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  2.3 will probably come out in about 3-4 weeks. : changejar419
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    Oh, and the healing = damage thing is bullshit. : changejar419
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      As a healer I will just disagree with you. : Evil Benius
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        I am a healer too. I think it's bogus. If you want gear to do 2 different things...you should have to g... : changejar419
        • I already have two sets of gear for healing and tanking. I really should not need a third just for grindi... : Evil Benius
        • What? Healers won't be doing raid dps or anything. Healer specs still suck for damage, and healing gear... : nurglich
        • Lots of healers already have many different sets depending on the fight. Sta gear, Regen gear, etc, and t... : rhuntley12
        • I don't think the +DMG increase on healing gear is going to upset the balance as much as people seem to t... : Ajax
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      What is this? Are we going to have shadow priests running around with 1600+ dmg now? : slax0r
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        Shadow priests already run around with a ton of +damage and this will not really change them at all since... : Evil Benius
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          Bad example. I guess a better question would be would mages be tempted to roll on healing gear since the... : slax0r
          • Only 1/3 of the healing bonus is added to damage. http://drunkanddangerous.com/?q=node/927 : lightsam
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            Not really since the +damage is only 1/3 of the +heal and the other stats on the item would be pretty use... : Evil Benius
            • Ah, I guess that answers that. Not too bad. Also I see that Evocation isn't tied to spirit anymore. Th... : slax0r
            • Yeah, the only possible "bad" effect of this is arena healers' Smites/LBs won't be quite as impotent. An... : nurglich
    • It'll make Leotheras less interesting for healers. Not like we have a problem with him anyway, but sti... : walker270
    • Anyone who thinks stacking +heal gear to get the 1/3rd damage is going to make a holy priest an OP'd dama... : SenorSpine
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    3-4 Weeks? It just hit the ptr late last week. 2.3 is a fairly substantial change. I'd be surprised ... : walker270
    • I'd say late November - early December is about right. : wanker67
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  There was a post about it earlier. Lower xp requirements per level and more xp from quests? : lightsam
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    20-60 less exp and 30-60 quests give more xp i think : rhuntley12
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      I am lvl 62 and I need like 650,000 xp to lvl up. It seems like I am going to take forever to get there! : risimage
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        Just do all the Burning Crusade quests. It's fun and it doesn't take very long at all, really. : Goncyn
        • Save the quests for 70, do instance runs. : lightsam
      • 60-70 really doesn't take long at all. If you play a few hours a day it probably only takes a couple hour... : rhuntley12
• Lots of discussion here: http://www.fohguild.org/forums/mmorpg-general-discussion/31229-wow-2-3-test-pat... : skizl
• no way 2.3 is coming out today. I don't even play anymore, but I know that much! :) : slickdoody
• no. it was just put on ptr a few days ago and will remain on there for weeks if not months, before going ... : Ziggurat
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  today I xfer to Malganis to begin my Arena career there. HOORAYS : multisync
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    YAY!!! Paid Character Transfer Complete! The characters below have now been transferred succe... : multisync
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      Do I want to pay $27 US dollars to play WoW with GCR? What a tough question. : Patch-e
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        You sure as shit do. If not for our (And by our, I mean people other than me) TK clearing badassery, you ... : Entity
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          raids mean nothing to me! I just want some casual arena and reg/heroic 5mans : Patch-e
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            This is my style as well, actually. I don't have the time to commit to the ridiculous poopsocking require... : Entity
            • shit I need to farm the money for my main's epic flying still... takes foreverrrrrrr : Patch-e
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            transfer tonight and we can start off with some 2v2s while they raid from 6-10server time OMFG THATS A LO... : multisync
            • I am really thinking about the transfer. weee look at my armory, I got my first piece of merc armor th... : Patch-e
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              Pussies. We raid 7-12. :( : atom519
              • jesus christ what? EST? every night? : multisync
    • Welcome! I play BG's. : DM7
    • Awesome! See you soon man. : eb9k
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  ha ha, it appears engineers will soon be able to craft their own flying mount: http://www.wowinsider.com/... : Home Nugget
  • yea its awesome, the material list for the epic requires a hula girl doll which goes on the dashboard : multisync
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    The recipe will probably be nearly impossilbe to get I bet. : Pneum0
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      or just a small quest like Epic Flight Form LOL. I had my Druid Flight form less than 4 hours after the s... : Slowtreme
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        poopsocker alert : JINKY
        • more like easy quest line : Slowtreme
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        I thought it was trainable at an engineering dude... : walker270
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          The non-epic engineer flyer is trainable. I think you've got to complete a quest in order to learn the ep... : Ajax
          • I think both are trainable, but either way it's not too hard. My friend had it shortly after getting his ... : jonas54
  • Oh man... I laughed so hard when I saw it, but I'm not sure I want one. Looks so goofy I thought it was g... : mystifier
  • I really want to see what a Tauren looks like in that chopper : bad_fish
• I think they're also making some changes to some old dungeon & quest items to beef them up or get them mo... : action wombmate
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  Much needed hunter pvp love, god damn I can't wait for the full details. and yea expect to wait anothe... : Superbuick26
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    the pvp stuff for hunters is pretty damn stupid Arcane Shot Dispelling Possible stuff Aimed shot h... : multisync
    • hunters are terrible, they need something : Patch-e
    • Yeah the changes really do nothing to address the complaints that hunters have. Also a big WTF to Arcane ... : Evil Benius
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      No min range? Come on, you know like me that's not gonna happen. I think they're going to reduce it thoug... : mystifier
      • first time in all of my wowing i ever got wyvern stung was in some arena recently, i was like WTF IS THIS... : multisync
• just reboots, there wasn't any minor patch or anything : Patch-e
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  Join us on the 2.3 PTR. This is my first time playing on the PTR and it is quite fun. AV is quite diff... : Patch-e
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    i say rogues need a 5 sec cooldown on all abilities. because they don't CoS often enough : multisync
    • That didn't help much against warlocks when I used to play. : lightsam
    • tell us where the rogue touched you : Patch-e
    • mmmm Warlock tears taste so sweet. : SenorSpine
• Not a chance on 2.3. It will probably release 3-4 weeks after it is in the blizzard downloader. : pigvomit
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  Well the first note is that there is Voice Chat now. Is that new with this particular patch or is it som... : Galadriel07
  • its been in for a few weeks now since 2.2 : multisync
  • sorry this is for patch 2.2.0 : Galadriel07
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    In my experience it is way too quiet and even with everyone maxing their settings it can be hard to hear ... : Evil Benius
    • Hrm. I really want to renew my subscription now. Mebe I can get my husband to do it for me today. : Galadriel07
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  I'll ask here, I'm an aspiring shadow priest - my gear mostly sucks until I finish making my new stuff, b... : Chunks
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    You'll get a minor damage increase from any healing gear you might be wearing. That's about it. : Ajax
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      Good. At least I don't have to threaten to cancel. Once I get a few more heroic keys (yay faction grin... : Chunks
      • i miss my shadow priest so much :( tempted to make a new one but i can't bear to level up a priest AG... : multisync
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    it mostly means you can finish crafting your gear, run some heroics and get some insane badge rewards and... : johnny rotten
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      Yeah I really have no idea what they were thinking when they added in the new badge items without requiri... : Evil Benius
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        The new badge stuff pisses me off. I play a feral druid, so my job is to show up to raids, do my job, : walker270
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          I really think they need to build the token idea straight into the loot tables. Like when a boss drops an... : FlatlineDixay
          • Or make badges for all boss kills, and give additional items for what they consider "off-specs" to vendor... : walker270
  • shadow priests dont get much a diff this patch. Its mostly tailored to non shadow types. : Iwannaacura
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    meditation effect has been doubled to 30% so you won't have as much of a mana issue if you're night el... : Draugluin
    • oh and fear ward, but you'll probably just apply it once before the pull then go into shadow form : Draugluin
• dood. ghey. srly. : Antilles_Prime

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  The 360 isn't doomed. The biggest thing the 360 has going for it, Live, hasn't been copied by either Sony... : mancide
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    Dooooomed : Kaerof
    • as said in a grandpa simpson voice. : j0nchan
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  i stopped reading after they said BIoware was responsible for the MGS series o_O : -=kodiak=-
  • oh lol, mgs as in mcirosoft game studios, not metal gear solid. : -=kodiak=-
  • You should read more MGS = Microsoft Game Studios... : Jonathan
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    "When EA made its announcement not even a week later, that BioWare—makers of the MGS titles ... : AndyGoin
    • yea, i know... durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr : -=kodiak=-
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  I do find it interesting that shortly after Peter Moore leaves so do many big studio. In fact too of the... : chazums
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    On top of that MS are desperate to turn a profit in it's game division so maybe they didn't have the read... : chazums
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      Huh? Are you saying the MS Gaming division doesn't have the money to buy a studio like BioWare? : Fred Garvin
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        I can't believe they spent $350+ million on Rare.. And $35 million on Bungie. :? : AndyGoin
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          Rare was kicking ass when purchased. Not so hot after. : sigpro
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            .......... What? Rare hasn't been good since they were making N64 games. Viva Pinata is the lone e... : sevogajre
            • That's exactly what I said in not so many words. When MS bought them they had released 8 kick ass games o... : sigpro
        • At the time there was a huge difference in the value of the companies. Rule of thumb is about 3 years rev... : Fred Garvin
  • The only studio that "left" was Bungie. FASA was shut down and BioWare only has publishing deals with MS. : Fred Garvin
• lol at the use of "flee". More sensationalized "news" from the media : byorn
• Wait what? Bioware is not a microsoft company....they make games for the PC as well. They were never tied... : avatar_58
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  Wow way to blow things out of the water. Bioware has never been just an Xbox dev. Bungie wasn't just an... : melkore
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    Well, that's the crux of the article, the fact that MSG as an entity is losing these companies and is lon... : AndyGoin
    • lol MSG = MGS : AndyGoin
    • I think Microsoft left them alone because they worked better without someone over their shoulder. They h... : melkore
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  Could I please get paid to take a dump and leave it as "insight into console wars"? WTF!? : Sylvanus
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    Wait, Nai Croal has always been an incompetent fool. : Sylvanus
    • Huh? He doesn't come across that way to me at all, and I've been reading his blog for a couple months no... : sevogajre
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      I completely disagree. I do think this "devs fleeing from 360?" article is pretty worthless, though. : Sexpansion Pack
      • I might have been overly harsh. I have yet to read an article of his that I think is good. That doesn't... : Sylvanus
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    ? I don't get this, he's simply saying that MS hasn't been so much into buying companies lately and has ... : AndyGoin
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      Sensationalist writer. If I'm a successful dev that doesn't have an exclusive agreement for all my title... : Sylvanus
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        But you didn't adrdess my question and the whole theme of his article which is the fact that MS at one po... : AndyGoin
        • He is a sensationalist writer. At the very least, this is a sensationalist article. 1.) Bioware was n... : Sylvanus
        • Off the top of my head I can think of....Resident Evil 5, and GTA 4 Mass effect. Nothing else really. But... : Jackass1233
        • I'll give you one: Marvel Online (via Cryptic) What PS3 exclusives are you looking forward to? Everyone... : Sylvanus
    • Bungie did well. FASA didn't and they never had stakes in BioWare or Bizzare. : Fred Garvin
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  I don't understand why they don't have a bigger first party. : Boxelder
  • maybe they felt it cost too much and they weren't getting the results they wanted. Rare's work is a good ... : edgewise
• Microsoft EA Xbox360. : robotsincharge
• Leaving Microsoft doesn'y mean games magically stop being made for the 360 : Fox n Panther
• I wonder how well the first generation X720 games will do. : stgdz
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  Yup I was right: http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=8193785#itemanchor_8193785 : EvilDolemite
  • Aye. :) Nice work. : Sylvanus
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  Why is everyone shitting on this article? He makes the perfectly reasonable point that MGS are a bit of a... : aeg1x
  • His article has plenty of over-reactionary remarks. : Sylvanus
• It sounds to me that microsoft is realizing that owning the hotest first party game companies isnt a good... : trevis

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  2k isn't too shabby, congrats! : dahanese
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    wait a minute here : trOmblyj
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      Messages within messages... : Jonathan
      • LOL : dahanese
  • I agree, omitting all the other information you give, 2.1k increase after 9.5 months is really good. : MoreVespeneGas
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  I guess I'm doing well for the area... you can buy houses here for like 40-60k, fucking sad, same ones wo... : .ka`boom.zZz.
  • How is that sad? : Kaerof
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    where in maryland are you? Near PA or down by the water. : gmd
    • near pa, western part. : .ka`boom.zZz.
• 7% is pretty good : FrayLo
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  7% raise after 9 months is not small. : gmd
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    well the thing about it is, i work at a nonprofit, and well, there is essentially no advancement here, bu... : .ka`boom.zZz.
    • but there are benefits, first year here and I earn 3 weeks worth of PTO, and I get 2 weeks paid christmas... : .ka`boom.zZz.
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  I'm making pennies as a genetic analyst in Rockville, MD. It was a rude awakening for me because I was b... : arizona bay
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    i've looked at rockville and bethesda man, so expensive down there... : .ka`boom.zZz.
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      You should try Arlington, it is fantastic ! : gmd
      • one of my best friends just got a job in Arlington actually, hes making 50, apparently everyone laughs at... : .ka`boom.zZz.
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  It all depends on where you are and what you're doing. 30k does seem pretty paltry, but given the area an... : Sniper21
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    how did you research your data? : flubba79
    • Salary sites like salary.com and payscale.com : Sniper21
• My first IT job was a one year contract for 26.5k/yr and my new job is 34k/yr which is pretty good in sm... : melkore
• Holy christ, just looked up the median household income for my city and it's 44k, my wife and I make almo... : mattfl
• I made $7.50 an hour at my first job outta school. My second job double me up to $26k a year and I got a ... : ultramega
• The only way to get a bigger raise than 10% is to switch companies or switch to another job within your c... : oo7|bond
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  Median household income in the US is something like $48K. That baffles me. Half of all households are u... : EvilDolemite
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    It's probably not really half, the results would be super-skewed from people making people making x billi... : hawkeye
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      I think you are thinking of average, not median. : riptyde
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        he didn't do so well in statistics class. : laurgasms
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          dont be so mean : boring gegtik
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            lol, stats humor : jlavrenz
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              It's a standard deviation for the Shack... : Jonathan
              • only when we're in that mode : Prozium
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    you have to consider the cost of living in many places is far below what many of us are used to, making t... : sexninja!!!!
    • You left out the part where Mossad sends $500k to your swiss bank account every 3 months. : gmd
    • the surrounding area here really is quite bad economically, our biggest employers in the area are medical... : .ka`boom.zZz.
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    wouldn't this mean the median avg income in the us is 24k? : .ka`boom.zZz.
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      Not every household has two incomes sources and even if they did, no. : godwit
      • well, yea true, im not thinking clearly. : .ka`boom.zZz.
• it gets better: my first job was <25k, 7 years later its many times that : filthysock
• me - almost exactly the same story - although I've now been here for 3 years, and do twice as much as whe... : flagg209

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  I have the 1st 30 sec of that song as a ringtone, but I haven't uploaded it yet. Here's the one I made of... : voodooraze
  • lol holy shit the one you made is perfect : bozer
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    i'd never answer my phone if i had the song as my ring tone, i'd pump up the volume and just listen away : Demius
    • lol, I did that yesterday... I didn't want to hear it end. : voodooraze
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    good god thats annoying as fuck. : mega man
    • i agree, lol. : kainen1
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  http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=15309963#itemanchor_15309963 (The ring tone is one of the files in t... : davantalus
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    Thanks again to Spazzium I get the greatest looks when mine goes off. They think ILTC : davantalus
    • Bless you good sir for indulging my vanity search. DAVANTALUS :) : spazzium
  • sweetness, i was looking for some portal ringtones : grabbie
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    Which is the best one? I think "is anyone there" is the only one that makes much sense : bozer
    • There's a big edited file that's about 15 seconds. I think it's called portalring : davantalus
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    Adding these to http://helpmewithmygameproblems.com/wiki/Ringtones : mancide
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      hot! we need a lot more of these : Degenerate
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        I have a bunch, but I dunno how to add them. Here they are: Counter-Strike - Dust 2: http://www.nfligh... : helvetica
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          mancide add these too. Thanks helvy! : Degenerate
          • Done... : mancide
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          that first one is italy, not dust :( : ^-SeaWolf-^
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            It's not the song you hear near A on Dust 2? I could be getting it mixed up! : helvetica
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              it's the song from the market in italy. i don't know if it's still there in source but it was absolutely... : ^-SeaWolf-^
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                Hmm, I'll have to double check when I get home. I did have the file labeled "CSItaly", but I changed it b... : helvetica
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                  If it needs to be changed let me know, right now I still have the file labeled Dust2 like you did, but I ... : mancide
                  • Alrighty, thanks for adding the clips! : helvetica
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      anyone that has a motorola phone and doesnt have the moto-tool, send me a PM, there is a program that wil... : conandan
      • I just send myself the mp3s in a picture message and they work fine? : Yanks
      • I found a program the other day called P2Kcommander that works with my razr. I was able to pull all my pi... : Slowtreme
      • msg'd. : Fredrik S
      • is there anything out there for LG phones? using verizon :( this is the only thing i miss about my smartp... : maulla
  • I'm holding off on this until I get / beat Portal. : Ride-My-Rocket
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  I'm looking for a short SMS alert tone, maybe one of the turret voices? : liqker
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    I'd go with one of the balls from the end boss; "Hi!" : Deathlove
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      ooh i'll have to go digging for that : liqker
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        digging where??do you extract these from the game? or just find them randomly online somewhere? : agentlead
        • Get the gcf extractor ( http://nemesis.thewavelength.net/index.php?p=26 ) and then check out the gcf file... : liqker
• tagged portal ringtones. i need these on my phone. : handofthrawn
• Do you not even read my chatties? ;____( : geedeck
• Haha wow I did something similar to voodooraze as well http://phonezoo.com/ShowProfile.do?user=yay4charr... : yay4furryanimals
• I finished the game Sunday. I've actually been humming that son to myself ever since! : MorrisatCNN
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  An angry phone is the best kind: http://www.topoftheslide.net/misc/angrysphere.mp3 : Helter Skelter
  • some of mike patton's finest work : Deathlove
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  Not a ringtone, but I pulled this out of the Portal sound files. This is the full audio that the "cakemi... : Draugluin
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    holy shit this is hilarious, I missed this in game : pyros
    • three tablespoons.. rhubarb on fire, one large.. rhubarb, one cross boreholed electromagnetic imaging.. r : pyros

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  Maybe its just me, but joining a server to serve as cannon fodder for a clan working together just doesn'... : Jackass1233
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    I was thinking the same, except my ping is fine. : TreMetal
    • then let it be glorious when a rag tag shack group beats the west clan into submission /DM mode engage... : Downforce
  • it wasnt like that really - we had some of our team on the 'cannon fodder' side as well, and the matches ... : hirez
  • That's not what happened last week at all. We had some good, close matches. : NastyJack
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    i feel the same way. when you're on any server with a stacked team of clanners it's just saying we're no... : ^-SeaWolf-^
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      It seems like most servers are like this, though not necessarily a clan on one side.. just one team clobb... : TreMetal
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        well yeah, but come map change it's usually mixed up again so it doesn't necessitate continued clobbering... : ^-SeaWolf-^
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          I dont think that's the case here. at least it wasnt on Thursday. like I said below, we only meet twice a... : hirez
          • I hope to be there to call you all fags, it might be all the non-clanners can do : Downforce
          • no i know, i probably should have said something like that, it's the shack you're not all douchecocks, ju... : ^-SeaWolf-^
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    Calling our ragtag group a "clan" and saying that we work together is hardly an accurate description. Mor : lightly inclined
    • seriously. I think we're a 'loose affiliation of players that meet twice a week'. and damn you and your s... : hirez
  • They're just Shackers, how good could they possibly be? Hope I can make it tonight for a bit. : Johnny Law
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  also - reminder for brickmatt, Vangoghs Ear, Solstice, hashd, edgewise, str8dog, satansfist, Magus, mindm... : hirez
  • I'll do my best to bring the rocket gibs : hamachi
  • i'll be there. : mindmann
  • I will be there : Jayx77
  • wilco : Magus
  • I'll be there to get my ass handed to me yet again : Solstice
  • I will try my hardest to make it on time :[ if not, I'll see you guys on Dallas or wherever everyone end... : lowpoly
  • I'll poke the boy, but I'm pretty sure he already knew. Maybe I'll log on so he can smack me around. Th... : Zhaneel
• I'm in a poker tourney tonight, but if I bust early I'll be there. : skunk_ape
• i'll be there : entropy
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  9pm pacific is way too hard to make, but i guess it works for people on the west coast. : manero
  • tru dat.. I'd like to play, but that's past my bedtime. : g0nk
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  I'll be there to burn you motherfuckers, YEEEEAH!! >:D : Maddog_Delphi97
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    my heavy > ur pyro : Jayx77
    • my nuts > your face : Maddog_Delphi97
• I will be there. No question. And it's going to rock. : dmason
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  I'll try and be there later in the practice, but I'm supposed to go out and have alone time with the wife... : bcyde
  • thats cool man, no worries if you cant be there. : hirez
• where is that mic setup page again within steam? : dodob
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  I'll see if I can make it, Steam willing. : DOOManiac
  • Are you still having issues? Is it randomly allowing you to have fun now at least? : fleabug
• I wish shackeast existed : feek
• Life is on at 9pm damnit >:( : mikecyb
• Is it 9 pm PST right now? : Maddog_Delphi97

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  it is noticable for sure, but there is also some point beyond which it becomes pretty irrelevant locke... : Gauss
  • Pretty much, yeah. What I played was good. Getting there wasn't. : Conan
• I'm in your boat. As long as the game isn't stuttering I just don't really notice. : Kaerof
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  I think the human eye can see a maximum of 32fps. I'm going off of memory here so I could be wrong. : uglysad
  • Oh man, let's not start this discussion. : pyrogen
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    You're wrong. Turn a CRT monitor to 60 hz and witness the ensuing pain. : bipolar
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      ^^^ The horrors. : davantalus
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        I can last for maybe 30 minutes @ 60Hz refresh, my minimum is 75Hz, and I generally try to stay above 85H... : Hiro
        • I was able to do wtf crazy frequency like 120hz with my 8800gtx before I switched to LCD's. It was like s... : davantalus
        • I did not know that about LCDs. ...and the more you know! : Waffles!
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      How does an LCD refresh. I have no eye strain any more. (I used get bad eye strain at 100hz) : pigvomit
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        LCD's refresh only when needed and at the specified "response". : devi| dog
        • So every pixel refreshed individually instead of a vertical scan downward? : pigvomit
      • Pixel response time is what you're looking for with LCD monitors. Although manufacturers give very optim... : Matt Burris
  • It depends on the part of the eye. With peripheral vision I can see TVs flicker very clearly at 50 Hz, th... : jcupitt
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    Everytime someone says this, it cracks me the fuck up. I mean seriously, there are still people out ther... : Matt Burris
    • People accept a lot of things they hear without any sort of thought or analysis. : walker270
  • I heard somewhere, during class, that around 100hz is the optimal. Obviously, less will appear to be flue... : aaarrrgh
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    "The human eye has been proven to see up to 500 fps images in several controlled airforce studies. The co... : BlackCat9
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      http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=500+fps+air+force+studies&btnG=Google+Search DUH : FlatlineDixay
      • Actually, the bottom of this page references Air Force studies: http://amo.net/NT/02-21-01FPS.html : FlatlineDixay
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  30-60 is noticable, but 90 to 150? I doubt it. Isn't the human eye limited to seeing a certain framerat... : pigvomit
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    Not strictly, no. There have been studies that people have stronger reactions to very high FPS media, eve... : Conan
    • Also: Holy run-on sentence, Batman! Sorry about that. : Conan
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    If the eye has a frame rate then even *if* it reads in the entire image in front of it at exact and regul... : nudel
    • Haha, I want a "Brain Sync" option in games. : pigvomit
  • There's not a hard limit per se, but a series of diminishing returns. I'm sure at some point any further... : bipolar
  • No, tests with fighter pilots and the like have shown the human eye/brain can decode upwards of 200 uniqu... : Toraz Chryx
  • Not really... It mostly depends on movement in the scene, and how the images are captured. Television... : walker270
  • I've always found that 60fps is comfortable to me; down to 45 gets pretty noticeable; 30 is pretty annoyi... : FlatlineDixay
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  Back in Q3 days I could tell the difference between 200 and 260FPS. I'm sure I could tell the difference ... : Slowtreme
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    Yeah I can tell the difference between 8,952 FPS and 8,953 FPS fucking sucks. : VegasX
    • I'm not saying it sucks either way. I'm saying the game, the image, and the movement is noticeably differ... : Slowtreme
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    I'm pretty sure the human eye can't distinguish between the two. What you probably are noticing is the... : jason bergman
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      not to mention monitor refresh rate. don't LCDs update at 60hz? : cpt_gloval
      • they can go at higher rates but not usually at the max resolution... but still I don't know who is runnin... : steelsamurai
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        LOL exactly. People who claim this always make me laugh. An average FPS is actually a very misleading ... : terath
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          I didnt say it had anything to do with visuals. A lot of things are affected if the game is not fully unl... : Slowtreme
          • I did actually explain why you may see what you claim too. :) At any rate, capping the FPS shouldn't\... : terath
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    That's physically impossible more or less. Please don't post this kind of thing again. : the city
    • That is to say, your monitor was by all odds not updating at a rate that would make that difference even ... : the city
• 30-35 is good enough for me. Anything below 30 is not. : razlebol
• Just want to point this out that the Quake 3 engine ran faster in multiples of 70fps. It was strange but ... : pancake humper
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  But isn't this limited by your refresh rate? If my LCD is set to 60....I'm not going to see anything over... : Visceral Monkey
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    There's no refresh rate on LCD's. However, framerate can be limited if your VSYNC is enabled, but disabl... : Matt Burris
    • why does my driver care about refresh rate then when hooked up to an LCD monitor via digital connection? ... : steelsamurai
• my main problem is my eyes can't focus very well with this game. i don't know if it's the textures, mode... : vassili_zaitsev
• 30 is tolerable, but 60 is desired : Foxhawk
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  Okay, for all of you who think you can't tell the difference between 30fps and anything higher, try this ... : Matt Burris
  • I can tell the difference between 60 and 90, but not 90 and 120. : vynn
  • Thanks for this! Try as I might, I can't tell a difference for anything above 50fps. : OverloadUT
  • Won't this also tie into the refresh rate of your monitor? : aggressor
• I can tell the difference between 500 and 517, once you break the 515 FPS barrier games are truely amazin... : gmd
• Speaking of this. I wish PC titles gave you benchmarks on the box. I hate it when the "recommended" sys... : pigvomit
• Past 80 I don't notice. : Amnesty_intl2
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  yea because so many of them are going to get 150fps anyway. fucktards. : .ka`boom.zZz.
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    By the time UT3 is playable at 150 fps at high resolution, no one will be playing UT3. : pigvomit
    • well, there will be someone playing, but he'll be all alone lol :) : .ka`boom.zZz.
    • Umm, more like everyone will be playing DNF, also here's some ADVICE gived to KOTAKU by MARK REIN: In : Amnesty_intl2
    • I can get it at 150 now.. Just need to lower the resolution and details. : razlebol
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  We are talking about capping the rendering framerate, right? I remember the hoopla over DOOM3 running at... : Omaha
  • It was 60 actually, but yeah I remember it - and that on my LCD it looked fine. : mn3m0n1c
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  ya know because of the damn lcd issue, i do my best to eat up the excess fps now. otherwise i have to us... : smacknca
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    Solution is to activate triple buffering for direct x. It can be done, but you want a video card with lot... : Visceral Monkey
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      I'm guessing that if he's running Ep2 at 1920x1200 with all the eye-candy on, he's already got that! :D : mn3m0n1c
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        yep exactly. it just can potentially introduce strange mouse lag. but usually its worth it to get rid o... : smacknca
        • The triple-buffering, you mean? It should help with that in DX games (by 'steadying' the fps); if you hav... : mn3m0n1c
• Oh for fuck sakes. 60 FPS is all I need as optimal. If the game runs 40-50 then it's still good enough. : avatar_58
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  Yet another way PC gamers are sending devs away from the platform. Do they not realize that they are givi... : byorn
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    PC gamers are hardly alone in that, look at the flap over Halo 3's upscaling. : intangir21
    • I don't think more than about 2.2358123 people really cared about that. : omnova
    • gamers are so fucking gay : boring gegtik
    • Which was still nothing compared to the Bioshock widescreen shit. : walker270
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    Um, that thread consists of about 8 people going back and forth about something stupid. : FlatlineDixay
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      Welcome to most Internet forums. : RomSteady
      • you giant faggot : dewdman
• Don't notice past 30 if it's locked at 30, l just notice big changes. : Boxelder
• It's a fucken game. I see it as easy kills on idiots that spend more time with these minor details rather... : pobone
• I don't notice unless its choppy. In fact, I can't remember the last time I checked my fps in a game. : Grim_Grom
• Other Internet Forums : tomservo
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  In a nutshell, here is the issue: Computer rendering does not apply motion blur. This means that if you... : batkiwi
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    Some games are starting to implement motion blur : EvilDolemite
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      But (I believe) as a post-processed effect. Which means, again, if the object wasn't rendered, it can't ... : Rotten Deadite
      • True. : EvilDolemite
      • Exactly. It's fake motion blur, not rendering all states of an object between frames. It takes all rend... : batkiwi
• er how does more FPS than your monitor can physically display help you? : steelsamurai
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  the difference between 30 and 60fps is like night and day : mr.sleepy
  • agreeing with this dude. even a 'smooth' 30fps (meaning not tearing and not deliberately running like shi... : Downforce
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    I agree, but the difference between 90 and 150 is not. : skunk_ape
    • further agreed. filed under: diminishing returns : Downforce
    • agreed w/ that. anything above 60 i really can't tell : mr.sleepy
  • agreed. 60+ is hard to discern, but 90 does feel better than 60. Above 90 is pointless for me :( : headless
• you're a freak. 30 fps vs 60 fps was easily discernible in quake 2 :) : dodob
• Dif between 90 and 150? What a buncha fucktards. I'm sure you could run an experiment on FPS discrimina... : the city
• neat article.. http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm : g0nk
• Frame Compare Application: ( http://tim.tjee.org/temp/framecompare.zip ) Download a program that will do... : hadronflux

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• I once sat at the Rodland hi-score table for an hour because the music was so enchanting. http://en.wi : SiW73
• dr mario : FrayLo
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  Duke Nukem 3D : Korban
  • Another vote for Duke from me. : OverloadUT
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  The song is called Vampire Killer. And yes, it reeks of awesome. : Entity
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    No it's not! Vampire Killer is a different song. This one is "Beginning" I believe. : Omaha
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      It's Beginning. http://www.omnova.net/files/music/Perfect%20Selection%20Dracula%20Battle/01%20Beginnin : omnova
      • Yeah, that's the one I'm thinking of. Vampire Killer is kind of similar but not that song. This tune ... : Omaha
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  Monkey Island FTW. : MatzL.E.
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    I was going to post The Secret of Monkey Island until I saw that someone beat me to it. Those games had u... : Psigun
    • I need to get a Monkey Island ring tone... : Psigun
• Tetris, EOT : hawkeye
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  The Legend of Zelda main overworld theme. I think it's been in all the sequels in some fashion. : pigvomit
  • Yeah, I could sing a capella harmonies to it at this point. : davantalus
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    Unfortuantely not really since Zelda 3. : Mad Brahmin Disease
    • Yeah one of the things I disliked about OOT initially (I found others...) was that it did not use this tu... : Omaha
    • I remember hearing the original Zelda overworld theme in Twlight Princess's ending credits if that counts... : yellowtexan
    • It showed up in most game boy sequels since, it was prominent in Mask of Majora, and made appearances in ... : AroundTheFur1380
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  Katamari Damacy : genom
  • Dammit I forgot about this one, and now it'll be rolling around in my head for hours. : Omaha
  • ohh, that's a good one. All of the music for that was catchy as hell, it'd get stuck in your head for da... : hawkeye
  • the thread ends here for me. na naaa na na na naa na na na... : cap n KRUNCH
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  Megaman 2 : gmd
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    this was in my original post but I decided to shorten it to just the one song that was stuck in my head r... : Omaha
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      That mother fucker Dr. Wiley : gmd
      • Seriously. That jerk is like the roadrunner; he just won't go down! : Omaha
  • Minibosses - Megaman 2 ! : Anti_dentite
  • http://ocrmirror.org/Mega_Man_2_ProjectX2%28TitleScreen%29_OC_ReMix.mp3 : gmd
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  I'm still humming music from Chrono Trigger a decade later. : Ovate
  • The sequel IMHO has the best game soundtrack *ever*. : genom
  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NITRZK8z0ek Best themes from Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross performed by : aurealis
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  Morrowind / Oblivion- I end up humming that theme constantly whenever I'm replaying either : tashtego
  • I've played Oblivion almost every night for a month and they don't really stick in my head. I do *love* t... : davantalus
  • Morrowind definitely stuck in my head, I could still hum it to this day and it's been years since i've pl... : Matt Burris
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  I could sing most of FF1 and FFIV from memory. Could have something to do with the long play hours though... : davantalus
  • Yeah I can hum several songs from FF1, probably all of FF4 and FF6, and lots off FF7... but what I was r... : Omaha
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    Agree. Old school Final Fantasy music kicks ass especially the SNES ones. I love crystal theme music that... : yellowtexan
    • OH yeah. Crystal theme fo show. : davantalus
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      I like FFVI's version better. The little celtic like instrument during the latter parts really nails it. ... : avatar_58
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        There's a great live piano version and a live Celtic version of the soundtrack out there that you should ... : davantalus
        • CRAP. You said VI not IV. Disregard. : davantalus
  • I have the soundtrack to FFIV in my playlist. Orchestral version. so good. : Zhaneel
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  F-Zero had some pretty catchy music (mute city) : Begawkiness
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    hell yes. silence track's theme is the shit : aurealis
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      You misspelled Red Canyon : Omaha
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        and Big Blue : Omaha
        • here's your big blue ringtone http://mosh.nokia.mobi/content/3995F0121CE175B8E040050AEE041417 and mut... : aurealis
        • ^^^ knows WTF : Mad Brahmin Disease
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  I don't know about catchy but the piano theme at the beginning of FF X is very emotional and just amazing... : discolando
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    I never really cared for that tune, but I do have to finish this game someday. : Omaha
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      Same here. I never could get past the voice acting to enjoy it. : davantalus
      • the voice acting was pretty bad, but the story was good, original (for FF), and not too kiddish. : discolando
• I'll be that guy and say Halo. : Omning
• Zelda: OOT : lookitzpancakes
• It's funny because since the old days games haven't really had catchy tunes. Instead we're all subjected ... : avatar_58
• Ghost & Goblins, plus the beginning music when the girl is captured by the devil. : devi| dog
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  Maybe not very catchy, but very good nonetheless: the Tristram music from Diablo : mtgDoofy
  • oh good God I despise that song; when I first got the game I got ridiculously sick and was in bed for lik... : Omaha
  • Haha, that opening chord is pretty much a shared experience burned into the mind of all those who have be... : Chris Remo
• SUPER MARIO BROS : boring gegtik
• Giants: Citizen Kabuto had an awesome main theme song, very ambient and unique. : Matt Burris
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  SUPER MARIO BROS. 2 : boring gegtik
  • http://www.ocremix.org/remix/OCR00577/ : SeaLlama
• Super Turrican (NES) : madspacemarinemustdie
• Orchestral/chorus chanting at the beginning of Baldur's Gate (maybe BG2?) will live forever in my mind. : Majuju
• Halo : Sylvanus
• Only one person said Tetris? Wtf.. Shack.. wtf.. :( : K1Bond007
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  bloody tears iirc. great some, catchy and awesome and .... yeah awesome. : barichnikov
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    Nope, this is another Castlevania song that is also awesome. It plays during the day in Simon's Quest an... : Omaha
    • ok i thought it was that one because it comes back from game to game, typically around final boss fights.... : barichnikov
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  Katamari Damacy! : ChibiJosh
  • ... and now the song is stuck in my head. : Zhaneel
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  Battlefield 1942 : Saman
  • I''ll 2nd this. : Sgt_Boomstick
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    The remix from the Battelfield Vitenam WWII mod was hot. : Ajax
    • Hell, the White Rabbit loop in the Vietnam menu was one of the best parts of the game! : Ajax
• Katamari Damacy : Serpico74
• Nobody's mentioned Portal yet? C'mon. Also, Deus Ex, Max Payne and Silent Hill 2 had some pretty aweso... : BlackCat9
• System Shock 2 :D : Downforce
• DOOM (I'm considering E1M1 as the theme) : DOOManiac
• p0rtal - still alive : hirez
• (NES) Rush N' Attack, Dodge Ball, Legend of Kage Underappreciated classics... : pobone
• Prey had a great theme thanks to Jeremy Soule. Chrono Cross and Homeworld were good as well. I dislike Ha... : Magus
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  TF2 : spectr3
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    o{TF2}o : spectr3
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      i give up : spectr3
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        TF2? : devi| dog
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          isn't it odd that they use that particular letter for orange? : deject
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            It's because Sander likes navel oranges. : Ajax
            • Maybe he thinks they're nasty : Balboa
          • naranja! : 60days
      • grab naabster's Shack Comment Tags Greasemonkey script: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/10061 Wha... : dodob
      • sup quitter : Magus
      • spectr3 : AlexXdude
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        n{sup}n : spectr3
        • You have assembled the Voltron of subthread fails here. : devi| dog
        • haha : busdriver3030
        • fail! : deject
        • double failure : Modica Sol Solis
        • Why do you even get up in the morning? : AlexXdude
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          Try with ] [ : DM7
          • N ] [ doom ][ : oHnOES
        • pretty much... : fleabug
• Oh man I also love the Metal Gear Solid series theme. : Omaha
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  Command & Conquer: Red Alert : wunderbred
  • The entire Command & Conquer series had a nice little tune associated with it at that point. You can hea... : Omaha
• No one said Bubble Bobble (NES). That theme will always be burnt in my memory : grabbie
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  much as i hate the game, WoW has a great theme at the login screen. : Modica Sol Solis
  • WoW has a lot of pretty awesome music in general. I can't wait to hear what's added in WotLK. : Sapiens

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• wet your face. apply shaving cream. start slow/dont apply too much pressure until you know what works, as... : Maarten Goldstein
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  Shave in your shower, I never cut myself that way. : thaperfectdrug
  • ^^ get a $1 mirror to hang in the shower, this works wonders : PapaBoo
  • Or shave after showering. It's a million times better than going dry. : Ovate
• i have a mirror in the shower and do it there. saves time, less mess. : cpt_gloval
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  always shave down. Wet your face with warm/hot water first to open the pores then apply shaving cream. ... : ant_hillbilly
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    not everyone has the luxury of going with the grain, I HAVE to go against the grain on my second pass or ... : mindshot
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      Agreed. I too am forced to against the grain or I don't get shaved. : Solstice
      • Same here. Going with the grain first pass and against the grain second pass works great and gives you a... : Sapiens
    • yeah. i don't go directly against though because my hair is way too coarse, i'll end up with massive razo... : cpt_gloval
    • try pulling down on your skin with your other hand it makes the hair stand up : ant_hillbilly
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    you can shave up for a closer shave : headbone
    • Works best if you do it after a downward shave if you have a sharp face like mine. =\ : Magus
• just remember that if you cut yourself you know youre alive : not work safe
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  well, that was easy. I can't believe I've been fearing that for like 6 years. : sparkly
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    You've just performed the shaving equivalent of going from briefs to boxers. Grats! : Sapiens
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      I feel like I've stepped into manhood. : sparkly
      • youve taken your first step into a much larger world : not work safe
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  Shaving with disposable blades is WAY more expensive than electric shaving over time. But at least you g... : adpalumbo
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    how often do you have to replace a disposable? : sparkly
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      Depends on how tough your beard is and how good the disposable is, some guys can go forever on one and ot... : devi| dog
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        yeah, I get like 2 shaves per head and that was with a Mach 3 or whatever. Blades+cream+having to do at ... : adpalumbo
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          2 shaves? o_O : Maarten Goldstein
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            is that weird? : adpalumbo
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              Well, I can do about a month with one, so its definitely...different! : Maarten Goldstein
              • Yeah same here : AlexXdude
            • That about what I get with a normal razor, the Mach 3 ones last for about 4ish. To combat that I use an ... : devi| dog
            • You have stubble of steal. Shitty super power, but you will never be beaten by a razor blade. : .sticks.
        • what? do you grow steel wool for stubble or what? I buy the cheapo 2 blade gillette disposables and I... : Jayx77
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          Heh. I could probably go a year. : Rice-Rocketeer
          • Granted, Majuju says I don't shave often enough. I bet it makes me look rough. : Rice-Rocketeer
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  Now you got the shaving bug! Next up: Balls, Back, Chest and Legs! : devi| dog
  • Eyebrows : Githyanki
• if you can't shave with a guarded retard razor like a quatro you honestly have no hope in live. : gmd
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  anyone know why I can't shave with a razor? maybe it's from shaving with an electric all my life, but whe... : lakren
  • Stop using blades you found in the trash? You shouldn't have a problem with a decent razor and going wit... : devi| dog
  • How are you shaving? : basketofkittens
  • a) Get a GOOD razor. Mach3 Turbo or Quattro or whatever have always worked very well for me. b) Shave... : Sapiens
  • you going against the grain? the only place I do that is the underside of my chin. : Jayx77
  • hahahahahahaha : genjuro
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    Stop dry shaving. : stump
    • with rusted blades : Maarten Goldstein
  • are you shaving super-fast or something? Go slow and don't apply pressure. : 60days
  • To some shaving is more than just a task that has to be completed quickly and gotten over with. Like many... : askedrelic
  • update: haha I'm dying here. : genjuro
  • jesus man, a rusted hobo blade of agony -6 is not a razor : Gauss
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  Dont use those gimmicky disposables. An old fashioned double edge safety razor with good cream will give ... : Lord Grey
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    I've been wanting to try this out since I saw the wetshaving thread on SA. : blackscythe125
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      Im not sure what they said but it works great. I want to try a different cream just for the hell of it th... : Lord Grey
      • Among my friends who've tried the cutthroat-razor, it hasn't worked out, but I can vouch for better cream... : 60days
  • Fucking signed. I still nick myself sometimes because of acne. But, my face doesn't hurt any more like wh... : dudehoyt
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  Step 1: Throw that piece of shit Quattro in the garbage. Step 2: Buy some supplies: http://www.amaz... : basketofkittens
  • Real mans razor, anything else would be uncivilized. http://www.amazon.com/Jungle-Bowie-Sawback-Knife/dp/... : .sticks.
• Braun Freecontrol 1775 for $40 : noven
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  I'm a hairy fella, and I shave with a regular razor and a beard trimmer. Electric razors have never reall... : Rauol Duke
  • I dont get a close enough shave with electric. : Jayx77
  • yeah same. so much nicer : Maarten Goldstein
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    I can't use electrics, they are useless against my 11 am shadow. : gmd
    • That's my problem too. : Rauol Duke
• The only times I've really cut myself badly shaving were when (for whatever reason) I accidentally moved ... : mockery
• What sucks is that I sometimes get ingrown hairs even when I shave with the grain. I think I should be mo... : freshyk

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  maybe im broken, but i'm getting tired of thom's vocal range. : cygnus
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    I am soooooooooooo with you dude. Their music doesn't excite me anymore. I think it might if they got a d... : NastyJack
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      Then you should listen to a different band! : nudel
      • They don't deserve ears. : Sapiens
  • I donno but maybe it's the fact that they are doing soft electronic based stuff lately... Do you like Mus... : paravis
• undoubtably yes. i say that not having heard it myself but from comments made by other (music retarded) p... : j0nchan
• if you are in a mellow and contemplative mood chances are you will enjoy it : PlanetPerfecto
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  know that it is lossy mp3 if you do the download. other than that, what i've heard is better than the pas... : cpt_gloval
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    Well it can be free (legally) if you choose so. I threw them $5 since that is what I think a CD should co... : blackscythe125
    • yeah i know but if quality has any play on the price he sets, it's good to know : cpt_gloval
• yes. House of Cards > * : sikander
• I bought it today. I only knew a few Radiohead songs before I bought this album (Creep, National Anthem, ... : coldfusioncs
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  Couldn't you download it, listen, and then pay what you think it's worth? : lechuck59
  • you pay up, then they give you a download link. : deject
• I've only listened to it once so far but I really liked it. Seems like a nice mixture of their last few a... : nudel
• Yes. : Magus
• I really, really like it. : felicia
• It is very, very awesome. : ventro
• good from what i heard but im still not ok with the bitrate options (or has this changed?) : smacknca
• It's definitely good. I didn't find it very surprising, but it's good. : Chris Remo
• Yes its awesome stop reading start listening. : wunderbred
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  its fantastic. its a grower though. took me some time, but its my album of the year, and i\m by no means ... : disembodied potato
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    I thought it was fundamentally a retracing of their steps over the last few years, but that's okay. : Chris Remo
    • Well i guess, i liked the way pitchfork put it in their review, i.e after so long exploring, radiohead ha... : disembodied potato
  • Good I don't dig the bends. I love when i get an album and think "meh" and really have no opinion. Cuz ... : kingdepork
• get it : aurealis
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  Given the quality of the audio, and that there will be a cd with additional material . . . What do you ... : capt tripps
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    i dunno what the quality is, i'll pay higher or lower depending upon that. : xxiv
    • I believe it's encoded at a steady 160 kbps. : capt tripps
    • 160 Kbps MP3 : deject
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  if you're going to pay full CD price, you might as well wait for the CD to come out, seeing as how it wil... : deject
  • why not buy the album online now then get the higher encoded tracks later if 160kbps isnt enough for you?... : handofthrawn
• Buy the shit out of it, no one here can keep from flapping their lips about the fucking thing. Must be a... : pres589
• It's awesome. : dltrem
• their best since Kid A imo : aeg1x
• I really enjoyed it. Can't wait to get the diskbox in December : shavenewok