AMD Cuts Prices

by Maarten Goldstein, May 30, 2002 11:18am PDT

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By: artillery x Show Full Post

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must...wait...until...Doom3...is...released...to...upgrade...

May 30, 2002 11:20am PDT

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  Doom III is still a ways out, so if you upgraded now, your system would probably still be due for an ove... : JGene
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    Why do you say that? Reportedly even a GF2 can play Doom 3 at a low res, I don't see that "any machine" ... : artillery
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      yea...then you can tell your buddies you run Doom 3 at 640x480 and they will laugh at you. : sanchez-
      
      Yeah but then he can use the money difference to buy a really nice gun and tell them to shut the fuck up... : Magitek
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      Why the hell would you want to run D3 at a low res? You might as well run it in Picmip 5, with Fullb... : highlow
      
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      Why would anyone play a console game? Thank you for making my point. : anonimo
      
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      Hmm, running D3 at 320x* Is not nothing like experiencing a console game. WTF are you going on about... : highlow
      
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      well.. i think he meant that tv resolution is really low. most tv's have 300-500 lines of resolution...... : shackstore.com
      
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      i think those ppl who would like to play it, yet don't have the $ to go all out on an upgrade would rath... : shackstore.com
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  Dude $500 isn't alot of money for a CPU/Motherboard/RAM upgrade. Doom III will require atleast a powerh... : MarksmanX
  - $500 is a TON of money!!! I'd like to have some funds later in life when I'm going to retire. :) : artillery

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Too little too late}r btw, instead of me picking up say an Athlon XP for 75$ US (1800+) because that would be excellent value, AMD made far less $ off me - a Duron 1000 for 35$ US because they took too long to drop prices.

They could have sold me an Athlon XP 1800+ if it was .13 micron however for their rip off 95$ price but they decided to milk the OEM's rather than the retailers with the .13's early to them (They've apparently been making the .13's in SOME form since AUGUST LAST YEAR) but only now will they go full on manufacturing them. (and in fact they still haven't OFFICIALLY released the .13's)

I like AMD's pricing vs intels (normally) but lately intel are coming back quite strong now, and value for money isn't all pointing AMD anymore.

As an overclocker, and a person who HATES cpu's over 45c - this whole bullshit .18 micron AMD stuff just has to go and should have months ago, AMD's latest CPU - the 2100+ basically REQUIRES a 7200 rpm fan to operate at a safe temperature - that's just bullshit.

If you can't release it within safe / decent specs then accept the fact you can't do it - and don't release it (seriously some people with coolers which would be AMPLE for an intel cpu are getting 60+c on their AMD cpu's)

I want to get back to liking these guys but right now they are like the cool girl you want to plow who has just managed to annoy you in all the right ways lately and you just wanna ignore the bitch and plow someone else.

May 30, 2002 5:03pm PDT

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Too little too late}r btw, instead of me picking up say an Athlon XP for 75$ US (1800+) because that woul : abrasion
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  not much time... but i wanted to clear up a few points. the 2100+ athlon doesnt require anywhere near t... : shackstore.com
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    As a tech I don't like over 45c for myself - if it works or not is debatable. The .13 move for the en... : abrasion
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      That's just utter BS. "As a tech" you should know better. Your arbitrary assessment of a maximum tempera... : booyaka
      
      Anything over 45c is unpleasant, I've seen one working @ 48 - 51 etc - but I don't LIKE components being... : abrasion
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  1) boo-fucking hoo that AMD didn't drop prices exactly when you needed a new cpu and you had to pay a li... : EYES+GOGGLES=NOTHING
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    If you have a 39c 2100+ without a 7200 rpm fan and living in some kind of artic region at full load, the... : abrasion
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      actually it's pretty common.. they run that temp on the stock hs/fan which is pretty small. somewhere b... : shackstore.com
      
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      I get more than that with a 1700+ and a Volcano7 >:( that said, it can get quite warm in here, it's col... : Toraz Chryx
      
      yeah, it varies a lot of ways... room temp, case temp, heatsink compound, contact of HS to the die of th... : shackstore.com

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I'll tell ya, if I was in the market for a new processor, I'd steer clear of AMD simply due to their silly naming convention.

I don't care if the number represents 'what it'd really be if it were a P4' or whatever rationale they use.

Tell me the real speed and not some pumped-up psuedonym.

May 30, 2002 2:09pm PDT

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I'll tell ya, if I was in the market for a new processor, I'd steer clear of AMD simply due to their sill... : *TerraFORM
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Does anyone know if this new XP 2200+ is the first (finally!) release of the Thoroughbred? This damn well better not be another Palomino. (How hot is this chip going to run? 62o when idle?)

May 30, 2002 1:11pm PDT

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Does anyone know if this new XP 2200+ is the first (finally!) release of the Thoroughbred? This damn wel : anonimo
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the shareholders are going to be pissed losses for the next 3 quarters

May 30, 2002 11:42am PDT

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  Im a happy amd shareholder. But I may pick up Intel too to hedge my bets :) Both are great companies... : handofthrawn
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    how can you be a happy amd shareholder? Have you been watching their charts over the last 9-12 months? ... : johnny rotten
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      i'm a very happy amd stockholder. i bought originally at 12, they went to 75 and split... now they're ~... : shackstore.com
      
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      I hope you sold at 80 (where they split) because otherwise you're only at $22 (split adjusted) which is.... : johnny rotten
      
      i sold half when they split, then bought back when they were at 10 recently. : shackstore.com
      
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      as long as the hammer turns out to be everything it seems to be, i expect it to skyrocket like when the : johnny rotten
      
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      intel is STILL "paper launching" the p4's and have now started paper launching rambus memory. the tech ... : shackstore.com
      
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      Allocation of P4's is no where near the level it was with the P3. In fact its really not a problem at a... : johnny rotten
      
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      ummmmmmmm... where's that p4 2.533 in quanity at? because if some1 has it in quantity i'm missing somet... : shackstore.com
      
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      Surely you're not equating the (true or false) difficulties of purchasing a 2.533 ghz P4 (which was rele... : johnny rotten
      
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      no, not at all. i'm just saying that there are STILL issues. when you announce a chip, you better have... : shackstore.com
      
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      Oh, they're selling... to Dell. : anonimo
      
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      that's a given! same ppl who are taking all the gf4go's for their laptops %$&@#$%($%$^*)@#$ : shackstore.com
      
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      They can keep the GF4Go, I'd rather have the Radeon Mobility 7500. Things could be worse... back in t... : anonimo
      
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      i think they're still doing that, actually. they're just dumping the leftovers that dell, etc aren't bu... : shackstore.com
      
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      Every other release of the P4 (at least since the Northwood finally started shipping) has been in volume... : anonimo
      
      wellllll.. i think they're gonna squeeze the 2.66 out on the current revision actually.. considering the... : shackstore.com

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The thing no one brings up is the P6 architecture. Remember when it was completely worthless except under windows NT, and except when running Quake? Yeah, I remember those days. The MMX (P54C was it?) was clock-for-clock better at everything, except FPU intensive apps. The P6 evolved into the P2/P3/Celerons, and it matured and became usable. We saw the same thing happen with the P4's release, it dominated at Quake 3 (FPU intensive), sucked at everything else in comparison to a P3 at a lower speed, but since it allows for crazy scaling and architectural improvements come along quickly (northwood anyone?), I can't say it's something we haven't seen before. I think the last time a CPU was flat-out better in the x86 camp was the 486->P5 jump, and that was a LONG time ago.

The northwood update was as significance as PPro going to the P2, and it came *much* faster. Thanks AMD :)

May 30, 2002 3:41pm PDT

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The thing no one brings up is the P6 architecture. Remember when it was completely worthless except under... : Stasis
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Even with a geforce4 I bet Doom3 wouldn't run all that well. Definitely not the photorealism with good framerate. With a 2+gighz and a next generation video card you should be fine though. Remember, ID has to sell their product to the "older" 1-2 gighz people when it comes out. But any geforce3 will struggle Im sure.

May 30, 2002 2:36pm PDT

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Even with a geforce4 I bet Doom3 wouldn't run all that well. Definitely not the photorealism with good f... : handofthrawn
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  GL quake, monster3d Voodoo1, p2-300, 640x480, 16bit color... that didnt run any better than like 30fps .... : shackstore.com
  - But back then, we weren't so spoiled. Back then, 640*480 was only something we'd enjoyed in Duke Nukem : anonimo
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    i ran gl quake on a p120 w/ a voodoo2! : Morgin
    - (wait...voodoo1...i got the voodoo2 later on for quake 2 but it ran like shit on my p120) : Morgin

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can a 2.26 gigahertz p4 overclocked with the same manufacture fan beat out the 2100xp

May 30, 2002 11:37am PDT

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can a 2.26 gigahertz p4 overclocked with the same manufacture fan beat out the 2100xp : Rageaholic
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  The 2.4GHz P4 (at least on the 533MHz FSB) beats out the 2100+ XP on about half the benchmarks out there : anonimo
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    lots of guys are getting 2.6-2.9 with air cooling : goatsecxy
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      Where do you get that info? I'm going by www.overclockers.com , which in itself I'm sure is somewhat ex : anonimo
      
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      yeah, it's gonna take the next stepping to get the p4 to 3ghz (which is their target for q4 i believe)..... : shackstore.com
      
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      no way. They'll get to 3.0ghz on .13u. :) : johnny rotten
      
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      nononono.. i meant the next stepping (internal revision), not die shrink. amd and intel are always maki... : shackstore.com
      
      ahh. Yeah that will undoubtedly be true. I imagine there will be a couple of steppings between now and... : johnny rotten

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I hope they keep slashing prices until they just slash each
other to death then we just go looking through the bloody pile
of bodies looking for CPU's.

Thanks

May 30, 2002 11:45am PDT

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were they not losing money before, i think the only way they can make money is if economies of scale works with them

May 30, 2002 11:34am PDT

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were they not losing money before, i think the only way they can make money is if economies of scale work... : Rageaholic
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- Well some of it may be preparing price points for upcoming future chips. So in other words soon they mig... : drodver
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  I heard the chip itself only costs about $3-$5 to make but its the R&D obviously. So economies of scale... : handofthrawn
  - actually, it costs MUCH more than that to make a cpu. figure on $35-50 each (silicon, machinery, organic... : shackstore.com

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My ABIT BH-6 with Giga-Celery still owns.

May 30, 2002 2:11pm PDT

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- I thought I was the only one still with a BH6 box OCed way past specs. The CPU Fan power connectors have... : dorker

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I think its sad that Intel has to clock a P4 up to 2.4 ghz just to beat AMD's 2100 @ 1.8(?)ghz. And on top of that Intel needs a 533mhz bus against AMD's 266mhz, and then it only beats them in half the benchmarks.

May 30, 2002 1:40pm PDT

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I think its sad that Intel has to clock a P4 up to 2.4 ghz just to beat AMD's 2100 @ 1.8(?)ghz. And on t... : norulez
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i have a slot a 700, but for some reason i still want an intel processor, these price cuts from both companies just make we want to but the intel, maybe because of all the problems i've had in the past

May 30, 2002 12:03pm PDT

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i have a slot a 700, but for some reason i still want an intel processor, these price cuts from both comp... : Rageaholic
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- Intel isn't a bad company. It's just with AMD you have to have good parts to really enjoy it their proce... : MarksmanX

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Funny because prices are even cheaper than this retail/OEM already.

May 30, 2002 11:57am PDT

Funny because prices are even cheaper than this retail/OEM already. : indeego

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Now I can *FINALLY* ditch my P2-400!
I am a poor Canadian!

The XP 2100+ looks good to me now. Hmm.

POOP

May 30, 2002 11:51am PDT

Now I can *FINALLY* ditch my P2-400! I am a poor Canadian! The XP 2100+ looks good to me now. Hmm. ... : fart

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The old Athlon 800 is seeming slower and slower.

May 30, 2002 11:26am PDT

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The old Athlon 800 is seeming slower and slower. : drodver
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  Indeed. :-( But I will upgrade my video card first! : freshview
  - Yep, that usually will get the most bang for your buck. : drodver
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pirst fost!

May 30, 2002 11:19am PDT

pirst fost! : khaosman

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