BioShock Widescreen Slices Vertical View

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  isn't that wrong though, because the top shot would have been taken from the game's widescreen mode and w... : pyide
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    the screenshot in the thread linked from the story better illustrates the same thing without going nuts. ... : pyide
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      So why is this incorrect? Movies sometimes do this as well with their fullscreen releases. Terminator 3 b... : aggressor
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        Not the Terminator 3 example I used, but here you go: http://www.widescreen.org/widescreen_matted.shtml ... : aggressor
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          Notice how the wide screen frame is still wider than the 4:3 frame? What Bioshock is doing is not the sam... : magila
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            Look at the open matte frames. : aggressor
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              Are you implying that bioshock's 4:3 frame is the same as open matte in film? If so I'm sorry but you are... : magila
              • Apparently I'm not :) : aggressor
      • WTF LOGIC : spaceless
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        that's what i'm saying. everyone seems to think widescreen is seeing less when we don't know if that is t... : pyide
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          The game will render in full 16:9 aspect ratio, with no letterboxing unless your resolution is not true 1 : burning eye
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            every image and video from the game so far has been 16:9. i would assume it's like that on purpose and co... : pyide
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              ok, you have a quote from the developer that clearly states widescreen users will see more and quite : burning eye
              • if he doesn't work with the renderer directly i wouldn't believe him, so what does this developer who sai... : pyide
        • uhhhh video games aren't movies, it doesn't work like that. 1) Take 16:9 shot. 2) Take fullscreen. 3... : lord cecil
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    that was a promo screenshot. : burning eye
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      all screenshots are promotional. you think they would have fucked it up that bad before release? : pyide
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        they DID fuck up. That's the whole point of this news post. They're cropping off the top and bottom to ... : burning eye
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          how are you so sure they are cropping the top and bottom and not ADDING to the top and bottom of 4:3 mode... : pyide
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            That's essentially irrelevant semantics. The issue, regardless of exactly how they implemented it, is th... : Arcanum
            • irreleveant? it's the game they made. i don't see how that is irrelevant. surely someone there would have... : pyide
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    It's just illustrating the point. They could have used any image. : Zeeliv
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      it's wrong though. the other pic or even this would be more accurate: http://i10.tinypic.com/53ie32f.jpg ... : pyide
      • I dunno if patching it will be all that easy for the 360. Rendering more in widescreen might negatively a... : aggressor
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        Widescreen users are not only getting less of the image, but we're also getting a zoomed image. WE ARE G... : burning eye
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          again, how do you know this for sure? how do you know we are seeing less and it's not 4:3 seeing more? i... : pyide
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            holyshit, this is mind boggling... We're seeing a distorted FOV. THE IMAGE IS ZOOMED WHEN VIEWED ON A... : burning eye
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              look at the comparisons again. the 4:3 and 16:9 images ARE THE EXACT SAME WIDTH! that is the problem here... : pyide
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                I'm done. http://www.undefinedspace.com/bioshock.gif the image is cropped and then zoomed in. Sor... : burning eye
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                  sigh. you just don't get it. nothing is zoomed here. if it were, the sides in the first 3 frames of that ... : pyide
                  • The 16:10 image is not zoomed in relative to the 4:3 image, it is zoomed in compared to a theoretical 16:... : Asmodeus
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                    I think the point everyone is trying to get across to you, is the 4:3 aspect screen is the baseline, whic... : ucanbfuzzy
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                      if any of the screenshots or media from the game had been 4:3, i might see the point. as far as i know... : pyide
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                        If that were true, then a 4:3 screen would show a cropped horizontal, rather than an expanded vertical. : CRasterImage
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                          are you so sure? FOV is usually tied to width, and the width of both 4:3 and 16:9 bioshocks are exactly t... : pyide
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                            Everybody comprehends it. It is the same widescreen mistake FPS games have been making for years. : CRasterImage
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                              i know. but it may not be a mistake in this case. we don't know. i'm just trying to be rational here and... : pyide
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                                Dude, it's definitely a mistake. Again, Chris Kline was quoted ealier as saying that "You will see more i : vynn
                                • maybe he made the mistake by saying that? maybe it changed months after he said that? maybe i should sto... : pyide
                                • Or maybe Chris Kline was a parrot for a PR representative. Happens all the time in the games industry. ... : Matt Burris
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                                "but it may not be a mistake in this case" It can never be correct to make a widescreen display show l... : CRasterImage
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                                  it can never be correct? what are you, the widescreen hitler? i know it's not the ideal solution but it m... : pyide
                                  • If 2K Games doesn't send you a check for all the damage control you're doing for them, I wouldn't mind do... : Matt Burris
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                                    I meant: It is cannot be conceptually correct. It goes against the point of having a widescreen displa... : CRasterImage
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                                      pfft. i know i'm just making an ass out of myself. but i will continue and make it worse! lets do a h... : pyide
                                      • +horizontal should be +vertical, duh. i'm going crazy with all these things. but who knows! i find thi... : pyide
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                                        Ya, I wish I had widescreen monitor too. : CRasterImage
                                        • i have a widescreen. they rock. :D : pyide
                                • "It can never be correct to make a widescreen display show less than a standard screen." That's just a... : tigeN
                    • if you had 4:3 and 16:9 displays of the same exact dimensional width, the game would be identical except ... : pyide
                • http://www.epicheroes.com/shop/images/8969_xl.jpg : Visceral Monkey
            • 4:3 users do see more. However, they should've shrank the image area and pulled back more on the widescr... : dedgecko
          • Yes the width and FOV is exactly the same in 4:3 and widescreen, and that's precisely what produces the z... : Asmodeus
• bottom image + wider fov = top image : moshman
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  Those are great comparison shots. But it's not a big deal to me. Quite frankly, in the midst of the action/story that's not even something I would notice unless it was brought up.
  
  The gaming Internet detectives with possibly too much time on their hands are out in force though. So far the most compulsive-obsessive thing I've even seen is someone making the bizarrely esoteric complaint that the water isn't "double-sided." Whatever that means. However, they were quite upset about it, lol.
  
  But really, none of this is worth starting a progrom over, or anything other than the mildest of criticism. Not a single review (that I've read so far) has even mentioned it and I bet it's because none of those reviewers noticed. For the average person who will buy and play this game, I'm going to bet it's a complete non-issue. (Of course, it should still be fixed, I guess.)

  Aug 21, 2007 11:59am PDT
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  Those are great comparison shots. But it's not a big deal to me. Quite frankly, in the midst of the actio... : Silent Sorrow
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    It's not something I'm personally up in arms about. I'll probably go buy the game tonight, in fact. Still... : Nick Breckon
    • I agree--I think you should have reported it. Just that it's one of those funny things where you don't ev : Silent Sorrow
• this post sums it up perfectly http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=118799&postcount=193 ... : burning eye
• The easiest way for people to understand the issue is to simply look at your own non-widescreen monitor a... : Beady