BioShock Widescreen Slices Vertical View

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  isn't that wrong though, because the top shot would have been taken from the game's widescreen mode and w... : pyide
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    the screenshot in the thread linked from the story better illustrates the same thing without going nuts. ... : pyide
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      So why is this incorrect? Movies sometimes do this as well with their fullscreen releases. Terminator 3 b... : aggressor
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        Not the Terminator 3 example I used, but here you go: http://www.widescreen.org/widescreen_matted.shtml ... : aggressor
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          Notice how the wide screen frame is still wider than the 4:3 frame? What Bioshock is doing is not the sam... : magila
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            Look at the open matte frames. : aggressor
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              Are you implying that bioshock's 4:3 frame is the same as open matte in film? If so I'm sorry but you are... : magila
              • Apparently I'm not :) : aggressor
      • WTF LOGIC : spaceless
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        that's what i'm saying. everyone seems to think widescreen is seeing less when we don't know if that is t... : pyide
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          The game will render in full 16:9 aspect ratio, with no letterboxing unless your resolution is not true 1 : burning eye
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            every image and video from the game so far has been 16:9. i would assume it's like that on purpose and co... : pyide
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              ok, you have a quote from the developer that clearly states widescreen users will see more and quite : burning eye
              • if he doesn't work with the renderer directly i wouldn't believe him, so what does this developer who sai... : pyide
        • uhhhh video games aren't movies, it doesn't work like that. 1) Take 16:9 shot. 2) Take fullscreen. 3... : lord cecil
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    that was a promo screenshot. : burning eye
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      all screenshots are promotional. you think they would have fucked it up that bad before release? : pyide
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        they DID fuck up. That's the whole point of this news post. They're cropping off the top and bottom to ... : burning eye
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          how are you so sure they are cropping the top and bottom and not ADDING to the top and bottom of 4:3 mode... : pyide
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            That's essentially irrelevant semantics. The issue, regardless of exactly how they implemented it, is th... : Arcanum
            • irreleveant? it's the game they made. i don't see how that is irrelevant. surely someone there would have... : pyide
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    It's just illustrating the point. They could have used any image. : Zeeliv
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      it's wrong though. the other pic or even this would be more accurate: http://i10.tinypic.com/53ie32f.jpg ... : pyide
      • I dunno if patching it will be all that easy for the 360. Rendering more in widescreen might negatively a... : aggressor
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        Widescreen users are not only getting less of the image, but we're also getting a zoomed image. WE ARE G... : burning eye
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          again, how do you know this for sure? how do you know we are seeing less and it's not 4:3 seeing more? i... : pyide
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            holyshit, this is mind boggling... We're seeing a distorted FOV. THE IMAGE IS ZOOMED WHEN VIEWED ON A... : burning eye
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              look at the comparisons again. the 4:3 and 16:9 images ARE THE EXACT SAME WIDTH! that is the problem here... : pyide
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                I'm done. http://www.undefinedspace.com/bioshock.gif the image is cropped and then zoomed in. Sor... : burning eye
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                  sigh. you just don't get it. nothing is zoomed here. if it were, the sides in the first 3 frames of that ... : pyide
                  • The 16:10 image is not zoomed in relative to the 4:3 image, it is zoomed in compared to a theoretical 16:... : Asmodeus
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                    I think the point everyone is trying to get across to you, is the 4:3 aspect screen is the baseline, whic... : ucanbfuzzy
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                      if any of the screenshots or media from the game had been 4:3, i might see the point. as far as i know... : pyide
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                        If that were true, then a 4:3 screen would show a cropped horizontal, rather than an expanded vertical. : CRasterImage
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                          are you so sure? FOV is usually tied to width, and the width of both 4:3 and 16:9 bioshocks are exactly t... : pyide
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                            Everybody comprehends it. It is the same widescreen mistake FPS games have been making for years. : CRasterImage
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                              i know. but it may not be a mistake in this case. we don't know. i'm just trying to be rational here and... : pyide
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                                Dude, it's definitely a mistake. Again, Chris Kline was quoted ealier as saying that "You will see more i : vynn
                                • maybe he made the mistake by saying that? maybe it changed months after he said that? maybe i should sto... : pyide
                                • Or maybe Chris Kline was a parrot for a PR representative. Happens all the time in the games industry. ... : Matt Burris
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                                "but it may not be a mistake in this case" It can never be correct to make a widescreen display show l... : CRasterImage
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                                  it can never be correct? what are you, the widescreen hitler? i know it's not the ideal solution but it m... : pyide
                                  • If 2K Games doesn't send you a check for all the damage control you're doing for them, I wouldn't mind do... : Matt Burris
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                                    I meant: It is cannot be conceptually correct. It goes against the point of having a widescreen displa... : CRasterImage
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                                      pfft. i know i'm just making an ass out of myself. but i will continue and make it worse!
                                      
                                      lets do a hypothetical here: lets say it originally was correct. widescreen was a wider screen and 4:3 was its little bitch. then irrational says: hey guys, this doesn't look as good as it does in widescreen0, i can't see anything on the sides! why should the minority of widescreen users get all the love?
                                      
                                      so they change 4:3 to match the width of the 16:9, with the normal result of some added +horizontal because of the ratio. no one thinks anything of it and everyone is happy. until jonny mcwidecreen pc calls shennanigans that is. now everyone is out for blood for no real reason at all.
                                      
                                      when does it end!

                                      Aug 21, 2007 5:03pm PDT
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                                      pfft. i know i'm just making an ass out of myself. but i will continue and make it worse! lets do a h... : pyide
                                      • +horizontal should be +vertical, duh. i'm going crazy with all these things. but who knows! i find thi... : pyide
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                                        Ya, I wish I had widescreen monitor too. : CRasterImage
                                        • i have a widescreen. they rock. :D : pyide
                                • "It can never be correct to make a widescreen display show less than a standard screen." That's just a... : tigeN
                    • if you had 4:3 and 16:9 displays of the same exact dimensional width, the game would be identical except ... : pyide
                • http://www.epicheroes.com/shop/images/8969_xl.jpg : Visceral Monkey
            • 4:3 users do see more. However, they should've shrank the image area and pulled back more on the widescr... : dedgecko
          • Yes the width and FOV is exactly the same in 4:3 and widescreen, and that's precisely what produces the z... : Asmodeus
• bottom image + wider fov = top image : moshman
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  Those are great comparison shots. But it's not a big deal to me. Quite frankly, in the midst of the actio... : Silent Sorrow
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    It's not something I'm personally up in arms about. I'll probably go buy the game tonight, in fact. Still... : Nick Breckon
    • I agree--I think you should have reported it. Just that it's one of those funny things where you don't ev : Silent Sorrow
• this post sums it up perfectly http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=118799&postcount=193 ... : burning eye
• The easiest way for people to understand the issue is to simply look at your own non-widescreen monitor a... : Beady