German Shooting Controversy
by Maarten Goldstein, Apr 28, 2002 9:05am PDTHere we go again..the German school shooting of last week is being connected with video games. Games are evil and should be banned is pretty much what they are saying again. The game of choice for shooter Robert Steinhauser? Counter-Strike. Thanks Lamar.
In a sign that the bloodbath may feature in the campaign for national elections this year, Edmund Stoiber, conservative challenger to Schroeder, said violent games should be banned. According to Der Spiegel news magazine, Steinhauser spent much of his time playing violent computer video games. His favourite was called "Counterstrike" in which anti-terror units wearing masks battle each other to death.So that's two paragraphs on games, while a bad relationship with his parents gets a quote..
A former classmate, Isabell Hartung, told Reuters that Steinhauser was intelligent and well-liked by his peers. But she said he often fought with teachers and had "bad relations with his parents."
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like i said before: there's some correlation there. just banning everyting isn't going to help, but something's up and we better find out what to do about it.
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but because it wasn't columbine in the united states, the majority of the posts are funny ones about CS - wallhacking - aimbots, cs patches and general stuff
gg guys! gg uncle sam!
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Fucking TK'ers.
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http://www.halltech.com.au/seven/crossfire.gif
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Things wrong with that way of thinking:
1)T-shirt quote: "Guns don't kill people, I kill people." A gun is just a tool. It is incapable of being evil, or carrying out its own desires for death and destruction.
2)Enacting laws are very effective at controlling law abiding citizens, but not at controlling criminals. A person like this is going to get guns one way or another, legally or illegally.
3)There will always be a source for his guns no matter what laws are enacted. Look at drugs: there's still plenty to go around, despite all our efforts to the contrary.
Banning guns is not a solution. As a mattter of fact, there is no solution at all. There always has been and always will be bad, evil, and crazy people in this world. Not only that, this isn't even that big of a problem. It is an EXTREMELY rare occurence. I'm not saying we should ignore it, all I'm saying is that if there's no solution, there's no problem. It simply IS.
And don't belive all them people saying that infact they is decide games have no connection to real violence, they are so being payed off by teh developers.
LOL, the fact that they would mention the games before his social probalems, and whats more talk about them in somewhat more detail really shows there is a serious problem here. Why don't they want to face the truth and blame games, well its easy, and they can feel better about themself because the parents can just say, oh its nothing to do with me no no no, its all games, they made our nice little friendly boy a crazed killer!
It was a Peter Jennings dealie too. At that point I left the room "If they can't tell what game is on the screen--they shouldn't be reporting news to people" I figured
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What do masks have to do with anything?
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1:10,000 is better odds than the average chance of having a child with some deficiency or retardation of one sort or another.
In other words, gee just maybe HE HAD SOME FUCKING ISSUES and it didn't have anything to do with a game he played.
Man I'd love to be the judge in the next lawsuit attempted against game companies; I'd award massive damages to the game companies and sentence the prosecution to suck my dick.
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http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3
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After all u dont repeat school years because u are so fucking leet in school.
Only thing I learned from this is that it seems to be alot easier to legally carry guns in Germany than I always thaught and I live here. I used to think that they are basically banned...
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What is the common denominator of every criminal? At some point, they have watched something violent on TV or in a videogame or wherever. That must of course be the reason, as anything else can't be (NOT).
Also, even if indeed it should turn out that he was influenced by violent games/videos/newscasts etc., then I still wouldn't want there to be more censorship in Germany (as if that were possible :)) as this would make this POS country even more restricted.
I'd rather live in a country where the odds are 1 in 100,000,000 that I'd get shot on any given day than in a hopeless police state. Censorship zealots should just move to Iraq or something (as that is on tv currently :)).
CPL Europe is holding a CS and Q3 tourney in June in Berlin. I wonder if this will affect it.
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Historically religion has been responsible for millions of deaths, perhaps we should ban that.
But they type of person it was....
Gun Owner... There is your fucking problem.
Only STUPID people own guns. You may think its your patriotic duty. No. Just stupidity.
Also, lack of confidence in yourself.
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all this since a important politician here anounced, that he wants to prohibit shooter games;
so every hour u can find some more big newspapers with fresh news about the topic....
its terrible....
and now, some gamers start to send spamm-mails to these newspapers, which is not the right way i think, to answer those articles
im really keen on how this goes on over the next days....
we'll c....
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(I still didn't forgive them for calling the Rudas satanists, so I'm very interested in what they have to say about this case)
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Take a messed up person, put a spoon in front of him... try to be REAL nice... well...
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Zu den in der Wohnung gefundenen Videos und Computerspielen sagte Polizeichef Grube, dass die Filme Action-Streifen mit "intensiver Gewaltdarstellung" waren. Zu den Computerspielen sagt er lediglich, dass sie frei käuflich seien und ebenfalls zum Teil sehr gewalttätige Inhalte hätten. Konkrete Namen der Spiele nannte er nicht. Bekannte von Robert Steinhäuser hatten mehrfach berichtet, der 19-jährige sei geradezu süchtig nach gewalttätigen Spielen gewesen, die zum Teil auch Amokläufe in Bürogebäuden nachstellen.
Where are they getting Counter-strike specifically from?
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