... : Cliffzorz
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    and its the SAME walls every match. People talk about how dynamic it is and stuff but after playing this ... : gyokuro
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      The only way they'd have different stuff blowing up different ways would be if the buildings changed ever... : thetangent
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        there are certain walls that cant be destroyed. have u even played this game? doesn't sound like it. : gyokuro
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          Yes, I've spent at least 30 hours in game so far (got to level 11 a while back). I KNOW there are some wa : thetangent
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            The real question is, have YOU even played this game? It sounds to me like you played 3 rounds and rage q... : thetangent
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              i'm rank 10 : gyokuro
              • WELL I'M 20 AND I KNOW MORE : valael
• just gonna say any battlefield fan who doesnt like this game is pretty broken. the game is plain fun and ... : feek
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  btw IGI GameServers.com BFBC2 Beta R4 - Chicago #7 : J4NUS
  • i'll head in as well! : feek
  • i think its called beta r7 now : feek
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    teams are way uneven and sucks : feek
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      after you left they got all the way to the third set of points :/ : J4NUS
      • Haha me and J4NUS raped some foo's choppa style! : etherboy
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    someone want to play somewhere else? :( : J4NUS
    • still playing on #7 with Crabs : J4NUS
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    Fun times everybody : J4NUS
    • I asked whether you were still playing on TS3 a couple hours ago :(. no reply :(. figured you went off al... : moe6
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  Are beta keys still available? : ColoradoCNC
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    someone in the MD post said that Fileplanet had more keys, I don't know if that is still true though. : Xevo
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      FilePLAY : etherboy
      • Nice! Thanks! : angrytaxman
• My game keeps crashing out, wasn't doing that before. : Visceral Monkey
• This post is wrong. No other way to put it. It doesn't feel "consoley" at all, except maybe the FOV. : retarded talking dinosaur
• I haven't found one scenario playing BC2 yet where i'm like "OH HEY LEMME PEAK AROUND THIS CORNER" and in... : sreyes22
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  its been said but these choices have nothing to do with cnsoles. its just good design. lean was never a g... : theWhite
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    Prone added more than a lot to 1942 because there was limited cover and concealment like xsoulbrothax men... : pyide
    • Agreed 100%. : thetangent
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  What? Didn't they say the "no prone" thing was only on consoles but PC would have it? : Johnnsen
  • pretty sure that was 1943, and not a definite. : pyide
• lean and prone just slow the game down. : aeg1x

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  Fucking AWESOME!! You're going to love it!!! : Visceral Monkey
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    I'm starting on Sourcery now. Reading them in chronological order. : gydot
    • That isn't the first one, Colour of Magic is followed by Light Fantastic (although there are other starte... : yoshimi20
• very nice : shakybonez31
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  Your trash can has USB? Do you have an app that tells you when its full? : Wheatloaf
  • Trash can is the 1 with the yellow bag... THe green one is just some alcove to throw shit in. : gydot
• what is this png shit : aeg1x
• Nice collection! You have good taste in literature. :) : fechols
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  You should get all three Discworld games. I think the first two run in ScummVM but apparently the third ... : Mecha Tofu Pirate
  • I saw a Rincewind Settlers of Catan boardgame before. : gydot
• Fucking sweet! I wish I was starting Discworld for the first time again. : randomjgj
• is that an led display? : jono181
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  now you need the EUROPEAN EDITIONS with the AWESOME COVERS : Megara9
  • yeah, wtf is up with those covers? They're just so average. :| : thecray
• Played both of them on Playstation. Such an awesome game. : Cihte
• Dude. Sweet. : StolenNosferatu
• This post made me want to read discworld, but what the hell is with these prices: http://search.barnesand... : gigaduck
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  I have heard I should read these, but I'm not quite sure why. What are they about? Are they all interconn... : thetangent
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    It's a universe, let's take SW universe. Everyone knows SW. And then there are different characters. Say ... : gydot
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      Hmm, interesting. Is there any cross over with the various characters? Or with "universe" wide events? ... : thetangent
      • there's a lot of crossovers. Pratchett has a talent for making the universe feel both worldwide and commu... : Megara9
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    http://www.shackpics.com/files/DiscworldTitles_8zleofnybfn75tbiwjrr.png : gydot
    • nice crop job : OrkO
  • There are several main 'series' within the Discworld books that each follow a certain character and/or gr : ConfusedUs
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  how much did this set you back? : StolenNosferatu
  • After converting to USD, 320 USD. : gydot
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  Awesome except damn the US covers are terrible. : peanut-
  • yeah, such a shame :( : marmite
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    I like the old covers too. But you try and find that for me lol. : gydot
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      How about http://www.amazon.com/Josh-Kirby-Discworld-Portfolio/dp/1855858959/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&q... : scanline
      • While Josh Kirby's stuff is cool, I have to say that the newer books with Paul Kidby's art are absolutely... : peanut-
  • Yeah they really are, so lame. Josh Kirby and now Paul Kidby's art is so much better. : node
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  I urge you to read them in order of publication. Pratchett gets much better at writing as he goes along, ... : famine101
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    That's what I meant by chronological. I'm a real completionist so I'll definitely begin from book one. :D : gydot
    • Completely missed your post =P Anyway, good deal! You're in for a real treat. : famine101
  • I dunno. They get much more CLEVER as they go along, though the earlier ones were sometimes burst out lou... : node
• I read 3 or 4 of those and was like OK, I get it. Next. : mrwolf710