Cheats and the Cheating Cheaters Who Use Them

Fucking hilarious... the pathetic rationalization attempts.

Please, cry more. It is apparent these people will imagine *any* excuse or reason to sustain their addiction.

Someone got it before you, and you suck? Can't fathom learning to play well? And then install cheats? Wow, what a fucking silver spooner little spineless prick thing to do. I was hoping that mentality was dying as the gaming population average got older and the skillset was more developed, but it's clear there's plenty of short-attention-span kiddos that want everything right NOW and are incapable of attaining anything for themselves.

And then have the audacity to think they are good at the game, and proceed to talk shit.

Here's to hoping Punkbuster for BF2 is ratcheted up SEVERAL notches!

So... people can't take not being the best because they're simply not the best and feel the need to cheat so they can be the best?

Lame.

Cheating is the reason I don't play MP games anymore. It just isn't worth the aggrevation.

while cheating is pathetic, evening the playing field is a valid argument for newbies and those with little time to play.

multiplayer games ought visible handicap (like in many console fighting games) options for those who can't derive any fun due to being continuously raped. allow an option to start with 150% health and signal out those who use it with an icon. if their performance is comparable to other players, remove the handicap.

Well, to throw in my own opinion...

I think cheaters in a game are hilarious. I don't at all condone the practice or consider the people cheating any higher than pond scum, but watching people cheat in some games and the reactions from other players is just downright funny to me. One of the best times I ever had playing CS was when a guy with the works (speed, auto aim, everything...) came on, decimated the whole other team, and then started accusing others of cheating. My friend and I would try to set him up and occasionally killed him. It's definately a juvenile humor that we got from it, but all you can do is make the best of the situation. Sure it'd be nice if nobody cheated, but occasionally it's totally worth coming across someone who is.

Then there's the whiners. People who just repeatedly cry "hacker!" are retarded in my book. It accomplishes nothing, and they all either look like a bunch of idiot captain obviouses is he is blatently cheating, or the guy is just really good they're just morons complaining because oftentimes they suck. Either way, whiners only feed the person in question's ego and annoy the shit out us who just don't care.

You know I've found this article truely enlightening. I am tired of other people making more money than me, driving better cars, and getting hotter girls. So I am going to start stealing and lieing to "even the playing field". I'm a modern day robin hood!

Not. Hahahaha. What losers.

My biggest problem with cheaters is that it kills the server. Some ahole comes in and starts blatantly cheating, everyone leaves.

"It's frustrating," says Duncan Ariey, whose cheating ways date back to 16-bit Game Genie hacks. "To lose consistently to people who got better than you by playing six to eight hours a day while you're at school or work-some people cheat just to even the playing field."
OMG, somebody call the WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAmbulance!

I thought I was some hot-shit Quake player back in the day, until I had a LAN party at my house and got my ass handed to me by Rake, Lobot, BadSector, Pure, StraT, Wargasm, and the rest of the crew.

If you lose, its because you are SUPPOSED TO LOSE, because you are... what is the term that you kids use today? Oh yeah, "teh suck". And that is just the way it is. If you want to get better, practice (local bots for practice were one of the best inventions ever - thank you ReaperBot). If you still lose, its because you are supposed to.

A good part of every patch I work on is to slap down the cheaters. I probably get a little too much out of doing this and reading about their frustrations later.

People cheat in online games because they know it's the only place where they can anonymously screw with other people and get away with it. In real life, people will key other people's cars and gain pleasure out of it. But while you can do more damage in real life, there's the chance of being caught and facing real consequences. Cheating in online games causes a different and lesser form of harm, so people justify it in their minds as the only way they can get their fix. They find ways to believe that dishonesty and ruining things for other people is okay. That somehow other people's time isn't as valuable, or that if you are anonymous, any kind of behavior is okay. Kind of like how when a small minority of people travel to another country, they'll start acting like jackasses because they have no reputation to harm.

The other part of it is that the harm isn't tangible. What's wasted is someone's time and enjoyment, rather than actual monetary damage. Kind of like how taggers reason that they're only defacing a wall with spraypaint, no person is physically harmed. It's like thinking that instead of keying someone's car, you merely smeared it with dog poop..that's all harmless fun, isn't it? When you can do it without having to face a judge or your real friends and family, the temptation for some people is too great.

Basically we have a segment of our population who are not hardcore enough to commit real vandalism, but perfectly fine with committing online vandalism under the veil of anonymoty. But both groups are really just different shades of each other, they're both jackasses.

Wow people seem pretty uptight about cheaters in games. Wishing someone death because they cheat in a computer game? That is pretty sad and shows just how far down things have slid. Jebus if anyone actually slights you people for something real and important.

Yes cheating sucks and it ruins the fun - but lets keep things in perspective here. Its not like they come to you house, rape your girl, kill your dog and chop your nuts off. Sheesh.

In Halo 2, if you play without cheating your opponents are usually very close to your skill level due to the way the ranking system works. So whoever says "I did it to compete with all the guys who practice 8 hours a day" is obviously full of crap, since they never got up to those player's level until they started cheating.

Of course, who'd expect a cheater to tell the truth during an interview? "Oh yeah my penis is about 1 inch long, so that's pretty much why I cheat."

I loved cheating in Tribes 1. There was a mod where you could buy force fields from the inventory stations. I would buy one. Scoot back, and watch as someone else ventured up to the inventory station.

Then, I would unsuspectingly place the force field behind him.

Pure Comedy gold as you wait for his response.

"Hey. WTF. I can't move."

I would try to help. I loved helping. Always carried a repair pack.

"You can't move," I"d ask.

"Yeah. Something seems stuck." He'd turn around. Notice he's in a force field wall.

"Hey. GD. Get me out of this thing." He'd try to shoot it, but his arms are also stuck.

"Hang on man. I gotcha." I'm so nice. So I'd pull out my machine gun. Shoot the force field just to were it had a tinge of life left.

"Awesome man. Thanks," The guy would say.

"Oh wait," Pulling out my repair pack, "let me try this thing real quick." I'd start repairing the force field.

"Hey you idiot! Stop that."

This would go on for a good ten minutes, or until the guy would quit.

/such an asshole
//doesn't do that kind of thing anymore.

Hey look, the fucktards have a club:

http://tkc-community.net/Main/

Other gamers give themselves an edge by using a mouse and/or keyboard with today's USB-friendly consoles, which increases accuracy and cuts response time—it can be an insurmountable advantage. But, as one anonymous cheater explains, "It's not illegal—it's just using the best equipment available. Anyone can do it."

This part I found humorous. Using a mouse with a console is cheating? I don't play console FPS so is that really how people see it? The article clearly labels him a cheater. Man, I could never play competitively with a gamepad.

"It's frustrating," says Duncan Ariey, whose cheating ways date back to 16-bit Game Genie hacks. "To lose consistently to people who got better than you by playing six to eight hours a day while you're at school or work-some people cheat just to even the playing field."


So, he's been cheating since the 16-bit consoles were out, and he "justifies" cheating by saying people are better online? Yeah, I remember how everyone was online with their Genesis and SNES (yes, I do know about the very limited Xband and whatever the Genesis one was called)

00kewk00 got a point - we don't have to waste our anger. What I just don't understand is, what's the fucking point of playing a game if you just want to get around certain rules? I just don't fucking understand.

I got one thing to say: If you suck, practice in single player.

I cheat fairly consistently...but never in online games.

There's plenty of times I just *don't* feel like playing "fair". If something is just taking too long, or I'm not in the mood for trying over and over to finish something, sure, I'll cheat.

But in online games? Fuck that. Most of the reason I (and others, I'd wager) play online games (aside from maybe MMOs) is for the competitive nature of such games, cheating would completely ruin the fun of that.

Although, admittedly, I have wished numerous times for a cheat to jump straight to level 20 with a new WoW char :(

Online cheating = cry for attention.

If you cheaters want attention, I'll gladly hug you.

Come here... I have hugs to go ALL around.

People who cant take losing when they start should GROW UP and stop being such pathetic losers. Everyone is shit when they start and it doesnt take long to get competative in public fps/rts games.

If you have no hand eye coordination maybe you should not be trying to play fps games int he first place.

oh wah, someone's practiced more than me/has better reflexes than me/is smarter than me

that's not fair!

filthy liberals

This is why I <3 Shackers. The majority consensus here is revolted by cheaters and hax, and would like to see them wiped off the face of the Earth.

You know what I do when I get frustrated like that? I load up Q3 / UT / UT2K4 with plenty of stupid bots to pummel around. Sometimes you need a challenge, and sometimes you need a stress toy.

IMO there are too many cheating pricks out there to justify online cheating in this manner. The pricks do it because they like making people miserable, or because they like hacking games. For those who need more experience, go start a botmatch, or bear with it. Sometimes I'll be a good samaritan though and handicap myself during a game if I can see that I'm doing very well and someone else is trying to learn the ropes, but keeps becoming the easiest target.

I remember in the old days of CS and TFC where I would get kicked/banned for "cheating" just because I acually knew how to play the game. Thats what pisses me off, is the people who think everyone that is better than them is cheating. I had to stop playing or be very picky about which servers I played on because of that.

Unless DICE/EA have been especially clever, ranked BF2 servers arent going to be any less of a cheater/exploiters paradise than a normal game.

Say you find an empty ranked server, and 3 of your clanmates hop on. Two go US, one goes the enemy. Now all the player on his own needs to do is repeatedly kill one US support soldier while his buddy plays as a medic and uses his paddles to revive him.

Mega kills, mega support and mega revives, all in a rediculously easy manner.

Works in most FPS's, but in BF2 you have persistant stats, so people who can be bothered doing this will benefit. There will be plenty doing it too if higher stats = bigger guns or just simply an epeen enlargement.

At least planetside has systems to help stop this kind of crap.

I admit it, I cheat, but never in a multi-player environment.

What always gets me is the online cheaters actually think this makes them better than everyone else.

"Ha Ha Ha, you suck, cuz I'm glitchin inside the tower so you cant hit me.."

lamers.

What about exploiting? Specifically using in game bugs to gain advantage in a mmorpg. Do all of you feel just as strongly about that? Would you wish me to be shot in the street for creatively finding a bug in an mmrpg, that did not directly affect you or anyone else, and using it to my advantage? IE item dupe, stat enhancement in a non-pvp setting, bugged mobs that allow accelerated leveling speeds.

"To lose consistently to people who got better than you by playing six to eight hours a day while you're at school or work-some people cheat just to even the playing field."

I don't buy that at all. Maybe cheating makes it fun for you to play against better players, but it ruins the game for everyone else. There are always servers or roles that you can play that are more friendly to newer players. There is no reasonable excuse to cheat, if you ask me. Games are designed with particular limitations on purpose, so if you don't like playing within the intended gameplay then find a different game instead of ruining it for people playing it legitimately.

That was why I liked BF1942, because there were no cheats that blatantly ruined the game, like the auto-headshots and speed cheats in CS. The only cheat that gave you a real benefit in that game was one that allowed you to see enemies on your map. I was fine with that because when they found me they still had to be able to kill me on their own. A good player could play normally and be fine even if his opponents cheated.

First post after a couple weeks of lurking, btw. Hi everyone.

i say we cut their bawls off

Am I the only one that thinks the people in this thread supporting and/or making excuses for cheaters should be banned from the Shack?

more than cheaters themselves, what really bothers me is the people who cry "cheat" everytime they lose

Cheaters are lame, and I can't stand cheating. but some of you guys are taking this to a new extreme and it's pretty funny.

common folks... I hate cheaters as much as the next guy but if they were banned from CS i'd be left playing all of 30 people total in the east coast

So what happens when you pick up a game on it's initial release day and get pounded by every player on a miriad of servers because you suck?

Oh I guess that means you REALLY suck and they haven't played a billion more hours than you.

Well, if you get upset because you're losing to people who play "six to eight hours a day while you're at home or work" then, instead of cheating, console yourself with the knowledge people with that much time to spend on games EVERY DAY are either kids with zero responsibility or social misfits.

If you need/want to cheat to "compete" with such losers then you are yourself an even bigger loser. Please. Go outside. Grab a life. Chicks really don't care that you got high score in Quake. Really. They don't.

Well play on n00b servers, for just new people, rather then making poor excuses, or suck up your pride and play rubbish for a while instead of having to have a chance at getting the bets score, a even playing field is where everyone has the same oppotunities to excel, accept it if your not good enougth to excel to first position. Cheating idiots....

I really hate how every time some article like this shows up they are so apologetic for the behavior of the "cheating community". The bottom line is that you are ruining something for somebody else and that makes you a jerk. They aren't just messing with the other players when they do this either. If something beomes wide spread enough that it ruins the fun for enough people, everyone stops playing and now you're sabotaging someones bussiness.