Analyst Predicts Next-Gen Consoles Coming in 2013, HD Wii in 2010

Good time to buy a console. Refurb 360's are incredibly cheap a lot of the time, don't know about PS3's....

people who care about graphics are starting to have a problem with the difference between console and pc graphics

and yearly this difference will increase

side note: I'd like everyone to engage in a little thought exercise, and discuss what Pachter means by 2013 "if at all."

I'm ready for new consoles now. Or at least new versions. A 360 that looks more attractive, runs cooler and quieter, would be totally ok.

For the last time it's called the SuperWii.

Um. No. More like 2011ish.

If they come in 2013, I expect a serious next gen console. featuring everything from raytrace, video on demand, virtual reality, stereotopic. etc.. everything 100 times more powerful than current. Geometry will always be the future (and detail/material textures).

how about this food for thought:

If we think of titles in terms functionality there are two major parts, the game logic/networking/AI and then the graphics system.

Theoretically there isn't anything that CANT be done on the non graphics side with current hardware (PS3/360/PC).

If you think in terms of de-coupling the graphics, what can you NOT do with them algorithmically? They all deliver a pretty staggering number of raw instructions per second.

So if you were to compare what is being delivered today on current platforms in contrast to whats possible on "tomorrows" platforms, you would find that the big differentiation is the graphics or visual fidelity. The rest of the games programming could conceivably run very comfortably on today's hardware.

So I have to ask, why haven't they (MS, Sony, Nin) embraced an architecture where the graphics are decoupled from the rest of the core programming in a way that could provide linear scaling of visual fidelity?

This way you could support several different generations of console with one title.


(yes, PC ALREADY does this but it would work even better on a console because programmers wont have to test it on a staggering number of hardware combination's)

so what are they gonna call them this time ? NEXT-NEXT-Gen ??

They need to come out with Next-Gen now.

Todays Xbox-360 and PS-3 games look so bland and graphicly un-impressive.

Was thinking lately if there was a way to make a counsel last longer without forcing people to upgrade and then this headline came out. What does Shack think of the following idea:

- Basically there would be a cartridge like removable system memory cartridge slot on the 360 and ps3 that could be upgraded like the harddrive.
- The idea would be say in 2 years (thinking after half its life span) of the life cycle the user could buy a ram upgrade that would double triple the system ram.
- This would allow new games to add a mode that would unlock high rez textures and resolution for future titles. If not you would still play the game at the original spec 720p medium textures.
- Also old games would benefit with faster frame rates for the games that stress the current system configs.

Anyone know why oh why do the companies not do this yet (it would be a perfect model for the 360)????? I really see no down side what so ever and I think personally having higher resolution games and textures would go a very long way if you consider the long life span of the consoles.

Currently I have to admit my PC is slowly getting better version of its counters, but could you imagine the difference by 2012(4 years computer time)? Or have we reached a stage of quality where people are happy and only PC owners would be the ones that care or know the difference?

Anyways food for thought, I hope the next 360 and PS use this model.

this is the type of article that will bring out the most retarded internet people so they say the most ridiculous things

what the hell is that headline photo of?

HD Wii with a blue ray player would be sexy.

Im still holding out for the Phantom.

"Analyst knows dick, tosses out random horse shit."

4 years from now would make a 6 to 7 year total cycle I spose (what's that 7 for 360 and 6 for PS3?)
I can support that a little more than I can a 4 / 5 year cycle!

My take, FWIW as an armchair analyst fag, who listens to podcasts more than games nowadays.
There's a plethora of reasons to string this cycle out.

*Sony and MS lost a shitload bringing out these new consoles, be it R&D, Marketing, Support / Warranties or whatever, they put their books in quite the red and they need to re-coup the losses, the longer they keep selling these as they become cheaprer to make the better.
Also to be honest - I think they both rushed the PS3 and the 360 out, they would likely want a 'rest' right about now.

*The economic crises is going to fuck them too, they can't be rushing out products to dipshit consumers ready to snap things up, sure the 'elite' on this messageboard might be inclined to buy a new console every 3 years but the real world doesn't work like that

*Diminishing returns in both graphics and technology:
The graphics of the last round is still kinda good (seriously! Fire up God of War 2 with component cables, fire up Fable or FFX12, Halo 2 - the last round is actually not that bad - dimishing returns are starting to kick in)
The last round had networking, hard disks - as does this round.
We've got wireless controllers, 'internet active' consoles, patching games, high def movie and game playback.
Sure the odd game can't be done in full 1080p at 60frames but I tell you the jump from 720p 30fps to 1080p 60fps isn't going to be much compared to say N64 vs Xbox 1 for example.

*Also on the bottom dollar thing, it cost so much to buy into this round it might take longer to make that cash back, no matter how big the market becomes.


Now I'm not poor, I've got cash but there's something I thoroughly HATE about a new console generation, it's exciting and stuff but it's annoying as shit too, the flame wars are even worse than what you see now, the speculation, the research I have to do (as a wanker) to find out what's best to buy, it's really difficult and time consuming.
I can absoloutely afford 3x600$ new consoles, it's not a problem but my TV cabinet, my existing library, my HDMI / Component inputs all say to me 'fuck you!'
I really stand by my opinion that both the PS2 and the Xbox 1 could've been milked another 6 to even 12 months - the amazing games all came in the last 12 months. Microsoft rushed their cocks off for Xmas 06 (look how the fuck that worked out :( ... ) and no fanboy bullshit here from me - Sony, despite having longer time to release their new console made such a clusterfuck of the news / PR announcements / launch and initiail system features that it seemed rushed (!) even if it was out a year before the Xbox and came AFTER the 360! (wtf!)
I'd rather have a well thought out machine with good features, support and reliability from the get go, I was happy with my XB1 and PS2 when the 360 came out, Iwas still happy with them when the PS3 came out.
There's so many goddamn good games now, I still have PS2 and XB1 games to finish - so the longer this generation lasts, the better as far as I'm concerned.

Disclaimer: I don't research or even think about Nintendo, having owned a Wii now and sold it they are completely and utterly not targetting my demographic, I guess they might do a HD Wii before Sony and MS do a new system but I doubt it'll even have the features of the PS3 and 360.
Many tech geek Nintendo fans have in the past 2 years really railed on the Wii and Nintendo's focus and I can't blame them - they are simply not aiming for the tech geek demographic, also - I know some people disagree but having done some podcast listening and reading, Nintendo really do seem to re-hash the same fucking game time and time and time again (be it gameboy, GB colour, DS, GC or Wii) - they recycle old yet fun games - which is fine but.... god there's a lot of recycling in their catalogue.
Good luck to them too I guess - HD Wii will likely be within 3 years (my guess) and backwards compatible, since the hardware is so cheap, being 8 years old or whatever it is.

Wii is still selling like hotcakes. I don't see any reason for Nintendo to retool it for HD. Not by 2010 anyway. I can see a "next-gen" Wii coming in 2011 or 2012 though. That'll be 5 years.

Analyst is the greatest job ever. You pull shit out of your ass and get paid for it. Whether or not that shit is based on anything is unimportant.

Now only thing console people gotta hope is the Mayan's where wrong with the world ending at 2012.. anyway, i dunno how analyst predicts stuff, if its random or research it well.. but always feels like most games have pointed out here.. its just random stuff out of their a**

the world will end before there's a new console, seriously.

Wii HD? where did that come from?

I guess new Wii hardware would also give Nintendo the opportunity to ditch the gamecube support (see: DSi), while increasing the price.

ya, i agree that HD is the way to go. Hi Res graphics all the way... but the detail in texures lighting etc, doesnt always make the game. Although id rather have good sound/lighting in a game than detailed textures any day. The most important aspect is the gameplay... and thats what the wii is... untill your tired of waving a wand around, and that most games are either the same or simply stupid/boring as hell doesnt help.

You could pik up a waving tiger electronics and do just as good with a majority of the wii software. If such a thing even exists.

Unless theres real innovation and perhaps better hardware to elevate that innovation, i dont see the wii going that far.

Though i felt the same way when it first launched so...

why is this news.? slow day

HD Wii sounds good, 1080p+AA will make many wii games look great. Hell N64 games on emulators look good at high resolution with AA.