Team Fortress 2 Update Adds Multicore Rendering

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• I agree with you ZLoth. I've also been trying to think of what kind of weapon/item updates Valve could... : gimpi

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  What?? Vale are WAY behind, multicores have been out for YEARS : spaceyme
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    Multicores have been out for a couple of years, but support has not. A lot of games don't support it stil... : coolbreezr
    • Yes, this. : Godhatesfatpeople
    • but a lot do, which was my point. : spaceyme
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      Supreme Commander supported up to 4, or even 8 cores I believe, and was released back in 2007 I think. St... : Skyburst101
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        no, not really. SupCom always had piss-poor multi-core performance. A faster dual core always performed b... : MikkleThePickle
        • As is the case with many games -- it's easier to maximize two cores than four or more. (At least that'... : fffortune
        • sup com just shifted sound and ai onto differant cores. They still ened up waiting on eache other. It was... : eyegeegeewhy
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  is this comment sarcasm? : phinn
  • fanboyism : mega man
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  Multicore gaming has been around for over ten years. The original Quake supported it. : RumpleForeSkin72
  • Carmack has a multi-core brain. : theflux
  • no it didn't; not natively anyway. But Quake 4 does via a patch. : special agent smith
  • Which sci-fi novel did you get that from? : Meadows.TR
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    Quake 3 had SMP support which is quite different as the multicore thing, before that none game had anythi... : FTY
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      Falcon 4.0 supported SMP. It was out a year before Quake 3. : schnitz76
      • I should have said none "Quake" game had anything like that, as it was a debate about Quake having multi-... : FTY
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  You don't think the developers working on the 360 and PS3, where if you don't use multiple cores your gam... : nudel
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    Remember that Valve ported Half-Life 2 and the Orange Box to the 360 themselves. They know all about mul... : qsylvr
    • Blargh, I got mixed up. DX9 on the PC doesn't expose command buffers, that's a 360 DirectX thing. Still... : qsylvr
• Valve does everything first. And better than others. I thought you all knew. : Pettytheft

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• It blows...? Your mom.... Anyway, a lot of dual cores/quad cores sacrifice speed in favor of more thr... : TerranUp16
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  How about for testing purposes? Also TF2 is not a shitty game, have fun with K2 shitty controls. : ant_hillbilly
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    By K2 do you mean KZ2? And they patched the controls weeks ago and they are perfect now. Anyway, i te... : phinn
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      wtf? the controls were patched? i haven't touched that goddamn piece of shit since dumping too much time ... : nevlos
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        you own the ps3 version? lawlz : vertdang
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          Is there another version of KZ2? : CyCo_PL
          • Think Vert missed the KZ2 part and thought he was talking about TF2 PS3. : TerranUp16
• Try playing on servers with good players. You get a lot more appreciation for how good this game is. : Lanru
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  uh, I played on 16v16 servers and this game definetly doesnt run great maxed out. : chilln
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    That's because you are playing on 16v16 servers. Please stop butchering the game. : Wisp!
    • IAWTP : mrseldowski
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      I think most any fps game is fun with more people. the chaos is fun. : chilln
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        The chaos ruins any semblance of skill, teamwork, organization, tactics, etc. Basiclally anything that ma... : Wisp!
        • I've had plenty of great 16v16 games where teamwork has managed to turn the tide. In a 16v16 game it's t... : TerranUp16
• It runs better. There's no disadvantage to higher FPS ever. : Link.
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  Multi-cores have been around for a while. Not everyone runs it maxed out. Especially with 1920x1200 monit... : Bamtan
  • Guess what: until DirectX 11 becomes the standard, you can't accelerate rendering by throwing more cores ... : Meadows.TR
• Where do idiots like you come from? I've never seen you in the chatty threads. God damn the front pag... : kpxkrnjc
• Please to be posting a lot less or not at all, thanks. : moneyshot
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  They are doing this to get the code right for their *next* games, not so much for their current ones. ... : nudel
  • That and their platform ALLOWS them to make these changes across the board to existing games. - L4D is... : MeestaNob
• I don't know what you're talking about. I get a nice performance boost with this patch. : qwplayer
• Yea I can run it just fine, but there were times where the FPS would dip to 30-45 FPS...going from 85 FPS... : Jimbo Ro

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  valve games have probably had tens or hundreds of different on-exit bugs : Luminair
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    But we still love them because the before-exit experience is so good. : Meadows.TR
    • i haven't experienced this bug. then again i haven't closed tf2 since last july : DewFuel
• Since I get a crash on exit all the time on 32 bit vista I doubt that this particular patch fixes it. : jccalhoun
• That's a source engine issue. Not TF2, specifically. : K1Bond007
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  I like to think that Valve's code for exiting games is simply "return 0;" and that there's no housekeepin... : Spectracide[PAK9]
  • void main (void)! : quanta88
  • More like exit(0). : timmie
• The only thing they need to do to "fix" it is to supress the crash dialog box. If it weren't for that it... : qsylvr
• I'm glad they fixed this too. It wasn't a serious bug though, since it didn't affect the gameplay at all.... : GenBanks

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  might have to boot camp it up - doesn't steam only function under windows? or is there a good way around ... : xsoulbrothax
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    nono i was talking about boot camp. Valve and apple apparently dont have much of a relationship so thats ... : drnen
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      Boot camp is definitely not the only way. CrossOver is supposed to support Team Fortress 2 : chekote
      • ive used crossover before and it never worked as well as bootcamp. something was always 'off' with the au... : drnen
• "Octo-core"? Does that require in vitro fertilization? : Apathy Curve
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  Yeesh, $3300 for a dual proc PC? Nock off a grand an you can get a Dell or HP with the same specs.. : oscrogo
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    hah yes i'm well aware of the mac cost argument so save your breath. Like i said, i didnt get it for game... : drnen
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      No I get the reasoning behind getting one (work reasons) but it's more a knock on Apple themselves than a... : oscrogo
      • Yeah probably would because you could put in some better parts that apple doesn't sell currently. With t... : ease one
      • its all pretty comparable between OS's i believe. The next osx is supposed to take more advtg of multicor... : drnen
• I haven't tried the new build, but I never had many crash bugs really on my 8-core with the older TF2 bui... : Fayk

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• They did a piece on what they were doing with the technology a long time ago, but the short answer is no.... : theflux
• That happens already in every game, it's called double-buffering. In fact, in many games it is desirable... : bipolar

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  I remember Gabe coming out saying he and Valve weren't going along with it because he said there was no r... : Godhatesfatpeople
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    Really? I seem to remember they had a PowerPoint presentation and everything gushing about how four cores... : Schnapple
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      I wish I could find the article. It started off with them talking about why they were going to stop devel... : Godhatesfatpeople
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        http://www.edge-online.com/news/quotyour-existing-code-throw-it-awayquot Source has used multicore for... : donjuancarlos
        • as a bit of an addendum, my spectacularly unscientific 'look at task manager while games are running' peg... : xsoulbrothax
        • Ah, thanks then. I got things mixed up and wrong :P : Godhatesfatpeople
• well mutli-threading support has been in the TF2 version of the Source engine since a couple months after... : shznit

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  what monitor do you have that allows you to get 85fps with v-sync? Stupid LCDs all refresh at 60hz, my De... : Finchypoo
  • Its a Mitsubishi Diamond Pro. it's a 4:3 monitor but it supports 16:9 and 16:10 resolutions up to 2048... : Jimbo Ro
  • Samsung 2233rz and Viewsonic VX2265WM are true 120hz LCD monitor, they are light years better than any LC... : shznit
• as a fellow crt user lemme give you some advice (Sony GDM-FW900 for EVER). first, the source engine does... : shznit

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  If it's the same as the L4D implementation I would leave it off as it's been the cause of lots of stutter... : synapse19
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    Well I never used it in L4D since it runs so smoothly already. My experience with the multi-core use in T... : Godhatesfatpeople
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      I think it may be enabled by default because I don't remember ever turn it on in L4D, just turning it off... : synapse19
      • Interesting. I didn't know that. Then that means TF2's code needs some work then. Because L4D runs butter... : Godhatesfatpeople
      • It is enabled by default, and on my Core2Duo box the stuttering with it enabled has improved a lot with t... : CasbahBoy
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    The problems with multicore rendering in L4D was an nvidia driver issue and to my knowledge has been fixe... : killerdeathman
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      guess what, it's not fixed. I'm using newest drivers along with an e8500 and a 9800gtx+ =( : leadgold
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        Not having an issue in either L4D or TF2 with my GTX 280 (even with the heavy OC0). The 182.06 drivers g... : TerranUp16
        • I tried running TF2 with multicore on... and it worked! So I'm a happy camper in that area. l4d still ... : leadgold
  • its since been fixed so turn it on :) : niceguynick
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    i had the stuttering issues with l4d when i ran xp... with win 7 installed i could use that option withou... : sanewave
    • DirectX 10 in my L4D? MADNESS!!!! : raxtor
• my frame rate went WAY up but now its crashtastic as all fuck. I havent been able to play more than 5 min... : mega man
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  Yea, it dropped my framerate a bit, i disabled it then quit : phinn
  • It drops your max frame rate, but your min and average go up a lot. I got around a 20 FPS boost in 32 ... : TheIneffableBob
• It actually enhanced my performance, better framerate. No noticeable stuttering... got a Core2Duo E6400 : LordHellMaX
• my fps went down significantly. probably gonna leave it off : eeeealmo
• Crashed to desktop for me after around 15min. : scary_monster
• My FPS was noticeably higher then started to get choppy. I'll see how this progress then try again later. : MeestaNob
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  Okay, play for 3 hours straight and no problems or any crashing. Looks like Valve is on the right path he... : Godhatesfatpeople
  • played* : Godhatesfatpeople

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• Q6600 8 gigs Vista 64 8800 GPU no crash after playing for over an hour. : Jimbo Ro
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  what driver were you using? : killerdeathman
  • wouldnt be surprised if this was the common factor : dantastic
  • That would be my guess too... probably an old driver. : Shadowdane
  • The notebook (T7700/8600m GT) is using 179.48. (Feb 09) I'm not at home, but I'm pretty sure other desk... : calculon68
• E6600/8GB/Vista 64 SP1/8800GTS 640MB believe i'm using the official drivers from the beginning of marc... : dantastic
• E9650/4GB/Vista64 SP1/HD4870X2 x 2 ... no issues. Not really noticing a difference in frame rate, though ... : TrickSh0t

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• Ignore main page comments. It's a retard convention. : SockMonkeh

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• I have an Opteron 175 (at 2.6ghz) First time I ran it with multicore rendering it crashed after a few ... : slackshoe

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• aah, thanks. will check if it's true as i dont really trust valve :) : anal justice

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• with or without multicore enabled! good times : fried rice

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• I'd be interested to know this too rendering usually doesn't scale well across multiple cores sense issui... : johnlocks