Cheaters Suck

\"I did say that sending all the info to the client is stupid, \"

It sends the info in the PVS, not ALL the info. If it\'s sending all the info, its a bug.

Did you see proxy bots for Tribes? No? You dont think it\'s impossible? Sorry. People making these bots want to make sure they have the biggest audience possible, so the only game that gets picked on is the one that has the most people playing it, which was Quake2 at the time.

It would be rather surprising for a new company to have their game heavily impacted by cheats, unless they used client determinate networking. Blizzard didnt see hacking until Starcraft.. if Tribes games grow in popularity game after game, I\'m sure that, unfortunately, hackers will pay it more attention.

Then of course, there\'s the differences between the Tribes and Quake3 engines. Tribes can afford to only give you entity info on players that are in your sight because you\'re fighting in wide open areas. You\'re not coming around a corner and smacking into somebody. If Quake3 didnt \"prime\" the player by letting the client know about players around the corner, opponents would literally appear on top of you a moment after you rounded the corner (if you were playing on a modem).

A auto aim bot could work, but it would be in effective. Switching back and forth, would be a hastle. And if QUake server as an example the people playing with the bots would have no skill and get killed anyway.

its one thing for a bot to spam you with pills from 5 feet away, but lets see it hit you in a game liek tribes where you are very far away. I;d like to see someone write a bot that good.

The sniper gun takes time to charge. And how can you predict where someone will be when they are like 200 yeards from you strifing?

What good would a proxy bot do in tribes? Hugh open spaces with little hit scan weapons = useless.

#145, you speak the truth. average gameplayers just dont understand the concept of PVS and the like. they are quick to call other people idiots though concerning something they know nothing about. :)

The reason you don\'t have problem with it is you can\'t load the high res textures like the TNT/gFORCE users. Also running in 16 bit uses half as much RAM too.

By: Anon@199.236.243.136 [Jan 19th 2000, 07:47 pm]
>I\'m very surprised id actually allows the server to send this type of >information to the client, that\'s pretty damn stupid.

Id is pretty damn stupid? You idiot.

That information is sent because it is neccesary, to create an ideal netplay experience. The server tells the clients about the entities when they\'re around a corner so that by the time the player GETS around the corner, the entity will exist. Otherwise its like pop entity appears before your eyes.

>I guess nobody can be a genius like the Tribes programmers though who >coded an almost cheat-free game. But that being said, most of the >simple cheats will hopefully be gone come Tribes2

Any cheat free game is a game that doesn\'t have enough fans to be a target for the people that make cheats. Look at Warcraft2 or the C&C games.. not much cheating going on eh? Look at Starcraft: Better netcode than War2\'s, but map hacks followed each new (and improved attempt to beat the cheats) version.

The client side cheating in Quake3 is analogous to that in Quakeworld: You never really know what the client is running. Quake3 has far superior programmable client prediction, however, so that allows a certain ease in making aim bots. SV_PURE is meant to protect against this, and whether or not that works out will really decide how cheat proof the game is.

DM9 runs fine on my Banshee. It seems a lot of GeForce users have problems with that level.

That level is cool.

* Boogieman whips out 12 withered flowers for #139 and hands her a 10 gallon bottle of $4.99 perfume.

Boogieman

#116, Quake3 (and QW, and Q2) send you info for everybody in your vis area, which includes behind walls. If it only showed you players as they came into sight, if you had lag you\'d see them that much \"late\". Like with 300ms of lag, the enemy would just pop into view as you rounded the corner, rather than being there. You can see this happen with stuff if you\'re REALLY lagged.

When I was looking through the cgame stuff I was like.. wow.. you could do some pretty crazy cheats with this.

Sv_pure 1 is pretty much a requisite.

Its a 300a Celeron with a SDR geFORCE...running at 450-464 depending if I run soft FSB before I play. I get 79 FPS in a time demo at 640 480 32 bit color. I use to run at 800 600 at 70 or so FPS but DM9 chokes it unless I play at 640 480 ( I don\'t want to reduce texture quality of course)

Might want to also try posting that on the Quake3World message boards. You see the Id folks there a lot and it is the site the game directs you to via the installed links and such.

#138 - It\'s so nice that we made up! Let\'s hug!

Boogieman

Ominous - What kind of computer are you running; compared to your screen shots, Q3 on my computer looks like ass.

Of course, my computer IS ass! %-P

PII-233LX, 64MBRAM, Banshee (35 fps in fastest mode, 640x480)

Boogieman

Steve could just ban your IP if u went on spamming a message that he nuked. I dunno if he would nuke your post though.

I apologize #134.

But posting it doesn\'t justify anything.

Boogieman

I\'ve never really become worked up over cheaters, because they\'re probably just cheating to piss everyone else off, and a lot of people are giving them what they want. Maybe cheaters want acceptance from us all since a lot of us are (most likely) more skilled than they are.

Anyway, I couldn\'t care less if they were cheating or not, unless I was playing for money or a ranking of some kind. Hell, I don\'t really hate campers either; easy frags! :)

Proxy bot users are just a challenge to overcome, and that\'s about it, atleast as far as I am concerned. I fire up Quake 3 to frag, no matter who it is and whether or not they\'re cheating.

But, for the sake of everyone else, please nuke #120. I don\'t have a problem with it, but it seems everyone else hates cheaters (which is understandable). And I\'m sure that not everyone on here is an honest player... definately #120 isn\'t.

Boogieman

The framerate is hardly the issue here, Brutal.

I said it before and I\'ll say it again , the frame rates in those posted pics suck someone needs to upgrade the video card badly.

Where is the lagometer in the 3 screenshots ?

Keeping it secret? How is posting a story on it on his fucking webpage keeping it secret?
God.

#116, how about this. ive seen it and tested it on a public server. it\'s a simple hack just grabbing all the players in the PVS.

hey #106 i cheated on your mom, what does that make me?...

.. go back to wacking off, son.

#111 you have many valid points... but one thing gets me, iD taking the makers of these bots/etc. to court? As if that will ever happen, almost makes me wish I could program so I could make a bot and see what they would do.

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