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John Romero's Going To Make You His Subscriber

by Maarten Goldstein, Jan 31, 2006 8:26am PST

Related Topics – Gauntlet, MMO, Games: PC, John Romero

Computer & Video Games reports that John Romero has resurfaced, as the designer is working on a new massively multiplayer game. Romero didn't reveal the title of the game or the name of the company, but did say this

"This is not a typical games company and we're not making typical games". According to Romero (who says he loves MMOs), the game he's working on is "very different from any other MMO for some special reasons." Precisely what those special reasons are, he wouldn't elaborate. He did, however, admit that funding for the project is lurking in the many millions of dollars bracket. "It's a lot of money, this is the most money I've ever spent on a game - in Gauntlet it was like $10 million, but this is much more," Romero revealed.

According to the story we won't see anything from the game until next year.

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Could he have joined Tom Hall at KingsIsle Entertainment? http://www.kingsisle.com/

Feb 01, 2006 3:12am PST

Could he have joined Tom Hall at KingsIsle Entertainment? http://www.kingsisle.com/ : gwarek

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Ok. I've got $20 that says it's an MMO porn/dating sim.

Jan 31, 2006 11:11am PST

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- Hey, it worked for him! : TastyWheat
- So in this similator you can meet 15 year old girls from Romania on your own internet forum? Sweet! : socksta

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this is the carmack. im looking for the romero. i want him to bake me a daiktatana. :P

Jan 31, 2006 6:16pm PST

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- Hiiiii OOOOOHHHHHHHH : socksta

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Like the world even needs one more MMORPG. Gawd those types of games are BORING. Yeesh!

Feb 01, 2006 12:06am PST

Like the world even needs one more MMORPG. Gawd those types of games are BORING. Yeesh! : wytefang

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Near the end of Masters of Doom, it said he had asked id's permission to make a Quake MMO. This was after Daikatana and Ion, but before Midway.

I don't have the book handy, or I'd post the quote.

It doesn't seem very likely now since it's been a couple of years, but I'll throw that out there anyway.

Jan 31, 2006 9:30am PST

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He spent $10 million on Gauntlet and it was still a POS. Why do people give this man money?

Jan 31, 2006 8:30am PST

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He spent $10 million on Gauntlet and it was still a POS. Why do people give this man money? : Sturm08
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    - i think they left because a bunch of his design was not implemented, and the entire game was dumbed down. : flibble2k

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10 million on Gauntlet? WTF? How the FUCK do you spend 10 million on a Gauntlet sequel? How long was it in development, how many people were working on it?

Jan 31, 2006 8:36am PST

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    It seems crazy for a non-blockbuster game like Gauntlet. I can understand spending over 10 million for s... : deathofrats
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      HL2 was $40,000,000. : Hatta
      
      They say Shen Mue was up to 70 million, but that's always sounded like bullshit to me. : azshack
      
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      seriously? where you been boy? : thechunder
      
      Not in the gaming industry, that's for sure ;) : larcho
      
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I will always respect John Romero for his contributions to the FPS genre.

As for Daikatana, I thought the "mplayer" deathmatch demo was awesome fun on that Gibbler On The Roof map.

Jan 31, 2006 10:22am PST

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  - Yeah I agree that was really cool. Had me excited for a bit =) : PUPSTAHS

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Romero made DM3 in quake. That has been the best map to date in all aspects of strategy and design, Be it shear luck or skill. I'm hoping he'll have a team worthy of some good design. I can't wait to hear what he's making ironically. There has been talk for many years at Id of making a adventure type game. Maybe it was Romero's idea, maybe a few more of them wanted to. I just know it kept getting shotdown many times as John would bring it up.

I PRESENT A BLAST FROM THE PAST... ROMERO'D

I bet not many people have seen this one!
http://homepages.sylvaninfo.net/infinity/wenqtest13.jpg

Jan 31, 2006 5:57pm PST

Romero made DM3 in quake. That has been the best map to date in all aspects of strategy and design, Be : forgetoo

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Out of curiosity, what was the last good game (excluding handheld/cellphone/etc.) Romero was heavily involved in?

Jan 31, 2006 5:26pm PST

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- Did he work on Anachronox at all? I know it was part of the same studio that Daikatana was being made in... : Mecha Tofu Pirate

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Was Diakatana so succesful that he still has money to develope games ?

Jan 31, 2006 8:31am PST

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      he probably got a $30 million settlement though which can be lived off of/invested for many many years. : cryptical
      
      You could live off of that amount of money for your entire life very easily if you don't go batshit insan... : classicfork

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The first autobiographical MMO:

One one side (Romeros), you'll play a rich, aging video game designer who fell from grace years ago. The other team (Ralucas) will play teenage girls in Romania. Both sides will attempt to determine if the other player claims to be who they say they are through late night IRC sessions and emailed fuzzy webcam shots.

The goal of the Romeros will be to to marry a trophy wife and import her so he can show her off on his webpage. The goal of the Ralucas will be to marry the richest American she can find on the Internet to obtain citizenship and eventually half his estate upon the inevitable divorce. Actual personality and chemistry are unimportant and can be feigned until the endgame content (The Church), when both players say "I do."

$12.95 a month.

Jan 31, 2006 3:26pm PST

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- hmm....where do i pre order?? : X-GOUKI

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Dude. It's a Daikatana MMORPG.

Jan 31, 2006 4:50pm PST

Dude. It's a Daikatana MMORPG. : PlanetPerfecto

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Romero is a nice guy and his hair alone doesn't deserve this.

Jan 31, 2006 4:36pm PST

Romero is a nice guy and his hair alone doesn't deserve this. : losder5000

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A producer could make more with a flop than he could with a hit!

does this apply to the video game industry as well?

Jan 31, 2006 3:03pm PST

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This guy shot his load decades ago. I had high hopes for Daikatana, Gauntlet, and even that paperboy game that was supposed to come out. Without a focused, goal-oriented guy like Carmack behind him, Romero's nothing more than a bag of hot air.

Jan 31, 2006 11:16am PST

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- that about sums it up. his games should speak for themselves, and they do. : thebigbeefsandwich

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I'm curious as to what motivated him to bring up the project's financial backing to the public.....

Jan 31, 2006 10:58am PST

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  - Yea, but we're questioning his motives, not how great the game will be. : warcrow

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And I still can't get over how terribly, horribly bad Gauntlet: The Seven Sorrows was. I even wasted my time beating it *sigh*

Jan 31, 2006 1:35pm PST

And I still can't get over how terribly, horribly bad Gauntlet: The Seven Sorrows was. I even wasted my ... : c0bra

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Uwe Boll of game development, anyone?

Jan 31, 2006 8:35am PST

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10 bucks says we spend the first few levels killing mechanical frogs

Jan 31, 2006 12:08pm PST

10 bucks says we spend the first few levels killing mechanical frogs : grandmasterlee

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Awesome headline

Jan 31, 2006 9:01am PST

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I would be highly suspicious of anyone who loves MMOs being able to implement a fresh take on the genre. There are deep problems with MMOs that keep most sensible people far away from them. Unless you loathe MMOs (like I do) I doubt you could have the awareness necessary to "fix" the genre.

Jan 31, 2006 10:01am PST

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World of Dehume, amirite?

Jan 31, 2006 11:21am PST

World of Dehume, amirite? : ezanga

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Anachronox Online please.

Jan 31, 2006 8:55am PST

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for the win:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/whippedcracker/VITO.jpg

Jan 31, 2006 11:06am PST

for the win: http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/whippedcracker/VITO.jpg : whippedcracker

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John as of late has been quite horrendous, but much like Robert De Niro, I give him a pass. He was part of some truely great games and for that I will give him respect. Even if he has managed to totally fark up everything else.

See Also: Relationship destroyed/Attempted making many his bitch but failed/game studio with more flash than content/now making cellphone games and what not.

On that note what happened to the (in)famous Killcreek?

Jan 31, 2006 9:51am PST

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- She's been sequestered in an 'undisclosed location' with Milli Vanilli : Angrakhan
- I predict an image consultant will shave his head soon. : Dread Pirate Roberts

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MMORPGS are in a terrible state in my opinion, who knows maybe Romero will find his niche and be able to pull it off. At least he'll have the guts to try some new features/direction that MMOs desperately need.

Jan 31, 2006 10:45am PST

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A few years ago I remember reading an interview with Romero where he talked about what current MMO's need to do to become better. He had some really good ideas that, if he puts them to use in this game, will be great.

Looking forward to see what he does.

Jan 31, 2006 10:23am PST

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"This is not a typical games company and we're not making typical games".

Yeah, Daikatana was definitely way below the standards of the typical games I've played.

Jan 31, 2006 9:51am PST

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- Yes, hahaha. You know how it is. DAIKATANA!!!!!!!! : rotten element

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Hi! I'm John Romero. You may remember me from such games as "Daikatana" and "Gauntlet: Seven Sorrows"

HAAAAAAR. DAIKATANA, lol!!

Jan 31, 2006 10:27am PST

Hi! I'm John Romero. You may remember me from such games as "Daikatana" and "Gauntlet: Seven Sorrows" : rotten element

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According to the story we won't see anything from the game until next year.

It goes like this:
* In 9-12 months we'll see beautiful screens (which are only AA'd after Shackers point it out). There will be speculation as to whether they are in-game or not
* Developer diaries and weekly updates and interviews will start afterwards
* Hype builds as the official website opens, and much hoohah at GDC
and then ...
* The game, planned for 4Q 2007 gets pushed back
* Super incredible features, big selling points of the game, are dropped or simplified (while JR impresses us with why this is actually good for us)
* Game is delayed more, weekly updates stop happening. Dev goes into silent mode.
* Game comes out a buggy, me-too pos lost in a sea of other buggy, me-too pos's

Sound familiar?

Jan 31, 2006 10:03am PST

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- Daikatana... But still, I'm just hoping that Romero can turn his track record back around. : Killrig

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how much of that was voice talent? i'm honestly asking if anyone knows, not trying to be a wise ass or anything like that.

Jan 31, 2006 9:26am PST

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  - and i think a lot of that went towards the development of Steam. : deathofrats

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"According to Romero (who says he loves MMOs)"

Wonder what realm he has a female night elf on...

just kidding romero, love you

Jan 31, 2006 9:46am PST

"According to Romero (who says he loves MMOs)" Wonder what realm he has a female night elf on... ju : fuji-juice

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Diakatana Online?

I had to say it... ...

Jan 31, 2006 8:28am PST

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- Hyperspace Delivery Online! : o0JediBeavis0o
- Froghunter Online ... In 2007, John Romero is going to make you ribbit, for his pleasure. : sinistarfith

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Rofl.... so in summary, a man who has produced nothing of worth has joined a nameless company where he will help produce a nameless product.
W00T! Cant wait.
Romeros "finished" products are consistantly overhyped pieces substandard shite. TBH, he'd make more money writing "Romeros guide to Interviews and CV's" as his line in bullshit seems unstoppable.

Jan 31, 2006 9:34am PST

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In order to make the world seem even larger than it is, the game will employ the use of "sidekicks" that travel along with you in your adventures. These extremely advanced and intelligent NPCs will give the appearance of many players throughout the world even when only a few people are playing!

Jan 31, 2006 8:50am PST

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- Will they get stuck behind and die though! : DingoStoleMyBaby
- Along with favorite sidekick Superfly Johnson, the new game will add: Herschel Greenburg, "trader" cla... : gnoleb

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I'm just impressed people keep giving this guy money. He's the Infinium of the game software world. He must really be able to talk people up.

Jan 31, 2006 9:22am PST

I'm just impressed people keep giving this guy money. He's the Infinium of the game software world. He mu... : geedeck

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I just wished he'd complete a game from start to finish again.

Jan 31, 2006 8:58am PST

I just wished he'd complete a game from start to finish again. : bargeld

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I remember standing next to Romero at Quakecon, I think it was 1997, where he was speaking to some gamers about Daikatana. He was raving about how cool the old Nintendo games were because they had a 15-second music loop that they would play over and over, and how Daikatana was going to do that. I don't think he realized that 8-bit games had such short music loops because of storage limits, not because it was artistically cool and retro. : |

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PLEEAAASE BE DAIKATANA ONLINE...>THAT WOULD ROCKK!K!

Jan 31, 2006 8:43am PST

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