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  1 - The Legend of Zelda 2 - Super Mario Bros. 3 - Tetris 4 - Grand Theft Auto III 5 - Half-Life 2 6 ... : Masem
  • I agree with the majority of those. : atom519
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    cod4 and oblivion, way too high up there i also have issue with them including various GTAs. just one... : EvilDolemite
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      Agreed. Also too many series starters featuring early. But other unique titles scoring lower. OK, ICO is ... : =]Milo[=
      • vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv : freekazoidd
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    Earthbound isn't on that list, ergo, the list is BALLS. : Rehevkor
    • agreed. : akirabob
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    No Thief, no System Shock. Lame. : Rag and Bone Man
    • You beat me to it. :( : Haku-Jin
    • indeed, the list is therefore rendered invalid. : DapperDan
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      Or XCOM. : bolneze
      • This. Any "top x" game list without X-Com is just wrong. : hussdelrio
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      Bioshock being on that list over SS2 is such a goddamn travesty that all other opinions are immediately i... : MercFox1
      • Exactly. : Mad Brahmin Disease
      • System Shock 2 is so much better than Bioshock. So much better. : h0cake
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      Putting BG2 lower than KotOR, Shadow of the Colossus lower than ICO, and Fallout 3 lower than Oblivion se... : Kentor
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        The only one of those three you mentioned that I actually agree with is SotC vs. ICO. : one random winner
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          In what way? In terms of overall quality and fun, I'd say that SotC should be ahead of ICO, but in terms ... : Kentor
          • Sorry, I read your post backwards (by lower, I was thinking a lower number, and therefor actually further... : one random winner
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        BG2 lower than KotOR is questionable, and I haven't played the Team ICO games, but Oblivion over Fallout ... : ArcKnight
        • My thought is this: BG2 is flat out better than KotOR in both significance as a game and as a fun game... : Kentor
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      no Duke3d.exe either :| its not a bad list though, I've seen far worse : RobFlinn
      • yeah, what the hell? : Goblin au
  • Dr. Mario but no Thief:TDP or System Shock 1/2? Three GTA games? This list is faulty. : Haku-Jin
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    no star control II, no master of orion, no ultima game : retardhumper
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      no XCOM : retardhumper
      • That's a rather horrible oversight there. : Kentor
      • inconceivable!!! : m0rfus
  • I've grown numb to lists at this point. I mean, who the fuck cares? : walker270
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    Portal is 100? That's far too low. And why is Ms. Pacman so high, while Pacman is 52? Aren't they virtu... : Clasifyd
    • ms. pacman is a much better game than pac-man : EvilDolemite
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      I believe that Pac-Man was always the same maze, with the ghosts getting faster / better each level. Ms.... : TroZ
      • the ghosts had a random element too. : katchow
    • Ms. Pacman was the best arcade game of all time. It improved Pacman to the point where they stopped usin... : bashildy@speakeasy.net
    • Ms pac-man has a bow on her head. : FrayLo
    • I'm going to have to go back and check this shit out... : Clasifyd
  • I have no problem with there top 25. Good list. : ant_hillbilly
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    The list of games is fairly accurate, definitely a lot of top quality pieces there, but as with all lists... : Omning
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      i generally have an issue with 1-2 year old games being touted as top 100. they may well end up standing... : EvilDolemite
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        I won't remember mass effect in 10 years. Fuck, I barely remember a lot of what happened after two years... : walker270
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          i think a decade is a good aging period for games. i still remember most of diablo II and even play it s... : EvilDolemite
          • Starcraft is another. I still remember Kerrigan being ordered into that hive. : walker270
          • I fucking loved Nox. Just sayin' : aldraek
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          I bet if Mass Effect came out when you were 10-16 or so you'd remember it 10 years from now. : Vincent Grayson
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            I doubt it. Baldur's Gate, Fallout, and Planescape Torment were radically different and offered a ve... : walker270
            • That's not my point. My point is that the games that stick with us, more often than not, seem to be the o... : Vincent Grayson
          • I'm 16, and no I can assure you I will not remember Mass Effect with any real clarity in 10 years time. I... : Wisp!
        • This could also be your vested interest in the game itself. I remember being younger and having the time ... : ieGod
      • Which is why everyone does new top 100 lists every couple of years, or yearly even for some publications ... : Omning
    • accurate based on... I'm not sure how one could claim a list based on subjective opinion to be accurat... : zerog83
  • Portal should be on there twice.... : voodooraze
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    Zelda 1 and 3 need to be switched. : Mad Brahmin Disease
    • This^^^ : Iwannaacura
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    Since the list is clearly trumped by nostalgia and/or importance, SMB should definitely be above Zelda in... : Zek
    • I hate these lists because Mario and Zelda can never be beaten because no matter how good a game might be... : byorn
  • once you get below 25, i think it becomes much more subjective to the individual. IE; i would have placed... : Demius
  • First of all I think these lists should be broken into genres with no comparisons being made inbetween. G... : Zek
  • I would think the overwhelming majority of people would put SOTC higher than Ico (because it was a much b... : veras
  • a decent mega-list, but there are a few glaring errors. some are clearly boosted by nostalgia alone. : Downforce
  • Combat. : lowpoly
  • Fallout 2 above 3 easily. But only FO3 shows up and yet there are like 3 GTAs on there. : zakazi
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    No Civ4? List is bunk. : Clay
    • I think Civilization is the catch-all. : Deathlove
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    Super Mario 64 is #13, but Super Mario World is #47? : silent prophet
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      There's always something to be said about the impact of a particular game. Super Mario 64 completely d... : walker270
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        It's all in how you approach the list-making. If you are ranking a game based on it's impact on the vide... : riptyde
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          ^^^^ that's exactly how I would order them as well. : silent prophet
          • Yup, me too. : h0cake
    • Mario 64 created a new 3D platformer genre whereas SMW was more of the same. : c_man_tmt
  • no Quake1? This list is invalid. : thekidd
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    i really don't agree with how classic games after put above everything else. innovative does not mean bet... : JINKY
    • after = are : JINKY
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    No TIE Fighter? This list fails HARD. : thetangent
    • o_O Wow, I didn't notice that was missing, but yeah. : Kentor
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      tie fighter wasn't that great, but no system shock 2 and no planescape torment are pretty notable omissio... : JINKY
      • those two games would be in my top 5 for sure : JINKY
      • tie fighter wasn't that great...tie fighter...wasn't that great...? : EvilDolemite
      • What did you just say about TIE Fighter? >:( Also, I agree Torment NEEDS to be on this list - very near t : thetangent
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    cod4 has no right to be anywhere near those other games in the top 20 : gmd
    • seriously, switch COD4 should take 100 COUNTER_STRIKE took over the game WORLD, top 5 for sure : MaverickOrig
  • I'm sorry, I enjoyed the pokemon games - but Freespace 2 was WAY better than them...in every way : flagg209
  • where the fuck is burgertime? : kainen1
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    No System Shock 2, no Alients vs Predator 2 (effing scary), no No One Lives Forever, multiple entries for... : GoodBoy
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      AvP2 has no business in those lists. : Mad Brahmin Disease
      • It has had good replay value for me, so I disagree. : GoodBoy
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    I'm not sure why Halo is on that list, what did it innovate or do different than the million shooters bef... : stonedonkey
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      we've gone over this a hundred times, but i'll repeate: excellent vehicle implementation great co-op ... : EvilDolemite
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        What about the repeatitive level design? : thecatinthehat
        • some of it sucked : EvilDolemite
      • Dual-weapons weren't until Halo 2, I thought? : Wisp!
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      sidearm grenades, two weapon slots, recharging shields, driving/vehicles as a fairly major part of a shoo... : mikecyb
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        Here's a combination of two of my posts about Halo: And was a revolution in AI, team dynamics, coop game... : LoioshDwaggie
        • Quite frankly, the AI and sound design in the Halo engine are still unmatched. : LoioshDwaggie
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          yeah the AI int he Halo series is really good, but often understated. there's a lot of great stuff in th... : mikecyb
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            There's a hilarious slide about that from the first AI conference presentation Bungie gave. During playte... : LoioshDwaggie
            • stuff like that always makes me sad. where some developer or developers added something really awesome t... : mikecyb
      • ^^^ this, HALO (one) deserves top 25, but not above Counter-strike : MaverickOrig
      • Sidearm grenades? First? Someone never played Team Fortress or TFC. Outside of that I agree with your ... : h0cake
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      It made FPSs popular on consoles. : freakynipples69
      • Yes, more so then Goldeneye. : freakynipples69
    • It's a good game. That's what the list is. It isn't "most innovative" or "most different" games. : OmegaRed59
    • It introduced a number of mechanics that were not really present in FPS games before, and are now taken f... : Begawkiness
    • Sticky Grenades. : GoodBoy
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    It is actually a rather decent list, but there are some glaring missing games such as Thief, Quake, Syste : TroZ
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      and don't forget Star Control 2 and Burgertime. : kainen1
      • God I miss Star Control. :( : silent prophet
    • Freespace 2 deserves to be on that list before TIE Fighter IMO : MercFox1
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    GTAIII and HL2 is kind of meh. I mean they're great games, but I didn't expect either to be up that close... : PointlesS76
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      what, GTA3? that game was one of a kind when it came out. it spawned an entirely new kind of game. it'... : mikecyb
      • Year GTA 3 deserves its place. It made the PS2 into the behemoth it was. : ihya
      • Absolutely. The first time it started raining in the game while I was just driving around exploring the c... : silent prophet
      • Yeah GTA3 is still one of my favorite games despite all the improvements the others have made. I had bee... : Begawkiness
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      HL2 is an enormous accomplishment, both in terms of technology and single-player FPS gameplay. you really... : dirge23
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        True, but I thought the game had a ton of pacing issues. There's a lot of levels that I just plain don't ... : PointlesS76
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          I quit after driving a boat around for 13 hours. I purchased purely for multiplayer. Single player is ver... : socksta
          • Wow. : Wisp!
          • posting : freekazoidd
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    counter strike is 96? laughable. easily in the top 20 if not the top 10. : edgewise
    • Galaga at 23? : edgewise
    • no accounting for taste. kidding! :D : cdbeckman
    • I have to agree with this, it should be ranked much much higher. : Begawkiness
    • which patch version? : Grumbeld
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    also super metroid should be #1 : gmd
    • so true : yAak
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    No quakes? Something just doesn't seem right about that. : thejay247
    • wow : c0bra
    • Yeah . . . : OmegaRed59
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      That list was written by a console n00b, clearly. : code-e255
      • console'd? : aldraek
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        half life 2 is in the top 10 : stgdz
        • HL2 came out on xbox1, 360 and ps3. : c0bra
  • NO : Frank_Mackey
  • As far as top100 lists go, this is pretty good. some things I disagree with, sure, but this is as close ... : jimmy_legs
  • Ctrl-F shows no instances of Torment on this page. I'm confused. : drhazard
  • I agree with every single game's exact position on this list. : slickdoody
  • CS #96 and HL2 #5?! Whatever... HL2 is very good, but it's nowhere near top 10 imho. : code-e255
  • I don't get this list. Are they ranking these games by how good they were at the time of their original ... : Frank_Mackey
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    What a FAGGOT list for not having System Shock, XCOM or Alpha Centauri How list bad games, plz to be ... : Kerranger
    • IA : tomservo
  • doesn't seem all that bad for a top 100 list, super metroid and tetris are too low though : qwpeoriu
  • - Mechwarrior 2 - Secret of Mana : yAak
  • No Freespace 2? Massive failure. : MercFox1
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    M.U.L.E.? Syndicate? TIE Fucking FIGHTER? Wing Commander? Bird vs Johnson? Archon? Warlords? : watcherxp
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      god i love M.U.L.E. Tie Fighter. Archon Warlords (you make me cry) : MaverickOrig
      • Marry me? : watcherxp
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    Uh, the only Civilization game is the first one, and it's #36? What garbage. Civ4 is easily one of the ... : Vantage
    • This is true. : thetangent
    • Very true. : Wisp!
    • Word : Mr. Goodwrench
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    Legend of Zelda is totally not fun. I mean that in one of those "wow, that game has aged fucking terribly... : roushimsx
    • I completely agree about Zelda. And IMO 2X was the best THPS, but it didn't have as huge of a reach as th... : qwpeoriu
    • Link to the Past would be a much better choice than Legend of Zelda. : h0cake
  • (1) Chrono Trigger should be about 16 spots higher. (2) How in the fuck can Portal possibly be that far ... : snot3353
  • i will do a side by side comparison of this thread tonight. fill it up gents. : m0rfus
  • No DS games? The DS has to be one of the best video game systems of all time. : aethyr
  • Bioshock better than Half-life? Oblivion better than Deus Ex? These guys are on crack. : steelsamurai
  • I am upset that this Doom is not numbers 1 through 100. : jet-poop
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    Every Japanese developed game on there is listed way too high. : socksta
    • ooops : freekazoidd
  • No Tie Fighter and no Bionic Commando: the list is void. : Totenjaeger
  • No Battletoads... they can go die. : Grumbeld
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    No Duke 3D? /dumbed down for consoles : GeorgeB3DR
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      No quake(s). Certainly Quake 3 has to be there. : GeorgeB3DR
      • I'd much rather have Quake 1. It's a much more important game for so many reasons. : h0cake
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    3 GTA's on this list? While all great, you can't eat 3 spots. This list fucking fails at being a credib... : GeorgeB3DR
    • Well with that mentality, why not just credit one game in each major genre? I mean, why bother recognizin... : roushimsx
    • They all deserve it, the best atmosphere period in any third person games this decade. : Amnesty_intl2
  • Okami doesn't belong on that list : Magus
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    Half Life 2 basically ruins the list and doesn't even deserve a spot there, one of the most disappointing... : Amnesty_intl2
    • I agree with everything you just posted : Mr. Goodwrench
  • This list fucking fails : Mr. Goodwrench
  • How could Quake not be on that list? That doesn't even make any sense. I see a good 7 or 8 games on that ... : Delithio
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  like any of these Top n Games of ALL TIME lists, this one is filled with wrong choices. GTA: San Andreas : deject
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    I'm with you on this. I like Screw Attack's method of having only one game per franchise. : fadetofunk
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      Well, I don't mind like 2 or 3 of them, but they can't be so awesome that there is enough room for 7 Zeld... : deject
      • Only all the Zeldas are amazing... : Cihte
  • Yeah, I think it's a little too console focused. No Ultima VII ? No Quake or Counter Strike in the top 10... : qwpeoriu
• Tribes? stupid list . . . : ezanga
• ya thats pretty accurate : Frush81
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  Top games? wtf? Seriously, what does that even mean? Does that mean the "best" games? Most "influen... : ezanga
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    top whatever lists are just journalistic trollbait : dirge23
    • Don't forget diggbait. : Deathlove
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  WHERE IS DUKE3D.EXE ON THIS LIST?! FAIL. : mn3m0n1c
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    Yo Zelda, I'm real happy for you and imma let you finish.... : silentbobuk
    • Beyonce had the best adventure game of all time? OF ALL TIME? : snot3353
  • about 10 spots below blood.exe and caribbean.exe ! : roushimsx
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  Why is everyone replying to this? Typical incompetent gaming publication listing their favorite strongly ... : Link.
  • because it's discussion. we all understand the list is subjective. we're talking about games. no one i... : EvilDolemite
  • We like talking about games? : silent prophet
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    So in 100 years our descendants will know which classics they should be playing. : aldraek
    • so in 100 years 12 months our descendants newbile shackers will know which classics they should be have p : MaverickOrig
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      In 100 years that website won't exist. So who gives a fuck. Also most of these games won't be playable. S... : avatar_58
      • won't be playable? what? i would think that they'd be emulated pretty goddamn easily on any computer : JINKY
      • whatever, im having my brain uploaded into a super duper A.I. thingie- I shall index this post and have a... : PlanetPerfecto
  • dude we're talking about games in latest chatty. Count your blessings. : steelsamurai
• heyyy, where's duke !!! : hanged_man
• resident evil 4 and resident evil 2 need to be switched : peat
• Thanks Masem for posting them in reply. Again this is just another shitty top X list that does nothing b... : dedgecko
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  how the FUCK is half life 2 ranked above Half Life 1? How is Quake not anywhere on that list? Go fuck you... : Jackass1233
  • klingon bastards raped my gaming memories : FrayLo
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  This should really be called "100 greatest games of their time" : Get_It_Together
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    so true, there's not a single adventure game on that list, where's Leisure Suit Larry or Monkey Island or... : hanged_man
    • aw man, "Full Throttle" was a great story, where's Interstate '76 ? : MaverickOrig
• Civilization 4 not being in the top 10 makes this whole thing worthless. Civ4 is better than Civ1 in ever... : OverloadUT
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  Super Metroid at #21 is my biggest gripe. Should be top 5 : riptyde
  • The original Metroid should be on there but Super Metroid is still playable. It still has great music, pu... : h0cake
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  sub-thread: your (as a shacker) top 3 games OF ALL TIME(meaning most influential to you as a gamer that p... : m0rfus
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    hmm, top 3? daggerfall, duke nukem 3d, zelda II : EvilDolemite
    • or TIE Fighter, Super Mario Bros., Half-Life. jeez. this is hard. : EvilDolemite
  • Star Control II : QUAKE1 : FFVII : m0rfus
  • TES: Morrowind, Half-Life, Diablo : tashtego
  • Quake1, Half Life, Super Mario RPG : thekidd
  • Half-Life C&C: Red Alert Dungeon Siege (my intro to Action RPGs) : deject
  • WoW, Zelda: OoT, FFX/XI : royalally
  • TIE Fighter, Quake 1, Super Metroid : riptyde
  • Half-Life, Mario Bros, WoW : mrvandelay
  • Star Control II, Dune II, Diablo II. : eugthinks
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    Counter-Strike, Smash Brothers Melee, Goldeneye Those three each had the biggest impact on me as a gam... : Begawkiness
    • i didnt exactly want to ask everyone to list 10, so top 3 that influenced you the most it was : m0rfus
  • the bard's tale, ultima online, quake 3 : ]pm[chem
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    Deus Ex, Diablo, Everquest or FFXI : Modica Sol Solis
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      I love that I'm not the only person that fucking LOVED FFXI. Kudos. Doesn't Demon's Souls somehow remind ... : royalally
      • I don't have it yet :( But I will soon. I needs it. : Modica Sol Solis
      • FFXI is good, but so flawed it cannot be considered great. The painful exercise of getting a party, the i... : Wisp!
  • Top 3 Most influential would probably be Super Mario Bros., Final Fantasy 2/IV, and Starcraft. Top 3 F... : one random winner
  • Well, the 3 games that really got me hooked on gaming when I was a kid would have to be TIE-Fighter, Simc... : thetangent
  • Herzog Zwei, Master of Magic and Final Fantasy Tactics : geedeck
  • Quake 2, Final Fantasy 7, Warcraft 3 : edge198
  • Most influential: Combat for Atari 2600 (got me into gaming), Super Mario Bros. (got me into gaming agai... : mrwolf710
  • TIE Fighter, Star Crusader, Tribes : sanchez
  • Super Mario Bros Deluxe Half-Life 2 KOTOR : Thomas Hace
  • Strider - first game I owned Super Metroid Tie Fighter : Head Rush
  • FF7, Half-life, Super Mario World. : doctorbfunk
  • Counterstrike, modern warfare 1, and half life. These games pretty much kept me gaming in their genera... : maulla
  • deus ex fallout quake 2 : judge
  • Ultima V, Alpha Centauri, Half-Life : dirge23
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    Deus Ex, Planescape Torment, System Shock 2 : Link.
    • My thoughts exactly. : Beaginator
  • Tribes, Rainbow Six: Rogue Spear and Final Fantasy. : Haku-Jin
  • Doom, Deus Ex, GTA3 : tomservo
  • Quake WoW Diablo 2 : Entity
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    Doom2, Diablo2, CounterStrike (damn this is hard) : MaverickOrig
    • Way over 1000 hours on CS, pretty close for Diablo2, and atleast 200 hours on Doom2 : MaverickOrig
  • FFVII, Final Fantasy Tactics, WoW : kelzmelzer
  • SubSpace, Final Fantasy III (VI in Japan), Final Fantasy VII : H@rvester
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    Legend of Zelda, Star Control 2, Final Fantasy IV : kainen1
    • Now we know where part of your username comes from ;) : H@rvester
  • the secret of monkey island painkiller star control 2/tie fighter - draw : Psigun
  • Mutant Hockey, Halo, TF2 : SlingBlaze
  • WoW, Heroes of Might and Magic II, Starcraft : mojorisen1117
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    XCOM, Star Control II, Ultima : retardhumper
    • ^^^ this! : sergeon
  • Quake 3, Starcraft, WoW : InfoBiter
  • LTTP, Half-life 2, Space Quest : sludge vohaul
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    Top 3 most influential? Probably Unreal Tournament, Diablo 2: LoD, and Age of Mythology. : bipolar
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      ut??? : Frush81
      • It was my first online fps experience, which is and was hugely influential on me. I compare every online... : bipolar
  • Most influential and top 3 of all time would be totally different for me. I'll go with influential though... : Vincent Grayson
  • Thief, Tribes, Quake, Diablo - can't possibly cut down to 3. : malevolence
  • if you mean, like, as a kid, probably Super Metroid, Quake 2, and Sonic 3 & Knuckles These days: Zeld... : DeBurgo
  • Full Throttle, Diablo, Goldeneye : Dimmona
  • That is tough. Doom for sure. but then what? I mean I've been playing video games since the 2600... : TroZ
  • Top 3 as a young gamer: Super Metroid, Mechwarrior 2, Zelda: A Link to the Past... I like too many game... : yAak
  • I'd go with Starcraft, Link to the Past and Super Mario World. : Yanks
  • Half-Life, Starcraft, Fallout. : The Grolar Bear
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    X-Com: UFO Defense, Deus Ex, Full Throttle : Bean
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      Honorable Mentions: Civilization II / IV, Fallout 1 / 2 / 3, Simcity 2000, System Shock 2 : Bean
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        SIMCITY 2K MY FRIENDS, fuck yes. : ateam311
        • SC2k was hax. Such a good game. : MercFox1
        • http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=21452056#itemanchor_21452056 : thetangent
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      It blows my mind that with the number of times it's been tried, they still haven't been able to make a re... : thetangent
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        Seriously. Silent Storm got the combat right but thats only half of it. : bolneze
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          SS is awesome, you can beat the game without using the mechs. The Sentinels expansion is even better. : sanchez
          • Need a modern/near-future conversion... : bolneze
  • my head would explode trying to figure that out. : RogerDandy
  • JK: DF 2, Starcraft, Quake 2 : even4
  • Sam and Max CD talki, NOLF2, Gears 2. : =]Milo[=
  • Quake1/World, Myth: The Fallen Lords, and hmm, something console-y, I guess Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2 : woddemandred
  • Tribes, Freespace 2, Starcraft : MercFox1
  • Tribes, Tribes, Tribes : c0bra
  • id Software, Valve and Blizzard EOsT EOsubT : socksta
  • DOOM and X-COM. I can't think of a third. : SatansFist
  • Quake 1, Total Annihilation, Diablo 2. : stump
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    Doom 2 and Civilization 2 are standouts for me, then after much deliberating Fallout 3 tops off the list. : thecray
    • TIE Fighter and UFO: Enemy Unknown (XCOM) get honourable mentions. : thecray
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    SMB 3 Final Fantasy 4 Battletoads : Grumbeld
    • I take that back: Battletoads, Final Fantasy 4, Myth: TFL (if we're talking about influential) : Grumbeld
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    Civilization series. Baldur's Gate series. Dune 2. : Vantage
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      So have you played Dragon Age yet? I think you'd like it, if you liked the BG series and KOTOR : Magus
      • Oh, I know I would love it. However, I also know that it would destroy my marks, and thus my life. So, ... : Vantage
  • Chrono Trigger, XCOM, ? HL, WoW, MGS1, BG2? I cant choose! : bolneze
  • 1) Baldur's Gate 2, 2) Planescape: Torment 3) I can't fucking decide. : valael
  • Ocarina of Time, Quake 1, HL : alnya
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    Civilization, Dungeon Master, Doom : guigr
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      wow dungeon master, do you still know the seqeunce to cast a fireball? : MaverickOrig
      • yes i do and i still play Dungeon Master II on DOSbox : m0rfus
  • C&C, Half-LIfe, FFIII : IHATEDUST
  • Team Fortress, Starcraft and Half-life. : spazzium
  • Marathon, Q1, and FF3. Marathon got me into gaming on a LAN, FF3 was my first awesome SP experience, and... : Ovate
  • X-Com UFO Defense, Deus Ex, and System Shock 2. : hussdelrio
  • Star Control II Super Metroid Planescape: Torment If you haven't played these three games, I don't w... : DianeOfTheMoon
  • Half-Life 2, Starcraft, Bionic Commando. Half-Life 2 because it improved upon everything Half-Life did... : Magus
  • System Shock 2 Planescape Torment Quake : NastyJack
  • 1. EverQuest 2. Quake1 3. SimCity2000 : skizl
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    DeusEx Diablo I & II Half-Life series hon. mentions to Tribes and Baldur's Gate series : tunis5000
    • oh crap how did I forget about the FALLOUT series! Ack, I can't pick 3! : tunis5000
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    I just want to say that almost everyone in this sub-thread has excellent taste. <3 Shack. : Delithio
    • seriously. though its a pitty, i think most have Tie fighter in the 5-10 range : MaverickOrig
  • chrono trigger, alpha centauri, red alert : Foxhawk
  • X-Com, Romance of the Three Kingdoms 3, Civilization 4 It kills me to leave some games off this list... : alexthegreat2
  • Command and Conquer, Falcon 3.0, Quake fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu this is hard. : h0cake
• apparently i'm the only one who liked the devil may cry series enough to think that at least one of them ... : akirabob
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  No Duke, No Quake, No Max Payne and No Yoshis Island. Decent list, but it certainly misses some deserving... : SnakeIRye
  • IIRC Yoshi's Island is in the top 200 in the magazine : K0LM
  • Yeah I'd agree with that. Some good choices but too many really glaring omissions. : mactu
• Sid Meiers: Pirates! needs to be there somewhere. : mnsnota

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  I hope they're confident. Their cheating policy is really harsh. I dunno how VAC works, but it would real... : Cihte
  • Yeah, this is some really slippery shit if you ask me. : Entity
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    I am sure getting falsely banned is incredibly unlikely. You have to be modifying core game files (e.g.:... : deject
    • I hope that's really the case. : slickdoody
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      Makes you wonder if everyone who played around with the MW2 console enabler will be banned now. That woul... : Beady
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        Yeah I have a sneaking suspicion that people using that and the dedicated server mod stuff will get banne... : deject
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          I don't think so. IW+Activision might "want" to ban people for screwing around with their game, but I don... : jermm
          • So, bans for this didn't happen? Never played in a public game like this. : =]Milo[=
    • It better be impossible, if not, you're going to have to sue them, I guess? That's pretty good grounds f... : Freon
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    VAC has worked this way for years. : itsjames
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      If someone were cheating in MW2 and were banned, would they then be banned from playing any game on their... : slickdoody
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        I think so yes : veras
        • Awesome haha : walker270
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        It does say MW2 games, rather than all VAC enabled titles (and a vac ban in the source engine dosent ban ... : Beady
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          read the bottom of the FAQ. : dignan
          • Thats pretty vague, and the wording hasnt been changed since it was uploaded iirc. There are no non-vac s... : Beady
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          so the ban is based on the games engine? That's kinda weird. : slickdoody
          • Dont know for sure, and valve never discuss it, but this is how it worked in the past. : Beady
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        yuppers. once a cheater always a cheater : dignan
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          that's a pretty bullshit statement. I fucked around with that OGC wallhack/aimbot for a month or so back... : old and busted vs the new hotness
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            I'm sure you have a better solution? Oh I know, we can have the game pop up a message box whenever a c... : Zakko
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              Maybe a year long ban? That'd be significant enough I'd say. : crummynz
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                Maybe don't cheat : veras
                • Seems reasonable. : Zakko
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                No mercy with cheaters, IMO. : Nitrium
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                  If they are actually hacking the game then it's a crime and they should really be reported to the fbi : alexthegreat2
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                    yes lets report those people that hacked open the dev console's for MW2. : Jikim
                    • ^/sarcasm : Jikim
            • lol a pop up : dignan
            • Maybe a 3rd option of "I was cheating because everybody else was." That way the person who gets caught ... : bashildy@speakeasy.net
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            As opposed to cheating NOT to fuck with people? Also, fuck anyone that cheats in online games, regardles... : atom519
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              I cheated in CS beta because some weird issue with my processor stepping (or whatever) caused me to run a... : c0bra
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                in cs, my friend stuck a piece of gum in the middle of the screen to serve as crosshairs for the unzoomed... : spectr3
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                  I seem to recall sTeve doing something similar. : c0bra
                  • drawing a dot on your screen is a far cry from the OP of replacing exe and dll files : dignan
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                  Apparently people did that in TF2 for the sniper rifle as well. At least before they just put in the cros... : terath
                  • Yea I did that too. : c0bra
                • I had a piece of tape. : ThomW
          • Honestly, I don't care if you only do it once to "fuck with people," if you do it you should get banned. : deject
          • lol , its just a saying... Valve seems to think that though for banning an entire account instead of per... : dignan
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            Just cheated to fuck with people anyway And that's exactly why your ass would be handed to you by Val... : ieGod
            • ieGod, I used that laser hack in CS5.2 where it makes anyone with an awp have a laser come out so you can... : ateam311
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            That's not what dignan means - it's the same as the saying "You can build a thousand bridges, but suck on... : ArcKnight
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              im not sure if you're agreeing with me or calling me a cocksucker! i guess both are ok. :) : dignan
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                Haha, I was agreeing with you, but not as a literal interpretation. : ArcKnight
                • yea, it was quite a broad stroke. : dignan
          • 0wned!!! : Moonbase Commander
          • Fuck us? Fuck you! : brickmatt
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          Bullshit. I can't even count how many crazy cheats and hacks I used back when Diablo was out, but I haven... : Vincent Grayson
          • Yeah same, it made the game more fun for most people, and about 80-90% of the player base was doing it. I... : Toth21
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          Back in BF1942 I used a memory hack to remove the fog of war. I did so purely because the fog was fugly a... : Toth21
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            never used a game genie or the konami code? if you are willing to cheat once you are More willing / like... : dignan
            • btw: the game genie / konami code question is joke... : dignan
            • i would point out there's a difference between cheating in a single player game and cheating in a multipl... : Herman Toothrot
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              Hahaha, what? Cheating in single player and MP games are two different things. : ArcKnight
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                i quickly followed up about the game genie & konami. i was being 100% sarcastic. yes SP cheating is tot... : dignan
                • Yeah, I saw that. We all posted at the same time. : ArcKnight
    • I'm not too opposed to the current policy. But it would be nice if hacked accounts that recieved a VAC ba... : dmason
    • No, you get banned from that 'engine' of games. I.e. Cheat at CS and get banned from HLDM/CS/anything wi... : b00tch
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    On the bright side, I've never heard of an unjustified VAC ban. (Well I haven't heard of justified VAC ba... : dfay
    • I felt the same way until it happened to me. :( : b00tch
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  Isnt that an old FAQ list of questions. Why is this new? : posito
  • It's specifically for MW2 bans. The FAQ may not be, but the article is. : dedgecko
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  I know some people in TF2 have mods that allow them to play pre-recorded sounds through their 'mic'. Doe... : Rag and Bone Man
  • No, I think there is even a convar to disallow it, although I could be mistaken. : terath
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  This is pretty awesome because I could be playing MW2, report some guy I don't like, then chances are he ... : Link.
  • How do you report someone in MW2 on PC? : crummynz
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    you can't report someone to get a VAC ban. They have to have modified game files (.dlls / .exes - not .c... : dedgecko
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      Thanks for the clairification. The problem is let's say there's a wallhacking loser in my game. I have no... : Link.
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        The soultuion has been the same for decades. Play with your friends. Unfortunate, but pretty much a sure... : dmason
        • Pretty sure I over estimated how long I've been playing games online. : dmason
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          That's nice. Unlike every other popular online FPS, if I play on a dedicated server, either with my frien... : Link.
          • Another case for dedicated servers. : dmason
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      VAC works brilliantly in that way. All the cheaters think they're getting away with it, more people down... : Edges
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        That's not brilliant for actual enforcement. It's brilliant for quota-filling and press releases. If ther... : Felraiser
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          'Cheating' will always be defined by the developer. I don't think that's a limitation of VAC. : midgetherder
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            I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm saying that the lack of VAC transparency doesn't help anyone but Valve... : Felraiser
            • I don't know if I agree that the only beneficiary is Valve's PR department, it's just the by product of t... : midgetherder
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              how does it help valve's PR department? : crummynz
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                Bigger waves of bans look more impressive and generate more attention. : Felraiser
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                  Yeah but surely they can just say we banned x people in the last year. Is that so different to we just ba... : crummynz
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                    Heck, I've never ever heard Valve say anything about bans in the first place, let alone brag about them. : crummynz
                    • It doesn't matter because if the general experience in games using VAC was that they were ruined by explo... : midgetherder
  • Has nothing to do with someone reporting someone. : Phreakin
• So I take it you got banned? : GoodBoy
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  So will using the console hack to get a normal FOV for single player also ban you from online play? : pyide
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    http://www.modernwarfail2.com/2009/11/14/mw2-unleashed-the-dev-console-unlocker-for-pc/ Usage: â€â : crummynz
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      Yeah. I'd steer clear of that. Anything that requires you to run an exe file and click a button that says... : Mmmmmoo
      • yeah, the weird thing is you can change the FOV through command line but it gets reset every time you sta... : stgdz
• This is the obvious solution to cheats: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2001/06/18/ : c0bra
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  How about the use of a "trainer" on a game like Titan Quest? : uglysad
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    VAC only comes into play in multiplayer games. Servers are "VAC secure". Thus an sp trainer is irrelevant... : yacoub35
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      plus most non-steam games don't use VAC, MW2 is one of the exceptions : crummynz
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        mw2 is a steam game. There is no way to play without activating on steam. : DogDharma
        • Right. I meant non-Valve games. : crummynz
• excellent. let the bans... begin. /shang tsung the innocence lost will bring many tears to fuel my d... : Downforce

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  Hey if I move up to Oregon can I move in with you : tomservo
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    not until we buy a house! which will hopefully be very soon :( : Degenerate
    • Okay make me a nest in your guest room :D : tomservo
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      How's the search going? Have you narrowed down to a particular area? : ChibiJosh
      • we've mainly been focusing in the SW but have actually in an offer on a short sale that was the only hous... : Degenerate
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  put me down as a maybe! : mikecyb
  • NO MAYBES! BE THERE! : Degenerate
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  oh goddamn search indexing I searched your post history and didn't see a post on this. Cocks on the mi... : MisterPhoton
  • I couldnt remember if shacktags worked worked there or not. :( : Degenerate
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  degenerate serious question where's my abyss : Deathlove
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    the who and the what now Deathlove? : Degenerate
    • i will destroy you : Deathlove
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  degenerate...I just applied for a job at the portland art museum :O : sparkly
  • what job? maybe I'm qualified and should apply for it to! : Degenerate
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    Oh so you are making the move? I plan on moving there within the next couple of months and joining the h... : d3tached
    • I wont move unless I have a job lined up....but I'd love to : sparkly
• Let me know when you guys buy my plane ticket. : c0bra
• Degen, I want to go!!! : CrustaR
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  thanks for the plane ticket degen. can't wait to go! : mwasher
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    you and c0bra should ride together : Degenerate
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      we don't liven close together or even on the way, really :( : c0bra
      • just adds another 250 miles to the already 2300 mile trip!! : mwasher
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        you guys need to start thinking outside of the box! : Degenerate
        • portals? : c0bra
  • Degen got one for me as well. Maybe we can carpool to the airport! : CrustaR
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  I will have a bud light. K thx. : jedi_27
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    sorry, they don't serve bullshit. : Degenerate
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      That's a lie- New Belgium is right there on the beer list. : tashtego
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        New Belgium actually has some interesting and decent beers. Most of their special or seasonal brews that ... : Degenerate
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          I was bound and determined to find one bullshit name in that list and that's the best I could do Degenera... : tashtego
          • hrmm, well if I had to pick the most bullshit brewery listed there I would probably go with either New Be... : Degenerate
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  I looked at the beer list and see that rock bottom is on it, they usually have a pretty solid line up. : gmd
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    I always thought that since Rock Bottom was a chain they all served the same thing but have learned that ... : Degenerate
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      I once had a chocolate oatmeal stout, my god it was glorious : gmd
      • I bet you find something you like better soon : Degenerate
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  if only we opened up a PNW branch... : hamachi
  • sounds like somebody needs to get started on that "saves the company millions of dollars annually" propo... : Degenerate
• late afternoon / early evening / I'm going the hell home bump : Degenerate
• Damn. If only the economy was better I'd be all moved by now. Still trying to sell the house. :/ Maybe... : Damodred

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  Tickle Labia; Dick Rub : zebosausamite
  • http://lmgtfy.com/?q=tldr : zebosausamite
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  Too Long Didn't Read. : burning eye
  • You're not supposed to actually tell him! : thetangent
  • it should have been TLDNR. : fsck
  • You fail at Shacknews : zerog83
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    You ass, what the hell. : virus
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      awww come on. It would've degenerated into 50 posts containing "dick". : burning eye
      • EXACTLY! : thetangent
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  http://shackwiki.com/wiki/Acronyms : kanix
  • Sweet, thanks :) : GoodBoy
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  Ok, new question, what or who is Marteen. Could be a sandwhich for all i know HWM : GoodBoy
  • *Maarten : GoodBoy
  • Maarten was one of the head honchos runnin' Shaqnoos : Modica Sol Solis
  • http://shackwiki.com/wiki/Maarten_Goldstein : Degenerate
  • http://shackwiki.com/wiki/Maarten_Goldstein : kanix
  • He's NOT Faarten Moldstein. : thetangent
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    wow, it didn't take long to get to this point, did it... : beastrabban
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      Sander who? : thekidd
      • sandra pile-on.. steve gilbert. doc martins... what? : beastrabban
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    Did you buy this account off someone? How could you register in 2001 and not know these things? : batkiwi
    • this is a very good point : filthysock
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      SIDEJACK: If you could buy someones account and start posting as them, who's would you buy and how much w... : uglysad
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        ULTRAJACK: my account is for sale for $9000 : sparkly
        • I will give you a tree that is in front of my office. I have been trying to sell it on Craigslist with no... : K0LM
        • This really is probably the account you want to get, folks. What with that sparkly-script and all. : famine101
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          I will open the bidding at $8 : uglysad
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            I counter-bid $4. : cerealSAM2
            • I bid tree-fiddy/ : thetangent
        • also if you buy my account I will never post again. : sparkly
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          MONSTER-COMBO-JACK If you could buy out another shackers entire identity, their qualifications, life a... : Toraz Chryx
          • Nope, I already got my own :P : GoodBoy
    • lol, no. For a long time I didn't get into the chatty's much, just read the gaming news posts. These du... : GoodBoy
  • He will lead us to Tomorrow-Morrow Land. : Haku-Jin
  • One thing is for sure, I LOVE HIM. I DO. : virus
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  STFU and GTFO : m0rfus
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    IAWTSTFUAGTFOP : zerog83
    • ^^ HERE HERE : m0rfus
• noc : proclone1
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  tl;dr : hashd
  • :) shack humor : GoodBoy

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  IAWTP. Liking it way more than MW2 as far as single player goes. Not sure if it hits UC2 levels. Maybe. : retarded talking dinosaur
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    To be honest, UC2 lost it's sizzle after a good amount of the SP. I was quickly bored and after beating i... : zuff
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      What is UC2? : nomaad
      • Uncharted 2 for the PSTriple : bling1bling
• Ok...that sounds more interesting than most of the whole first game already. : MacemanInTW
• That does sound like comedy... Benny Hill guard fights still around? : jasoncrowley
• I have to agree with you, I picked it up yesterday and it is *really* good. Fun too. AC1 was good, ... : Thornfist
• Gotta pick this up. Too many games to play these days. :( : legato17
• I'd let Jade Raymond assassinate my creed twice. : zerog83
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  i'm putting down Dragon Age to play through AC2 : dirge23
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    I put down CoD6 and Dragon Age to play AC2. And I've yet to play L4D2 since I'm waiting to pop my cher... : zuff
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      i'm waiting on CoD6 until my corporate spies at Activision can score me a free copy. Dragon Age is great ... : dirge23
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        L4D2 is perfect for lunch breaks! : zuff
        • welll..L4D in general, I'm sure the second will be just as good as a time killer. : zuff
  • Yeah me too, heh : Magus
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  Also, a bit of a spoiler for after visiting the Villa the first time: I did the first catacomb and OMG t : zuff
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    catacomb or assassins tomb? wtf is a catacomb? : retarded talking dinosaur
    • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catacombs : alnya
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  What's the deal with "bonus maps" that come with pre-orders/the CE etc.? Like what are they, since it's a... : veras
  • Not sure, this is the first I've heard about them. : zuff
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  Never played the first one. Will it make a good port to the PC, or does it play best on a console. I us... : twifosp
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    console was substantially better for the first, mostly due to control issues. if you have a gamepad for y... : dirge23
    • I didn't find any control issues on PC. : Mystery0000
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    I couldn't see myself traversing rooftops very fast with anything but a controller of some sort. WASD ... : zuff
    • PC + 360 controller was great for AC1. : Whistler77
  • First one was great on PC , better visuals and didnt have problem with the controls. : Cashh
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  There's not a lot of you playing this are you? :( They couldn't of released this game at a worse time. : zuff
  • After everyone's good impressions I am probably going to add it to my Christmas List. That or pick it up... : Begawkiness
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    I'm playing it and I'm surprised how little fanfare its received, its a really good game. : massdev
    • too much crack of duty modern heroin 2 : zuff
    • too many games dude. just too many : kainen1
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    I didn't play the first one from a lot of the 'meh' and 'wtf?' reactions I was hearing. Too much other s... : kek
    • I'd say it's more like GTA 1400AD. : retarded talking dinosaur
  • they really should have waited until at least mid-december : maulla
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    Also I'm not sure if it was because I was just not paying attention this time around or did Ubi keep quie... : Begawkiness
    • i think part of the reason i liked the first one so much is that i dodged most of the hype on it and ende... : dirge23
    • I would have been more excited about the game had there been more Jade Raymond/Kristen Bell videos/pictur... : Rooster Cockburn
  • the first one was so massively overhyped that the series doesn't have a lot of good will, regardless of t... : veras
  • I was up playing it until 1am. Having a blast so far. Can't wait to see where the story is going. : malevolence
  • Christmas list for me! : Scotty22
  • Ubisoft probably couldn't have picked a worse time to release this. A week after MW2, and also after seve... : Iazu
  • Out for Delivery. :) : jake
  • Going to try to snag it from Blockbuster at lunch. : Head Rush
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    I'm trying to but my friends keep nagging me to play COD6. AC2 is a great game. : silent77
    • haha yah i had to ignore 6 invites to games last night. : zuff
  • Don't say that, Xmas is still up ahead. : Mad Brahmin Disease
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    The first game was soooo effing repetitive I completely wrote this series off, and I've become wary of sh... : Dynotaku
    • This is in no way repetitive at all. Trust me, if not the shack. : zuff
• Thr is how I felt about the first few hours with the original. Then that "random scene" happened 100 more... : jigstah
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  Does it still have the sci fi shit? Did they make the free running fun/challenging/skilful? Did the... : marmite
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    read the reviews, they fixed almost everything : gmd
    • Is there anyone who hated the first that's played the second and liked it? I really didn't get the first ... : marmite
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      :( The opening bit of Eurogamers review doesn't fill me with confidence. "Abstergo, of course, is a f... : marmite
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        that review reads like the guy started out determined not to like the game, but then he gets won over : dirge23
        • and yes it still has the sci-fi, it's a sci-fi game. they didn't throw out the whole genre. : dirge23
        • yeah it's pretty positive in the end. I'll put it on my rent list. : marmite
      • JUST BUY THE FUCKING GAME !! : gmd
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        Yeah, that sounds like more of the same 'wtf?' stuff from the first one...which I didn't play because of ... : kek
        • i think the animus framing story is awesome and i'd be seriously annoyed if they dropped it in favor of s... : dirge23
      • this reviewer sounds like a wanker. : PlanetPerfecto
      • the beginning of the game takes place in modern times, but it's much more exciting and fast paced than ac... : JINKY
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        The first fight in the parking garage is supposed to be awful i think. Desmond has had no training yet ... : boredguy
        • i am assuming that by the end of the series desmond will become an Ultimate Badass : dirge23
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          I kept trying to counter in the parking garage. lol. also, kicking people in the nuts while they're d... : xsoulbrothax
          • Needs more Gears of War style curbstomp. I have no idea why that was so viscerally satisfying, but I coul... : daneloire
      • keep reading. It's one of those "meh. meh. lame. I can't believe they make me do the training again. THIS... : thecray
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    The freerunning was always good! : Lone Swordsman
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      I didn't like it. It felt clumsy and too easy at the same time. I much preferred how it was done in the s... : marmite
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        I think it is enjoyable enough for casual running but it has huge issues as soon as you're tasked with do... : Begawkiness
        • the environment is much better suited to it in AC/AC2 : dirge23
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    1) still there 2) same mechanic (c'mon people this works *exactly* the way Zelda does, get the fuck over... : dopefish
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      I've not really played much Zelda I didn't even know it had platforming elements, but thanks for the answ... : marmite
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        zelda is about exploring, not about "pressing jump at the right time." it auto-jumps for you, you just p... : dopefish
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          yeah, it's not like prince of persia where the freerunning is the puzzle. the only time it works that way... : dirge23
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            actually there are spots in AC2 where free running IS the puzzle. and those spots are awesome. : retarded talking dinosaur
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              ohh is this what the assassin's tombs are about? haven't gotten there yet : dirge23
              • Yep, exactly. There's also Templar lairs that have treasure in them that are the same thing. : ArcKnight
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      Does it still pretty much boil down to: Unlock new area, grind the same set of quests you did in the last... : Rotten Deadite
      • nope, there's none of that that i've seen in the game so far. but i'm only 12 hours in : retarded talking dinosaur
      • This sounds like most games. : ruckboos
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    Why was everyone so opposed to the sci-fi business? I thought it was by far the most interesting aspect o... : Modica Sol Solis
    • I think the pacing and set up of it was a little weird in the beginning of the first game (When you are s... : silent prophet
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      In the first they just did it wrong. Not only was the pacing atrocious, but they would actually break... : InfoBiter
      • when all anyone wanted to be doing was running on rooftops stabbing fuckers. If you weren't wondering ... : ArcKnight
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      Because it would be nice to play a game set in the past without any fantasy or sci fi elements - and far ... : marmite
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        Far more original? Are you kidding me? WW2 games. The Total War series. Crusader series. Stronghold serie... : ArcKnight
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          there is only one true crusader series and it involves a dude in a red suit and cheesy fmv >:( : xsoulbrothax
          • This is what I thought he was talking about : bolneze
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          Sorry I didn't mean in the past, I meant in that time period specifically. : marmite
          • this is kinda like saying the matrix would have been cool if they had just skipped the sci-fi stuff and j... : dirge23
        • most of those are fps or strategy games : Chandler55
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      It felt forced and out of place with the rest of the game : bolneze
      • 'forced'? What do you mean, 'forced'? And it's telling two seperate stories at the same time, so I'm not ... : ArcKnight
      • How was it forced when it was in the design of the game from the onset? : Modica Sol Solis
    • I agree with you. I was most interested in finishing the missions so I could get back to the present and ... : Simulacrum
    • I liked how health work, if you never got hurt, technically that means you never deviated from the memori... : Sailor of Fortune
• I may have to rent this. also you mean predecessor, not prequel : Nali4Freedom
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  I may buy this tonight. This is the last big game of the year right? RIGHT? : mwasher
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    dnf comes out new years eve : gmd
    • Yes it's the last big game of the year. Then you have two MAJOR games launching January (ME 2 and Splinte... : LoioshDwaggie
    • now that would be the ultimate DLC sneak attack. "DNF IS ON A DISC. FIND IT." : Downforce
  • do you count Zelda Choo Choo Adventures on the DS as a big game? : veras
  • Saboteur looks really good and then that's it basically till Mass Effect 2. : freakynipples69
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    Yeah, I don't see any more AAA titles until January... : silent prophet
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      ok i will buy it then : mwasher
      • you won't be disappointed. dawg : zuff
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  I've been pretty excited for this game...but I want it for PC. : Rice-Rocketeer
  • Same here, hope they make a decent port : Dontdrop
• I played a few hours last night, I like it so far. Got to the part with the whore lady teaching me how to : Code RedBeard
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  I put a ton of time into this game yesterday. It really is wayyy much better than the first one; and it a : InfoBiter
  • Fuck me I did sample tag where I meant to do spoiler tag in this post, be Warned. : InfoBiter
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    Yeah those puzzles are pretty much the only thing i dislike about the game so far. Only other problem is... : boredguy
    • Yah I love the random chases that occur. The couriers net a ton of gold if you tackle them (hell, sti... : InfoBiter
• Nice I'll have to add this to my Xmas list... i enjoyed the first game for a bit, but it got a little bo... : Shadowdane
• Played it a bit on the PS3. The screen tearing is atrocious, and the low-poly models used during cutscen... : egg5hen
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  Any difference between the PS3 and XBOX versions. Sort of like the whole fallout 3 on PS3 being vastly i... : str8upkiller
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    I heard the PS3 version has some screen tearing issues but aside from that I believe they're the same. : Cowburn199
    • screen tearing is horrible on my ps3 version.... guess i should have bought the 360 version... apparently... : Pixelbeast
• http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=21450278#itemanchor_21450278 : massdev
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  Pequel - a work (as a novel or a play) whose story precedes that of an earlier work. Also, I've seen a... : GoS-CPT-Stewart
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    What are you talking about? AC2 is not a prequel. : ArcKnight
    • I'm dumb, carry on. : ArcKnight
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    What are you trying to say? Are you trying to correct me, but at the same time misspelling prequel? lol ... : zuff
    • I think he meant AC2 is not an earlier work to AC1 so it has no prequel. : Edges
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      Haha, I didn't even realize I spelled it wrong. Now I look really dumb :P Also, yes prequel is the in... : GoS-CPT-Stewart
      • Ah, gotcha! I learn something everyday! : zuff
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  I like it, but I can't get over how silly some of these "interactive" elements are. I mean pressing bu : Vincent Grayson
  • Yah after the beginning tutorial I haven't seen any of those in a while. : zuff
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    Other than the opening sequence there really isn't much of that at all. : InfoBiter
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      I've seen it three times since the beginning and I'm halfway through the game. Two of those were optio... : ArcKnight
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        I think I know which third time you're talking about. If you let me go now I will spare your lives ... : InfoBiter
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          Yes! I was completely NOT expecting what happened next, though I should have. I just didn't notice where : ArcKnight
          • I thought u were going to say the ILTC moment, where it's optional to hug Leonardo or not.... LOL. : Skoal^Fyfan
  • it's an improvement over the glitch alternative camera angles in the original : dirge23
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    WOW WOW WOW. I'm near the end and Disrobe My Lady???? PLZ say it's Rosa and at what point is this?! I jus : Skoal^Fyfan
    • ^^ o shi. ignore this. I just remember it was like in the first 5 minutes of the game. : Skoal^Fyfan
• I never played the first one because I heard it was a pile of arse, but i'm willing to check this out : Drewus
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  Just finished Sequence #10. There are #14 Sequences right? Anyhow, I realized just now that I've been fol... : Skoal^Fyfan
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    There's only 20 glyphs and they're all on landmarks, and the database lets you know there's a glyph on th... : ArcKnight
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      are feathers the new flags? : dirge23
      • Yeah they are. : boredguy
      • Crazy as it is, I'm glad that's back, as I actually enjoyed hunting down flags... : Magus
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  purchased. got $38 in trade in credit for Borderlands w/ the 25% bonus for getting AC2 and a 15% coupo... : mwasher
  • Yay! Hope you enjoy it as much as I am. : zuff
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  So anyone hated everything about the first one and like the sequel? I didn't like the story, hero, combat... : Sixcos
  • they've fixed a lot of the problems but it's still a sequel, you probably won't like it : dirge23
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  I might pick this game up. I've been hearing lots of good feedback and I REALLY wanted to love the first ... : uglysad
  • It is EVERYTHING the first game should of been. : zuff
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  Still not convinced... The first game was pretty much trash. So AC2 being better isn't saying much. : TPSReport
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    I suppose the plethora of 9/10 reviews from all sites isn't enough, even when reviews acknowledge the fir... : Skoal^Fyfan
    • I'm gonna be pissed if I was able to resist purchase of the first one because I didn't wanna get fucked o... : mwasher
• prequel? you mean predecessor : mobab
• I've always found it a bit weird when people say what a shame it is that a particular game being discusse... : wytefang

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  That level really, really impressed me. I have only been to Louisiana once. I was in Shreveport around... : Lightzout
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    Yeah, as I was playing I kept being blown away with the "there are actually places like this" realization... : tomservo
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      Hey, check your Steam invites for a friends request :) : Nitrium
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        don't do it man : Degenerate
        • game over man, game over! : Nitrium
      • Ok! :D I will as soon as I get home. I meant to be on to play with dudes last night but forgot I had made... : tomservo
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    Shreveport is about as far away from swamps and alligators in Louisiana that you can get. Everything nor... : sludge vohaul
    • That explains why I didnt see any I guess. : Lightzout
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  Me, too tomservo. : Dschinghis Khan
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    I also think that they have extra hit points because it seems like they are slightly more of a pain in th... : tomservo
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      yeah i think the special common infected are harder to bring down. : Dschinghis Khan
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        I really like that. Little subtle things like that make me love a game so much more. Special common infec... : tomservo
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          Yeah, this one is leagues better than the first. : Dschinghis Khan
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            I would really like to see them implement some special common infected in the first game. : tomservo
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              that would be cool. Or the inevitability of someone making it possible for us to play the first campaigns... : Dschinghis Khan
              • Yeah! That would freshen things up rather nicely if you ask me. I would almost prefer additional little t... : tomservo
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  The jockey is the only thing that freaks me out a little bit. Everything else is just regular infected c... : Maddog_Delphi97
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    Jockey is just annoying to me. But the Charger... the Charger actually makes me feel anxiety sometimes. H... : tomservo
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      the charger is really good if you can surprise someone, but if you are seen or you miss a charge you are ... : mikecyb
      • I still have yet to play versus and scavenge, you should play with me this weekend :( : tomservo
      • The worst thing about the charger is he actually has a pretty short range. I found this out to everyones ... : Beady
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    a precisely spawned spitter can make life hell. i've found a great deadly combo is the spitter + charger... : EvilDolemite
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      Two nights ago I was playing with Rethius and some bots since nobody else had joined yet. He was straggli... : tomservo
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        i found a grenade launcher with satansfist and ride my rocket. every time i used it they took some splas... : EvilDolemite
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          Yeah the Grenade Launcher is addicting as shit. I tend to use that until I run out of ammo simply because... : tomservo
          • Oh and sorry about being MIA last night. I forgot I had made dinner plans with friends, so I only was abl... : tomservo
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          You saved my ass with it. A Charger had grabbed me apart from the rest of you, and I was afraid you coul... : Ride-My-Rocket
          • I learned something last night, which is sort of obvious, but it didn't occur to me initially. When a Cha... : tomservo
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        The bot survivors are terrible about helping you when you get nailed by a special infected. Their #1 man... : action wombmate
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          Yeah. And they never pick up pipe bombs or anything either, so when I play with bots I always try to mana... : tomservo
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            Yeah, I've noticed that, too. I need to get in some shack games. : action wombmate
            • Yes you do! Add me on Steam if you haven't already: http://steamcommunity.com/id/tomservo : tomservo
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        its weird because even if you only have a melee weapon you suddenly have a pistol again if you get knocke... : GloriousCow
        • Yeah I wish you could switch back and forth, it makes no sense to me why you can't. I think even the play... : tomservo
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      I played a game last night -- with you? -- where our team was doing fine, up until we all died in the spa... : Ride-My-Rocket
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        Yep. Spitters are nasty, but they don't freak me out too much for some reason. Maybe it's just that the... : Maddog_Delphi97
        • Spitter seems to take less damage than the Smoker even, which surprises me. I think they should make her ... : tomservo
      • The director is much more brutal in this game. You'll be coasting along pretty easily and then BAM, mass ... : SatansFist
• i ain't afraid of no ghost. : ass-street
• hold me : Lawgiver
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  I played last night on advanced and it was very difficult. I'd actually like to run through the entire ca... : edgewise
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    Yeah I was surprised at how confused I felt when we were running through Dark Carnival. It's pretty impre... : tomservo
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      is that the end of the level? : edgewise
      • Yeah! We were LITERALLY dying on the doorstep of the safehouse. We just couldn't see the door because of ... : tomservo
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    normal is mostly manageable with the bots, which is what I use for a quick run through. they are good as... : mikecyb
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      They're deadly accurate too! I am always amused at the friendly fire stat at the end of a bot game: to... : tomservo
      • I like how the bots keep jumping in front of you at the last possible millisecond before you start firing... : Maddog_Delphi97
      • I think on normal they are actually unable to hurt you, because I swear I have seen the screen nudge a fe... : mikecyb
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    agreed. we did the mall one on advanced last night and it took quite a few tries to do the end fill-the-g... : mwasher
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      the trick with that one is to throw the gas tanks down to the bottom level. : CoRDS
      • Yah. My Roommate and tap_corbu and I just ran as a group with our one bot and started on the third floor... : Malku
      • did that. most of the time we had 2 tanks spawned during the fight, but the time we won we didn't have 2... : mwasher
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  oh sure, "mud-men" >:( : Majuju
  • They run on all fours D: : tomservo
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  Pfft, Clowns are waaay more scary imo... Damn clowns... : surley_monkey
  • they sound like lil dogs yipping, I swear for the sound effect they used the lil toy tiny-poodle-dog that... : proclone1
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  The swamp campaign is really incredible looking. I have such a raging boner for this game >:| : midgetherder
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    Yeah the Swamp campaign was way more gorgeous than I thought. Were you like me when you came to the crash : tomservo
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      heh that would be a nice touch : Arctic Fox
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        I dropped to my knees and screamed "ZOOOOOOOEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" :( : tomservo
        • lol : midgetherder
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  last night was awesome with lyme, delaric, and sammyL; we did plantation (is that the swamp episode?) on ... : proclone1
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    I assumed everyone who wasnt at the boat when we got there was dead or down. I just jumped on and someon... : Delaric
    • that was me going back :P : proclone1
• I think they will be scaring me tonight when I buy the game. You're all dead. I am the VS master. : NastyJack

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• definitely using that from now on and i never use a spray : eeeealmo
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  yessssss : midgetherder
  • quit herding me! : MidgetClown
• Amen : TheMonkeyWench
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  H@rvester made this, btw. : dmason
  • H@rvester is obviously a good man. : Degenerate
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  I still haven't played L4D1 multiplayer...:( : kagath
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    then you have been playing an awful game. : byorn
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      Actually I only played it for about 2 hours in SP to mess with it. Haven't touched it since. : kagath
      • same here : creep
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      Somehow the bots are actually worse in L4D2. I don't think valve updated them at all, so they are useless... : Beady
      • I was on one level at the top of a warehouse building thing waiting for the elevator and a charger came a... : Chod
      • I have found this to be true as well. They were pretty decent in L4D1, but it's like they forgot to updat... : OverloadUT
      • In the demo the bit where you have to climb up the scaffolding and turn off the power on something after ... : mikecyb
      • they avoid acid... but thats about it : GloriousCow
  • I finally bought it on sale, played it for about 2 hours, then never played it again. Hype fails. It wa... : Freon
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  I've not played L4D2 much.. but why would you melee zombies before killing them? : fatman
  • I dunno but it's fun as fuck to chop heads off. I got that 200 decapitations achievement after playing t... : mikecyb
  • Not so much melee with the melee weapon (though that's good too), but the alt-fire knockback with your pr... : mn3m0n1c
  • Meleeing the special zombies (excluding charger, tank, witch) instantly knocks them off your teammate and... : H@rvester
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  he forgot when you have to haul ass, haul ass, don't fuck around looking at shit : jonin
  • This pissed me off the other day. I was moving at a good pace, leaving a wake of destruction in my path w... : gibolas1234
  • Fucking sightseers : Serpico74
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  I made this for the original L4D. It is pretty much just as relevant for L4D2 except you can't melee the ... : H@rvester
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    did you get your counterstrike weapons yet? i haven't played much other than the sp campaign. : Hoax
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      I haven't been able to confirm if they actually put them in the german version or not. Have you seen them... : H@rvester
      • http://www.amazon.de/Left-Dead-inkl-Counter-Strike-Source/dp/B002OP4YZG http://www.gamestop.de/l4d2.html... : Hoax
• What's with the melee zombies first? Is this 'cause it takes multiple hits to kill one or what? : cerealSAM2
• Whoa, I love that. : virus
• awesome awesome, thanks h@rvester : Nitrium
• That's even better than Tits or GTFO. : AgentPothead
• fellow l4d2 players, anyone else got his stats wiped ? http://steamcommunity.com/id/barichnikov/stats... : barichnikov
• so is there really no way to do Vent/XBL-style voice chat in this game? having people yelling over my sp... : electroly
• I have yet to play with shackers :( : mayooms
• Awesome. Fucking awesome. : freakynipples69
• It's my new spray : glio1337
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  http://shackpics.com/files/c4m5_milltown_escape0029_kib72dj5z9j1wcab5lux.jpg does the 360 version have... : pyide
  • The second the storm strengthened I got all giddy and excited! It's an impressive way to stir up a frenz... : DrWaffles
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  Do any of you guys still play L4D1? I haven't played with shackers, my RL friends have left the game behi... : Teiresias
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    i dont see myself going back to L4D1 having played 2 : theWhite
    • Guess I'm saving up $50, then. Woo. : Teiresias

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• so microsoft won't plug the holes the NSA uses : drucifer
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