3D Realms Says Goodbye

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  as if they needed ANOTHER distraction... : steaming79
  • haha, very true : hillemania

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• Whoa.... : Jiven
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  not necessarily meaning its DNF related...or could it? : steaming79
  • Hope it is : davidc02
• Hmm! : guido anchovy
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  I don't get it...I thought Apogee and 3DR were totally unrelated? : johngloid
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    George and Scott each own 50% of 3DR and the Duke IP. Scott is the founder of Apogee. Apogee purchas... : Chester Copperpot
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      I thought ScottM *wanted* to get away from 3DR and do his own thing. Wouldn't this negate that whole goa... : johngloid
      • It is said that Scott is a MUCH better negotiator and business man than George... I don't know how much o... : melt_core
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      The current Apogee is a spin-off of 3DR handling it's older properties and Duke Nukem Trilogy. Scott and ... : NeoChaosX
      • Yeah I thought the Radar Group was Scott's new thing. So who runs Apogee these days? : GreatGooglyMoogly
• the background changed to the duke logo.......... : NukemFornever
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  Duke is not dead, this is a final marketing thang, I am sure. 3dR probably died, but someone else prob... : Function Pointer
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    and the goodbye = gone gold eye twitching.. fist clenching... : delataur
    • I lel'd : Function Pointer
• They're making Duke games for the DS, its not necessarily DNF related (crossing fingers it is). : Serpico74

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  Are you kidding? That floor's the best thing I've ever seen about a building. : Meadows.TR
  • I agree...just saying maybe the few thousand dollars they spent on the floor might have been the last bit... : xanthaz
• that floor is pretty sweet. : mindshot
• That floor rules.. i'm totally doing that in my house! : GonzoRookie

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  You can see what kept going wrong in the video, though. With a graphics engine lined up you have a window... : stratedge
  • Restarts, tech wasn't at the level they needed, bad decision on licensing -> should have wrote their own ... : droveri
• Would've been neat. The stupid level of interactivity would've more than compensated for any visual short... : jtthe2nd
• Jesus. Wow. Awesome stuff. :( : [7]kami
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  Video removed blah, blah, blah... I have to ask why they would care about a footage from video game t... : jtthe2nd
  • tits in the video! :D : stewballz123

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  Most of the people online who tear into others for their own sense of satisfaction have, ironically, bigg... : STURM Mr Grey
  • How very true.. It's funny though, when it is them that have to deal with loss they will whine that th... : RumpleForeSkin72
• People are stupid. It's easy to write things behind your monitor, anonymously, from your mothers basement... : droveri

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  Good stuff... I was really mad at first, but I assume these guys meant the best for their games and fans... : supamart
  • yeah I held onto the conspiracy theory argument for a while because i was mad and in denial at first, but... : DewFuel
• Hear Hear! I had months of fun with Duke 3D and was really hoping to play DNF someday. Hopefully it get... : tunis5000
• I remember enjoying little fun-breaks to play duke3d in between silent BFG blasts, but I never was a reli... : ^rec

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• You have a very active imagination. : jimvolk
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  the nile is not just a river : X-GOUKI
  • Yeah, it's also a rock band. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nile_%28band%29 : NeoChaosX
  • Its De Nile is not just a river. De nile = denial, get it? Doesnt work with The Nile. Whats Thenial? Noth... : PinPalsApu
• Keep dreaming - Allard will be at a BMX event during this years e3. : Floppygrandma
• But Microsift would have to buy publishing rights from Take2 right? : doomed
• I'm starting to think that this is true.... except for that guy asking for donations. But maybe not the e... : excessus
• Well, if it's on Games for Windows Live, I'll give it a miss. : Smurfy12
• I agree. I honestly think this is one gigantic marketing move. : AMikaboshi
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  Agree. A lot of guys in the photo seem too happy. I've been in several company shut downs and that's ge... : grmreapr
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    It's probably because some of them already have new gigs lined up - George and Brian are being very good ... : mn3m0n1c
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      Are the last three in DFW? I know Gearbox and Id are local... : grmreapr
      • Yes, they are. : Kristian Joensen
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    It was the photo that finally convinced me. When I worked at a company that got shut down the last thing... : Mr Milquetoast
    • I thought the same thing, too, although not very seriously, but George Broussard is on my LinkedIn list, ... : Hellchick
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    Who says the picture was taken after or on the day of shutdown? : snowwolf
    • It says it right there in the article: "Siegler tells us that the photo, taken today, preceded a team ... : nudel
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  I was pretty sure this would be the case at the beginning of the year - but I'm less convinced now, sadly... : MorrisatCNN
  • You get paid to comment about games. You should know by now Holiday is not the only time to release a ga... : ease one
• Let it go. : dognose
• Here's your sign : acheron
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  I’m convinced this is the greatest marketing move in history Every time something odd and shitty hap... : zehh
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    A lot of people will have stopped paying attention to Duke Nukem Forever but following the announcement o... : Mr Milquetoast
    • It's like I opened a dictionary up on the word 'Denial' : Durajim
• I appreciate your excitment and optimism (?), but unfortunately I think this is all very real. :( : warcrow
• Except people would fucking hate them for such an insulting trick. : node

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• Well, that and the fact that he acted like an out-and-out asshole in public to several small dev studios ... : three-d

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  Having a 100% caucasian team helps too! : a176
  • What's with the numbered nicknames? Chinese? : doomed
  • The black dude in the photo is offended that you called him white. : jabuck
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  Nah, they just couldn't find a hot programmer babe/stripper. : themaestro2657
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    it wasn't due to lack of trying : binaryc
    • hahaha amen to that : italiano3d
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  For a game that kinda demeans women? : johngloid
  • I'm not so sure it did demean women any more than any other game with a "rescue the helpless princess" fo... : SFtheWolf
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  They needed a Stevie Case : VISOR103
  • Her boob looks like a triangle : Sailor of Fortune

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  We will all have our fingers crossed this E3. Regardless of reality. : kingdepork
  • Amen, brother : dancingpolkabear
  • fingers, toes and tentacles. But they're dead. : master_disaster_17
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  Yea. They were just to close. It doesn't make any sense at all. : Jiven
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    if there is no money, then there is no money. regardless of what time during development. Seeing as scott... : moshman
    • How can they not know in advance that there's no money? Oops, the account ran out just today? : Marrbe
• Always bet on Duke! I'm in the same boat, I still think this is a marketing gimmick / hoax and that this ... : Zyrekeb
• Well.. I suppose its true, although I'll only be convinced once I actually see the 3DR offices closed. I ... : shad0w1979
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  I posted this same speculation. : xelencin
  • sorry didnt realize you did, but atleast there are many people who agree with me : dancingpolkabear

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  They should take the $30M and let Take 2have ownership of the IP. Nobody else will just fund 3DR with the... : 5150Joker
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    I guarantee George B. will try and make Duke Nukem Forever again. : Porkasaurus
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      Using what? Monopoly money? : jtthe2nd
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        In his garage like a creepy old man trying to make a perpetual motion machine. "I will prove then all wro... : kingdepork
        • So, like Derek Smart, Ph.D then? : GreatGooglyMoogly
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    Duke is worth far more than $30m in the long run. Selling the IP to T2 for that would be a stupid busines... : Wikidd
    • I'm not so sure about that... Without a AAA title it's just another silly budget title character, with ba... : melt_core
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    That might have saved 3DR, but George and Scott's rallying cry for many years now has been keep your IP n... : Schnapple
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      Not sure about that. What about Max Payne which they and/or Remedy sold off to Take 2? Or was it after... : nudel
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        remedy sold the IP off i believe. : italiano3d
        • 3DR were part owners of the IP too. Take2 paid $10 million in cash and 969,932 shares of restricted commo... : GreatGooglyMoogly
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  point 17 is stupid. no publisher is going to pay to fund an incomplete game that they can't publish. : mikecyb
  • Uh, I think it goes without saying that any duke buyer would have to pay off T2 for pub rights : rasputinreborn
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  Microsoft will buy it and make it xbox360 only : Mrc32
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    The fact that MS didn't buy it is probably a good indicator of what a sorry state that game was in. : master_disaster_17
    • look its pretty simple in this industry publishers hope developers with good ip sink so they can consume ... : italiano3d
• Prey took 10 years, Duke took 10... guess nobody wants to give you $30M if they... or you, might die befo... : steelsamurai
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  If this is what happened then I think George made the smart move. With this he can rebuild. Start small w... : billy_zelsnack
  • you mean like he did 20 years ago? Yeah, that ain't happening a second time. : deathofrats
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  The way I heard it is that Take 2s offer was actually that 3DR could re-buy their publishing rights back ... : PlayfulPuppy
  • That is also what I heard, but it makes much more sense this way around. : melt_core
  • The rumor-mill had it backwards, apparently. T2 offered them $30m for the entire Duke Nukem IP - that mea : mn3m0n1c
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  if both iD and Epic turned him down then that would be a good indication of the state of the current buil... : cell9song
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    I seriously doubt George ever went to Id or Epic looking for funding - they are competitors after all. Mi... : mn3m0n1c
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      Epic and iD may technically be competitors but they're also self-funded with enough cash to finance a gam... : cell9song
      • ps: it's id, not iD. : binaryc
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      Developers don't really compete with each other. Most developers are friends with each other (we go out ... : binaryc
      • This is completly correct. Dev studios know more about eachothers games then the general public does. : italiano3d
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  Is any of this confirmed? I've seen this list in a few places now and most of the consensus is that its ... : grmreapr
  • Well, there's definitely a LOT of interpretation in there.. : melt_core
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  Take 2's sounds like a really good deal to me. This game took 12+ years to develop (and is still going... : MeestaNob
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    I thought Radar/Apooge already are using it? : GreatGooglyMoogly
    • Apogeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee : GreatGooglyMoogly
• What? Is that juvenile character really worth hanging on to the IP for? I guess sequel money would be at ... : gooblerampling

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• What book would that be? Describing fun with terrain cars, playing WoW, the odd engine switch and demo vi... : Function Pointer
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  No, but it'll cost at least 5 grand to publish it, and if you want any kind of return, you'll probably wa... : dedgecko
  • ooooooh, 5 grand, now that's hard to come by between now and when you actually decide to publish it! : ease one

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• Most of the ire is directed at the management, not the workers. The workers are completely innocent. I... : herradura99

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• for the past week he's been watching LOTR: http://twitter.com/georgeb3dr : steaming79
• He... is... front and center... : Omaha
• The fat one in the blue T-shirt and white shorts. : Dabs84

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• They would have started preparing for this day 9 years ago. : MeestaNob

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• It's so side-splitting hilarious when people lose their jobs. : morinaga
• yeah, they just sat there and waited 12 years to make it. it's not like they started working right away a... : RikiTiki2
• Damn, thanks dude! I was just sitting here, PLANNING to spend the next 12 years making something but than... : nudel
• Yeah your an ass! : stumpy84
• phinn, your posts are awesome. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. : rasputinreborn
• i TOTALLY agree with this point of phinn's: "don't wait 12 years to make and release a product." : steaming79

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• Is he related to Scott Siegler? : VISOR103
• He's not exactly taking donations to supplement his income; he's taking donations because he runs two fan... : mysteryperfecta

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  I think that Burger King is amazing : VISOR103
  • i like it but it gives me heart burn. :( : mdayzed

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• *hug* : happynoodle
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  I said this before but i never cared for the game at all, to be honest everytime the game was mentioned a... : oneshot
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    Dognose deserves a beta build for his support. : kingdepork
    • Heh, I'd support that. : LoioshDwaggie
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  :( : DewFuel
  • i 2nd this :( :( :( : i poop from there
  • Indeed :( : timm
• Received any sympathy cards yet? There has to still be some hope for Duke... : zyklonbee
• DNF will remain on my "Wanted List". : Dr_Cube
• NEVER FORGET, dognose....NEVER FORGET! : Borzoi
• :'( : [7]kami
• /massive massive massive hug : wieder
• :( : moshman
• I feel with you :( : MatzL.E.
• I want you to get your game one day :| : r_picmip 5
• Always have hope! It may not be the end just yet. *odd manhug* : freakynipples69
• I'll be your duke nukem... : voodooraze
• You were the first person I thought of when I first heard the horrible news. It was this weird double wh... : Vorlonesque

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• They were self funded, so as long as they still had money they could continue. I can't explain why they ... : OmegaRed59
• I think it was only in full scale development for around 5years? : Topaz

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  I would be shocked if they spent that much. How did you break this down? Because I know that 3DR was p... : Porkasaurus
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    Here is my break down: At it's most conservative, 20 employees at $50k average a year costs $1 million... : deathofrats
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      That isn't a bad break down. I think 50k a year average after benefits is high and also, 10 years ago the... : Porkasaurus
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        If they were stocking sub $50k artists and programmers it's no wonder nothing came out. Last year artists... : Floppygrandma
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          well designers and testers and interns don't make as much so i was factoring that in. If I went with tho... : deathofrats
          • Designers actually average about the same as artists. Hopefully they weren't stocking testers for the ... : Floppygrandma
    • It costs a lot more than $50k to pay an employee $50k. You have to pay FICA and unemployment insurance a... : badspot
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    You guys aren't factoring in WoW subscriptions. : rosewood
    • lol. makes sense. : ihya
    • That is true. Also hookers and cocaine. Seriously, they said it themselves in this interview. ht... : shurcool

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• finally someone got it right :) i was working too on a game that was never released for 3 years - and... : fw_rams

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• You're in denial. It's OK. : michaelleung
• No it's 3D Realms fail. : SFtheWolf

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  I still haven't picked up 50 Cent : Blood on the Sand but it looked like a serious contender. : socksta
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    You're correct though, closest I can even think of is SiN, hell after Duke protagonists lost the ability ... : socksta
    • Don't forget Roddy Piper. : heartsauce
    • Protagonists in Max Payne, Crysis or Call of Juarez can speak, among others. : Meadows.TR
  • It was actually a really good game, and I'm not saying that just because I worked on it lol : ColoradoCNC
  • 50 Cent: BOTS is pretty good. Its not as funny as Duke, definitely not as interactive, but it is way the : Serpico74
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  MS will fund it, make it a 360 exclusive. PC gamers have a coronary. : Godhatesfatpeople
  • This wouldn't surprise me, MS did the same with Bungie after Halo was in development hell for years. They : Serpico74
  • I'm already looking forward to The Shack comments : Durajim
  • Although this is the best thing people could hope for at this point. : Pettytheft
  • Rather, a GFW exclusive. : zehh

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• Jeez... I looked over the internal page while listening to this... *cries* : supamart
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  More like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZcG0NBMcDA : pharoah mike
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    More like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqAypbgaUKM : [7]kami
    • Wheres the whole video of that? : Ziz
  • I wonder, when they were recording those songs, did they ever think to themselves that they would be anyt... : Schnapple
• LoL. Fitting. : Pettytheft