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Halo PC & No Co Op

by Maarten Goldstein, May 12, 2003 8:03am PDT

Related Topics – Halo: Combat Evolved, Halo: Combat Evolved, halo, Gearbox

GameSpy is offering the first Halo preview (and multiplayer preview here) and I could quote some stuff from it about the porting process and how there's improved multiplayer and all. Too bad there is this.."the only major feature from the Xbox version of Halo in danger of not making it to the PC is the cooperative mode", Gearbox says its a maybe.

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Halo was pretty to look at for about 5 minutes. Then you realized it was a fairly stupid, linear, simplistic game, no matter the graphics. Without Co-Op, this is a piece of trash, and I sure as hell am not going to buy some year-late console hand me down that's already junk compared to the stuff PC users can now expect. I hope Gearbox takes it up the cornhole for fucking up repeatedly.

May 12, 2003 12:30pm PDT

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- i must reply to myself because this post is just too true excuse me while i build a statue to myself, ... : phreakshow
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  This post was generally ignored 'cause it was ridiculous. Halo was an excellent game. : freshview
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    correct. Although it was amusing to see a troll be the only one to pathetically respond to his own troll... : johnny rotten
    - That isnt the definition of trolling, JR. And may I suggest you remove your nose from Halo's ass? It ap... : phreakshow

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gbxcontact@gearboxsoftware.com <-- Tell them to release Halo PC WITH cooperative mode! Don't strip it out!
I emailed them already and I suggest you do the same. I think Gearbox is good at listening to customers and they have my respect..... so far.....

May 12, 2003 5:09pm PDT

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    - Yeah, that would be nice... I'll still buy it, and have fun playing it, whether or not they include co-o... : scud

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Maybe not, but the game does support linking multiple consoles together, so it does have some networking built in. I don't know coding so I can't comment on how difficult it would be to convert same console co-op to different client co-op, but the bottom line is, excluding co-op from Halo PC will really hurt their sales, I'd guess by as much as 25% or more.

Halo is a great game, but I've already beaten it 4 times. With all the other titles coming out this year, the lack of co-op will make Halo slide just that much further down my list. Doom 3, Halo 2, STALKER, Half-Life 2, Deus Ex 2Ã¢Â€Â¦ My gaming budget is only so big. The main reason for someone like me to buy Halo PC is for the multiplayer, since IÃ¢Â€Â™ve beaten the SP several times, but without co-op, (I consider co-op to be MP) the game just isnÃ¢Â€Â™t that high priority, and if I wind up waiting till Halo PC is in the bargain bin (2 years later and Halo Xbox is still going for $40) then the initial MP surge that a game sees on release will have dwindled, so IÃ¢Â€Â™ll probably skip the game entirely. :P

May 12, 2003 1:07pm PDT

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The only reason Halo was cool in my mind was of COOP.

May 12, 2003 5:30pm PDT

The only reason Halo was cool in my mind was of COOP. : junkstyle

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By: the archvile x Show Full Post

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A tale of two devhouses:

Gearbox: post Opposing Force:
- announces CS: Condition Zero, and eventually hands off the contract to Ritual.
- announced as contractor for Halo PC port (over a year after it should've been released on the PC), and fails to realize the appeal of cooperative multplayer.

Ritual: post SIN
- stays very quiet until announced as new CS:CZ developer
- releases EF2 demo, and gets positive feedback

You can tell who's going to have a good year.

May 12, 2003 10:29am PDT

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  - hehe, oops. And that was the first thing on my mind when I was typing that post. : the archvile

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Sorry if repost, but it seems to me that Gearbox always finds something to screw up in a port of a good console game.

May 12, 2003 4:04pm PDT

Sorry if repost, but it seems to me that Gearbox always finds something to screw up in a port of a good c... : snagger

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Thought I'd ask, does anyone know if this is gonna support more than 16 players? Like maybe 32-64 players. It could be very cool with some good teamplay modes and lots of players and the vehicles.

May 12, 2003 3:48pm PDT

Thought I'd ask, does anyone know if this is gonna support more than 16 players? Like maybe 32-64 player... : Vorlonesque

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This is just me, but I can live with much better competitive multiplayer and a lack of CO-OP for now...maybe sometime down the road they will add CO-OP. CO-OP is very cool...but I have a feeling we'll see it added in a patch perhaps (and I mean if we're going to gripe about that, why not gripe about the fact that KB/Mouse isn't available in the XBox version for political/PR reasons...and I don't know about you but I'd much rather see something lost for real legitimate reasons than PR bullshit).

May 12, 2003 3:46pm PDT

This is just me, but I can live with much better competitive multiplayer and a lack of CO-OP for now...ma... : Vorlonesque

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This co-op stuff isnt as easy as you might think to implement.

There are many technical complications. See on the XBOX, Most of level was loaded into the same RAM, and people mostly stuck together, so it could read the same textures, the same geometry etc from RAM. And since You sere plugged into the same BOX it was very easy to coordinate enemy/player movements and actions.

If you rememeber, HALO did NOT include co-op over a LAN. It had co-op with only 1 Xbox (computer) involved. And creating internet co-op would be similar to implementing XBOX LAN co-op. So for all you people saying "its already in there! just port it!", just remember its never that simple.

May 12, 2003 12:45pm PDT

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I don't see what the huge deal is about possibly no co-op in Halo PC.

If you're going to play Halo co-op, do it with a buddy on the Xbox sitting on your couch. I personally have no desire to play co-op over the internet w/ lag, when I can play the *EXACT SAME* game on my Xbox with a buddy, smacking him when he screws up.

And it isn't just as easy as "porting over" the co-op. They redid the loading structure, and made their own netcode from scratch. Gearbox isn't lying to us by saying it'd take 3 coders a year to implement it properly... thats what they estimate it would take. They realize that co-op was a huge selling point for Halo Xbox, AND they know that it'll make all the jaded gamers at places like Shacknews upset. Fact is, though, that it'd take too much time to implement.

HaloPC is for either those hardcore gamers that can't get their fill of multiplayer Halo on Xbox, or for the entirely n00bish gamer that has yet to play through Halo.

Ignore me... I guess I'm a jaded reader of jaded-gamer Shacknews comments. *grumble*

May 12, 2003 1:51pm PDT

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People still care about this game? As far as I am concerned they can cram their port up their collective ass. For co-op I'll stick to Ghost Recon and Serious Sam.

May 12, 2003 8:20am PDT

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well there is one more reason to not buy halo for PC

May 12, 2003 12:34pm PDT

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- oh bullshit..you'll buy it. : Madwacker

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By: Karnov x Show Full Post

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Allow me to curse the Microsoft/Bungie deal for the millionth time.

Gearbox: If it really isn't possible to do internet play, just make it playable on a LAN. That's all I need.

May 12, 2003 10:53am PDT

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The single-player in Halo was such garbage, but it was still a blast to play co-op. Goes to show that almost anything can be fun when done in co-op. Even Daiktana was hilariously fun co-op!

May 12, 2003 1:40pm PDT

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- you have high standards! : jvox
- OMG I just had a terrifying Quake2 engine flashback. : Cygnus X-1

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I won't buy it if it doesn't have coop.

May 12, 2003 12:51pm PDT

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joe pc gamer is going to buy this regardless of co-op or not.
joe pc jaded shacknews gamer will whine about it in the forums then buy it anyways.

May 12, 2003 1:22pm PDT

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- joe pc gamer is going to buy this regardless of co-op or not. True. joe pc jaded shacknews gamer wi : johnny rotten

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Are there any existing co-op net games out there? I was trying to remember and really couldn't think of any games I could play co-op over the net. Maybe you could consider BF1942 since it uses bots so you could play with your friends against the computer which is basically what co-op is but it's far from an in-depth "single player" campaign played with friends.

May 12, 2003 1:27pm PDT

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Interesting. Co-op in Halo was pretty much a core feature and responsible for a lot of it's success.

May 12, 2003 11:01am PDT

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F -bungie. That is all.

May 12, 2003 11:20am PDT

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      right now, what I have against gearbox is that they're NOT PUTTING FUCKING COOP IN :-) : freshview
      
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I don't understand this. IT'S ALREADY IN THE GAME! Just port it!

If Halo PC doesn't have Co-Op then I won't buy it, simple as that.

May 12, 2003 9:50am PDT

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It's about time we get to use those fuel rod cannons. I remember the first I met one of those I died from it. When I respawned I killed the grunt who using it, I went over to pick it up, and the weapon self destructed and I died again.

Suffice to say I was very dissapointed I wasnt able to use it.

May 12, 2003 12:49pm PDT

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I don't care if it has co-op or not. I just can't wait to play on line with KB/Mouse and high resolution...

May 12, 2003 12:46pm PDT

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You have got to be kidding me. I've been waiting for how long now for Halo PC so I could play the coop? Gearbox can go to hell.

May 12, 2003 11:59am PDT

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I don't care if they have co-op and strippers, I'm not gonna reward Microsoft for putting this out a year late.

May 12, 2003 12:18pm PDT

I don't care if they have co-op and strippers, I'm not gonna reward Microsoft for putting this out a year... : Liquid

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WHAT

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FUCK....

Coop = best feature of Halo.

May 12, 2003 12:07pm PDT

WHAT THE FUCK.... Coop = best feature of Halo. : freshview

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sonofabitch!!! What would make that so hard to implement if you can do it on Xbox?!? I dont care if its only 2 players, I just want the same coop mode!

May 12, 2003 12:06pm PDT

sonofabitch!!! What would make that so hard to implement if you can do it on Xbox?!? I dont care if its ... : pigvomit

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No coop = just another cookie-cutter shooter, as far as I'm concerned. I was looking forward to this one just for some LAN action. I bet Microsoft put them up to the whole no-coop thing (possibly just to spite me?)...

May 12, 2003 11:50am PDT

No coop = just another cookie-cutter shooter, as far as I'm concerned. I was looking forward to this one ... : davew2040

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Its using Gamespy tech too ;(

May 12, 2003 10:41am PDT

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I care more about MP ('hogs with rockets, banshees and fuel rod cannons!) than online co-op. I'll be buying the game with or without co-op, but having it there would seriously add to the games life. Mmmm, warthog jumping over the net :D

May 12, 2003 10:40am PDT

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- Me too. That said, not having co-op when the original does WOULD be a disappointment. : johnny rotten

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According to Pitchford, they had to change the way the models are drawn, as that's one area where the Xbox is still a bit ahead of PC technology. "There [still] aren't many video cards that can do what the Xbox does," said Pitchford, referring to the way Microsoft's black box renders and animates models.

Uhhh. WTF are they talking about!?

May 12, 2003 11:25am PDT

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What is the big F'in deal about being able to put the SP co-op into MP games? Pretty much it hasn't been done well since q1

May 12, 2003 8:42am PDT

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We need Steve's official word on Halo PC.... did that project get scrapped for Half Life 2 coverage?

I thought he was on some elite insider tour or something... :(

Please Steve, tell us that Co-op is all good, and a green light for release!

May 12, 2003 10:44am PDT

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what a kick in the nuts! co-op might be the best way to play that game.

May 12, 2003 8:08am PDT

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Coop? Bah, i want to kill humans not help them!

hehe

May 12, 2003 10:27am PDT

Coop? Bah, i want to kill humans not help them! hehe : gamegoof

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Hey Steve/Maaateen! Whens you're Halo article going up?

May 12, 2003 10:06am PDT

Hey Steve/Maaateen! Whens you're Halo article going up? : johnny rotten

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The features of HALO for the PC are just an academic argument for me. I have the XBOX version and I just don't know if I (or anybody) needs a PC AND an XBOX version of the same game. That's why I haven't bought Tides of War... because I already spent $50 on the RTCW PC game, downloaded the patches/levels, had a LAN Party, etc. I bought both Unreal Tourney 2003 and Chanpionship - they are both cool - but I no longer think I need to spen $100 dollars on a franchised game just to get every last level and model they came up with.

May 12, 2003 9:27am PDT

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so PC users wait years to get the port and get less than what the xbox owners got. heh.

May 12, 2003 8:07am PDT

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1 year late = you missed the boat bungie. Plenty of other games many other people will prefer keeping their money for.

May 12, 2003 8:40am PDT

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That's unforgivable... everyone waited an eternity for the port, so they won't mind waiting a few more months for co-op.

May 12, 2003 8:27am PDT

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