DOOM 3 Expansion Previews, Media

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  We didn't. ;P : eskimo spy
  • IAWTP : Sapiens
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  I know, have you even seen how Quake 1 ripped off Half-Life's rocket launcher?!?! : Dog-From-Duckhunt
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    Half-Life's rocket launcher had fucking laser guided rockets. That actually WAS innovative--as in, hadn'... : PenicillinX57
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      And Jedi Knight had picking up objects and throwing them at people for damage back in 1997. ;) : kungfusquirrel
      • But toilets? I mean, c'mon! :-P : Ride-My-Rocket
    • Quake had that too, there were also plenty of mods for Quake 1 containing "target seeking" rockets. Of c... : Dog-From-Duckhunt
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  Is it a crime to mention the game? I mean wtf. Everyone is always like "a certain something... MMMM HMMMM... : spl
  • Yes I know you mentioned HL2 later, but I didn't read that far due to ludicrous speed assassination. : spl
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  Even *if* it is a complete derivative of the HL2 grav gun, who cares? Seriously? Anyone? I can underst... : d fluke
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    I think most people that are upset by it are upset because id used to create the fps staples and now they... : SpiderMonkey
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      id created their physics system, Valve bought theirs. just saying. : eskimo spy
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        yeah, people can point out "rip-offs" and "unoriginality" like that in games all day, I still can't quite... : d fluke
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          Well to each his own I guess. If Valve hadn't thought it was worth trying to do something other than retr... : SpiderMonkey
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            uh, Doom was not the first of its kind. It was the gameplay and the environment that made it popular, not... : steelsamurai
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              Imo you are very wrong. It was the graphics that were the great enabler of the awesome atmosphere and it was the graphics that made everyone go 'holy shit'. I'm not denying the important role of the environments and gameplay, but gameplay, environments and graphics cannot ever be truly separated, imo.
              
              Not to mention that Wolfenstein had done bang-bang shooting and Ultima Underworld had done scary-as-shit environments before then.
              
              (I'm not a fan of Raph Koster's "the dressing is irrelevant" camp. You can't ever escape from the fact that a game experience is a feedback loop between you and the computer that involves not just the logic of the game, but the visual output and control input.) That's my token effort at stopping this turning into a whiny-argument sub-thread.

              Feb 25, 2005 8:07am PST
              Imo you are very wrong. It was the graphics that were the great enabler of the awesome atmosphere and it : SpiderMonkey
      • I'm confused as to how this is relevant to my post. I'm also confused as to how we can be talking about t... : SpiderMonkey
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        Valve uses Havoc. When did they buy Id's? : bozer
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          he's not saying they bought id's physics system, just that they bought an external one. : carnivore
          • ahhh yes,, I read that wrong. gotcha : bozer
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        That gave Valve more time to craft a detailed, well-lit environment, and a plot to fill it with. : Ride-My-Rocket
        • Detailed and very atmospheric for sure, great leveldesign.. but the plot *is* rather thin, however much I... : d fluke
      • And look at how crappy D3's was. Bodies dissappeared so you couldnt interact with them, half the objects... : bloodangel1977
      • Well, buying an external solution allows you to spend time and resources on actually using it. It is a tr... : Fred Garvin
  • I find it amusing, especially given id's track record of failure to innovate (obviously, this does not ap... : steelsamurai
• I dunno, it seems to work more like the second gravity gun that showed up in the Source engine tech previ... : SpiderMonkey
• no one owns a patent on letting the player make extensive use of the physics engine. I don't care about ... : the archvile
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  Ya, but Trespasser sucked. And from the trailer, it appears you can pull small enemies -- and toss them i : sYnZilch
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    *cough* You obviously have not played/finished Half-Life 2 *cough* : PenicillinX57
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      once you grab an enemy in HL2, they're dead. Maybe this will let you bounce them off the walls while the... : the archvile
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        I assumed he was talking about the manhacks and rollermines. And can you not launch them back into open s... : SpiderMonkey
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          they're basically weapons that Gordon can't use. You can't pick up organic material until late in the ga... : the archvile
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            er, spiders, not imps ("light enemies", they say). Though you can throw back an imp's fireballs; aside f... : the archvile
            • I can't say I'm too interested in discussing the fine details of the implementation, but someone did poin : SpiderMonkey
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              Well you can throw back the alt-fire of the combine machine gun. Which is pretty much the only weapon ak... : Crimsonbeak
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                Except, even on the hardest setting, I never saw the poor AI make such attempts with their secondary fire... : sYnZilch
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                  "most of HL2 was just a gimmick" Rofl, not getting enough attention at home? No need to be such an uber-t... : SpiderMonkey
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                    When in Rome. : sYnZilch
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                      That doesn't make any sense. Are you Ron Burgandy? : Crimsonbeak
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                        It does make sense and it's a good comeback. I'll save this one on my "good flamewar quotes" file. : rorshack
                        • Here's another. "you're so gay that my a$$ hurts" : ColonCowboy
                      • So does your face. : sYnZilch
                    • Haha, nice comeback. :) : SpiderMonkey
    • He's saying Trespasser, which predates HL2 but a long shot, had it first. : carnivore
    • *oh snap* I would like to subscribe to your logic. : sYnZilch
• I really don't understand why this bothers people so much. It's a fun weapon. Who cares where it came fro... : maru mari
• You know, just to upset people they should put HL2:s sound on it aswell. All the copyright issues blatant... : Lethal01
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  WHAT THE FUCK You say this: And yes I've heard the Carmack quotes about how they had this feature in D : personaljesus
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    Watch the trailer. I wouldn't have an issue with it if they had at least implemented it differently, but... : PenicillinX57
    • You are right. It is quite absurd. The important thing is: Which game demonstrated it to users first? ... : MrLonghair
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  I'd like to see that quote, never heard that before. Link please. : fuji-juice
  • Info is somewhere in this thread: http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?comments=34576 I'm too lazy to dig f... : PenicillinX57
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  Someone needs to tell these developers to start ripping ideas from Deus ex and system shock 2. I don't gi... : Popedispencer
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    Lol Doom3 did rip heavily from System Shock 2. Only it also left out all the awesome gameplay and enemy d : SpiderMonkey
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      Well, it surely looked like it got some inspiration from it, the pda stuff specially. : rorshack
      • Yeah, but the only thing you need it for is locker key numbers : Popedispencer
• Myabe it's payback for HL ripping off exploding barrels from Doom! : R.Cade
• Who the fuck cares? The gravity gun was the biggest gimmick anyways. Hated that gun and I will probably... : dilutedq
• We've been over this. Go back to Wolf3d to be original, or stfu. : BaBOon
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  Dude OMG Half Life 2 has a SHOTGUN!! Blatant ripoff of DOOM!!! : needles eye
  • http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=9607396 : SpiderMonkey
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    please, inventing a whole new weapon is not the same as representing a real life weapon in a game. think ... : Rapid 99
    • uhh ID invented the whole FPS genre. OMG Half Life 2 RIpPeD THeM OFF@!!!@!! : needles eye
• If the Grabber adds to the game, I don't care if it's a ripoff. : Terpfen
• Tim Willits said it had always "been in the game engine" not Carmack get your whining straight holmes. : dumptruck
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  http://hosted.zeh.com.br/misc/doom_halflife_ripoff.gif : rorshack
  • bahahahaha, thread over! : gyvoji
  • lol : personaljesus
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    You people are taking this WAY to personally. Let it go. Let. It. Go. : PenicillinX57
    • take yr own advice and stop projecting yourself onto Valve. ffs, even in the very unlikely event of someo... : eskimo spy
    • Ironic post of the day. Shit disturber compels people to stop throwing shit!! Bahaha : BaBOon
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      coming from you? : personaljesus
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        I made a 3 sentence post on a gaming forum. Why is everyone here so quick to judge? : PenicillinX57
        • because your post is about as fresh and original as someone posting how kb mouse is better then a gamepad... : armybob
        • yea, may be the reactions to your post are a bit excessive. Sorry about that. Now that I am drunk, I now ... : personaljesus
• TROLL MUCH? : X-GOUKI
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  using secondary fire for pick up and primary for shooting is pretty complex isn't it, i don't think anyon... : cam3lt0sis
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    that makes me curious. what other "firing" modes could a gravity gun have? : ermac
    • we better ask valve, as clearly they're at the forefront of innovation with gravity guns and alien invasi... : cam3lt0sis
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    Its a rip for crying out loud. If Valve made an expansion pack with a new weapon called the Spirit Ball a... : mc-fine
    • i'd hate to say it, but a cube that takes in 5 souls and instantly kills another monster while giving you... : cam3lt0sis
• And the shotgun or machine gun in HL2 didn't like just like shotguns/machine guns in other games so its a... : notext
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  Myabe they did but the physics in D3 are so bad they probably had to take it out. : astrofunk
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    They are bad? How and why? Just because they don't have physics puzzles on every corner that doesn't m... : rorshack
    • Try jumping on top of a box and then move around. Play around with the "witches hats" or any physicalised... : astrofunk