Valve Surprise: Team Fortress 2 Sniper Update Will Include Spy Unlockables, Too (Updated)

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  It does help with the inherently broken nature of cloaking. : DerHuhnTeufel
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    and whats broken about it? : papaskot
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      i was just gonna ask the same thing, seems pretty fair to me and i play spy more than any other class : Dyllers
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        well one positive about the cloak and dagger thing is that the player can wait for an opportunity while i... : Shai-Tan
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          WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO GIVE UP TO USE IT???? : churgen
          • pistol probably : vertdang
          • WHY ARE WE SHOUTING? : Geoffrois
          • Cloak watch. I think both are replacements for the cloak watch, seeing that both items are, well, watc... : JediDwag
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          You have to uncloak first, and there's a 2-3 second delay between becoming invisible and being able to st... : Alexrose
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            My most backstabs in one life is 17, and I beg to differ. The watch sounds like it will function like ... : JediDwag
            • agreed. I've only got 16 stabs in 1 life but i am totally wif you on this one. It will suck on maps whe... : OMGzImBurning
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      The fact that any scout can easily chase you down and run next to you to spot you for everyone, any pyro... : DerHuhnTeufel
      • Sounds like it's working to me. : thejay247
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        So basically you want them to 'fix' all the things that balance out the spy class? : dafugg
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          The things that balance out the spy class are horrible damage outside of backstabs and extremely low heal... : DerHuhnTeufel
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            Really? That's interesting, I've played on a 14 v 14 CTF server the other day and I was leading the way i... : DM7
            • Agreed. The less people on the server the HARDER to be a spy, because your diguise is completely ineffect... : Alexrose
            • Good spies go after the pyros. Nothing more rewarding than backstabbing one in the back and laughing at t... : HellTempest
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    Cloaking is amazing. Especially after the ammo change with cloaking. So awesome. : lplasmatron
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      except you can't use ammo for either of these alternatives : RikiTiki2
      • right, but derhuhnteufel was talking about the original cloak : papaskot

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  It truly is a thing of beauty. If anyone wants to know how to do things properly in almost every way - al... : Phil
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    Honestly I could not imagine a more awesome way to do this. : SenorSpine
    • One of the things I'm still hoping for the Spy character film is that he turns out to be a "Blu" Spy inst... : Godhatesfatpeople
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    Except for the actual gameplay of TF2. : boulder94
    • i see you're still at it : RikiTiki2
    • hahahah oh wow. /facepalm : Downforce
    • Keeping that troll hand strong. : Godhatesfatpeople
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      Have you at least played it? : OmegaRed59
      • I would prefer if he didn't just in case he liked it. : Lightzout
    • hahahaha yeah. but no. : indosauros
    • i know you're a troll, but srsly... SRSLY? : dextius
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  Did you think about the gameplay yet? Spy vs snipers trying to get achievements at the same time, will be... : Snipergen
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    Most people couldn't play those classes properly if their lives depended on it though. It will be fun as ... : Geoffrois
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      This is why I'm against achievements, it's fun, but just give us the unlockables from the beginning,! So ... : Snipergen
      • I completely missed your sarcasm before. : Geoffrois
      • I haven't played scout since the scout update and since spy is my favoured class (I spent about 98% of my... : Alexrose
    • they also said that unlockable weapons will no longer be solely tied to achievements... : brainchild420
  • Now that you mention it! It's fucking brilliant! : spyrext
• hahaha, i see what they did there. : senor135
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  That update's a spy! : duffman03
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    You're a spy! : vital3d
    • Nope --O--x : [7]kami
• Valve is credit to team. : MeestaNob
• I don't play anymore and even I'm amused and delighted. : lightly inclined
• Gentlemen. I look forward to this. : Techpriest((Thc))
• Serves you snipers right. : Lightzout

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• http://www.wegame.com/watch/MTS_TF2_iPod/ Best quality I've found! : Lionhart32935

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• High-traffic areas are amazingly hard for even very skilled spy players. : Godhatesfatpeople
• They gotta get there without a cloak though. : Geoffrois

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  You're not giving Valve enough credit. They clearly revel in leading fans around with that kind of thing.... : Nick Breckon
  • I think they might be making fun of us, a little bit. : duffman03
• Check out the RSS feed: http://www.teamfortress.com/rss.xml "She'll be inconsolable" is still mentioned. : SigmaDraconis
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  In the past in interviews and such, they have referred to the Pyro as both "he" and "she". They are just... : Leviathan41
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    what about the damned purse? isnt that enough evidence? : papaskot
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      yes because it is physically impossible for a man to have a purse. If a man touches one it will explode. : jccalhoun
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        yes because this is a mans purse: http://sleekupload.com/uploads_jpg/26/pyro_purse.jpg : papaskot
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          Maybe the pyro is a man with a secret flowery side? Just sayin. : duffman03
          • Look at him! He's the delicate artiste! Look at me! Everybody love me! Hahaha! : AxeMan808
        • It's a joke. Pyro? Flamer? Get it? : lerlerson
        • Well, apparently jccalhoun would consider carrying it around. : stratedge
    • Just another way Valve is messing with us, lol. Honestly, they probably haven't even decided if the Pyro... : Leviathan41

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  really cool idea but 10 sec is a bit to much, more like 2-3 sec is enough : eiric
  • If that really happened, everyone would go spy and just sap the sentries continuously. In other words, IN... : Zhoom
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    Yeah, ten seconds is a lot, especially since rockets from a level 3 can pretty much instant kill somebody... : HellTempest
    • They can only kill somebody if they're int he lien of sight long enough. You can side step them if you ha... : Godhatesfatpeople
• Wouldn't happen. That is way too over powered. : JediDwag
• I think the sapper alternative they had in that fake spy update was on the money. It didnt damage the sen... : Darky_06
• That idea is too overpowered. : Godhatesfatpeople

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• Unless its to fool someone in thinking they've killed you. In this case, there had better be some HUD/pla... : eonix
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  It's a great feign tactic. Most people pass bodies buy thinking that they were taken out and then run bac... : Godhatesfatpeople
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    everyone is going to be shooting bodies on the ground now. Those who don't have a good enough CPU to dis... : churgen
    • Hey, anything for a distraction right? ;) : Godhatesfatpeople
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      I don't think you get how it works. Shooting corpses won't do shit. : Geoffrois
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        Shooting around randomly might. If the Spy is just "cloaked" I'm going to be firing randomly everytime on... : XSilencedXDream
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          This is going to be awesome. Open diguise kit, press - to disguise as own team (e.g. sniper or somethi... : Alexrose
          • Oooo.... Good idea. Didn't think of disguising as a friendly and bum rushing them... Wow, this game ... : JediDwag
          • that's brilliant : RikiTiki2
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  It's is not your own body! It is a simulacra of your body, a FAKE. You immediately cloak and a fake body ... : Kurashu
  • It's a real doll of you! : Godhatesfatpeople
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    Hmm.. you know, it sounds like what happens is this: You run around the enemy base disguised. Someone... : eonix
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      That is what it says . . . it isn't really vague. http://www.teamfortress.com/spyupdate/ : OmegaRed59
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        Ya so basically this is for the spies out there who enjoy disguising over cloaking. All of 2 of them. : eonix
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          No it's for the spies who like creating confusion. which should be all of them. : Geoffrois
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            Confusion by being disguised. Your logic fits in to mine. All 2 of them. : eonix
            • Actually, for good spies the second watch is shite. Having to stand still is lame, when you could be runn... : Alexrose

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  The line forms here. : Lightzout
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    *Stands behind Lightzout* : JediDwag
    • *Stands behind JediDwag* mantrain :( : Sapiens

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  i think pyro is the counter to the spy, cant see them extinguishing flames, + you will have pyros bitchin... : okellyc
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    well this watch presumable removes the spies normal watch cloaking ability, so he'd have to rely solely u... : pyide
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      i think the other form of cloak replaces the watch, this will replace pistol? : papaskot
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        They probably will both replace the normal cloak. : Geoffrois
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          If one did replace the pistol though, you could use 2 watches... hmmm. : frib
          • I do have 2 arms, though... : The3Apocalypses

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• Top shelf! : frib
• I did all I could! : scottv7

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  Agreed. Now watch all the Valve fanboys praise Valve for doing this. I bet you if Valve released 20 new m... : dookiebot
  • :P : Godhatesfatpeople
• Agreed. This update should cost $10 or 800 Valve Points or whatever. This free stuff has got to stop. ... : Leviathan41
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  Is it really 2 updates? seems like they scrached the whole sniper thing (everything with sniper mentions... : LordHellMaX
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    Well the sniper page is still viewable but in the Major Updates section of the main page it's completely ... : LordHellMaX
    • You could just, you know, press the 'Back' button, just like you've had to do all week to see earlier day... : AlexW1203
• Maybe Valve can take some pointers from EA... Lets send them a copy of all the spray and pray and "he wh... : Xencer
• I agree! This kind of attitude towards extended software support just leads to less long term sales, angr... : abrasion

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  ... Because that's how the Dead Ringer works... : DOOManiac
  • I think he knows that : quanta88

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  The Canada comment had me in stitches ahahah : Scoots06
  • plus we also have lumberjacks here, so the camera beard is TWICE as effective. : duffman03

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• That's pretty good. My idea for the knife replacement would be a bomb you stick in the back of someone. A... : Geoffrois
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  I don't see how that would be very useful. : datoo
  • yeah if you have a 'few seconds' without being seen to kill someone you just stab and redisguise : papaskot

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• well said, sir : Veegeezee

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  I'm hoping with this dual update! : Godhatesfatpeople
  • That would be most excellent. I think I'm going to get back into TF2 when I get back to school. : freshyk

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• The baccarat detector is the definition of comedy. : izduracis
• This is why I would buy a TF2 artbook in a heartbeat. : Godhatesfatpeople

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• I actually hope Engi and Demoman come out at the same time. I do not want millions of Engineers without a... : ShrimpScampie